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Hunter
on September 30, 2013 at 10:06 am
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Hey Yareally, got two long FRs in mod in the last two posts. Just another quick heads up. Appreciate the help!

Finally getting shittested. Yay. If they continue to not show up, I might just break up them into smaller posts so that they get published immediately.


  • YaReally
    on September 30, 2013 at 11:07 am
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    All good lol Keepin an eye out for em.


    • Crazy Heart
      on September 30, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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      When you were in A3 but haven’t seen the girl for a week, should you go back to A1, then A2 real quick then go to A3 and into comfort? Or should you just go right through A3 then comfort. Also in comfort how much A1, 2, and 3 do you have to keep in comfort, or do you stop it all and try to get through comfort as fast as possible.

      I’m trying full-on MM with a girl for the first time in probably 3 years, because I want to make her my girlfriend for a long time, not just a fuck buddy. She’s a 9 I would say. How long should I stay in comfort with her. Should I go for the full 6 hours, or can I get her into seduction in say 2 or 3 hours if I move her around longer? What say you or anyone else for that matter.


      • Crazy Heart
        on September 30, 2013 at 4:49 pm
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        What I meant was, can I get out of comfort faster if I move her around to venue changes more. Also the crux of the last part of the question is, is it better or worse to get sexual with her faster, or should I keep in comfort as long as 7 hours or whatever the max is in order to get her more emotionally bonded to me.

        Also, how far would you go with the core identity sharing with something like this in the connection stage of comfort (I think, if I remember it correctly).

        Would really apprecitate the help. Not trying to be an ass haha.


        • YaReally
          on October 1, 2013 at 1:44 am
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          @Crazy Heart

          Not sure if trolling, but for the sake of other guys wondering the same questions. Also as a warning: this is going to get tech-heavy lol Mystery Method is rock-fucking-solid, but it’s intricate. For someone like Scray who’s gaming more off his general vibe/charisma/dominance than a technical step by step process, this isn’t worth reading. But for someone who’s studying Mystery Method and is approaching game on a more technical level, this might help clear some shit up. MM is very logical and consisten when applied correctly and it’s what I started out by learning, back in the day:

          1) “When you were in A3 but haven’t seen the girl for a week, should you go back to A1, then A2 real quick then go to A3 and into comfort?”

          Yep. You’re basically starting over cold when you meet up with her again.

          A lot of guys think “we made out in the bar, so I can just assume she’s in that same state when we meet up again!” and are surprised when she’s way more reserved than she was in that moment. The good news is you don’t have to spend as much time, just blast through them with some quick fun shit. I like to plan my Day 2 out to involve a totally non-sexual environment (like a brightly lit sports bar or pub etc. which usually have shitty awkward seating where you’re stuck across the table from her or in shitty separate chairs) and a nearby more sexual environment (dark swank lounge with booths to cuddle up in etc.). Ideally the first venue is a bit loud and hard to talk in. I’ll run through Attraction in there, keeping things light and joking around and spiking her buying temperature for a couple drinks, then say “This place is too fucking loud, let’s hit this lounge up the street so we can talk and I can actually get to know you.” and take her to the second venue (teasing/flirting all the way there, some kino around her lower back as we leave the first venue, arm in arm as we walk toward the second venue, etc.) so that in the second venue we can get a quiet booth and go into Comfort.

          I’m assuming this isn’t a date and you’re just going to be bumping into her, but the concept is the same. Ideally you want to save Comfort for when you have a bit of isolation and the mood is chiller. Like say you meet up with her and a group of her friends at a bar at 9pm. Trying to do Comfort at 9pm is kind of silly, she just got there and she has all sorts of socializing and shit she wants to do first, and that her friends want her to do. So for the first part of the night, blast through to A3 quickly and stick to that.

          Later in the night, like around 11-midnight, when her friends are off being drunk and retarded, and she’s pooped from dancing or whatever, you can move into Comfort. Ideally you can isolate her to a booth or corner or different floor/room of the venue for Comfort where her friends won’t barge in and fuck the vibe/mood up.

          2) Or should you just go right through A3 then comfort?

          Don’t think too much about the difference between A1 – A3 with her, she likes you if you were in A3 once already, so you’re not starting totally cold like the initial approach where the difference between them is more important. The more important thing now is to stick to Attraction in general (cocky/funny, teasing, push/pull, roleplaying, innuendo, future-projection, etc.) and have the mindset of “assuming attraction”. And just look for a good opportunity to transition into Comfort. Stuff like isolate her from her friends to a quiet part of the bar or a booth, or a different floor/room, or if you all walk somewhere like to get food or to a vehicle to get to the bar, lag behind with her and walk together, etc. You basically need some uninterrupted time with her. You can build Comfort in little bits throughout the night, but it’s not as efficient/powerful as being able to go through Comfort all at once.

          3) Also in comfort how much A1, 2, and 3 do you have to keep in comfort, or do you stop it all?

          “Never go backwards in a pickup” (starting over when you re-meet up is different, but once you’re interacting, don’t go backwards). You might find that in comfort she tries to go back to teasing and playing hard-to-get etc. (aka Attraction). If she does, you do a takeaway, instead of following her backwards back to Attraction. This is where calibration and the “art” side of things comes in though, because depending on your vibe it might be congruent to you to throw in some cocky/funny and teasing etc. in Comfort. The idea is basically that you’re taking the vibe down in energy from Attraction into a slower-paced bonding vibe where you guys share personal stuff. So if she’s like “ya I haven’t really been dating since my dad died, it was pretty devastating :( “, you don’t want to be like “oh, then you can call me Daddy when we bang later lolololz” lol

          So even if you do throw in a little teasing and push/pull, in Comfort it’s done with the purpose of still moving things forward or bringing them back to Comfort. So the difference might look something like this:

          Her: (shares intimate detail about how her last boyfriend dumped her)
          You: (tease her about how it was clearly because she’s a starfish in bed)
          Her: (“OMG you asshole!!”)

          If you just leave it hanging there, you’ll end up in a fight. Or if you stay joking around there, you’ll be stuck back in Attraction. So you lead it back into Comfort like:

          You: “lol no but seriously, I think people need a certain chemistry together for the sex to be good. And a lot of people are great together outside of the bedroom, but aren’t always compatible inside. I always look for chemistry with a girl (staring her down with deep eye-contact) because both parts of a relationship are important to me. I was dating this girl a while back and–” bla bla bla

          Like you dip back into Attraction for a sec, but pull it back into Comfort so you don’t end up going backwards in the pickup.

          4) try to get through comfort as fast as possible?

          lol. Take your time with Comfort. You should be ENJOYING building Comfort with her. This is where the bulk of your 7 hours is spent. A1-A2 can happen in under a minute, you can be in A3 in under 5 minutes. C1 (comfort in the venue) tends to be more like 30min – 2hrs depending on where you’re hanging out and how much time you can get together. C2 (comfort elsewhere from the venue) tends to be like another 2-4 hours, C3 (comfort in the sex location) can be another hour or two. So the majority of your time is going to be spent in Comfort.

          The problem with how AFC/beta guys approach seduction is that they skip Attraction and try to go right to Comfort off the opener. “What do you do? Where do you live? Do you want to go out sometime?” They skip the Attraction stage where you’re giving her a rollercoaster of fun emotions. This is why girls don’t care that my shoes are dirty or that I have a bit of a beer belly, because I keep their emotions going too crazy during Attraction for them to even slow down and notice and take me all in…all they know is that a source of masculine energy is shaking up their world all of a sudden. So when I head into Comfort, she’s already attracted to me in general and if she notices that stuff at that point, she’ll forgive it or rationalize it away. Whereas a beta guy will skip Attraction and try to build Comfort right away, so the girl is forced to judge him based on his appearance to decide whether she wants to share her personal shit and be in Comfort with him, so she looks at his shoes, watch, 6-pack, etc. because he didn’t give her anything more powerful to judge him on.

          Anyway, so enjoy Comfort. If you’re meeting up in a bar, shoot for 30min to an hour of comfort at the bar, mid-way to late in the night. If there’s an afterparty, go to that and build C2 and C3 there…or try to get her to come for food after the bar with you (“let’s just grab a slice of pizza, you have to try the pizza at this place, it’s awesome”) and build C2 there and then push for heading back to your place to build C3 and head into Seduction.

          If you can’t get her alone at the end of the night or away from the group etc. (like she HAS to go home with her friends), pitch a Day 2 and get her number for the purposes of time-bridging to the Day 2 (ie – the number is to arrange details of meeting up for drinks that week, VS getting a number just to txt about how her weekend was and talk about gay shit that doesn’t progress things forward lol), then build C2 and C3 on the Day 2.

          5) I’m trying full-on MM with a girl for the first time in probably 3 years, because I want to make her my girlfriend for a long time, not just a fuck buddy.

          MM is the way to do that. Pickup can be streamlined into something where you bang the girl in an hour, and that CAN be turned into a GF or long-term FB situation, but there’s a lot more dice-rolling involved and you have to do a LOT of catch-up work after the bang. MM was designed to build a rock-solid connection with a girl, where she looks at you like you’re the most amazing thing she’s ever experienced in her life and she feels like you know her SOUL lol Ya, 7 hours is slow compared to a lot of what’s taught these days, but if you use MM proper, that 7 hours makes things incredibly solid/deep connection-wise, to where girls feel like they’re falling in love with you before you even bang eachother.

          6) She’s a 9 I would say.

          If you got to A3 with her already, you don’t need Negs, so don’t use them. Teasing/busting is okay, but not flat-out Negs. Those are for when the girl won’t give you anything but a bitch-shield (aka A1). If you legit had A3 already, even if she’s an 11/10 in hotness, you don’t need any Negs. Stick to Attraction and transitioning to Comfort.

          6) How long should I stay in comfort with her?

          Answered above. Expect this to be the majority. Try to have fun with it and enjoy learning about her and getting her to open up and trust you. Most chicks are pretty cool and normal people with normal insecurities and hopes and dreams and it’s fun to learn about them. This is why we have games like The Cube and Strawberry Fields and stuff, where they take a solid half hour and involve cold-reading a ton of insightful stuff about her personality. We don’t cram that into A1 because it’s meant to be brought out in more of a slower-paced part of the pickup.

          7) Should I go for the full 6 hours, or can I get her into seduction in say 2 or 3 hours if I move her around longer?

          Moving her around helps a lot, and you can get her into Seduction in a couple hours, BUT the connection won’t be as solid as if you build up more Comfort. Think of it like building a bridge…you can build one quickly by just throwing down some poles and laying a board over them, and it’s possible to cross it, but it’s not going to be as solid as if you take some extra time and re-enforce the poles and add extra ropes and cement and shit to solidify everything.

          You sound a little one-itisy, so I’m gonna recommend taking the slow route because it’ll help chill you out if you go into the meet-up thinking “I’m NOT going to bang her in an hour, I have 7 hours to kill, so fuck it, let’s just relax and enjoy it” VS “I gotta nail this out as soon as possible like some of those other pickup guys do!!!” Personally all I care about is that the guy gets the lay…whether he does it in an hour, or 7 hours, or he fucks it up for 2 months but turns it around like a boss in the 3rd month and bangs it out, that all deserves props to me. It all comes down to solid game and adapting to the situation.

          8) the crux of the last part of the question is, is it better or worse to get sexual with her faster?

          The key rule is this: Don’t go past a light rom-com PG-rated 5 second kiss on the lips (no tongue) until you have (or believe you can create) a clear path through the logistics to isolation with her and being able to escalate to actual sex.

          So if you meet at a bar, and she LOVES you but she has an early flight in the morning or has to drive her half-consciously-drunk friend home, or you don’t have enough time to build enough Comfort to make her comfortable going home with you (you learn to guage this from field experience), or her cockblock friend doesn’t approve of you, then stick to a light romantic little kiss at the most, and save the heavier escalating for the Day 2.

          If you meet at a bar, and her friend is hooking up with some dude, and she lives near you and her friends like you and don’t want to cockblock, or you can ditch her friends and isolate her and tell her to just txt them that she went home, etc. then it’s safe to escalate to hardcore making out and foreplay on the dance-floor etc. and escalate fast. This is a lot more chaotic/random and you may find that like, she’ll leave the bar with you but you’ll have to pull back and build some Comfort going for pizza before she’ll actually come home with you. Or you might find the opposite, that if you slow down at all (or take her into a brightly lit pizza place), the horny attracted vibe she had wears off and she clams up and it gets awkward and you never hear from her again lol. This again comes down to field experience and calibrating to the vibe you guys have.

          Two things to keep in mind with escalating quickly: 1) In general you’re probably going to get more LMR, and it’s going to be harder to disarm and you’re going to end up having to do shit like Riker’s 3 Rules and, if absolutely necessary, a Mystery style “lights on, no touching” freezeout…but if you play things a little slower and build a lot of Comfort, you won’t get much, if any, LMR. Things happen a lot more fluid/natural because she’s totally comfortable being with you and trusts you, whereas on a quick seduction she doesn’t really get to know you so a lot of last-minute “oh shit he doesn’t even know my name” stuff can flood in and produce LMR.

          And 2) If you DO get the lay quickly and bust through that LMR and all that shit, spend some time after sex cuddling with her, let her stay the night and grab breakfast with her in the morning, etc. Basically do your Comfort building AFTER the bang…VS kicking her out at 4am or playing “aloof” and calling her a cab as soon as you wake up etc. If you skip Comfort, she can feel slutty because she slept with you without you even knowing eachother well, and she can end up with Buyer’s Remorse which can translate into either not seeing her again because she feels too bad about putting out, or her being extra prudish and trying to make you take her on a REAL date that she won’t put out on so you know she’s not a slut, or, in the worst-case scenario, a false rape accusation.

          I escalate pretty fast, so I end up doing a lot of cuddling after, even if I don’t really like the girl, just to make sure she feels good about what we did and doesn’t get Buyer’s Remorse. Also I’m a big homo who actually likes cuddling so it’s fun to me lol

          9) should I keep in comfort as long as 7 hours or whatever the max is in order to get her more emotionally bonded to me.

          The longer you’re in Comfort, the more she’ll be emotionally bonded to you. But if you spend too long in Comfort without escalating to Seduction, she’ll start to think you’re not interested, or too chicken to make a move, or get frustrated with you in general, or start to see you as friend-zone material, etc.

          That’s another mistake AFC/beta guys make. The open with Comfort, skipping Attraction, then try to stay in Comfort forever because they’re too chicken-shit to risk transitioning into Seduction because they don’t want to fuck it up (scarcity mentality, one-itis, outcome-dependence, etc.) and they end up friend zoned and seem asexual to the girl, who probably would’ve banged them if they had built Attraction before they tried for Comfort, and made sure to escalate to actual Seduction from Comfort instead of being happy drifting around aimlessly in Comfort till some asshole like me comes along and fucks her.

          Again this is all part of the “art” of pickup…guaging how fast you can/should move. It comes from Field Experience. So even if you fuck it up with this girl, you’ll at least learn some calibration for future girls.

          10) Also, how far would you go with the core identity sharing with something like this in the connection stage of comfort?

          The more you open up, the more she’ll open up. Ideally you should work on yourself to a point where you’re comfortable sharing yourself fully with the people around you. The main reason we don’t share ourselves is that we’re afraid of judgement. The more you share of yourself and show her that you won’t judge her, the more she’ll share of herself, the deeper your connection will be.

          “Would really apprecitate the help. Not trying to be an ass haha.”

          No prob, good luck! Don’t stress yourself out over it. Go in assuming she’s into you, and expecting to do a solid 4+ hours of Comfort building and maybe a Day 2. Play solid/smart, not to break speed records. Enjoy the experience, so that even if you don’t get her you at least had fun and gathered reference experiences for future girls you meet that are just as awesome as her.



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Hunter
on September 30, 2013 at 10:06 am
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Hey Yareally, got two long FRs in mod in the last two posts. Just another quick heads up. Appreciate the help!

Finally getting shittested. Yay. If they continue to not show up, I might just break up them into smaller posts so that they get published immediately.


  • YaReally
    on September 30, 2013 at 11:07 am
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    All good lol Keepin an eye out for em.


    • YaReally
      on October 1, 2013 at 1:44 am
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      @Crazy Heart

      Not sure if trolling, but for the sake of other guys wondering the same questions. Also as a warning: this is going to get tech-heavy lol Mystery Method is rock-fucking-solid, but it’s intricate. For someone like Scray who’s gaming more off his general vibe/charisma/dominance than a technical step by step process, this isn’t worth reading. But for someone who’s studying Mystery Method and is approaching game on a more technical level, this might help clear some shit up. MM is very logical and consisten when applied correctly and it’s what I started out by learning, back in the day:

      1) “When you were in A3 but haven’t seen the girl for a week, should you go back to A1, then A2 real quick then go to A3 and into comfort?”

      Yep. You’re basically starting over cold when you meet up with her again.

      A lot of guys think “we made out in the bar, so I can just assume she’s in that same state when we meet up again!” and are surprised when she’s way more reserved than she was in that moment. The good news is you don’t have to spend as much time, just blast through them with some quick fun shit. I like to plan my Day 2 out to involve a totally non-sexual environment (like a brightly lit sports bar or pub etc. which usually have shitty awkward seating where you’re stuck across the table from her or in shitty separate chairs) and a nearby more sexual environment (dark swank lounge with booths to cuddle up in etc.). Ideally the first venue is a bit loud and hard to talk in. I’ll run through Attraction in there, keeping things light and joking around and spiking her buying temperature for a couple drinks, then say “This place is too fucking loud, let’s hit this lounge up the street so we can talk and I can actually get to know you.” and take her to the second venue (teasing/flirting all the way there, some kino around her lower back as we leave the first venue, arm in arm as we walk toward the second venue, etc.) so that in the second venue we can get a quiet booth and go into Comfort.

      I’m assuming this isn’t a date and you’re just going to be bumping into her, but the concept is the same. Ideally you want to save Comfort for when you have a bit of isolation and the mood is chiller. Like say you meet up with her and a group of her friends at a bar at 9pm. Trying to do Comfort at 9pm is kind of silly, she just got there and she has all sorts of socializing and shit she wants to do first, and that her friends want her to do. So for the first part of the night, blast through to A3 quickly and stick to that.

      Later in the night, like around 11-midnight, when her friends are off being drunk and retarded, and she’s pooped from dancing or whatever, you can move into Comfort. Ideally you can isolate her to a booth or corner or different floor/room of the venue for Comfort where her friends won’t barge in and fuck the vibe/mood up.

      2) Or should you just go right through A3 then comfort?

      Don’t think too much about the difference between A1 – A3 with her, she likes you if you were in A3 once already, so you’re not starting totally cold like the initial approach where the difference between them is more important. The more important thing now is to stick to Attraction in general (cocky/funny, teasing, push/pull, roleplaying, innuendo, future-projection, etc.) and have the mindset of “assuming attraction”. And just look for a good opportunity to transition into Comfort. Stuff like isolate her from her friends to a quiet part of the bar or a booth, or a different floor/room, or if you all walk somewhere like to get food or to a vehicle to get to the bar, lag behind with her and walk together, etc. You basically need some uninterrupted time with her. You can build Comfort in little bits throughout the night, but it’s not as efficient/powerful as being able to go through Comfort all at once.

      3) Also in comfort how much A1, 2, and 3 do you have to keep in comfort, or do you stop it all?

      “Never go backwards in a pickup” (starting over when you re-meet up is different, but once you’re interacting, don’t go backwards). You might find that in comfort she tries to go back to teasing and playing hard-to-get etc. (aka Attraction). If she does, you do a takeaway, instead of following her backwards back to Attraction. This is where calibration and the “art” side of things comes in though, because depending on your vibe it might be congruent to you to throw in some cocky/funny and teasing etc. in Comfort. The idea is basically that you’re taking the vibe down in energy from Attraction into a slower-paced bonding vibe where you guys share personal stuff. So if she’s like “ya I haven’t really been dating since my dad died, it was pretty devastating :(“, you don’t want to be like “oh, then you can call me Daddy when we bang later lolololz” lol

      So even if you do throw in a little teasing and push/pull, in Comfort it’s done with the purpose of still moving things forward or bringing them back to Comfort. So the difference might look something like this:

      Her: (shares intimate detail about how her last boyfriend dumped her)
      You: (tease her about how it was clearly because she’s a starfish in bed)
      Her: (“OMG you asshole!!”)

      If you just leave it hanging there, you’ll end up in a fight. Or if you stay joking around there, you’ll be stuck back in Attraction. So you lead it back into Comfort like:

      You: “lol no but seriously, I think people need a certain chemistry together for the sex to be good. And a lot of people are great together outside of the bedroom, but aren’t always compatible inside. I always look for chemistry with a girl (staring her down with deep eye-contact) because both parts of a relationship are important to me. I was dating this girl a while back and–” bla bla bla

      Like you dip back into Attraction for a sec, but pull it back into Comfort so you don’t end up going backwards in the pickup.

      4) try to get through comfort as fast as possible?

      lol. Take your time with Comfort. You should be ENJOYING building Comfort with her. This is where the bulk of your 7 hours is spent. A1-A2 can happen in under a minute, you can be in A3 in under 5 minutes. C1 (comfort in the venue) tends to be more like 30min – 2hrs depending on where you’re hanging out and how much time you can get together. C2 (comfort elsewhere from the venue) tends to be like another 2-4 hours, C3 (comfort in the sex location) can be another hour or two. So the majority of your time is going to be spent in Comfort.

      The problem with how AFC/beta guys approach seduction is that they skip Attraction and try to go right to Comfort off the opener. “What do you do? Where do you live? Do you want to go out sometime?” They skip the Attraction stage where you’re giving her a rollercoaster of fun emotions. This is why girls don’t care that my shoes are dirty or that I have a bit of a beer belly, because I keep their emotions going too crazy during Attraction for them to even slow down and notice and take me all in…all they know is that a source of masculine energy is shaking up their world all of a sudden. So when I head into Comfort, she’s already attracted to me in general and if she notices that stuff at that point, she’ll forgive it or rationalize it away. Whereas a beta guy will skip Attraction and try to build Comfort right away, so the girl is forced to judge him based on his appearance to decide whether she wants to share her personal shit and be in Comfort with him, so she looks at his shoes, watch, 6-pack, etc. because he didn’t give her anything more powerful to judge him on.

      Anyway, so enjoy Comfort. If you’re meeting up in a bar, shoot for 30min to an hour of comfort at the bar, mid-way to late in the night. If there’s an afterparty, go to that and build C2 and C3 there…or try to get her to come for food after the bar with you (“let’s just grab a slice of pizza, you have to try the pizza at this place, it’s awesome”) and build C2 there and then push for heading back to your place to build C3 and head into Seduction.

      If you can’t get her alone at the end of the night or away from the group etc. (like she HAS to go home with her friends), pitch a Day 2 and get her number for the purposes of time-bridging to the Day 2 (ie – the number is to arrange details of meeting up for drinks that week, VS getting a number just to txt about how her weekend was and talk about gay shit that doesn’t progress things forward lol), then build C2 and C3 on the Day 2.

      5) I’m trying full-on MM with a girl for the first time in probably 3 years, because I want to make her my girlfriend for a long time, not just a fuck buddy.

      MM is the way to do that. Pickup can be streamlined into something where you bang the girl in an hour, and that CAN be turned into a GF or long-term FB situation, but there’s a lot more dice-rolling involved and you have to do a LOT of catch-up work after the bang. MM was designed to build a rock-solid connection with a girl, where she looks at you like you’re the most amazing thing she’s ever experienced in her life and she feels like you know her SOUL lol Ya, 7 hours is slow compared to a lot of what’s taught these days, but if you use MM proper, that 7 hours makes things incredibly solid/deep connection-wise, to where girls feel like they’re falling in love with you before you even bang eachother.

      6) She’s a 9 I would say.

      If you got to A3 with her already, you don’t need Negs, so don’t use them. Teasing/busting is okay, but not flat-out Negs. Those are for when the girl won’t give you anything but a bitch-shield (aka A1). If you legit had A3 already, even if she’s an 11/10 in hotness, you don’t need any Negs. Stick to Attraction and transitioning to Comfort.

      6) How long should I stay in comfort with her?

      Answered above. Expect this to be the majority. Try to have fun with it and enjoy learning about her and getting her to open up and trust you. Most chicks are pretty cool and normal people with normal insecurities and hopes and dreams and it’s fun to learn about them. This is why we have games like The Cube and Strawberry Fields and stuff, where they take a solid half hour and involve cold-reading a ton of insightful stuff about her personality. We don’t cram that into A1 because it’s meant to be brought out in more of a slower-paced part of the pickup.

      7) Should I go for the full 6 hours, or can I get her into seduction in say 2 or 3 hours if I move her around longer?

      Moving her around helps a lot, and you can get her into Seduction in a couple hours, BUT the connection won’t be as solid as if you build up more Comfort. Think of it like building a bridge…you can build one quickly by just throwing down some poles and laying a board over them, and it’s possible to cross it, but it’s not going to be as solid as if you take some extra time and re-enforce the poles and add extra ropes and cement and shit to solidify everything.

      You sound a little one-itisy, so I’m gonna recommend taking the slow route because it’ll help chill you out if you go into the meet-up thinking “I’m NOT going to bang her in an hour, I have 7 hours to kill, so fuck it, let’s just relax and enjoy it” VS “I gotta nail this out as soon as possible like some of those other pickup guys do!!!” Personally all I care about is that the guy gets the lay…whether he does it in an hour, or 7 hours, or he fucks it up for 2 months but turns it around like a boss in the 3rd month and bangs it out, that all deserves props to me. It all comes down to solid game and adapting to the situation.

      8) the crux of the last part of the question is, is it better or worse to get sexual with her faster?

      The key rule is this: Don’t go past a light rom-com PG-rated 5 second kiss on the lips (no tongue) until you have (or believe you can create) a clear path through the logistics to isolation with her and being able to escalate to actual sex.

      So if you meet at a bar, and she LOVES you but she has an early flight in the morning or has to drive her half-consciously-drunk friend home, or you don’t have enough time to build enough Comfort to make her comfortable going home with you (you learn to guage this from field experience), or her cockblock friend doesn’t approve of you, then stick to a light romantic little kiss at the most, and save the heavier escalating for the Day 2.

      If you meet at a bar, and her friend is hooking up with some dude, and she lives near you and her friends like you and don’t want to cockblock, or you can ditch her friends and isolate her and tell her to just txt them that she went home, etc. then it’s safe to escalate to hardcore making out and foreplay on the dance-floor etc. and escalate fast. This is a lot more chaotic/random and you may find that like, she’ll leave the bar with you but you’ll have to pull back and build some Comfort going for pizza before she’ll actually come home with you. Or you might find the opposite, that if you slow down at all (or take her into a brightly lit pizza place), the horny attracted vibe she had wears off and she clams up and it gets awkward and you never hear from her again lol. This again comes down to field experience and calibrating to the vibe you guys have.

      Two things to keep in mind with escalating quickly: 1) In general you’re probably going to get more LMR, and it’s going to be harder to disarm and you’re going to end up having to do shit like Riker’s 3 Rules and, if absolutely necessary, a Mystery style “lights on, no touching” freezeout…but if you play things a little slower and build a lot of Comfort, you won’t get much, if any, LMR. Things happen a lot more fluid/natural because she’s totally comfortable being with you and trusts you, whereas on a quick seduction she doesn’t really get to know you so a lot of last-minute “oh shit he doesn’t even know my name” stuff can flood in and produce LMR.

      And 2) If you DO get the lay quickly and bust through that LMR and all that shit, spend some time after sex cuddling with her, let her stay the night and grab breakfast with her in the morning, etc. Basically do your Comfort building AFTER the bang…VS kicking her out at 4am or playing “aloof” and calling her a cab as soon as you wake up etc. If you skip Comfort, she can feel slutty because she slept with you without you even knowing eachother well, and she can end up with Buyer’s Remorse which can translate into either not seeing her again because she feels too bad about putting out, or her being extra prudish and trying to make you take her on a REAL date that she won’t put out on so you know she’s not a slut, or, in the worst-case scenario, a false rape accusation.

      I escalate pretty fast, so I end up doing a lot of cuddling after, even if I don’t really like the girl, just to make sure she feels good about what we did and doesn’t get Buyer’s Remorse. Also I’m a big homo who actually likes cuddling so it’s fun to me lol

      9) should I keep in comfort as long as 7 hours or whatever the max is in order to get her more emotionally bonded to me.

      The longer you’re in Comfort, the more she’ll be emotionally bonded to you. But if you spend too long in Comfort without escalating to Seduction, she’ll start to think you’re not interested, or too chicken to make a move, or get frustrated with you in general, or start to see you as friend-zone material, etc.

      That’s another mistake AFC/beta guys make. The open with Comfort, skipping Attraction, then try to stay in Comfort forever because they’re too chicken-shit to risk transitioning into Seduction because they don’t want to fuck it up (scarcity mentality, one-itis, outcome-dependence, etc.) and they end up friend zoned and seem asexual to the girl, who probably would’ve banged them if they had built Attraction before they tried for Comfort, and made sure to escalate to actual Seduction from Comfort instead of being happy drifting around aimlessly in Comfort till some asshole like me comes along and fucks her.

      Again this is all part of the “art” of pickup…guaging how fast you can/should move. It comes from Field Experience. So even if you fuck it up with this girl, you’ll at least learn some calibration for future girls.

      10) Also, how far would you go with the core identity sharing with something like this in the connection stage of comfort?

      The more you open up, the more she’ll open up. Ideally you should work on yourself to a point where you’re comfortable sharing yourself fully with the people around you. The main reason we don’t share ourselves is that we’re afraid of judgement. The more you share of yourself and show her that you won’t judge her, the more she’ll share of herself, the deeper your connection will be.

      “Would really apprecitate the help. Not trying to be an ass haha.”

      No prob, good luck! Don’t stress yourself out over it. Go in assuming she’s into you, and expecting to do a solid 4+ hours of Comfort building and maybe a Day 2. Play solid/smart, not to break speed records. Enjoy the experience, so that even if you don’t get her you at least had fun and gathered reference experiences for future girls you meet that are just as awesome as her.



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Male employment is at a record low. I don’t foresee all that many beta provider to leech from in the future. The average male can live on $10-12k a year comfortably, less than that if he wants a roommate or two.


  • burke
    on September 30, 2013 at 2:11 am
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    a point i enjoy making to the white-guilt-swpl-ladies crowd when they’re talking about food miles and respecting my protein, is that the males of the world need a tshirt and jeans, maybe shoes. the vast consumerist wasteland is just to please the females. so shut up while i watch this plastic milk jug melt on the campfire, woman.


    • YaReally
      on September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
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      I went thru a minimalist phase a few years into pickup where I reduced all the clutter and general materialist nonsense in my life. There was a point where I had *10* pairs of jeans. What dude needs *10* pairs of jeans?? lol I don’t even know how many shirts I had…at least 20, probably 30 or so.

      So I donated like 90% of my clothes (somewhere out there are some homeless people wearing stylish $300 clubbing jeans etc lol) and basically shifted my focus more toward chasing experiences rather than material goods. Cancelled my TV cable, stopped buying new videogame consoles, etc and just went outside or focused on hobbies or socialized instead. I got to the point where all my belongings basically could fit into two suitcases. I even lived without a permanent residence for a while, sleeping on friend’s couches living out of a suitcase.

      This was about 4 years into my pickup journey so I had the means to DO other things because my hobby was meeting new people and going out…if I hadn’t been developing my social skills, I wouldn’t have had much alternative to vegging out in front of the TV and escaping into Warcraft. So the timing all worked out nice.

      Right now I own 3 plain single-colored non-peacocky shirts (one dress shirt, two t-shirts), one pair of jeans, and 2 pairs of shoes (white clubby sneakers, and a pair of those cheap dressy shoes with rubber sneaker soles and no laces from the store at the mall for the clubs that require black shoes) and I’ve been going out in basically the same outfit for like 3 years.

      This is why I say none of the material shit about how expensive your watch is or that you’re wearing the right name-brand etc matters to girls. All they care about are the emotions you make them feel. That’s not me regurgitating RSD brainwashing, that’s “I’ve been out gaming girls (and had LTRs) wearing the same shirt every weekend for years” personal experience.

      My job doesn’t pay much, but I also don’t need much to live and be happy. If I was planning to have kids, I’d focus on my finances more to ensure they had a solid childhood, but I would have them work to pay their own way thru college because working for shit builds character and self-reliance, and teaches you important things about appreciating what you get.

      I think marriage and the traditional family life was great for motivating guys to drag themselves to a slow cubicle death sucking the boss’ dick every day tossing aside their hopes and dreams to provide for their family, and that was a respectable and appreciated thing…now marriage is a joke and the guys living that life just seem foolish. And now red pill men have an opportunity to pursue entrepreneurship and chase their dreams, and surprise surprise a lot of guys are just happy day to day making a nice tidy little living off their hobbies they enjoy instead of chasing the newest expensive watch to impress “the ladies”.

      Meanwhile most of the girls I know have zero savings. They blow their paychecks on material shit. A girl told me she went on a $3000 shopping spree the other week. She burned $3000 at the mall on fucking purses and shoes and makeup and shit lol cause she’s hot and she knows that even tho she’s doing the feminist-approved career-woman thing now, she’s going to end up finding a man who will provide for her so she doesn’t need savings.

      If I ever fall on extremely hard times financially, I have a fuckton of friends via my socializing who’s lives I bring value to that wouldn’t hesitate to help me out if I needed it…because instead of buying a new pair of $300 shoes, I used that $300 to hop a flight to visit them and have fun together and bond.

      And if things get real bad, there’s always the option of marrying a rich chick with no pre-nup and pulling the divorce card to cash in…it works for women and there are going to be a LOT of lonely 30+yo rich career-chicks out there looking for a husband ;) lol



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Male employment is at a record low. I don’t foresee all that many beta provider to leech from in the future. The average male can live on $10-12k a year comfortably, less than that if he wants a roommate or two.


  • burke
    on September 30, 2013 at 2:11 am
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    a point i enjoy making to the white-guilt-swpl-ladies crowd when they’re talking about food miles and respecting my protein, is that the males of the world need a tshirt and jeans, maybe shoes. the vast consumerist wasteland is just to please the females. so shut up while i watch this plastic milk jug melt on the campfire, woman.


    • YaReally
      on September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
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      I went thru a minimalist phase a few years into pickup where I reduced all the clutter and general materialist nonsense in my life. There was a point where I had *10* pairs of jeans. What dude needs *10* pairs of jeans?? lol I don’t even know how many shirts I had…at least 20, probably 30 or so.

      So I donated like 90% of my clothes (somewhere out there are some homeless people wearing stylish $300 clubbing jeans etc lol) and basically shifted my focus more toward chasing experiences rather than material goods. Cancelled my TV cable, stopped buying new videogame consoles, etc and just went outside or focused on hobbies or socialized instead. I got to the point where all my belongings basically could fit into two suitcases. I even lived without a permanent residence for a while, sleeping on friend’s couches living out of a suitcase.

      This was about 4 years into my pickup journey so I had the means to DO other things because my hobby was meeting new people and going out…if I hadn’t been developing my social skills, I wouldn’t have had much alternative to vegging out in front of the TV and escaping into Warcraft. So the timing all worked out nice.

      Right now I own 3 plain single-colored non-peacocky shirts (one dress shirt, two t-shirts), one pair of jeans, and 2 pairs of shoes (white clubby sneakers, and a pair of those cheap dressy shoes with rubber sneaker soles and no laces from the store at the mall for the clubs that require black shoes) and I’ve been going out in basically the same outfit for like 3 years.

      This is why I say none of the material shit about how expensive your watch is or that you’re wearing the right name-brand etc matters to girls. All they care about are the emotions you make them feel. That’s not me regurgitating RSD brainwashing, that’s “I’ve been out gaming girls (and had LTRs) wearing the same shirt every weekend for years” personal experience.

      My job doesn’t pay much, but I also don’t need much to live and be happy. If I was planning to have kids, I’d focus on my finances more to ensure they had a solid childhood, but I would have them work to pay their own way thru college because working for shit builds character and self-reliance, and teaches you important things about appreciating what you get.

      I think marriage and the traditional family life was great for motivating guys to drag themselves to a slow cubicle death sucking the boss’ dick every day tossing aside their hopes and dreams to provide for their family, and that was a respectable and appreciated thing…now marriage is a joke and the guys living that life just seem foolish. And now red pill men have an opportunity to pursue entrepreneurship and chase their dreams, and surprise surprise a lot of guys are just happy day to day making a nice tidy little living off their hobbies they enjoy instead of chasing the newest expensive watch to impress “the ladies”.

      Meanwhile most of the girls I know have zero savings. They blow their paychecks on material shit. A girl told me she went on a $3000 shopping spree the other week. She burned $3000 at the mall on fucking purses and shoes and makeup and shit lol cause she’s hot and she knows that even tho she’s doing the feminist-approved career-woman thing now, she’s going to end up finding a man who will provide for her so she doesn’t need savings.

      If I ever fall on extremely hard times financially, I have a fuckton of friends via my socializing who’s lives I bring value to that wouldn’t hesitate to help me out if I needed it…because instead of buying a new pair of $300 shoes, I used that $300 to hop a flight to visit them and have fun together and bond.

      And if things get real bad, there’s always the option of marrying a rich chick with no pre-nup and pulling the divorce card to cash in…it works for women and there are going to be a LOT of lonely 30+yo rich career-chicks out there looking for a husband ;) lol



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That tweet with the guy who caught his GF cheating on him can’t be a real video. All the eBadasses, high-horse moralists, and anti-gamers have told me repeatedly that if a guy catches you sleeping with his girl he’ll find you and shoot you dead or beat you up instantly, no questions asked and no hesitation.



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That tweet with the guy who caught his GF cheating on him can’t be a real video. All the eBadasses, high-horse moralists, and anti-gamers have told me repeatedly that if a guy catches you sleeping with his girl he’ll find you and shoot you dead or beat you up instantly, no questions asked and no hesitation.



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Here’s a good Q for ya’ll:

So….how do you kno if things a girl says, such as ‘I’ve never done X, felt X, etc. before’ are true?

Clearly some girls must lie about this. But at the same time, there’s a first time for everything.

I ask b/c my behavior is becoming increasingly assholish and narcissistic — like, the more I get these girls to do for me, the more I want them to do….just cause — but, it’s seeming to work on every level. Some of the sex has just been insane…..to the point where I can’t even look at these people the same way lol how can you? It’s like living another life.

So anyway, there’s been a surge of comments like those recently and I was wondering ‘well how the fuck do I kno if these bishes are telling the truff?’


  • YaReally
    on September 27, 2013 at 10:16 am
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    “So….how do you kno if things a girl says, such as ‘I’ve never done X, felt X, etc. before’ are true?”

    Best you can do is create an extremely non-judgemental environment for her to admit shit to you. If you really want to play with fire and disillusion yourself (lol), tell girls you think it’s HOT when they act slutty and that you LIKE hearing about shit they’ve done with other guys, and act like that’s some kind of voyeuristic/cuckoldy turn-on. I used to do that now and then when I had a feeling a girl wasn’t on the level about her history and man, the Pandora’s Box of fucked up shit THAT one opens lol

    Girls pretty much only lie about their sexual history/desires when they fear judgement. Girls LOVE to talk about themselves and LOVE sharing secrets and shit. They’d LOVE to tell you all sorts of shit that they’ve done or want to do, but they don’t want to be judged for it.

    So a girl will tell basically two types of people the truth about her sex life:

    1) Someone who she knows won’t judge her (her BFF who acts as her wingwoman when she’s out cheating on her man and/or cheats herself etc. and won’t judge her, her gay friend who sucks a bunch of dick himself and won’t judge her, a highly non-judgemental sexual guy who she feels comfortable admitting shit to, etc.). Her non-BFF friends, co-workers, family, 99.999% of the guys she dates, her husband, etc. are all people she usually feels will judge her, so to them she’s a perfect angel. This is why when you go on those postsecret sites where people admit shit anonymously, girls will admit super fucked up disturbing shit…there’s no judgement when they’re anonymous.

    Keep in mind that she may also judge/shame HERSELF, especially if she’s in a logical headspace, like being in a brightly lit science lab filling out a survey on her sexual history where she’ll bullshit a bunch of stuff and/or have actually rewritten her history via her hamster in her head. But put a girl in a situ where she’s a couple drinks in, horny, and in private with a kinky/freaky sexual guy she trusts won’t judge her or will enjoy her stories as you both share your stories together, and she’ll tell you all sorts of shit.

    2) Someone who’s judgement she doesn’t give a shit about. This can mean either she’s interacting with someone so low-value to her that she doesn’t give a shit what he/she thinks, or it can mean that she’s so confident and legitimately doesn’t care what other people think of her (ie – the thing we strive for in doing pickup) that she’s an open book.

    Also most guys are shit in bed. Girls don’t come back to me for my millions of dollars and 6-pack abs and chisled jaw and ferrari. They come back because I’m a good fuck lol So I hear stuff like “omg I’ve never cum like that before” etc. all the time, and I quiz them a bit on what guys they’ve fucked have been like in bed because the stories are usually funny in a shake-my-head way. Maybe they’re all just brilliant actresses improvising stories on the fly, but when you go out a lot you tend to get a sense for when people are bullshitting you.

    Anyway, enjoy it and take it all as a compliment. You’re hitting them on emotional levels that most guys don’t know how to tap into, and if you’ve done your homework on how to fuck, you’re going to end up with a lot of girls falling for you. Pretty much every girl I bang falls in love ASAP, that’s part of why I follow all the rules on keeping them at arm’s length.



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on September 26, 2013 at 2:58 pm
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Here’s a good Q for ya’ll:

So….how do you kno if things a girl says, such as ‘I’ve never done X, felt X, etc. before’ are true?

Clearly some girls must lie about this. But at the same time, there’s a first time for everything.

I ask b/c my behavior is becoming increasingly assholish and narcissistic — like, the more I get these girls to do for me, the more I want them to do….just cause — but, it’s seeming to work on every level. Some of the sex has just been insane…..to the point where I can’t even look at these people the same way lol how can you? It’s like living another life.

So anyway, there’s been a surge of comments like those recently and I was wondering ‘well how the fuck do I kno if these bishes are telling the truff?’


  • YaReally
    on September 27, 2013 at 10:16 am
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    “So….how do you kno if things a girl says, such as ‘I’ve never done X, felt X, etc. before’ are true?”

    Best you can do is create an extremely non-judgemental environment for her to admit shit to you. If you really want to play with fire and disillusion yourself (lol), tell girls you think it’s HOT when they act slutty and that you LIKE hearing about shit they’ve done with other guys, and act like that’s some kind of voyeuristic/cuckoldy turn-on. I used to do that now and then when I had a feeling a girl wasn’t on the level about her history and man, the Pandora’s Box of fucked up shit THAT one opens lol

    Girls pretty much only lie about their sexual history/desires when they fear judgement. Girls LOVE to talk about themselves and LOVE sharing secrets and shit. They’d LOVE to tell you all sorts of shit that they’ve done or want to do, but they don’t want to be judged for it.

    So a girl will tell basically two types of people the truth about her sex life:

    1) Someone who she knows won’t judge her (her BFF who acts as her wingwoman when she’s out cheating on her man and/or cheats herself etc. and won’t judge her, her gay friend who sucks a bunch of dick himself and won’t judge her, a highly non-judgemental sexual guy who she feels comfortable admitting shit to, etc.). Her non-BFF friends, co-workers, family, 99.999% of the guys she dates, her husband, etc. are all people she usually feels will judge her, so to them she’s a perfect angel. This is why when you go on those postsecret sites where people admit shit anonymously, girls will admit super fucked up disturbing shit…there’s no judgement when they’re anonymous.

    Keep in mind that she may also judge/shame HERSELF, especially if she’s in a logical headspace, like being in a brightly lit science lab filling out a survey on her sexual history where she’ll bullshit a bunch of stuff and/or have actually rewritten her history via her hamster in her head. But put a girl in a situ where she’s a couple drinks in, horny, and in private with a kinky/freaky sexual guy she trusts won’t judge her or will enjoy her stories as you both share your stories together, and she’ll tell you all sorts of shit.

    2) Someone who’s judgement she doesn’t give a shit about. This can mean either she’s interacting with someone so low-value to her that she doesn’t give a shit what he/she thinks, or it can mean that she’s so confident and legitimately doesn’t care what other people think of her (ie – the thing we strive for in doing pickup) that she’s an open book.

    Also most guys are shit in bed. Girls don’t come back to me for my millions of dollars and 6-pack abs and chisled jaw and ferrari. They come back because I’m a good fuck lol So I hear stuff like “omg I’ve never cum like that before” etc. all the time, and I quiz them a bit on what guys they’ve fucked have been like in bed because the stories are usually funny in a shake-my-head way. Maybe they’re all just brilliant actresses improvising stories on the fly, but when you go out a lot you tend to get a sense for when people are bullshitting you.

    Anyway, enjoy it and take it all as a compliment. You’re hitting them on emotional levels that most guys don’t know how to tap into, and if you’ve done your homework on how to fuck, you’re going to end up with a lot of girls falling for you. Pretty much every girl I bang falls in love ASAP, that’s part of why I follow all the rules on keeping them at arm’s length.



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“PS Despite the horrible negger in RD’s anecdote, you’ll note that she remembers him days later. A woman’s hate is far preferable to her indifference as an emotional medium through which you can insinuate your obscure charms.”

Once again, CH, it’s a fine line. I do know several women who wound up getting with men that they initially hated. What I’ve never heard of is a woman who wound up getting with a man for whom they had ever held contempt.

The distinction is important. Hatred is reserved for someone that you see as an equal or a superior; contempt is directed at your inferiors. Hatred contains an element of passion, thus potentially amenable to transmutation into other passionate emotions. Contempt is bloodless…and permanent.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 5:55 pm
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    “The opposite of Love isn’t Hate, it’s Indifference.”



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“Fuck me you’re ugly”

Works every time – if delivered correctly. Especially good as an opener, bonus points for the subliminal message. It probably wouldn’t work on an actual ugly chick, but who the fuck talks to them?


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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    Solid. For super hot girls. Like a cocky 8 minimum. I use a lot of this kind of stuff…the girls love it. The White Knights who overhear me say it don’t love it quite as much lol



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Also forgot to ask RD, do you in fact have a big ass and tiny tatas? Reality is relevant to a discussion like this. Or else don’t ever try to say that you want an honest man, because if he was being honest although blunt, maybe the real issue here is you need to hit the gym more often as opposed to stuffing your face with your friends and guzzling alcohol at the bars.

Just a thought. Self improvement never hurt anyone.


  • RappaccinisDaughter
    on September 25, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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    I just tried to answer you 3 times and WordPress ate every one. Maybe I just exceeded my word count, who knows.

    Measurements are 35A-25-36.5, if that helps.

    No, I wasn’t rude to him. He actually said that to me after I made a mildly self-deprecating remark about how I looked awkward.


    • schulby
      on September 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm
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      Oh. So, what is your issue then? He was an idiot. Just forget about that clod and go out and have fun with all of the other more polite men who have been begging you to let them spend their money and time on you. Simple, no?


      • RappaccinisDaughter
        on September 25, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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        The issue was that CH was talking about negs, and I was saying that some guys don’t seem to understand the difference between negs and flat-out insults.

        One of the things I’ve noticed—and this is a point that YaReally has made a few times, so don’t just take my word for it—is that a lot of this “game” stuff is really just taking what women do to men and turning it around on us.

        Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal. That’s what you, trying to interact with girls and turn this dynamic around to work in your favor, should be trying for.


        • YaReally
          on September 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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          “Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal. That’s what you, trying to interact with girls and turn this dynamic around to work in your favor, should be trying for.”

          Yep. Most guys have fallen for negs but girls are way better at them.

          Like to me this is still try-hard and awkward sounding and forced and unnatural:

          “Your sexy hips balance out your athletic boobs.”

          Like it comes off to me as trying to get a reaction. If I was going to use something like this, I would be more subtle like:

          “You have sexy legs…I’m not really a boob guy anyway.”

          Where instead of her hamster thinking “oh he’s telling me I have small boobs”, her hamster thinks “wait, did he just imply I have small boobs??”

          That puzzlement of “wait did he just obliviously insult me??” makes a difference. They almost instinctually feel the urge to “correct” you or let you know you accidentally insulted them because you seem oblivious to the notion that, like, asking if she’s wearing extensions, even if you’re saying you like her hair, is actually an insult in girl-world and you’re not supposed to know they’re there or acknowledge them if you do lol


          • YaReally
            on September 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm
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            Nonsense. If I was showing off, my dick would be out.



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OK, as a long time nice guy beta provider I have a hard time with negs; they come off too harsh and insulting. I am getting a little better at it; I practice on a couple of hot but “taken” girls at church and they’ve taken to texting me at random times… But even my limited understanding could see what was wrong with that neg – don’t neg what can’t be changed. The “atheletic boobs” is a great save but “small tits” isn’t something she can control. Hairstyle, dress, choice of friends, choice of jobs (I constantly pick on “HR Babe” for her career choice and she just eats it up) are all fair game but fundamental body size and shape (apart from what can be changed through diet and exercise) are, I would think, largely off limits.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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    Yep, it’s a good rule of thumb, especially when you’re starting out and learning to calibrate. Like oldschool David DeAngelo said: “you can make fun of her shirt but not her face…because she can’t change her face, but she can go put on a different shirt.”



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earl
on September 25, 2013 at 11:53 am
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I could be wrong but I would think that negs are good for initial attraction and to get you into her brain…but generally not for arousal. I would think that too many would be tingle extinguishers.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 6:25 pm
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    Negs are just for the start, to break down her bitch shield if you run into one.

    The teasing that goes on later in the interaction is done as flirty teasing and with both of you KNOWING you’re flirting, VS the start where you don’t have that sub-communicated agreement yet.



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RappaccinisDaughter
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“PS Despite the horrible negger in RD’s anecdote, you’ll note that she remembers him days later. A woman’s hate is far preferable to her indifference as an emotional medium through which you can insinuate your obscure charms.”

Once again, CH, it’s a fine line. I do know several women who wound up getting with men that they initially hated. What I’ve never heard of is a woman who wound up getting with a man for whom they had ever held contempt.

The distinction is important. Hatred is reserved for someone that you see as an equal or a superior; contempt is directed at your inferiors. Hatred contains an element of passion, thus potentially amenable to transmutation into other passionate emotions. Contempt is bloodless…and permanent.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 5:55 pm
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    “The opposite of Love isn’t Hate, it’s Indifference.”



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Master Beta
on September 25, 2013 at 9:50 am
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“Fuck me you’re ugly”

Works every time – if delivered correctly. Especially good as an opener, bonus points for the subliminal message. It probably wouldn’t work on an actual ugly chick, but who the fuck talks to them?


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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    Solid. For super hot girls. Like a cocky 8 minimum. I use a lot of this kind of stuff…the girls love it. The White Knights who overhear me say it don’t love it quite as much lol



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schulby
on September 25, 2013 at 11:07 am
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Also forgot to ask RD, do you in fact have a big ass and tiny tatas? Reality is relevant to a discussion like this. Or else don’t ever try to say that you want an honest man, because if he was being honest although blunt, maybe the real issue here is you need to hit the gym more often as opposed to stuffing your face with your friends and guzzling alcohol at the bars.

Just a thought. Self improvement never hurt anyone.


  • RappaccinisDaughter
    on September 25, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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    I just tried to answer you 3 times and WordPress ate every one. Maybe I just exceeded my word count, who knows.

    Measurements are 35A-25-36.5, if that helps.

    No, I wasn’t rude to him. He actually said that to me after I made a mildly self-deprecating remark about how I looked awkward.


    • YaReally
      on September 25, 2013 at 6:17 pm
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      “Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal. That’s what you, trying to interact with girls and turn this dynamic around to work in your favor, should be trying for.”

      Yep. Most guys have fallen for negs but girls are way better at them.

      Like to me this is still try-hard and awkward sounding and forced and unnatural:

      “Your sexy hips balance out your athletic boobs.”

      Like it comes off to me as trying to get a reaction. If I was going to use something like this, I would be more subtle like:

      “You have sexy legs…I’m not really a boob guy anyway.”

      Where instead of her hamster thinking “oh he’s telling me I have small boobs”, her hamster thinks “wait, did he just imply I have small boobs??”

      That puzzlement of “wait did he just obliviously insult me??” makes a difference. They almost instinctually feel the urge to “correct” you or let you know you accidentally insulted them because you seem oblivious to the notion that, like, asking if she’s wearing extensions, even if you’re saying you like her hair, is actually an insult in girl-world and you’re not supposed to know they’re there or acknowledge them if you do lol


    • YaReally
      on September 25, 2013 at 9:39 pm
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      Nonsense. If I was showing off, my dick would be out.



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Southern Man
on September 25, 2013 at 11:50 am
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OK, as a long time nice guy beta provider I have a hard time with negs; they come off too harsh and insulting. I am getting a little better at it; I practice on a couple of hot but “taken” girls at church and they’ve taken to texting me at random times… But even my limited understanding could see what was wrong with that neg – don’t neg what can’t be changed. The “atheletic boobs” is a great save but “small tits” isn’t something she can control. Hairstyle, dress, choice of friends, choice of jobs (I constantly pick on “HR Babe” for her career choice and she just eats it up) are all fair game but fundamental body size and shape (apart from what can be changed through diet and exercise) are, I would think, largely off limits.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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    Yep, it’s a good rule of thumb, especially when you’re starting out and learning to calibrate. Like oldschool David DeAngelo said: “you can make fun of her shirt but not her face…because she can’t change her face, but she can go put on a different shirt.”



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earl
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I could be wrong but I would think that negs are good for initial attraction and to get you into her brain…but generally not for arousal. I would think that too many would be tingle extinguishers.


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2013 at 6:25 pm
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    Negs are just for the start, to break down her bitch shield if you run into one.

    The teasing that goes on later in the interaction is done as flirty teasing and with both of you KNOWING you’re flirting, VS the start where you don’t have that sub-communicated agreement yet.



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Hunter
on September 24, 2013 at 10:01 am
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Left a long ass FR on here, but I think it got eaten up. I’ll rewrite it later. Basically racked up a shitton of fuckups after watching RSD Blueprint and MM a bit over the weekend. Gonna go out on a date this week (meet through a friend so, doesn’t count). Anyway, later bros.


  • Hunter
    on September 24, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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    Date didn’t go well. We were total opposites lol. Fine by me.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm
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      All good. Being okay with her not being your type is good internally, as well.

      A lot of beta/AFC guys get stuck in the mindset that “it HAS to work with this girl…she’s The One!!” Meanwhile the girl might be a TERRIBLE match for him, but because he’s stuck in a scarcity mindset and doesn’t have options, he builds her up in his head and tries to force the square peg into the round hole.

      On the flip side a lot of newbie/intermediate PUAs define themselves by their newfound superpowers of seduction, so as Tyler says “a PUA is the only guy who will be frustrated that a girl HE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE, doesn’t like him.” lol

      It’s cool if you guys don’t click, there are 3.5 billion more women out there, and you’re developing the skills to meet them. :) And you’ve gained a reference experience of going on a date so the next one you’re on, with some chick you DO click with, it’ll feel more normal and natural, which will help her feel like being out with you is normal and natural.

      Good stuff on giving it a go! Also Blueprint is some heavy shit lol don’t feel bad if you don’t finish it or absorb it all, I love it but it fucks a lot of guys up for a few weeks/months after they watch it lol What he says at the start about re-listening to it at different points and taking new stuff out of it is true. I give it a watch once a year and stuff that was relevant to me before fades out while stuff that’s relevant to where my game has advanced to jumps out and makes me go “wow that didn’t even make sense to me before but it just clicked a part of the puzzle together”.

      Can’t go wrong with classic Mystery Method tho. Hope you get to apply some of this stuff out in the field. :)



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Hunter
on September 24, 2013 at 10:01 am
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Left a long ass FR on here, but I think it got eaten up. I’ll rewrite it later. Basically racked up a shitton of fuckups after watching RSD Blueprint and MM a bit over the weekend. Gonna go out on a date this week (meet through a friend so, doesn’t count). Anyway, later bros.


  • Hunter
    on September 24, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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    Date didn’t go well. We were total opposites lol. Fine by me.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2013 at 11:29 pm
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      All good. Being okay with her not being your type is good internally, as well.

      A lot of beta/AFC guys get stuck in the mindset that “it HAS to work with this girl…she’s The One!!” Meanwhile the girl might be a TERRIBLE match for him, but because he’s stuck in a scarcity mindset and doesn’t have options, he builds her up in his head and tries to force the square peg into the round hole.

      On the flip side a lot of newbie/intermediate PUAs define themselves by their newfound superpowers of seduction, so as Tyler says “a PUA is the only guy who will be frustrated that a girl HE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE, doesn’t like him.” lol

      It’s cool if you guys don’t click, there are 3.5 billion more women out there, and you’re developing the skills to meet them. :) And you’ve gained a reference experience of going on a date so the next one you’re on, with some chick you DO click with, it’ll feel more normal and natural, which will help her feel like being out with you is normal and natural.

      Good stuff on giving it a go! Also Blueprint is some heavy shit lol don’t feel bad if you don’t finish it or absorb it all, I love it but it fucks a lot of guys up for a few weeks/months after they watch it lol What he says at the start about re-listening to it at different points and taking new stuff out of it is true. I give it a watch once a year and stuff that was relevant to me before fades out while stuff that’s relevant to where my game has advanced to jumps out and makes me go “wow that didn’t even make sense to me before but it just clicked a part of the puzzle together”.

      Can’t go wrong with classic Mystery Method tho. Hope you get to apply some of this stuff out in the field. :)



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Sad Clown
on September 24, 2013 at 10:14 am
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The newb who hits on 10′s as well as 6′s will get better faster than the newb who just hits on 6′s. There’s no inherent risk to overshooting in game, unlike ingesting cobra poison.


  • Zombie Shane
    on September 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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    > “The newb who hits on 10′s as well as 6′s will get better faster than the newb who just hits on 6′s. There’s no inherent risk to overshooting in game, unlike ingesting cobra poison.”

    I don’t judge chicks on the “HB” scale anymore.

    I’m strictly on the “Darkness” scale now.

    When I sense The Darkness in a chick – whether she’s an HB1 or an HB10 – I quickly back out and move on in search of a chick who still has just a little basic human warmth and kindness in her heart.



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on September 24, 2013 at 10:14 am
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The newb who hits on 10’s as well as 6’s will get better faster than the newb who just hits on 6’s. There’s no inherent risk to overshooting in game, unlike ingesting cobra poison.


  • Zombie Shane
    on September 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm
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    > “The newb who hits on 10′s as well as 6′s will get better faster than the newb who just hits on 6′s. There’s no inherent risk to overshooting in game, unlike ingesting cobra poison.”

    I don’t judge chicks on the “HB” scale anymore.

    I’m strictly on the “Darkness” scale now.

    When I sense The Darkness in a chick – whether she’s an HB1 or an HB10 – I quickly back out and move on in search of a chick who still has just a little basic human warmth and kindness in her heart.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2013 at 11:37 pm
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      The Daaaaaaaaaarkness :'( :'( :( :(



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Greatest Beta
on September 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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Seduction is great and all and can definitely help someone pull hotter women. But to this day the vast majority of the time the couples are fairly matched in terms of looks. Older man with money and younger hot chick you will see. Or you see a good looking dude with a whatever girl. But, very rare to see a 27 yr old average looking dude with a 22 yr old banger.

Personally, I see plenty of hamsterbation in the seduction community as well. Lots of dudes with rejection issues and confidence issues. What I do see a lot of is decent looking guys that learn game and increase their prospects. I talk to women all the time and ask them “what about this guy or that guy” and its always the same “hes not attractive” whereas they all want the same 10 good looking dudes. The same 10 guys that have banged 80 percent of the good looking girls in my extended social group. My brother (and me to a lesser extent) constitute 2 of the 10 guys. My brother is fucking hilarious he has actor looks and has banged over 100 broads, with dozens in the 8 plus range. He literally has 15 girls at the moment texty texty him I watch in awe. How many times I have opened girls with him just to watch them gravitate to my bro (he has crystal blue eyes) its just the reality guys they will say to him “you have amazing eyes” sure I could AMOG him but fck that hes my bro.

I can see with good enough game a 6 man can fuck a 10 broad. But, he wont be able to keep her as there will be too many 8 plus men out there that he has to compete against. I have used my seduction skills to pull super hotties in the past, banged them for months and then lost them to better looking dudes. It is nature.


  • Nicole
    on September 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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    Looks don’t matter as much to women. What you need is some kind of…flair.

    Your brother has the crystal blue eyes. Lots of guys have blue eyes, but what makes your brother’s eyes “crystal” is the way he works them.

    Maybe you have a special trait that you’re not exploiting. Do different things and see what they add to your body language.

    Also, it seems that even though you may be alpha, you are beta relative to your brother. The women end up gravitating to him or to other guys because in some way, you are acquiescing to him/them. You have to stop doing whatever it is you are doing that makes it seem like you are giving up or taking the submissive back seat.

    You could try, instead of using your usual tactics, taking on a different flavor of alpha. If he’s fun partyboy, maybe you can be brooding musician or always-ready-to-take-your-shirt-off berzerker.


    • Greatest Beta
      on September 24, 2013 at 5:08 pm
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      In terms of intensity, aggression, balls to the wall (so to speak) im way more alpha than my brother. Its funny because he is actually shy as hell but plays off the “man of mystery” vibe. I am his best wing man as I’ll cold approach practically any girl. But, the fact remains that he is better looking than me and the blue eyes get him the hotter girls most of the time. Ive seen it happen over and over again.


      • YaReally
        on September 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm
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        They only notice his blue eyes because you’re not interesting enough to keep their attention.

        No offense intended, this is just how it works. If you were more captivating, emotionally challenging and your game was tighter (this doesn’t mean more high energy, it means more efficient/powerful), they would be looking in your eyes instead of his.

        Look at it as a challenge to better yourself and tighten up your skills till you can keep the attention in the group. I went thru a similar thing with a good-looking tall peacocked buddy who has game, where all the girls in the group would ignore me and hit on him, sometimes even blatantly rudely just leaving me standing behind their backs like I don’t exist.

        I learned from it and worked on my game until the reverse would happen, instead of just chalking it up to his height or his peacocking.

        The reality is that you could take girls off him, if you were good enough and didn’t mind cockblocking him. Of course you won’t try this, because he’s your brother and its easier to chalk it up to his magic eyes lol but understand that his magic eyes are your failing, ultimately.


        • Greatest Beta
          on September 24, 2013 at 11:46 pm
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          I could never cockblock my brother. We are close and have a good relationship. But I will say that since my game has gotten tighter I get less of the old treatment. I would say at this point my game is waayy tighter than his. The natural looks and his naturally shy demeanor has helped him so he never had to truly learn tight game. This is where my lookism stems from.

          I pull and continue to pull tighter girls but have had to rely on game and body language more than my own natural looks (which are not bad at all :)


          • YaReally
            on September 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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            What happens if you don’t open for him? what happens if you take him to a bar he hasn’t been to and isn’t comfortable in? What happens when he’s 35+? Or if he stops working out because he’s focused on other areas of his life? Or if he’s in an accident that leaves him not looking hot? Or if he’s around guys who aren’t his brother and don’t care about not cockblocking him? Or if your skills get even tighter and more natural to where you don’t even register them being “working harder”? Or if he’s…

            Your brother gets some easy freebies because of his looks, ya, no ones saying that doesn’t happen. And he lucked out that it’s something he’s born with like his eyes VS a ripped body he has to spend 4 hours a day at the gym to maintain. But ultimately you’re building a skill-set that will last you longer and reward you better. Your mindset will shift from “with his magic eyes he doesn’t have to do ANYTHING, lucky guy” to “all he’s got is relying on his magic eyes, poor guy”. :)

            10s don’t settle with average “cool” 7/10 dudes. But they’ll settle with badass STAND-OUT 7/10 dudes. Maybe in LA you don’t see that as much because to even get IN the good clubs with the hottest girls there you have to be a certain level of good-looking so naturally the girls are interacting with more of them. Like when I hit on a hot girl I KNOW her social circle is alllll jacked up tall good-looking rich dudes. I go in knowing that at the same moment I’m approaching, she’s probably got 5 guys txting her who are better looking than me and one of those guys is offering her a free vacation to Paris and spending money to buy a bunch of expensive clothes there. That doesn’t phase me because I know that’s just part of a hot girl’s world and I’m more interesting/fun than those guys are, otherwise she’d be with them instead of out lol

            On top of the artificial class divide the bar scene in cities like LA create, the 7/10 guys that DO somehow get access to the 10 girls are intimidated and don’t think they deserve the 10 girl so they don’t even try and can’t compete when they DO try because the 10 sniffs out their shitty self-defeating internals. Even if he gets her attention for the night or a couple weeks, he doesn’t fully believe he deserves her and she’s “out of his league” so he loses her and long-term she ends up with a hotter guy who feels more entitled to her.

            But that’s all just external logistical shit skewing the results you’re seeing.

            A 7 who truly to his core believes he’s a 10 and deserves a 10 is extremely extremely extremely rare. But then, so is a 10 who truly to his core believes he’s a 10 and deserves a 10. :)


          • YaReally
            on September 25, 2013 at 9:50 pm
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            lol that too. I think as our social culture changes with men learning game and a generation of career-women hitting the wall, the ideal strategies will be:

            Women – secure/marry a rich beta and bang alphas on the side trying to get preggers by one who looks similar to her hubby so she can have an alpha child but also a provider for him.

            Men – avoid marriage/commitment and stick to causal harems. Then either get married chicks preggers so you can put some alpha spawn out there, or shop around till you find a decently cool chick and have kids with no marriage, while developing yourself enough that you’re likely to win a court battle for custody of your children if things go haywire.

            In both strategies women get a provider and alphas get sex, and both get to raise children. An in both strategies betas get fucked over or nothing at all lol



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Greatest Beta
on September 24, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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Seduction is great and all and can definitely help someone pull hotter women. But to this day the vast majority of the time the couples are fairly matched in terms of looks. Older man with money and younger hot chick you will see. Or you see a good looking dude with a whatever girl. But, very rare to see a 27 yr old average looking dude with a 22 yr old banger.

Personally, I see plenty of hamsterbation in the seduction community as well. Lots of dudes with rejection issues and confidence issues. What I do see a lot of is decent looking guys that learn game and increase their prospects. I talk to women all the time and ask them “what about this guy or that guy” and its always the same “hes not attractive” whereas they all want the same 10 good looking dudes. The same 10 guys that have banged 80 percent of the good looking girls in my extended social group. My brother (and me to a lesser extent) constitute 2 of the 10 guys. My brother is fucking hilarious he has actor looks and has banged over 100 broads, with dozens in the 8 plus range. He literally has 15 girls at the moment texty texty him I watch in awe. How many times I have opened girls with him just to watch them gravitate to my bro (he has crystal blue eyes) its just the reality guys they will say to him “you have amazing eyes” sure I could AMOG him but fck that hes my bro.

I can see with good enough game a 6 man can fuck a 10 broad. But, he wont be able to keep her as there will be too many 8 plus men out there that he has to compete against. I have used my seduction skills to pull super hotties in the past, banged them for months and then lost them to better looking dudes. It is nature.


  • Nicole
    on September 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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    Looks don’t matter as much to women. What you need is some kind of…flair.

    Your brother has the crystal blue eyes. Lots of guys have blue eyes, but what makes your brother’s eyes “crystal” is the way he works them.

    Maybe you have a special trait that you’re not exploiting. Do different things and see what they add to your body language.

    Also, it seems that even though you may be alpha, you are beta relative to your brother. The women end up gravitating to him or to other guys because in some way, you are acquiescing to him/them. You have to stop doing whatever it is you are doing that makes it seem like you are giving up or taking the submissive back seat.

    You could try, instead of using your usual tactics, taking on a different flavor of alpha. If he’s fun partyboy, maybe you can be brooding musician or always-ready-to-take-your-shirt-off berzerker.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm
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      They only notice his blue eyes because you’re not interesting enough to keep their attention.

      No offense intended, this is just how it works. If you were more captivating, emotionally challenging and your game was tighter (this doesn’t mean more high energy, it means more efficient/powerful), they would be looking in your eyes instead of his.

      Look at it as a challenge to better yourself and tighten up your skills till you can keep the attention in the group. I went thru a similar thing with a good-looking tall peacocked buddy who has game, where all the girls in the group would ignore me and hit on him, sometimes even blatantly rudely just leaving me standing behind their backs like I don’t exist.

      I learned from it and worked on my game until the reverse would happen, instead of just chalking it up to his height or his peacocking.

      The reality is that you could take girls off him, if you were good enough and didn’t mind cockblocking him. Of course you won’t try this, because he’s your brother and its easier to chalk it up to his magic eyes lol but understand that his magic eyes are your failing, ultimately.


    • YaReally
      on September 25, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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      What happens if you don’t open for him? what happens if you take him to a bar he hasn’t been to and isn’t comfortable in? What happens when he’s 35+? Or if he stops working out because he’s focused on other areas of his life? Or if he’s in an accident that leaves him not looking hot? Or if he’s around guys who aren’t his brother and don’t care about not cockblocking him? Or if your skills get even tighter and more natural to where you don’t even register them being “working harder”? Or if he’s…

      Your brother gets some easy freebies because of his looks, ya, no ones saying that doesn’t happen. And he lucked out that it’s something he’s born with like his eyes VS a ripped body he has to spend 4 hours a day at the gym to maintain. But ultimately you’re building a skill-set that will last you longer and reward you better. Your mindset will shift from “with his magic eyes he doesn’t have to do ANYTHING, lucky guy” to “all he’s got is relying on his magic eyes, poor guy”. :)

      10s don’t settle with average “cool” 7/10 dudes. But they’ll settle with badass STAND-OUT 7/10 dudes. Maybe in LA you don’t see that as much because to even get IN the good clubs with the hottest girls there you have to be a certain level of good-looking so naturally the girls are interacting with more of them. Like when I hit on a hot girl I KNOW her social circle is alllll jacked up tall good-looking rich dudes. I go in knowing that at the same moment I’m approaching, she’s probably got 5 guys txting her who are better looking than me and one of those guys is offering her a free vacation to Paris and spending money to buy a bunch of expensive clothes there. That doesn’t phase me because I know that’s just part of a hot girl’s world and I’m more interesting/fun than those guys are, otherwise she’d be with them instead of out lol

      On top of the artificial class divide the bar scene in cities like LA create, the 7/10 guys that DO somehow get access to the 10 girls are intimidated and don’t think they deserve the 10 girl so they don’t even try and can’t compete when they DO try because the 10 sniffs out their shitty self-defeating internals. Even if he gets her attention for the night or a couple weeks, he doesn’t fully believe he deserves her and she’s “out of his league” so he loses her and long-term she ends up with a hotter guy who feels more entitled to her.

      But that’s all just external logistical shit skewing the results you’re seeing.

      A 7 who truly to his core believes he’s a 10 and deserves a 10 is extremely extremely extremely rare. But then, so is a 10 who truly to his core believes he’s a 10 and deserves a 10. :)


    • YaReally
      on September 25, 2013 at 9:50 pm
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      lol that too. I think as our social culture changes with men learning game and a generation of career-women hitting the wall, the ideal strategies will be:

      Women – secure/marry a rich beta and bang alphas on the side trying to get preggers by one who looks similar to her hubby so she can have an alpha child but also a provider for him.

      Men – avoid marriage/commitment and stick to causal harems. Then either get married chicks preggers so you can put some alpha spawn out there, or shop around till you find a decently cool chick and have kids with no marriage, while developing yourself enough that you’re likely to win a court battle for custody of your children if things go haywire.

      In both strategies women get a provider and alphas get sex, and both get to raise children. An in both strategies betas get fucked over or nothing at all lol



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One dude I was helping swallow the red pill and start learning game, told me he wish he wasn’t in med school…he didn’t like it or want to do it, but he thought being a doctor would mean he would be able to find a wife and surprise surprise he hasn’t been laid or been on dates in years despite working to become a doctor.

When he started realizing he could just go out and talk to girls, but he was too busy studying in school to go out enough to get good, he was devastated. He realized he had listened to social conditioning and willingly put himself in a non-ideal lifestyle he doesn’t enjoy for rewards that weren’t guaranteed (and were mostly a bullshit fairy tale lie), and that that lifestyle he entered actually prevented him from taking the action that WOULD get him the reward he was hoping for.

Felt bad for the dude, but I see that kind of thing all the time.

Saw this the other day (skip the first 1/3rd):

Tom Leykis in an interview with a chick where she’s all “a woman supports her man and helps build his career so she deserves alimony” and he’s like “DOES she? Because the women I’ve known have hampered my career, not helped it. Complaining that I work too much or complaining that I have to travel and be away for business meetings…they’ve done the exact opposite of helping.”

In this one he talks about not weighing your life down with a woman and changing your life plans etc when you’re in your 20s because you’ll hit your peak later, the way Rollo is describing here.

Dude speaks some common-fucking-sense lol


YaReally
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@Chris Carleton

1) who is Rollo

Totally irrelevant lol What he says and how well it gels with reality and the experience of other men is important, not who he is.

It doesn’t matter if the person telling you 2 + 2 = 4 is a crackhead on the street or the CEO of a billion dollar business, it doesn’t change what 2 + 2 equals.

2) where’s the data?

In the field. Go out and see it for yourself like the rest of us. ;)

But since you won’t, here are over 19,000 Field Reports that each contain from 1-10+ interactions (but usually around 2-5):

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?action=prevnext&offset=636&grp=alt.seduction.fast.fieldreports

That’s just *ONE* PUA forum, that isn’t even active anymore lol

Feel free to read all those Field Reports and draw your own conclusions. That’s what we did…on TOP of also going out and testing everything for ourselves. :) When you finish reading those, I can link you to thousands of more current Field Reports to also read for patterns and consistent trends. There are even forums dedicated to sharing experiences in long-term relationships, not just on the initial pickup.


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on September 21st, 2013 at 3:41 pm
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“the knowledge has to be 1) self-evident, 2) already established, or readily and objectively verifiable”

The knowledge is both of those…to people who go out and socially apply game regularly, instead of sitting inside trying to get other people to Google data for you.

You could ask me for scientific data papers determining that the sun is bright…or you could just open a fucking window and look outside like the rest of us lol

It’s Saturday. Go out tonight and watch the sexual marketplace in action. Even better: participate in it. Even better: do that every night for a few years.

Or you can wait for the scientific paper from Harvard where thousands of married women admit to fucking assholes like me in the bathroom of a bar on their girls’ nights out. I’m sure they’re working on that study right now and thousands of women will raise their hands to admit that kind of stuff happens lol


YaReally
on September 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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@Chris

The mistake your making with Rollo is the same one that a lot of my haters in the Manosphere make about me because I post a lot of Tyler PUA videos: you’re assuming that Rollo is spouting his own personal theories from a mountain-top and the rest of us are just standing below in a cult-like fashion saying “yes Rollo, if you say it, then it’s true! Go forth and spread the word everyone, our leader has blessed us with his guidance!” People think that’s how Tyler’s “cult” works too.

What those people, and yourself, don’t grasp is that there are no “leaders” in this stuff. None of us accepts this shit at face value except the keyboard jockeys (and ironically those guys are the ones who tend to argue and mentally masturbate over theories the most lol).

The reason Rollo and Heartiste are popular isn’t because their readers have given them god-like status…it’s because the stuff they write resonates with the vast majority of men’s life experiences. And we go out and test this stuff for ourselves to see it first-hand. And if it doesn’t work, we come back and report that, and debate the nuances of what works and doesn’t work, then go out and test it again, until we get something that resonates consistently with our experiences.

That’s why who Rollo is is irrelevant. You are relying on a scientific paper to tell you shit you don’t know and giving that paper authority over you, as in what that paper says is what reality is, so in that situ it’s very important who wrote that paper.

In this situ it’s not important because if Rollo writes “women want you to supplicate and always do what they tell you to do”, we have thousands of men who will say “no fucking way, we all did that and she ditched us”, and we can go out and approach 100 girls each and build attraction then supplicate to them and experience for ourselves how it changes the dynamics.

We are not a group following a few leaders…we are a group who combines their experiences and look to guys like Rollo and Heartiste to write easily understandable articles that break down and teach the concepts that we all find to align with most men’s experiences.

Like I say, go out tonight and conduct your own research. That’s what I’m doing. If it doesn’t align with what Rollo writes about, I’ll tell him and as a group we’ll figure out why there are differing results until we nail down what’s going on.


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Samson J.
on September 19, 2013 at 8:38 am
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Holy smokes! I have a chart like that for my TODDLERS, for when they go on the TOILET. I have never, ever imagined an abomination like the one above.



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Samson J.
on September 19, 2013 at 8:38 am
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Holy smokes! I have a chart like that for my TODDLERS, for when they go on the TOILET. I have never, ever imagined an abomination like the one above.



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Master Beta
on September 19, 2013 at 10:50 am
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This chart is right if you read from right to left.
i.e. 6 x BJs = I’ll clean up throw-up


  • Matthew
    on September 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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    The reward for giving a BJ is that she got to give a BJ. Apply broadly: the reward for a woman doing sexy things is that she got to do sexy things.


    • YaReally
      on September 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm
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      Solid internal frame right here.



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on September 19, 2013 at 10:50 am
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This chart is right if you read from right to left.
i.e. 6 x BJs = I’ll clean up throw-up


  • Matthew
    on September 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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    The reward for giving a BJ is that she got to give a BJ. Apply broadly: the reward for a woman doing sexy things is that she got to do sexy things.


    • YaReally
      on September 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm
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      Solid internal frame right here.



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Trouble.Maker
on September 19, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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Part of me likes the idea of stability and comfort of marriage, but I’ve got that part of me that thankfully is not naive enough to see all of the risks…so then I have this situation.

21 year old I’m dating has some long term potential. However, her sex drive is not high. If I was gonna wife someone up and have kids, she would be a strong candidate. We discussed this, and she said she would be okay with me fucking around on the side, as long as “emotionally” I’m with her. Part of me thinks giant fucking trap, but part of me also knows how strong my frame is and thinks I could probably pull it off.

I’d be really curious to get some of you guys that have a lot of experience with settings frames and sticking to them in relationships. Is this reasonably possible to sustain over a long period of time?


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm
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    Do NOT agree to monogamy with this girl. Not even (ESPECIALLY not even) in marriage. Your mis-matched sex drives WILL be an issue long-term, and will result in you cheating (followed by divorce rape and possibly losing your kids) or being a miserable “incel” who’s just waiting for the sweet merciful release of death.

    That said, you’ve already had the talk about it which is good (a lot of guys are too pussy to say they aren’t sexually satisfied) and she’s already given you permission which is even better. This isn’t necessarily a trap. It CAN be, if you don’t know what you’re doing. But if you understand the dynamics because an oLTR (open long-term relationship), you can make this work.

    Read everything I’m linking below, and you’ll have a solid grasp on why her saying “just don’t emotionally cheat” is 100% consistent with how these things work:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-347499

    http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=primary+secondary

    And further reading material on the subject I recommend, by a PUA who knows his shit:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-393398

    Good luck. Personally, I see this style of relationship becoming more popular in the future as more men reject marriage, as more men talk and realize how little sex actually happens in most LTRs, and as more women are forced to lower their ridiculous expectations of what they deserve from a high-value man.



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on September 19, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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Part of me likes the idea of stability and comfort of marriage, but I’ve got that part of me that thankfully is not naive enough to see all of the risks…so then I have this situation.

21 year old I’m dating has some long term potential. However, her sex drive is not high. If I was gonna wife someone up and have kids, she would be a strong candidate. We discussed this, and she said she would be okay with me fucking around on the side, as long as “emotionally” I’m with her. Part of me thinks giant fucking trap, but part of me also knows how strong my frame is and thinks I could probably pull it off.

I’d be really curious to get some of you guys that have a lot of experience with settings frames and sticking to them in relationships. Is this reasonably possible to sustain over a long period of time?


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm
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    Do NOT agree to monogamy with this girl. Not even (ESPECIALLY not even) in marriage. Your mis-matched sex drives WILL be an issue long-term, and will result in you cheating (followed by divorce rape and possibly losing your kids) or being a miserable “incel” who’s just waiting for the sweet merciful release of death.

    That said, you’ve already had the talk about it which is good (a lot of guys are too pussy to say they aren’t sexually satisfied) and she’s already given you permission which is even better. This isn’t necessarily a trap. It CAN be, if you don’t know what you’re doing. But if you understand the dynamics because an oLTR (open long-term relationship), you can make this work.

    Read everything I’m linking below, and you’ll have a solid grasp on why her saying “just don’t emotionally cheat” is 100% consistent with how these things work:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/6/#comment-heartiste-347499

    http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=primary+secondary

    And further reading material on the subject I recommend, by a PUA who knows his shit:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2012/12/#comment-heartiste-393398

    Good luck. Personally, I see this style of relationship becoming more popular in the future as more men reject marriage, as more men talk and realize how little sex actually happens in most LTRs, and as more women are forced to lower their ridiculous expectations of what they deserve from a high-value man.



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earl
on September 18, 2013 at 8:06 am
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Don’t forget to fart, pick your nose, and scratch yourself in her presence too.

Seriously…don’t burp unless you have to. That’s not going to attract anything.


  • Zombie Shane
    on September 18, 2013 at 9:15 am
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    > “Most girls are friendly as fuck, esp when you have confidence and your sub-communications down”

    True dat.

    That’s one of the reasons that I love Real World Real Life Game – just chatting up the cashiers and the waitresses and the nurses at the doctor’s office and the gal standing in line next to me at the DMV and whichever manner of chick that I cross paths with during the course of my day.

    Out there in Real World Real Life, the vast overwhelming majority of chicks just wanna spread their legs and get all hot-n-sweaty and have a nice bun or three placed in their ovens.

    The big outlier here, though, would be the University Towns.

    In the University Towns, you get your Dark Chicks.

    The ones who gleefully swallowed the bait which The Frankfurt School was dangling right in front of their noses.

    The True Believers.

    I’m getting to where I can smell The Darkness on a chick from a mile away.

    And as soon as I smell it, I back the hell off, steer a wide berth, and get the hell outta Dodge just as soon as I can.

    I’ve toyed with the idea of developing an “Evangelical Game” to try to save the Dark Chicks.

    But that voice in the back of my head is telling me that they’re simply lost to us.

    Lost to Life Itself.

    The Dark Chicks – DNFW.


    • V
      on September 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm
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      shane, the dark chicks dont wanna be saved. dont waste your time.


      • Sidewinder
        on September 18, 2013 at 2:12 pm
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        What do they want?


        • YaReally
          on September 18, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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          Assholes like me.

          Fortunately the good girls want that too. :D



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on September 18, 2013 at 8:06 am
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Don’t forget to fart, pick your nose, and scratch yourself in her presence too.

Seriously…don’t burp unless you have to. That’s not going to attract anything.


  • Zombie Shane
    on September 18, 2013 at 9:15 am
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    > “Most girls are friendly as fuck, esp when you have confidence and your sub-communications down”

    True dat.

    That’s one of the reasons that I love Real World Real Life Game – just chatting up the cashiers and the waitresses and the nurses at the doctor’s office and the gal standing in line next to me at the DMV and whichever manner of chick that I cross paths with during the course of my day.

    Out there in Real World Real Life, the vast overwhelming majority of chicks just wanna spread their legs and get all hot-n-sweaty and have a nice bun or three placed in their ovens.

    The big outlier here, though, would be the University Towns.

    In the University Towns, you get your Dark Chicks.

    The ones who gleefully swallowed the bait which The Frankfurt School was dangling right in front of their noses.

    The True Believers.

    I’m getting to where I can smell The Darkness on a chick from a mile away.

    And as soon as I smell it, I back the hell off, steer a wide berth, and get the hell outta Dodge just as soon as I can.

    I’ve toyed with the idea of developing an “Evangelical Game” to try to save the Dark Chicks.

    But that voice in the back of my head is telling me that they’re simply lost to us.

    Lost to Life Itself.

    The Dark Chicks – DNFW.


    • YaReally
      on September 18, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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      Assholes like me.

      Fortunately the good girls want that too. :D



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on September 18, 2013 at 8:33 am
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I think all of this analysis is too chick-centric and implies that the neg is some kind of magic formula or something. In the field, I have found you have to be able to fully interact with girls and speak with them about all kinds of things. Negs are only one small aspect of an outcome independent mindset, and this is much more about raising YOUR value than lowering hers. I’ve actually seen the opposite of negs work before, where a guy assumes the position of a LJBF, which makes the girl comfortable and she starts chatting with him. I’ve found that the key is projecting that you are comfortable talking with beautiful women because you do it all the time. That’s it. By being comfortable and not trying too hard, you signal to her that you’re the type of guy that hangs out with high value girls…i.e. a guy with clout and status. She will then be curious to see where this status and clout originate. The first question I always seem to get is some kind of inquiry as to what I do for a living. But maybe that’s because I’m in a college town and the girls are more class conscious?

I’ve always found the difficulty to be in going from this outcome independent mindset, to being assertive in seeking a phone number or lining up a bounce or something. It just seems inherently incongruent to me.


  • Anonymous
    on September 18, 2013 at 11:21 am
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    When the subject of real status seeking chicks comes up, guys who’ve quickly moved on from women who flaked (standard PUA advice) will say they don’t exist (or they’re ready to spread their legs for an alpha who wouldn’t qualify on the standard status measurement system). They don’t count the women who flaked on them because they didn’t have the status or money because PUAs are supposed to just move on quickly when women flake and not analyze what happened or work to alter the flaking behavior.

    Or they figure they just need to get more game (not more money) so they won’t be rejected for not having money.

    It’s a positive feedback system that keeps the egos of poor low-status men buoyed so they’ll be game ready for the many women who are open to them (of which there are many, especially in regions where feminists have drilled it into women’s heads that they must remain financially independent of males).


    • YaReally
      on September 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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      “guys who’ve quickly moved on from women who flaked (standard PUA advice)”

      This is not standard PUA advice. You are an idiot.

      “because PUAs are supposed to just move on quickly when women flake and not analyze what happened or work to alter the flaking behavior.”

      Again this is bullshit. You are a fucktard.

      We write long-ass Field Reports figuring out why girls flaked and how to either recover and get the lay, or figure out how to prevent it in the future.

      The reason we conclude that money, looks etc aren’t important are because we are able to get girls who normally look for that stuff. I can’t even count the number of times girls have shown me their previous boyfriends and told me flat out that I’m not their type etc, and still gotten them. They’ll backwards-rationalize it all too. “Oh I don’t like those jersey shore muscle guys anymore, you’re cuddly I like that more!”

      Now if you’re talking about who she wants as a Provider so you can enter a legal contract that’s heavily biased against you and the future of your family/children, your finances, etc because you love to just roll the dice with your life, and you think there’s a specific type of girl who’s born without Hypergamy so you’ll be safe from her cheating on or leaving you because she’s “high-class”, then ya, good money and being high-class are super duper.

      But if that’s your goal, you have more Manosphere reading to do.



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Sidewinder
on September 18, 2013 at 8:33 am
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I think all of this analysis is too chick-centric and implies that the neg is some kind of magic formula or something. In the field, I have found you have to be able to fully interact with girls and speak with them about all kinds of things. Negs are only one small aspect of an outcome independent mindset, and this is much more about raising YOUR value than lowering hers. I’ve actually seen the opposite of negs work before, where a guy assumes the position of a LJBF, which makes the girl comfortable and she starts chatting with him. I’ve found that the key is projecting that you are comfortable talking with beautiful women because you do it all the time. That’s it. By being comfortable and not trying too hard, you signal to her that you’re the type of guy that hangs out with high value girls…i.e. a guy with clout and status. She will then be curious to see where this status and clout originate. The first question I always seem to get is some kind of inquiry as to what I do for a living. But maybe that’s because I’m in a college town and the girls are more class conscious?

I’ve always found the difficulty to be in going from this outcome independent mindset, to being assertive in seeking a phone number or lining up a bounce or something. It just seems inherently incongruent to me.


  • Anonymous
    on September 18, 2013 at 11:21 am
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    When the subject of real status seeking chicks comes up, guys who’ve quickly moved on from women who flaked (standard PUA advice) will say they don’t exist (or they’re ready to spread their legs for an alpha who wouldn’t qualify on the standard status measurement system). They don’t count the women who flaked on them because they didn’t have the status or money because PUAs are supposed to just move on quickly when women flake and not analyze what happened or work to alter the flaking behavior.

    Or they figure they just need to get more game (not more money) so they won’t be rejected for not having money.

    It’s a positive feedback system that keeps the egos of poor low-status men buoyed so they’ll be game ready for the many women who are open to them (of which there are many, especially in regions where feminists have drilled it into women’s heads that they must remain financially independent of males).


    • YaReally
      on September 18, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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      “guys who’ve quickly moved on from women who flaked (standard PUA advice)”

      This is not standard PUA advice. You are an idiot.

      “because PUAs are supposed to just move on quickly when women flake and not analyze what happened or work to alter the flaking behavior.”

      Again this is bullshit. You are a fucktard.

      We write long-ass Field Reports figuring out why girls flaked and how to either recover and get the lay, or figure out how to prevent it in the future.

      The reason we conclude that money, looks etc aren’t important are because we are able to get girls who normally look for that stuff. I can’t even count the number of times girls have shown me their previous boyfriends and told me flat out that I’m not their type etc, and still gotten them. They’ll backwards-rationalize it all too. “Oh I don’t like those jersey shore muscle guys anymore, you’re cuddly I like that more!”

      Now if you’re talking about who she wants as a Provider so you can enter a legal contract that’s heavily biased against you and the future of your family/children, your finances, etc because you love to just roll the dice with your life, and you think there’s a specific type of girl who’s born without Hypergamy so you’ll be safe from her cheating on or leaving you because she’s “high-class”, then ya, good money and being high-class are super duper.

      But if that’s your goal, you have more Manosphere reading to do.



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Mark
on September 18, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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“Mystery’s game was designed to hit on strippers, minor celebrities, etc.”

I don’t know why strippers are always held up as such sex symbols. It might be true of Vegas strippers or strippers as portrayed in movies but I go to strip clubs a lot and most strippers I see are 30 year old slightly overweight single moms with too many tattoos. The stereotype of the sexy stripper doesn’t match the reality in most cases.


  • YaReally
    on September 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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    It’s not that they’re objectively the hottest girls (because I’ve been to some brutal stripclubs before lol). It’s that value-wise, they are in an environment where they are 1000000x higher-value than anyone else in that environment, and that’s their day to day lives. So to even register on their radar as not just another sucker customer, your game has to be tight.

    More on the “stripper obsession” here:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/3/#comment-heartiste-416030

    And ya, in bigger cities the strippers are hot as fuck on top of being in an environment where men drop their paychecks on them for scraps of their attention. Any stripper who’s smokin hot and good at her job usually realizes that the Tuesday afternoon shift in Podunk, Nowhere is a waste of her time compared to moving to a city like Vegas where literal millionaires are making it rain for girls like her. So Podunk gets stuck with the dregs.

    On top of it, a lot of stripclubs allow freelancers in…I’ve seen some nasty straight up spherical fatty strippers in places who don’t get to go up on the stage, but pay the DJ/management $20-50 and are allowed to work the crowd and do private dances and they travel city to city or club to club doing this.

    And I’ve seen guys going into the VIP room WITH those uggos lol it’s the most surreal thing ever…you’re surrounded by 8+ girls and you pick the fatty?? I figure aside from the chubby chasers, it’s a combination of the fatty being super aggressive in her sales tactics, and the guy being so beta and so socially conditioned not to be rude and say no and being so unentitled in his own mind to deserve the 10 (even when it’s her JOB to pretend to like him, he will literally never have the option to get near a girl like that in his life except there where its a 100% guarantee), that he caves and goes with the fatty in shame.



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on September 18, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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“Mystery’s game was designed to hit on strippers, minor celebrities, etc.”

I don’t know why strippers are always held up as such sex symbols. It might be true of Vegas strippers or strippers as portrayed in movies but I go to strip clubs a lot and most strippers I see are 30 year old slightly overweight single moms with too many tattoos. The stereotype of the sexy stripper doesn’t match the reality in most cases.


  • YaReally
    on September 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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    It’s not that they’re objectively the hottest girls (because I’ve been to some brutal stripclubs before lol). It’s that value-wise, they are in an environment where they are 1000000x higher-value than anyone else in that environment, and that’s their day to day lives. So to even register on their radar as not just another sucker customer, your game has to be tight.

    More on the “stripper obsession” here:

    http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/3/#comment-heartiste-416030

    And ya, in bigger cities the strippers are hot as fuck on top of being in an environment where men drop their paychecks on them for scraps of their attention. Any stripper who’s smokin hot and good at her job usually realizes that the Tuesday afternoon shift in Podunk, Nowhere is a waste of her time compared to moving to a city like Vegas where literal millionaires are making it rain for girls like her. So Podunk gets stuck with the dregs.

    On top of it, a lot of stripclubs allow freelancers in…I’ve seen some nasty straight up spherical fatty strippers in places who don’t get to go up on the stage, but pay the DJ/management $20-50 and are allowed to work the crowd and do private dances and they travel city to city or club to club doing this.

    And I’ve seen guys going into the VIP room WITH those uggos lol it’s the most surreal thing ever…you’re surrounded by 8+ girls and you pick the fatty?? I figure aside from the chubby chasers, it’s a combination of the fatty being super aggressive in her sales tactics, and the guy being so beta and so socially conditioned not to be rude and say no and being so unentitled in his own mind to deserve the 10 (even when it’s her JOB to pretend to like him, he will literally never have the option to get near a girl like that in his life except there where its a 100% guarantee), that he caves and goes with the fatty in shame.



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on September 18, 2013 at 8:58 pm
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YaReally: I read some of your archived comments and they definitely helped explain somethings I’ve seen in the past. Especially about the concept of displaying “intent” (chateau, is there an article about this?) …totally new to me. Thanks for that.

Question: I’ve been practicing and a situation came up where a girl I knew (A) approached me while I was talking with this girl in my class that I had just recently opened and talked to for about 20 minutes (B). I had already gotten (B) to invest (move with me to get food). I decided to engage (A) without introducing (B)…afterall, we had just met. I also wanted to play with the interaction to see what would happen. Before all of this, I would have introduced the two immediately. At a certain point – maybe 3 minutes – I decided to draw (B) into the conversation using a simple question and some eye contact. At this point (A) and (B) froze me out of the conversation with their eye contact while speaking. It was an odd sensation. I felt as though (A) was as upset about my decision..as (B). I feigned boredom, sat back, and relaxed. Then a guy friend of mine came up and we talked for a brief moment. This all asted no longer than about 10 minutes.

Immediately after this, in class I sat next to girl (B) and continued some convo. I unwittingly displayed “intent”/negged (can’t tell which you would consider it actually) by saying things like “oh it’s so cute how organized you are” and “oh you don’t know cursive? I’ll have to… teach you one day (she had incredible print handwriting, which I stated outright)” to gauge her response. Her replies were “I mean, I want to stay on top of things,” and “no, I wont even need it. Actually, I can do it, it’s just ugly,” respectively. No sort of playful repartee. She then engaged the dude sitting next to her for the next 15 minutes. I sat back and completely relaxed. Deep inside I felt a pang to engage….but I did not. Probably punishment for doing the same to her earlier. Instead, I drew some elaborate doodle art like a 3 year-old. 30 minutes later, during lecture she looks over my shoulder, glances into my eyes and says “hey, that looks really cool.” I replied “thanks” and did my best to stare mysteriously ahead with a smoldering look in my eyes, like the Dos Equis in a crowded room.

And the end of class, we parted with a few minutes of conversation and some witicisms on my part. I didn’t ask for her contact info because I felt I blombed the interaction.

Was it a sperg move not to immediately introduce her to my friends? Do you (anyone else in the comments please feel free to advise me) believe it is best to refrain from doing so in the future? Also were my negs/displays of “intent” idiotic/10 or passable. Share your dark wisdom


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2013 at 12:45 am
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    Quick guess, based on the info provided:

    (A) and (B) didn’t know who eachother were, or if they were competition or what, because you didn’t introduce them, so the eye-contact between them was to try to figure out if the other was your new GF/crush/whatever (not that (A) necessarily wants to bang you, but you did put them in a confusing situation by not introducing them).

    (B) talked to the dude to make you jealous and see what you’d do so she can figure out where she stands.

    When you didn’t react/chase, (B) used your doodle to get your attention again because you weren’t falling for the jealousy trap with the dude.

    (B)’s re-opening you about your doodle and chatting after class means she might bang you with some more work. If she had talked to the dude and ignored you from then on entirely, that would mean she’s not interested at all.

    Keep going with (B), it sounds like green lights so far. I don’t have much experience with classroom/school game, so I’d assume you should grab a # and push for a meet-up, but if you guys see eachother regularly as it is, you can build comfort/rapport in person like this incident and just grab the # later for arranging a private date/”study session”. Just remember if you go for the #, do it in “isolation” (ie – at lunch when it’s just you and her, vS in the classroom where your guys’ other classmates will see/overhear and trigger her ASD). There’s no need to grab a # if you’re going to see her in class every day…just keep being cool/witty/fun and building comfort/rapport and a flirty vibe and grab the # on a high note down the road a bit.

    Slightly spergy, but not necessarily in a bad way since it worked out alright lol. If (A) and (B) were dudes, you’d want to introduce (B) right away so he doesn’t feel like a retarded 3rd wheel and think you’re a sperg. Or if (A) and (B) were both female friends you didn’t want to bang, you’d want to introduce them. But because they’re both girls you would (I assume) probably bang if the opportunity came up, it just creates a funny dynamic so it’s all good lol

    I guess it’s technically a neg, but the more important part is that it’s a Statement of Interest…ie – you’re implying you’ll be hanging out with her in private sometime. It’s not really a make or break event either way…she was coming off the weirdness of the lunch thing so she was just being snippy with the non-playfulness about her hand-writing at that point.

    Good luck!



“I believe a burp is an EXCELLENT neg”

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byronicmate
on September 18, 2013 at 8:58 pm
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YaReally: I read some of your archived comments and they definitely helped explain somethings I’ve seen in the past. Especially about the concept of displaying “intent” (chateau, is there an article about this?) …totally new to me. Thanks for that.

Question: I’ve been practicing and a situation came up where a girl I knew (A) approached me while I was talking with this girl in my class that I had just recently opened and talked to for about 20 minutes (B). I had already gotten (B) to invest (move with me to get food). I decided to engage (A) without introducing (B)…afterall, we had just met. I also wanted to play with the interaction to see what would happen. Before all of this, I would have introduced the two immediately. At a certain point – maybe 3 minutes – I decided to draw (B) into the conversation using a simple question and some eye contact. At this point (A) and (B) froze me out of the conversation with their eye contact while speaking. It was an odd sensation. I felt as though (A) was as upset about my decision..as (B). I feigned boredom, sat back, and relaxed. Then a guy friend of mine came up and we talked for a brief moment. This all asted no longer than about 10 minutes.

Immediately after this, in class I sat next to girl (B) and continued some convo. I unwittingly displayed “intent”/negged (can’t tell which you would consider it actually) by saying things like “oh it’s so cute how organized you are” and “oh you don’t know cursive? I’ll have to… teach you one day (she had incredible print handwriting, which I stated outright)” to gauge her response. Her replies were “I mean, I want to stay on top of things,” and “no, I wont even need it. Actually, I can do it, it’s just ugly,” respectively. No sort of playful repartee. She then engaged the dude sitting next to her for the next 15 minutes. I sat back and completely relaxed. Deep inside I felt a pang to engage….but I did not. Probably punishment for doing the same to her earlier. Instead, I drew some elaborate doodle art like a 3 year-old. 30 minutes later, during lecture she looks over my shoulder, glances into my eyes and says “hey, that looks really cool.” I replied “thanks” and did my best to stare mysteriously ahead with a smoldering look in my eyes, like the Dos Equis in a crowded room.

And the end of class, we parted with a few minutes of conversation and some witicisms on my part. I didn’t ask for her contact info because I felt I blombed the interaction.

Was it a sperg move not to immediately introduce her to my friends? Do you (anyone else in the comments please feel free to advise me) believe it is best to refrain from doing so in the future? Also were my negs/displays of “intent” idiotic/10 or passable. Share your dark wisdom


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2013 at 12:45 am
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    Quick guess, based on the info provided:

    (A) and (B) didn’t know who eachother were, or if they were competition or what, because you didn’t introduce them, so the eye-contact between them was to try to figure out if the other was your new GF/crush/whatever (not that (A) necessarily wants to bang you, but you did put them in a confusing situation by not introducing them).

    (B) talked to the dude to make you jealous and see what you’d do so she can figure out where she stands.

    When you didn’t react/chase, (B) used your doodle to get your attention again because you weren’t falling for the jealousy trap with the dude.

    (B)’s re-opening you about your doodle and chatting after class means she might bang you with some more work. If she had talked to the dude and ignored you from then on entirely, that would mean she’s not interested at all.

    Keep going with (B), it sounds like green lights so far. I don’t have much experience with classroom/school game, so I’d assume you should grab a # and push for a meet-up, but if you guys see eachother regularly as it is, you can build comfort/rapport in person like this incident and just grab the # later for arranging a private date/”study session”. Just remember if you go for the #, do it in “isolation” (ie – at lunch when it’s just you and her, vS in the classroom where your guys’ other classmates will see/overhear and trigger her ASD). There’s no need to grab a # if you’re going to see her in class every day…just keep being cool/witty/fun and building comfort/rapport and a flirty vibe and grab the # on a high note down the road a bit.

    Slightly spergy, but not necessarily in a bad way since it worked out alright lol. If (A) and (B) were dudes, you’d want to introduce (B) right away so he doesn’t feel like a retarded 3rd wheel and think you’re a sperg. Or if (A) and (B) were both female friends you didn’t want to bang, you’d want to introduce them. But because they’re both girls you would (I assume) probably bang if the opportunity came up, it just creates a funny dynamic so it’s all good lol

    I guess it’s technically a neg, but the more important part is that it’s a Statement of Interest…ie – you’re implying you’ll be hanging out with her in private sometime. It’s not really a make or break event either way…she was coming off the weirdness of the lunch thing so she was just being snippy with the non-playfulness about her hand-writing at that point.

    Good luck!



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burke
on September 16, 2013 at 7:46 am
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“Think along the lines of filling her ear with an innocent story from your past, a story about an illicit liaison that stayed quiet because you could be trusted.”

you can gain a reputation as a ‘trustworthy’ cheat partner. girls talk, but if you don’t, ever– and then i assume if you get some positive buzz on performance– they will seriously relax the resistance they feel about being found out as a slut.

so i think this approach is just right. don’t be too “it’ll be our secret” it’s more along the lines of “my business is my business”. you know the attitude though so you’re probably fine. just need opportunity.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 10:43 am
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    This.

    Don’t tell her details about fucking her friend or any other girls, keep everything in vague terms. ie – you can talk about loving to throat-fuck girls, but you don’t say “I love throat-fucking BFF, she’s such a kinky bitch”

    And like burke says, don’t make it a coaxing/begging “it’ll be our secret” thing. It’s just your biz is your biz, you don’t share details with people. She’ll extrapolate that it’s safe.

    From there CH has the formula down. I would add in 2 weeks of radio silence before arranging a situation where you’re both together, ideally at a party of some sort, where you have the logistics to isolate her and escalate.

    A girls biggest fear is judgement.

    The txting was solid btw. Well done and way to push your comfort zone. We all had to do the same at some point lol


    • Lucky White Male
      on September 16, 2013 at 11:28 am
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      Why the 2 wks of radio silence, wouldn’t you want to arrange the isolation as soon as possible to take advantage of her horniness


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm
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        Because she’s not ACTUALLY horny. I think a lot of people don’t get that lol

        She’s just talking about sex because he’s set the frame that it’s okay. I think a lot of guys here probably don’t go very sexual with girls so they haven’t seen a girl talk like this. It’s just a validation trap. She wants him to think she’s horny so he’ll go “okay let’s meet up!!” and then she gets his validation. She won’t ACTUALLY let him come over and fuck her or anything.

        This is a really common trap, especially with hot girls, and most guys fall for it, including myself until I started recognizing it. It doesn’t mean they’re sluts or horny or even fucking anyone in general. I know girls who will be like “I’m sooo horny I want your cock so bad babe :( :( ” and as soon as I txt back “where you at?”, they go radio silent and the next day they’re all “sorry babe my phone died, I really wanted to see you :( :( ” And then you go “okay let’s hang out Wednesday.” “okay!! god I can’t wait, I want to fuck you so bad!” And then Wednesday comes and she “falls asleep” and flakes.

        It goes on and on and on until you do something to completely fuck with her world and the validation conveyor belt you’ve helped her set up: like ignore her completely. :)


        • immoralgables
          on September 16, 2013 at 9:27 pm
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          Yo Ya, I know this is on some meta-level shit and detracting from the thread, but I haven’t seen you answer it before.

          At what point did you feel like you mastered this area of your life?
          Was it a sudden realization? A certain caliber of girl? Constant positive feed-back?

          When that happened, did you relax with it? Curious as to how you recognized “Yeah, this area of my life is handled now.”


          • YaReally
            on September 18, 2013 at 3:59 pm
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            This is a tricky question to answer lol

            I don’t consider myself a master, but I do consider myself competent and, realistically, I have a better conscious understanding of game than most people. In my mind, I’ll always be a student. There are always new goals to strive for, girls who I click better with, etc.

            But I would say the main major milestone that was important to me and was the complete shift in my mentality, was when I realized that sex was now, forever, an actual option for me.

            When I was a beta AFC virgin 23yo, sex was simply something other people had. In my mind I’d fantasize about how many one day a cute girl would be hired at work and we’d flirt and over time go out on a date and she’d be my girlfriend and one day we’d have sex etc. But realistically I felt completely not in control of that, and was just pinging off whatever the universe let me have.

            Now, even if I stopped going out entirely, I would still eventually be able to get laid. If I stop going out, it might not be with 7+ girls because my skills will get rusty and everything…but I’ve crossed the point to where the concept of going years without sex is completely foreign to me now. So to me, there’s a security and control of my life in that that I didn’t have before.

            The point that happened was the first time I turned down sex from a 7+ girl lol The first time I went “no, you know what? This chick isn’t worth it. I’m actively choosing NOT to fuck her despite knowing she wants to fuck me”. I would never have done that at 23. Now I turn down a LOT of girls, because I have personal goals in terms of the types of women I want. But the first time I did it, I’m not sure I can even really remember which girl or which time it was…but I know that was a big mental shift into abundance.

            “When that happened, did you relax with it?”

            I would say I stressed about it less. I didn’t necessarily stop going out or stop talking to girls, tho I did slow up on that…but it’s like when you try to get in shape, at first you might workout daily, but once you’re in shape you can kind of chill and just maintain it.

            Right now I’m at a point where I’ve taken a couple years of chilling and I’ve had a primary girlfriend. So I was still going out and approaching and getting laid, but just casually on weekends, and I don’t have as much free time having a GF I have to put time in with and all.

            But I think my relationship with her is naturally coming to an end, and personally, I have some game/life goals I still want to achieve before I’m 35. So I’m slowly starting to ramp my effort back up and take gaming a bit more seriously. I expect to see crazy results over the next couple years.

            Because the reality is that game is a lot like working out. If you stop working out and get lax with your diet here and there, you can still look GOOD. But you’re not going to look AMAZING. You’re not going to have that chiseled 6-pack and jacked up muscles without hitting the gym hard. And that’s cool, that’s totally fine, for most normal guys that’s enough. Long as you’re happy, you have my full support.

            But if you want that 6-pack, you have to hit the gym. There’s no way around it. If you want a harem of smokin’ hotties and to have crazy-tight game skills that let you own a room like a boss, you need to hit the field and actively sarge and not just go out drinking with the boys without approaching (unless your lifestyle is built around meeting women, like being a model photographer, working in a social job like bartending, etc.).

            Now at points in your life, you might achieve that 6-pack and go “ahhh, that was awesome…but I blew all my $ on protein shakes and shit to get here, so I gotta’ work on my finances.” Or maybe you run into a new hobby or whatever. You may consciously choose “right now, having a ripped 6-pack isn’t that important to me, I want to handle some other shit” and slack off.

            That’s totally FINE…as long as you understand that, if you let yourself grow to 300lbs, you’re going to have to hit the gym hard again.

            Generally what I find works best is to just tone going out down…tone it down to once a week, or a couple nights every two weeks. Just head out to a bar or social event with some buddies. Approach if you feel like it, but don’t stress it too much…just keep yourself in a social groove being out and about with people and interacting with strangers and girls. And make whatever your new priority is, your main focus.

            But accept that, if that’s the mode you’re in, your skills will deteriorate a bit, just like you’ll lose that 6-pack, and you may run into that perfect 10 and choke completely because you haven’t approached in 6 months, or forgot how to smoothly grab a number, or how to deal with shit-tests, etc. And you won’t get her. And you’ll probably be okay, life will go on, there will be other girls.

            But you have to consciously understand and accept this instead of deluding yourself into thinking you’re still going to be a top-dawg bawse when you aren’t putting in the effort/focus consistently…it’s the same as the 35yo woman who deludes herself into thinking she hasn’t hit the wall and is running around in booty shorts lol

            So take some time off if you want, it’s cool. Whatever your goals are, work toward them. Right now your goal may not be pickup related. Don’t drop it entirely, the same way you wouldn’t drop going to the gym or eating healthy entirely, but don’t feel guilty for taking a break…just understand that that 6-pack will be under a layer of fat down the road. ;)



burke
on September 16, 2013 at 7:50 am
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need to _create_ opportunity to be alone, that is. she is ready in my opinion. there is endless fodder for essentially (not literally probably, but who knows anymore) calling her a dick tease if she’s reluctant, without actually sounding bitter. more along the lines of being exasperated by her and lumping her into the masses like an “oh god, you’re on of those” kind of feel.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 10:58 am
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    “need to _create_ opportunity to be alone, that is”

    Also this. My only issue with the txting is that he’s leaving the ball in her court. “Do something”. Like she going to go “okay come over and fuck me”. She will never ever ever do it. She’s not being a cocktease, Knowbody just isn’t taking the reins and leading.

    That’s not to say that she’ll meet up if he DOES try. She won’t cause her ASD is thru the roof at this point (the issue with too much sexual texting before banging…I tend to cross the line once to show I want to fuck her, but then back off and let her ASD cool down and arrange hanging out in a non-sexual way, where she can tell her brain “we’re just getting drinks”, not “I’m choosing to be a slut and go suck his dick”).

    Anyway, start figuring out how to CREATE a situation where you two will be together, in a platonic group setting without BFF there ideally, and where you’ll have the logistical advantage of easy isolation.

    An example would be arranging a group night out partying, where BFF is out of town or busy and flakes (tricky to separate the two of them)…mmmmmmaybe even, if you couldn’t get her out without BFF, have them both out at the bar and pick a fight with BFF and piss her off so she goes home but the friend stays. And then having the “after party” at your place with you, the friend, a good wingman who knows to fuck off and give you guys privacy or to distract the rest of the group while you isolate the friend, and ideally a girl for your friend so she’s not the only chick coming back…also good to flirt with the other girl to make her jealous and wider if you actually want to fuck her or not.

    Then call the friend into the kitchen to help you pour drinks, pin her against the kitchen wall and make out for a second then end the kiss first and leave her hanging while you bring drinks to everyone. Chill for a bit, be cool, eyefuck her, then when she goes to the bathroom wait a couple minutes then say you’re grabbing a drink and go stand in the hallway outside the bathroom door. Soon as she comes out, pin her against the wall and escalate HARD. Wrap her let around you, pull her hair as you bite her neck, put her hand on the bulge of your pants, and then pull her into your bedroom and don’t hesitate, just get to fucking eachother. The rest of the group will let it happen because no one wants to interrupt lol and if your buddy has a girl out there, he’ll probably get laid cause she’ll get horny knowing two people are fucking in the apartment.

    If you end up at someone else’s apartment, same basic plan but pull to the stairwell in the hallway or something and fuck there. And the best buildup to all this is a couple weeks of radio silence before the “hey we’re having a party, come out tonight” plans…she’s more likely to come out if she thought she lost your interest than if you’re sexting her daily.

    The point is you have to make it happen.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:14 am
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    “she is ready in my opinion.”

    She is, but it comes down to isolation, logistics, and actually getting her to come out, which is tricky with her ASD firing on all cylinders right now. She knows meeting up alone = sex so she won’t do it.

    RSDJulien’s first analogy in this clip is VITAL to understand:

    RSDJulien on logistics:

    “calling her a dick tease if she’s reluctant, without actually sounding bitter. more along the lines of being exasperated by her and lumping her into the masses like an “oh god, you’re on of those” kind of feel.”

    nooooooooooo don’t do this. This is challenging her to take the lead. She cannot take the lead because her ASD is firing PLUS her BFF dynamics. This would be like someone saying to you “oh what, you aren’t going to play Russian roulette with this handgun? Oh you’re one of THOSE…” No amount of teasing/challenging will make you play Russian roulette. Stick to telling her its just a water-gun lol


    • Hunter
      on September 16, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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      Sigh I always made the same mistake. I ignore the friends and just escalate on the girl lol. I know now that’s OBVIOUSLY a bad move. And to think I’ve already seen this video, just never practiced game at the time.


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 9:18 pm
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        lol that’s what a lot of guys do. Straight-up, old-school Mystery Method “group theory” is still THE definitive guide to working the friends and making them okay with you fucking their friend. If you haven’t looked into it, I HIGHLY recommend you do:

        It’s mixed into all of Mystery’s stuff, but this video covers chunks of it. Learn to make the friends love you and they’ll HELP you bang her. ’cause you can go in and escalate hard on just her, and ya, you can get a makeout, but they won’t let you take her home lol



Kim du Toit
on September 16, 2013 at 8:11 am
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Knowbody: Heartiste got it right, first time. This one’s a cockteaser. Don’t try to close this one until AFTER you’re done with the BFF. She’s playing you. As a general rule, unmarried women don’t risk losing BFFs with random men (after they’re married, it’s a whole different story, believe me).

How to turn this around: she MAY be feeding all this to her BFF, or planning to do so at some point. (Never underestimate the weasel nature of women.) When the BFF confronts you with “I know you’ve been text-flirting with her!” will be the giveaway. Response: “Hey, I was just teasing her. But you know she sexted me AND agreed to set up a 3-some with me, right?”

My advice: quit texting her altogether. Getting enmeshed in female network ratholes is worse than playing chess on acid. Little Miss Cockteaser might actually set up a 3-some with you, and bring her BFF to the party, just to see the look on your (and BFF’s) face.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:18 am
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    “When the BFF confronts you with “I know you’ve been text-flirting with her!” will be the giveaway. Response: “Hey, I was just teasing her. But you know she sexted me AND agreed to set up a 3-some with me, right?””

    This is denying instead of agreeing and controlling the frame, AND this is putting the blame/responsibility on the friend which is all telling your girl that if she ever slips up you’ll blame her for being a slut because you just did that to her friend.

    Don’t deny it. There ain’t no ring on your finger lol You aren’t married to this girl and she knows you’re a flirt. If she accuses you of flirting with her friend just agree & amplify like usual. “Ya. She’s hot. We should have a 3-some.”

    This is not a situation that should blow up in your face at all, as long as you stay congruent to being the sexual adventure guy.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:21 am
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    “My advice: quit texting her altogether. Getting enmeshed in female network ratholes is worse than playing chess on acid”

    lol no. That’s like giving up on a math problem because it requires a calculator. Who cares? Blow the rathole up. You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked, that’s her Next’ing you.



immoralgables
on September 16, 2013 at 8:32 am
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I give OP much credit for pushing his boundaries on this one. Sure, he went over into overgaming territory there and it probably pushed him further from his goal.

Good on him though to try it out. I’m sure it was an eye-opening experience for him.

OP, one piece of advice. Take the path of least resistance. At some point you may feel like you need to crank up the text exchange a notch or two or three……you don’t though. You may be surprised that when the girl is into you, you’d be better of playing it safe and low-key and just pushing for the meet-up asap.

On the other hand, if value isn’t assumed, then it’s a good strategy to push those emotional buttons and get her invested one way or another. Then again, you’d be surprised in the future at the times where all you had to do was be your normal self versus blowing up the account by trying to enhance the text exchange.


  • ‘Reality’ Doug
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:45 am
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    I agree that overshooting is part of entering new territory, IG. However, I think that overshooting is the fastest way to find the edge of possibilities and the optimal path. I have experimented instead of going directly for the lay because I want lays to come easily. It’s all fascinating. It’s not spergy if it’s calibrated to reality and made effective. I think Reader Knowbody is beating around the bush. When his target texts about working from on top, escalate. Duh. “So why are we texting so much?” Her: “blah, blah.” “1 orgasm >>> million texts” Then she either works out logistics then and there, or you maintain frame and have planted the seed in her hamster reality. “I’m livin for value, sweatheart.” “Ain’t gonna suck itself.” For God’s sake make her make the decision! A-I-D-A: attention, interest, DECISION, action. If you maintain frame on DECISION, she will almost certainly take action sooner or later. It is your maximum chance and also least costly approach. You are gaming in parallel anyway. Let her make her ‘choice’ of when, adjusted to your schedule obviously.


    • YaReally
      on September 16, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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      “I agree that overshooting is part of entering new territory, IG. However, I think that overshooting is the fastest way to find the edge of possibilities and the optimal path.”

      Yup. When a baby learns to walk it stands up and takes a few steps and falls to the left. Then it gets up and takes a few steps and falls to the right. Eventually it learns the optimal balance. In some cases that baby grows up to do parkour and gymnastics.

      This is part of why you need an abundance mentality and to go out and approach a lot…so you can push your boundaries and take risks and risk not getting the lay, for the sake of learning.

      If this guy was terrified to fuck up the possible lay with the friend and/or terrified to risk fucking up his current fuckbuddy situ with the BFF, he wouldn’t have pushed like this. And if he didn’t, he wouldn’t have gained this insight into the female mind.

      I even know guys who do pickup and get laid a lot who don’t FULLY understand female sexuality and how far you can push this stuff. Like they still play it a bit safer (and thus less efficient) than they need to and I know they can’t understand when I explain it to them because its not a part of their experience/reality yet like it now is for this guy who’s stumbled across a new mental shift by txting this girl. I only know this stuff because I pushed like crazy and I’ve done all sorts of fucked up stuff that’s gone too far and has lost me lays with some girls, but gained me a shitload of knowledge and calibration like the kid who grew up to explore parkour.



RappaccinisDaughter
on September 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
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Dear Knowbody:

This isn’t about you. This is about her playing the Alpha Bitch game with her “BFF.” Oh, don’t get me wrong; she may very well have sex with you if you get her alone. But it won’t be because you’re an alpha or that she can’t control her attraction to you—although she will certainly frame it that way when she tells her bestie. (Notice I said “when,” not “if.”) It will be because this is a chance to stab her girlfriend in the back.

This sort of thing, by the way, is why so many of my close friends are gay men.


  • Lily
    on September 16, 2013 at 9:18 am
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    “This sort of thing, by the way, is why so many of my close friends are gay men.”

    This sort of thing is why I never tell my close friends too many private details. I know most of their dirty laundry, where they know almost none of mine.

    We girls like to talk a lot, but I’ve learned that if you don’t want to get burned, keep your mouth shut; share only superficial info. Very sensitive stuff I keep private.


    • Zombie Shane
      on September 16, 2013 at 10:11 am
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      > “This sort of thing is why I never tell my close friends too many private details. I know most of their dirty laundry, where they know almost none of mine.”

      Lemme guess – they’re all a bunch of blond-haired blue-eyed sorority-girl Shiksa dimwits?

      Filthy stinking j^wish whore.

      With friends like you, who needs a knife in the back?


      • Lara
        on September 16, 2013 at 11:11 am
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        Calm down. If her endless commenting on this site is any indication, I doubt she’s very discreet about her personal life.


        • Lily
          on September 16, 2013 at 11:48 am
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          Actually, I’m very discreet. And, I encourage everyone to be more so. Unfortunately, many friendships go sour, even the closest ones. Then, people turn on each other, as most don’t feel loyalty. We women, have a tendency to share too much with our GFs because it feels good. If you give into this, keep in mind it can all come back to haunt you one day. I only needed one experience to teach me this fact.

          Interestingly enough, despite my unwillingness to share too much private stuff, I have very close friendships, and that’s because I will not reveal what anyone tells me either. Most of my friends know I am like Fort Knox. There is nothing worse than a person who is a friend in your face and you feel they could be trusted, and then goes around and tells everyone what you told him or her in confidence. Lack of ethics is what I call it.

          The worst thing is a GF who knows you like a guy, and then she also tries to get his attention just because she knows you like him. All of a sudden, he piques her interest too. The best thing is just keep quiet about your feelings. Don’t show anyone your personal texting.

          As far as men, I haven’t dated a man who hasn’t been appreciative of the fact I don’t tell my GFs all the private details of our relationship. I think men understand the importance and benefits of privacy more than women do. I don’t think men like blabbermouths.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 11:57 am
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            Your LiveJournal entry was a fascinating read. Thanks for sharing!!!! <3 <3


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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            “Don’t u guys act as if only your opinions matter?”

            “Oh come on, NASA scientists! YOU guys talk about how to design the next space shuttle all day, why don’t you want me writing 10 paragraphs talking about how I want the rockets to have a cup holder for my Starbucks coffee???? WHY DONT YOU CARE ABOUT MY OPINION I AM A WOMAN AND A SPECIAL PRINCESS AND MY OPINION MATTERS ON EVERYTHING!!”


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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            And with that, I’ve wasted enough of today lol work-time for me. Have fun girls, please let us know what you think about K-Stew’s breakup!! Do you think they’ll get back together?? How did it make you feel? THAT’S the important question!


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:29 am
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    “she may very well have sex with you if you get her alone.”

    She will.

    “But it won’t be because you’re an alpha”

    She wouldn’t do it of he was a beta. It doesn’t have to be the primary reason, but she’s not having this convo with Bob the schlubs from accounting.

    “or that she can’t control her attraction to you”

    She can’t. Attraction is not a choice. Again, it doesn’t have to be the primary reason, but it’s a factor.

    “when she tells her bestie. (Notice I said “when,” not “if.”)”

    o noes!! OP might make drama for some girls. He’d better not try to fuck this girl then…girls hate drama and gentlemen don’t dare make girls angry at them!! lol

    Video on hitting on your girls’ friends:


    • RappaccinisDaughter
      on September 16, 2013 at 12:09 pm
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      “o noes!! OP might make drama for some girls. He’d better not try to fuck this girl then…girls hate drama and gentlemen don’t dare make girls angry at them!! lol”

      When did I say he couldn’t or shouldn’t fuck her? Or that girls hate drama? Girls LOVE drama…but some men don’t. Especially not the smart ones. And I’d say the chances are quite good that this little drama is about to turn into a shitshow that splatters the OP as liberally as the female players.

      YaReally, you’ve done a lot of posting on how to juggle multiple partners, including married/”taken” women, and how to keep that from impacting you. And when what’s going on is indeed about you, then yes, your advice is quite sound and should work. When it’s about women trying to fuck each other over, though…you might wind up as collateral damage in their little war.

      You’ve always shown a remarkable amount of insight into how women interact with men, Ya…but I don’t know how much you know about how we interact with each other. I think even you might be shocked.


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 12:50 pm
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        “When it’s about women trying to fuck each other over, though…you might wind up as collateral damage in their little war.”

        This is like worrying about being “collateral damage” from giving a cookie to one 5 year old, and risking that the other 5 year old might get upset and they might fight about it. It’s so beneath giving a shit about that its ridiculous to even entertain the notion that he should care. He’s not married to one of these girls, he doesn’t have 3 kids with one of them, he’s a single guy fucking girls who want to fuck him.

        “I don’t know how much you know about how we interact with each other. I think even you might be shocked.”

        I know a shitload. I just also know its completely not relevant in any meaningful way to anyone except the girls involved. It is to you, in your world, because you’re a girl and suffer from the usual chick solipsism where it’s mind-blowing to you that “how you interact with other girls” would be irrelevant to people.

        But to a man it’s all ridiculous nonsense because we know that when the attraction is there, you will revert to running on instinct and follow your default programming game is designed to tap into, and just backwards-hamster-rationalize your actions later. That’s why your chick-drama-dynamics don’t matter. They only matter until you want to fuck the guy.


        • RappaccinisDaughter
          on September 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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          Chick-drama dynamics don’t *always* matter, Ya, but when they do…they really do. I’ve seen it happen. Usually it’s worst when it’s a tight-knit social circle. It’ll go like this:

          Dude A and Chick B are screwing. Chick B and Chick C are frenemies. Chick C gets mad at Chick B (usually for a bizarre bullshit reason) and gets a shot at Dude A, whom she fucks. Chick C hangs onto this knowledge until just the right moment, and then drops the bomb on Chick B. Chick B and Chick C spend the next three weeks upending the social circle with drama. Then they get drunk together and are all kissy-kissy BFFs. They decide it’s all Dude A’s fault and proceed to spread rumors and lies about Dude A all among their mutual friends.

          If you’ve never had the dubious joy of watching this Grand Guignol unfold before your eyes, then you’re a lucky man indeed.

          Now, if the OP is sort of an outsider to that circle, then yes, it’s probably not going to wind up affecting him one way or the other.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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            “Dude A and Chick B are screwing. Chick B and Chick C are frenemies. Chick C gets mad at Chick B (usually for a bizarre bullshit reason) and gets a shot at Dude A, whom she fucks. Chick C hangs onto this knowledge until just the right moment, and then drops the bomb on Chick B. Chick B and Chick C spend the next three weeks upending the social circle with drama. Then they get drunk together and are all kissy-kissy BFFs. They decide it’s all Dude A’s fault and proceed to spread rumors and lies about Dude A all among their mutual friends.”

            So basically Dude A gets to back Chick B and Chick C seeks him out to seduce and bang him. And while Dude A is banging Chicks Y and Z because he has other girls on the go, Chick A and B put themselves thru a bunch of retarded emotional rollercoasters and when Dude A comes out of the haze of banging Chicks Y and Z, Chicks A and B tell him they won’t bang him anymore. He laughs “okay” and the next time he brings Chick Z to a party, Chicks A and B get jealous and both try to fuck him again.

            Ya, chick dynamics TOTALLY matter. He should probably draw up a flow-chart of how Chick A and and B feel and read their Facebook updates daily.



Amy
on September 16, 2013 at 9:09 am
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Seriously? They’re both a turnoff from beginning to end. I literally laughed out loud when he complains her texting was getting a little too unladylike. Lol! Understatement of the week.

Knowbody: she’s up for anything and it won’t take much more to get her there.


  • corvinus
    on September 16, 2013 at 9:39 am
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    Knowbody: she’s up for anything and it won’t take much more to get her there.

    Yeah… he should’ve thrown “tits or gtfo” in there at some point instead of continually bsing with her until it died.


    • Amy
      on September 16, 2013 at 9:56 am
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      Exactly, she’s not much of a challenge. Or just tell her she’s all talk no action, she’ll deny but escalate, dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.

      Even better, when she texts him she’s on her way over, he can tell her he’s out and make her wait outside his door. Lol


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 11:32 am
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        “Exactly, she’s not much of a challenge. Or just tell her she’s all talk no action, she’ll deny but escalate, dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.”

        This is why you don’t listen to women on how to pick up women. Jesus. Ignore all of this. This is just retarded female cattiness hamster masturbation in text form. Getting knocked the fuck out by Mike Tyson doesn’t make you qualified to teach someone how to box.


        • Amy
          on September 16, 2013 at 11:40 am
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          Wow, that’s really interesting since one of my player guy friends has done exactly this (first time sex) and it worked. Lol

          You’re missing a basic fact here— she is slutty. She’s sexting her BFF’s guy. If this type of girl is really a challenge to you, well….


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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            “Wow, that’s really interesting since one of my player guy friends has done exactly this (first time sex) and it worked. Lol”

            No shit. So have I. This isn’t the same situation. “well that’s interesting, I pressed the gas pedal in my car and it went forward. So you should just press the gas pedal when your car is set in Reverse and it’ll go forward Lololllol”

            “You’re missing a basic fact here— she is slutty.”

            This is just catty bullshit. The same thing fat chicks do when a hotter girl walks in the room. Or a beta calling a player an asshole.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 1:17 pm
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            “Telling her, she’s all talk no action, or just a tease, probably will work on her.”

            How many women have you fucked? If the answer is less than 5, quit talking about what “probably will work”. Yes, women can be keyboard jockeys too.

            “When are you going to admit that some girls do indeed expect to be courted/wooed before they simply sleep with a guy, no matter how smooth expert PUA he is?”

            And let me guess, you just happen to be one of those girls. Not like those other slutty whores.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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            “The key was in her aggressive sexting;”

            She’s not aggressively sexting him. She’s teasing him. There is a difference to people who don’t have Aspergers.


        • BuenaVista
          on September 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm
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          Actually, most of the women I know and date behave as Amy describes. When I receive those IOI’s, I play dumb, they escalate, I challenge (“promises, promises”), they escalate, they text the shit out of me, I ignore 4 out of 5, they escalate. Then if it’s interesting, I take them out, spend an hour or two being Gregory Peck, and its sexy time: all very civilized and low-stress. (With former girlfriends, there isn’t even any innuendo: it’s nude selfies.) Women love these little phones. My first hard and fast rule is: if there is any sexy talk, it means “Fuck me.” Second rule: if there is a steady rhythm of periodic nonsexy mundane texts, it means “Fuck me.” What else could it mean? Guess what: if they don’t want to fuck you, and you are not in the friendzone being their wallet-on-two-legs, *they’re not going to text you.*

          I think the key insight here is that texting medium is so “safe” for a woman who walks around otherwise asserting an anti-slut posture. The medium allows them to chase and signal intention and deny that it’s real, I guess. Again, my cohort is the over-30, “good girl” crowd, so they tend to be short on time and longer on confidence. They also live public lives of seeming respectability. Sometimes I get the impression that the 25 year-olds would text themselves all day long if someone would create an app for that.

          Again, whenever I get a text, I ask myself: “Well. That’s interesting. What’s the real message here. Does she really want to know how my weekend is going? Or does she really want to know if I’m spending the weekend within 50 miles of her and am I available in approximately 57 minutes? What do I think about seeing her. Hmm.” If I’m interested I ask her out for a drink or a museum stroll and, then, you know, fun times.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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            “they escalate, they text the shit out of me, I ignore 4 out of 5, they escalate. Then if it’s interesting, I take them out, spend an hour or two being Gregory Peck, and its sexy time”

            So basically you go radio silent, then get them out, remove judgement/consequence, isolate, and escalate. That’s exactly what’s being recommended for handling this situation lol

            And that’s NOT the same as “dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.” which forces her to ignore a shitload of instinctive programming and lead the interaction to sex. You taking a girl out is not the equivalent of her coming over naked…in your scenario you’re handling and diffusing her ASD. Amy’s friend probably instinctively did the same. Amy’s silly advice goes against the girl’s social programming, is uncalibrated, and she simply thinks it’ll work because she’s judging the girl as a slut.


          • YaReally
            on September 16, 2013 at 9:00 pm
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            “I’m really of two minds about your raincoat stratagem. Probably would have worked with several of the women in my life, and for the reason you state: it would have enabled their impulsivity, allowed them the “it just happened” excuse.”

            Just to make my point clear in all this, the raincoat thing is GREAT. It’s a fun thing, I’ve done it with girls, I’ll do it again with girls. I have them do all sorts of kinky fucked up shit.

            And I (and buddies I’ve known who have a similar vibe to me) do this with “good girls” who put on their complete angel persona for guys who don’t have my congruent sexual vibe, and those guys and their social circles etc. have no idea she was just blowing me in the stairwell when we stepped out for a few minutes.

            My issue is that right NOW, at THIS point in his pickup, with THIS girl, in THIS situation, this is NOT a good move and would be a complete and total miracle fluke if it worked. Because she has not fucked him yet. They’re still early in the pickup, where he hasn’t had his dick inside her. The dynamics are different at this stage VS having a fuckbuddy do it. He also hasn’t diffused her ASD, made sure she knows she won’t have consequences etc., which is what she needs to do it. Amy’s player buddy (and myself when I do this), handle that stuff via txt or over the phone or in the initial interaction etc., so we can get the girl to do stuff like that.

            In THIS situation, this guy has NOT aligned the chess pieces right for a check-mate. They’re still scattered around the board…they’re closer to a winning play than a lot of guys would get, especially Bob the beta from accounting, but they’re still not in line for this.

            And while BuenaVista’s game style of not triggering ASD at all IS a solid play, this pickup is past that point so he has to work with the path he’s on, her ASD is already HEAVILY triggered so Buena’s method doesn’t really apply directly here because the situation is already well on it’s way down a different path.


    • YaReally
      on September 16, 2013 at 11:30 am
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      “there at some point instead of continually bsing with her until it died.”

      No. This is a completely uncalibrated hail-Mary that won’t work and is just a signal of being frustrated/desperate that she won’t put out easily. Don’t do this. This is bull in a china shop shit.


      • corvinus
        on September 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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        I was being facetious — my point was that he should have tried closing more quickly.


        • YaReally
          on September 16, 2013 at 1:24 pm
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          lol ya I was thinking the same thing when I first read the txts. “Quit this back and forth shit, push for the meet-up already!!” But reading the rest of the situation, where he’s already fucking her BFF etc, that shit automatically makes things trickier is all.

          I wrote a bit above about ultimatums…”tits or GTFO” with a horny single girl who’s in your bedroom with no one knowing or going to find out and giving a bit of token resistance but she’s attracted = an ultimatum between “fun” or “no run” (positive reward or nothing). “Tits or GTFO” via txt when she’s BFFs with a girl he’s banging etc etc = an ultimatum between “drama” or “no drama” (negative consequence or nothing).

          In the former, she’ll choose the reward over nothing. In the latter she’ll choose nothing over a consequence.


  • Lara
    on September 16, 2013 at 10:09 am
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    I agree. This conversation is idiotic from beginning to end. Anyway, there are few things in this world less sexy than reading other people’s sex texting.


    • YaReally
      on September 16, 2013 at 11:36 am
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      “Anyway, there are few things in this world less sexy than reading other people’s sex texting.”

      So quit wasting comment space here and go read 50 Shades of Grey. We’re teaching men how to get better with women and fix their sex lives here, not writing porn for you to rub one out to.

      No one gives a shit whether this conversation is sexy enough for you and no one wants to read you girls cat-fighting with eachother.


      • Amy
        on September 16, 2013 at 12:28 pm
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        Lol you’re the one cat-fighting with everyone today… we girls get along fine. ;)


        • YaReally
          on September 16, 2013 at 12:58 pm
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          I’m just getting tired of retards. How about a rule where for a chick to give pickup advice she has to have picked up and banged at least 5 girls?


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm
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        “You think chicks have no idea or know anything about themselves?”

        NOW you’re starting to get it.

        There’s a conversation here about how there are no red pill women:

        http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/

        Sorry girls, I know being allowed to post in the manosphere gave you a big validation boost like you’re better than other women because you “get it”, but AWALT.



tteclod
on September 16, 2013 at 10:18 am
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Here’s a play I’d like to see than may not be possible but overcomes the obstacles: get BFF to bring the cock-tease in on a threesome.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:38 am
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    This is entirely a possible outcome. I have a buddy who’s done this a bunch. The start of it usually looks similar to the OPs situation…but there are a lot of ways this could go at this point, good or bad lol



R1J2
on September 16, 2013 at 11:03 am
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If she is a cock tease, or as Rapp said, “Alpha Bitch Game,” then how about disengaging?

She might re-engage you, at which point you push for a meet up: Your place or never.

In other words, “bring the movies” or GTFO.

Feel like any further back and forth is just spinning wheels in the mud.

Love to hear thoughts if this strategy has any merit. An educated guess of what I have learnt so far in the past few months.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:44 am
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    “She might re-engage you, at which point you push for a meet up: Your place or never.”

    No. No ultimatums. Ultimatums are for girls and one-iris betas. Men with options don’t give ultimatums because they don’t give a shit and they assume she’ll put out sooner or later.

    I’m not shitting on you here though, I totally get why you’re thinking of that solution. In a much simpler situation you COULD head down that road a bit and have it work, but the dynamics of this situ, with her BFF already actually fucking him and her knowing about it etc, means this isn’t one of those “snip one of of two wires to diffuse the bomb” situs…the massive amount of dynamics going on affect her behavior and turn it into a “snip the right wire out of 50 wires” bombs lol

    Also this:

    “Feel like any further back and forth is just spinning wheels in the mud.”

    Is an accurate call, so good stuff spotting that. I was thinking the same thing halfway thru reading the txting…”fuck her already, this is going nowhere”. That’s why CH’s advice is spot on, but I would also add radio silence. Give her the gift of missing you and all that…she’s getting all the validation she needs for free right now. Take it away, then structure a non-ASD-triggering situation where you can follow CH’s advice.


    • R1J2
      on September 16, 2013 at 11:59 am
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      Thank you – I apprecieate the critique. Forgot about the ultimatum rule, but glad I got the radio-silence and the wheels on mud right.


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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        An example of a good ultimatum usage would be like, telling a girl you’ve just met “no I don’t give out my phone number” or “no I’m just on vacation, I’m leaving tomorrow forever” or “your BF will never know, you’ll never see me again” where she’s forced to bang that night or miss out on the opportunity forever…and you would need high-value and attraction for that, but that would work.

        The key difference between that situ and this one is that there are no long-term consequences for her choosing the “be slutty” option in the ONS ultimatum…there’s only adventure or loss of adventure. Whereas in the OP’s situ, the OP is part of their social circle so the ultimatum choice translates to “no drama” or “possible drama”. So she’ll pick “no drama” (not fucking him).

        To extrapolate further, once he gets the friend isolated and removes all responsibility from her (ie – “it just happened”), so when they’re at the point I described where he’s pinned her against the wall outside the bathroom making out, at THAT point, because she believes “no one will know”, the ultimatum has been morphed into “adventure” or “no adventure” because he’s handled all the logistics/dynamics that currently make the ultimatum a bad idea at this stage.

        So technically you’re not “wrong” per say, which is why I say I’m not shittin on ya lol it’s just that at this particular stage, an ultimatum will shoot him in the foot. As a general rule, avoid giving them, but if you DO, make it an ultimatum between “no fun” and “fun” VS “no risk” and “risk”. Hope that makes sense lol



Harland
on September 16, 2013 at 11:29 am
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I have a lot of problems with these. Sexy talk, I know she wants it, but girl is terrified of taking any action. I live overseas so not American chicks.

My usual move is an invitation for Western food at my house, which used to work but these days seems to fall flat. Girls will text text text but when it comes time to meet, she always has something to do. I’ve lost several promising girls like this. Yes, I’m being cocky & funny (although it’s harder in another language I speak but am not fluent in).


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 11:47 am
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    Don’t invite them to your house and don’t txt as much if you keep getting stuck being her “txt buddy”.

    Invite them out somewhere instead of to your place, venue change a few times, and then lead them back to your house.

    You’re asking for too much compliance too soon. Watch this video:


    • BuenaVista
      on September 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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      My rule, hard-won, is to simply never be explicit. I think this is what you mean by saying “asking for compliance”, which is the undertone on a lot of this discussion. We’re not selling software here, so it’s inappropriate to ask for the order and then do a forensic on the department budget this quarter. This is like turning a 5000W searchlight on a woman’s unstated sexual ambition. The only women who appreciate that are hookers.

      I just never met a woman who texted or email anything remotely sexual, who wasn’t ready to be seduced. (This includes manipulative golddiggers or other crazies who just want an LJBF for selfish purposes.) But if you are explicit about the real meaning of the conversation, her anti-slut self-regulation kicks in and forget it. They’re two, two TWO women in one.

      I maintain this rule at least through the first few sexual experiences, if not permanently. The women tend to be more, not less, explicit but … so what. I still avoid the sexy *talk* and focus on creating sexy *situations*. (Dinner at my house, drinks, weekend away, a dark parking garage, whatever.) It’s not like there’s any pressure because the outcome is already plain. Just my two cents, as some protective, gentleman game followed by sexual insanity seems to create friends for life.

      Note to Harland, if women don’t respond well to something? Stop doing it. It sounds like your women want to be seen in public being cared for by a man; if you’re getting the sexy talk but there’s a boundary issue with your home, let her have the fig leaf of the proper boundary.

      I wouldn’t invest a whole lot of time and money in squiring her about town though, unless you are getting physical escalation from her and more verbal innuendo in person. Or if you take her out a couple of times and she doesn’t invite you upstairs. Depending on your country, they may consider you a wealthy expat to be milked for drinks and favors. I was dating a Russian model (ret.) during a spell in St. Petersburg (Russia), and she ran this game on me successfully for a couple of weeks: probably 5-6 dates. (I was tentative because the culture was new to me, I was newly single and stupid, and this was still a time when a lot of Russian women felt that American men found them economically and socially inferior, and thus had to amp up their princess behavior.) But I cut her off after I made the moves bigtime and was rebuffed; later I had to go back to the States for a while, and didn’t even tell her I had left the country. She was emailing me pretty quickly and demanding to know when she could see me again. I just said, “I’m a man, you know, and you’re not that interested in me in that way. So I’m not sure what the fuss is all about here.” The anti-slut veil hit the floor and I still see her from time to time.


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm
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        “It sounds like you’re being used, your address is very wrong, or there is some other exogenous problem.”

        Agreed. There’s something he’s doing wrong that’s triggering that reaction. Maybe not seeding it early enough (ie – talk about a movie/photos early on instead of right before trying to get her to come home where it’s obvious it’s just to bang her), maybe getting too eager, maybe coming off too aloof and she thinks he won’t call her after they fuck, or the reverse, too needy and she thinks he’ll be clingy after…Or, like you say, it could be a cultural thing he has to adapt to.

        Post up some Field Reports or give us more details and maybe a pattern will stand out that we can help you with. You shouldn’t be having that much trouble with that part…especially if she’s actually attracted to you and you had a fun date. It should go smooth like butter unless you’re triggering her ASD somehow.

        “This is like turning a 5000W searchlight on a woman’s unstated sexual ambition. The only women who appreciate that are hookers.”

        “But if you are explicit about the real meaning of the conversation, her anti-slut self-regulation kicks in and forget it.”

        The second line here, about being explicit about the real meaning is absolutely true…but the first line is something that CAN be overcome with the right approach. I don’t think the “right approach to overcome it” would be congruent with your vibe, so it’s not a big deal, but I just want to make it clear that there IS a way to do it. It’s how I run my game, and it took me a while to learn, a ton of calibration and lost girls etc., but I’m at the point where I can get a girl to come over just to bang without doing a Day 2, and when we first bang I already know most of her crazy dirty fantasies and such.

        It’s not that I’m just happening to run into the sluttiest girls in the world, most of these girls are like innocent angels to their friends and family. I just know how to bring that side of them out in a comfortable way.

        But even with THAT, when I AM going from “dirty sexy talk” (which has a very specific time and place for doing it, like I say, there were a lot of nuances/calibration to learn), to actually meeting up, I drop all sexy talk and go into completely platonic friend-zoney joking around.

        I look at it like basically triggering her ASD, and then allowing it to calm down before the meet-up so it’s not still ringing when the meet-up comes, ’cause then she’ll flake. So that follows your second part I quoted there, about not being explicit…once I know we’re going to meet up for sure, I stop being explicit, whereas when I was learning to do this, I’d keep being explicit and then be surprised when she flaked lol

        But once I get her and I in person, and I can isolate us, I can escalate hard and fast and it’s congruent to me (VS where your kitchen girl got freaked out), because I’ve already established earlier when I purposely set off her ASD with sex-talk, that that’s the kind of guy I am.

        So really these are just two different methods/approaches to gaming. If they were on charts of some kind, yours would look like a low horizontal line that takes a gradual smooth curve upward, and mine would look like a sharp huge spike at the start, followed by a long low horizontal line, then another sharp spike.

        Both methods are valid and we ARE actually following the same general key concepts (have logistics handled (whether it’s your way by having your life handled or my way by finding a stairwell), don’t trigger her ASD right before a date (whether it’s your way by never triggering it, or my way by triggering it and letting it cool off), etc.), I’m only posting this because you made absolutes about how the other method is only for hookers like you CAN’T be sexually explicit up front and I don’t want guys to think that they can’t if they’re still experimenting with what style of game fits their personality. :)


        • BuenaVista
          on September 17, 2013 at 9:54 am
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          Interesting take on broaching the slut-talk early then retreating into equivocation and conventional manners, before completing the promise made in the initial shock.

          It may not be relevant, but I think it’s related, and perhaps it is an indirect version of what you do. Curious if you have an opinion.

          After reading this game stuff earlier this year I modified my on-line profile with one sentence and my response rates went from 10-20% to over 50%. I do have a female type that I target, and I am selective about who I write. But still that was a discontinuous change, and shocking in its results. Suddenly I had more desirable dates than evenings. Then within a few weeks I had a soft-harem for the first time (I’ve always been a serial monogamist, if not just a monogamist).

          The change was this. I took my usual online profile, which describes a reasonably established guy who checks a few of the status and looks boxes. I added one line, and this is a paraphrase to constrain the googlers: “In relationship still I am a public traditionalist — I will get your chair, open your door, order your drinks — but in private, so to speak, I am not a submissive man and if that’s your style, I’m so not your guy.” BOOM! At the time, I had never introduced myself to anyone in respect of my sexual style: being a Good Man post-feminist male and all that. The effect was to immediately attract alpha females (my type) who were desperate to be dominated, and usually told me that in either the introductory email or on the first date. (Such talk I would note and then ignore.) The elliptical nature of the disclosure rang true for me, because public slut-talk is just not natural for me.

          But that one sentence … man. It appears to have been as clear as a bell to the cohort I was interested in: “Sure, I may own suits and take you to the symphony blah blah blah, but I will practice CH Commandment 14. Don’t bother me if that is threatening.”

          So, I’d get a 50% response rate, go on a date and be Gregory Peck and generate some comfort and tension, and half of them wanted to have sex on the first date. Half of those wanted to have sex immediately in the car. I couldn’t handle it, frankly. I pared back the group and dated one for several months, prior to my current hiatus for R&R and that thing called work.

          Incidentally, I had suspected and largely proven over about ten years that the higher the female alpha, the more she wanted to be (here it is again: paradoxically) dominated by her man. This exercise proved it 10-fold, without my investing several hundred bucks in pro forma ‘getting to know you’ dates before the girl was comfortable that I understood she “was not like that” and never had ONS and all the rest of that bullshit. Also, the dates were a lot more fun because we weren’t both playacting in service of a woman’s three-date rule. We all know they decide whether or not they want to have sex in the first 10 seconds, if not 5.

          As always, I note that I am older than most of the guys here and so my dating cohort likewise is 30+. I pull a few 20-somethings who want Daddy Game, but I consider those anecdotal.


          • YaReally
            on September 18, 2013 at 3:34 pm
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            “I modified my on-line profile with one sentence and my response rates went from 10-20% to over 50%.”

            ” I added one line, and this is a paraphrase to constrain the googlers: “In relationship still I am a public traditionalist — I will get your chair, open your door, order your drinks — but in private, so to speak, I am not a submissive man and if that’s your style, I’m so not your guy.” BOOM!”

            lol ya, see here you’re doing what I do. Basically this line is making it known up front that you can “cross the line” into sexual conversation and being comfortable/open with sexuality in general.

            This can be done really blatantly like “personally, I love rough sex. I love manhandling a girl and tossing her around when we fuck.” in a discussion about sex (that you, of course, led the conversation toward, being a smooth player and all lol). Or you can do it really subtly, like “you should stay away…you seem like a nice innocent vanilla girl, and I would corrupt you.” where she can kind of infer what you mean. You can also do it in conversations with guys/girls you DON’T want to fuck, for the purpose of setting up a reputation and social proof etc, like “I don’t think your friend is my type…my last girlfriend was into spanking and a bunch of fucked up shit, I’m not really used to the nice sweet innocent girls.”

            This can also be longer than just a one-off sentence…it can be getting her horny over txts for a few hours one night while she’s in bed (I often txt past 10pm when I know she’ll be alone and going to sleep soon). Or it can be some physically aggressive stuff when we first initially meet (without actually making out with her, unless I’ve also had time to build a lot of comfort/rapport, because a makeout without enough comfort/rapport = ASD and flaking and can take forever to recover from because building comfort when her ASD is going off is tricky since she’s skeptical of everything you do/say, so you basically have to go completely asexual which is lame lol)

            These all accomplish the same thing: that initial spike (VS your longer-term smooth curve). But they all trigger ASD, so if you try to go for a meet-up while that ASD alarm is still going off, it’s too close to admitting they want sex, so they’ll have to flake on you. That’s why I cross the line, but don’t stay there…I back off and talk about normal shit and flirt normally, which lets the ASD settle. Once it’s settled, I can push for the meet-up and now, not only will she meet up, but the sexual nature of our relationship is very clearly established in the back of her mind…ergo I can talk like you did to your kitchen girl and it’s congruent and won’t freak her out.

            My game morphed into this over time mostly because I don’t like going on dates lol. I like them, in theory, but in reality I don’t want to spend money and I have a lot of shit to do with work and depending on my harem-size and/or primary-girlfriend status, I don’t want to invest 5 hours out at dinner and drinks. So I was looking for a way to cut out the need for a date between the initial meet and sex…making what’s essentially a Statement of Interest early on like this sets a frame (usually via txting) that I can escalate on quickly in-person. So even if I arrange for us to go on a “date”, I’ll tell the girl to come pick me up at my place (since I have no car, you see, lol) and buzz me.

            In advance, I’ve made sure during the initial sex-talk spike, I drop stuff like “you should be careful when we meet up…my way of saying “hi” involves pinning you against the wall, grabbing a fist-full of your hair as I pull your head back, nibble on your neck, and growl “hi there…” into your ear while you moan”. So that’s in the back of her head as congruent to me, and logically if she meets up with me, she’s consenting to that behavior. So when she buzzes my apartment, I come down to the lobby, pin her against the wall, and do just like I said. Then I keep making out, do some quick escalating, and lead her into my apartment to fuck instead of us going back to her car and going on some gay date lol

            But all of that is congruent to the frame I set from the start…whereas someone who’s playing the gentleman angle, where he legitimately sounds like he’s looking for a date/girlfriend/etc. and has been mostly asexual in his conversation beyond some basic flirting, doing that, would be totally incongruent and setting off all sorts of rapey ASD flags.

            To represent the extremes of the spectrum: A girl buzzing Russell Brand’s apartment expects to end up sucking his dick when he says hello. A girl buzzing Bill Gates’ apartment does not. lol

            The other nice part about all this is that I can set a lot of ground rules. Girls don’t show up for dates with me wearing flip-flops and their hair in a lazy ponytail like they just came from studying for an exam. I let them know up front in that initial sexual spike that I like sex, and girly-girls who doll themselves up etc. And that I’ll shut the door on them if they show up in a shitty outfit…that’s for other guys, not ME. And this, of course, sets off all sorts of ASD alarms etc…but once it’s all cooled down, and she DOES come over, she comes over like she’s going to a wedding lol A lot of guys just take what they can get with how the girl shows up, but I have particular tastes and this frame I set up allows me to specify them.

            “At the time, I had never introduced myself to anyone in respect of my sexual style: being a Good Man post-feminist male and all that.”

            I was actually this way myself for a lot of my PUA journey. But a lot of it was that 1) I didn’t think you could BE sexual and have it work, especially if that wasn’t natural to you (this is why I’m writing about my style in response to you, so guys reading your post are aware that they CAN learn to be sexual up front and make it work), and 2) I had to rewire a lot of social conditioning in my head and ACTIVELY head down this path to get here. I lost a lot of girls on the way as I learned how to calibrate it all…I had a lot of “kitchen girl” incidents myself, like you did. But where you went “wow fuck that, I’m sticking to the gentleman angle!”, I went “ahh shit, that was awkward…but I’ll tweak what I do and try again on this next girl”.

            Again I’m not coming down on you saying your method is lame or anything. You found a style that’s congruent to you and works consistently for you, so fuck it, don’t fix what ain’t broken if you don’t want to lol I’m just saying that the complete opposite approach CAN consistently work, if applied right. :)

            “The elliptical nature of the disclosure rang true for me, because public slut-talk is just not natural for me.”

            lol


            :D In all seriousness though, it wasn’t for me either. I went through what Ross does in this clip lol It was super awkward for me to express myself sexually. It took a lot of work and rewiring to be as comfortable with it as I am now (TOO comfortable with it, in a lot of people’s opinions lol).

            “So, I’d get a 50% response rate, go on a date and be Gregory Peck and generate some comfort and tension, and half of them wanted to have sex on the first date.”

            Once you’ve established the sexual frame, you can back off and just be charming and build comfort (you MUST build comfort, in fact lol, to counter-balance the ASD). The elephant has been brought into the room, so no one has to acknowledge it…all you have to do is build some comfort and lead to isolation (aka your car) and, especially if she’s 30+, she’ll take charge and if she doesn’t, in general, the vibe is there for sex to happen naturally.

            I purposely escalate on the date, to create the second sharp spike of my graph, because I want shit to happen quickly before I have to go blow $30 on drinks I wouldn’t be drinking if I wasn’t on a date lol So in your experiment here, to bring it back to the style graph, you essentially made an initial sharp spike, then used a slow gradual curve up (so the ASD was able to cool off after the initial spike). Your gentlemanly style is no sharp spikes, just one long gradual curve up. My style is a sharp spike, flatline, and another sharp spike.

            Now did you just happen to run into the sluttiest handful of women in the world? Or did how YOU set the frame alter how comfortable SHE felt expressing her sexuality with you? ;) This is why a lot of guys who are like “oh that girl who sucked your cock in the bathroom is a slut…this girl I have a crush on at work is a perfect angle, she would NEVER do that”. Ya, she wouldn’t. With HIM. Because he doesn’t set a sexual frame the way I do. A lot of my fuckbuddies end up “boyfriending up” when I won’t commit to a relationship and they go out on dates with other guys without putting out, even tho we fucked the first night. To those guys, the girl is a perfect angel, and she’ll never admit otherwise to them…but those guys aren’t laying a sexually comfortable groundwork down for her to be slutty with them the way she was with me.

            Those are the same guys who have the Madonna/whore complex and classify girls into sluts and good-girls. They’re all the same girl, it all depends on your approach and game.

            “I had suspected and largely proven over about ten years that the higher the female alpha, the more she wanted to be (here it is again: paradoxically) dominated by her man.”

            This generally aligns with what I’ve found. Often they shit-test the hardest too, because they know they NEED a man who can dominate the fuck out of them physically and mentally…fucking a guy who’d cave to her shit-tests is like us fucking a fat chick…just shame and disappointment and dissatisfaction lol

            I’d say it’s something like 70% of women like to be dominated and are completely submissive, 20% like to take charge now and then but also LOVE being dominated (often they’ll be aggressive for the purpose of turning sex into a “battle” so you can dominate them), and 10% always like to dominate (I’m just guessing on this one, I’ve only run into like 2 chicks like this but I’m sure there are more out there in fetish communities etc. lol).

            “This exercise proved it 10-fold, without my investing several hundred bucks in pro forma ‘getting to know you’ dates before the girl was comfortable that I understood she “was not like that” and never had ONS and all the rest of that bullshit.”

            lol ya. She has to do that “I’m not like that, I’ve never done this before” shit because she’s worried about being judged. If you say you’re a good Christian man, she knows you’ll judge her hard so she’ll have a TON of that “I’m not normally like this!” shit to do before she feels comfortable. If you don’t mention sex at all (your style), she doesn’t know if you will or won’t judge her so she errs on the side of caution and throws some of that out there. In my style, I make it very clear up front that not only do I not judge people for their sexual natures, but I ENCOURAGE them to express it and I actively DISlike girls who AREN’T comfortable being sexual…so I don’t run into much if any of that “I’m not that kind of girl” shit, because they feel like they won’t be judged and don’t have to qualify themselves to me.

            “Also, the dates were a lot more fun because we weren’t both playacting in service of a woman’s three-date rule.”

            To get gay and philosophical, this is actually a big part of my style of game. I hate all the fake bullshit we’re socially conditioned into…the 3-date rules, the “try to impress other people” fake personas at the bar, etc. I want to interact with the REAL person. Their core of who they are. So I do stuff like open with obnoxious outrageous offensive shit at a high-end classy party, because it shocks people out of their fake personas and forces them to react naturally. I’ll self-depreciate and share embarrassing/humiliating stories about myself in a venue where people are all pretending to be perfect and flawless, because that makes other people loosen up and share some of their faults, and I applaud them for it and make them feel good about opening up, and slowly the people around me start to lose their pretentious worries about what other people think about them, and we connect on a real, human level.

            Sexually, I’m connecting with the raw sexuality of the girl. I know what she’s thinking, she knows what I’m thinking, and it’s just “honest”. Even if we never hang out again, for that “makeout-seduction-fuck-cuddle” adventure, we are sharing something more honest and raw than most people will ever share, even with their significant others.

            I knew an 18yo who I could tell was curious about bondage, so I led her into exploring it. She loved it and it’s a huge deal to her. But then she “boyfriended up” and was so worried that telling him she wanted to be tied up and choked and spanked etc. would scare him off (since he was potential long-term Provider material to her), that she had to verrrrry slowly over the course of a few years, hint toward it and get him to try a little light spanking here and there etc. and to this day she probably still isn’t getting fucked by him the way I fucked her. So he’ll never really “know” her the way I know her…to me, that’s tragic, and the direct result of social conditioning.

            Anyway, hope that stuff clears up what happened during your experiment lol if I ever wrote a book on game, I would probably focus on this stuff because it’s not something a lot of guys explore. I know a number of actual PUAs who are still, to me, super repressed with being sexual…not because it’s the best way for them, but because they legitimately don’t realize they could be more sexual in their interactions and have it still work.

            But as long as what you’re doing works for you and gets you the results you want, fuck it. I say good on ya!



BuenaVista
on September 16, 2013 at 12:17 pm
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When a girl gets racy while texting, which is totally passive aggressive btw, and thus unleashes her true purposes, I just terminate the flirting with a ‘promises, promises’ response, wait for her escalating response (because she will escalate), change the subject, and ask her out some time in the next day or two if I’m interested. At that point I already know where things are going to end up. I mean, I know.

My view is that slutty texts are signals that a poodle should be able to deconstruct, but it’s best to briefly challenge them and not act like you know what she is doing “because I’m not a slut” is rattling around in that brain, also. So I just challenge her intentions and then act like I don’t have time to tap tap tap on my little phone. (God, I hate texting.) I don’t recall receiving slutty or sexual innuendo-rich texts from someone who, for the price of a cocktail and a modicum of “of course you’re not a slut” respect, wouldn’t be feeling me up in the car. I just don’t know why a woman would go dirty on her telephone without a reason. Never seen it. I mean, two slutty roundtrips, and you can probably get some Facetime scenery, if that’s what you want.

The text string in the example gave me a headache because it was so long. What’s the point of all the back and forth? There’s no magic sequence after which she’s going to say, “Okay. You pass. Let’s fuck.”

I just ask myself: what is the information being presented here? when I get a text. Quite frankly, since women are so (publicly) self-denying in their sexual instincts, it’s usually, “Fuck me, and that would be especially nice if you let me pretend to be Audrey Hepburn while you do it.” This is true whether or not I get 10 texts about something I don’t care about, or I get a picture of an awesome new pair of tap pants, properly filled out. The less I text back, the higher the signal to noise ratio.

I also don’t get all the talk about “isolation.” How else are you supposed to get laid? I don’t run with large groups so “isolation” isn’t a problem, and logistics aren’t an issue for other reasons.

Net: if a woman gets flirty, much less sexually suggestive, while texting or emailing, it really doesn’t get much easier.

I sound churlish today. Sorry about that. Maybe the issue is I date over-30, and they are easier to figure out.


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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    All solid mindsets/beliefs here. You’re also handling logistics without really realizing it (isolating a 30+ chick when you’re kind of a loner is easy, isolating an 18yo chick when you’re 30 is tougher lol).

    This is the most important part:

    “There’s no magic sequence after which she’s going to say, “Okay. You pass. Let’s fuck.””

    I have a lot of friends who do this. They’re waiting for the complete green light for the girl. For her to take charge and say “okay I want to fuck!” so they know its okay to proceed and they won’t risk rejection or looking like an asshole etc.

    But they don’t get that for a girl to take the lead is to go completely against her ASD and social programming. Even if she WANTS to fuck, unless she’s a very particular rare type of personality, she can’t say it flat out. All she can do is provide a window of opportunity that the guy has to pick up on and have enough confidence/experience to know he should create a situation where he has her in the same room, isolated, feeling not-judged, and then take the lead.

    But they’re waiting for the girl to go “oh ya??? All talk??? Ill show YOU who’s all talk, I’m going to show up at your door naked and stick your dick in me!!!!”

    In Amy’s case I can pretty much guarantee her player-friend was handling this stuff instinctively building up to her coming over, and she just doesn’t understand game enough to see that…and the guy himself might not even realize that he did it because a lot of naturals don’t consciously understand it. Like how the concept of isolating is obvious/natural to you, but you couldn’t run the same game if she showed up on your date with 5 of her friends, one who’s a dude that has a crush on her.


    • BuenaVista
      on September 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm
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      Actually, my disagreement (befuddlement) with this logistics/isolation stuff is a priori: I think any guy contemplating sexual relations should postpone that thought until he at least rents 200 s.f. and can afford a mattress and some $100 sheets. I mean, really? I find this part of the discussion weird. If you can’t afford a studio apartment, you have larger problems requiring more immediate attention than getting laid. It’s not that big a deal. In my case, I ran away from home at 17 and moved to NYC (from the rural midwest, incidentally) — and got a job, a room, and a girlfriend. (It wouldn’t have worked out so well in the reverse order.) Presto: logistics. Isn’t this part of being an adult? I’m sort of mystified as to why this is tough.

      Anyway, I don’t see why being 30 and dating an 18 year-old is any harder than doing it when one is 18; I think it is a lot easier: If she’s interested she’ll be thrilled to have someplace to go besides the dorm room. You go to the dance, cut out the AMOG, dance with the girl, drink some punch and talk about english class, go for a walk, make out, see what’s happening on second base. “Do you want to see where I live?” Or, “I’m sick of that punch, I have a bottle of Riesling at my house, eh?” If she doesn’t want to make out, cut your losses, be matter of fact if not bemused, go back to the dance. Or not. There’s always another dance.

      ***

      Totally on board with the compliance testing. One of my favorite hamster anecdotes was when a woman was egging me on with explicit sexual fantasy stuff (email and text, some skype teasing in which she demonstrated a toy, nude selfies, links to Daddy porn, everything implied in today’s anecdote) and was quite dirty — verbally — about it. We had had previously one or two sexual experiences in the flesh, but all the fantasy stuff emerged over telecommunications, which serves your points on “exposure” and “denial” and avoiding “judgment”. I tend to be observant in these situations (reticent), so I encourage but do not go crazy.

      So. She comes over for dinner and was fondling me in the kitchen while I cooked, lots of dry-humping against the counter that I would break off because I was “busy cooking”, I ask her what she’s really wearing and she bends over and flashes her panties. Very Bad Dad stuff going on. BUT. KEY POINT. She was just being a sweet thing with wandering hands. No longer was she being verbally dirty; she was just being polite and horny and properly proud of her hard little ass. So she asks me what we were going to do after dinner, and I broke protocol: “Well, I think I’m going to fuck you like that slutty homecoming queen you said you once were, many times.” BOOM! 5000W searchlight anti-slut airraid alert. It was like her mother had just walked in the room. She actually froze.

      It was salvageable, but I now leave the dirty talk and the “compliance testing” to the females. It’s too much work trying to figure out when they want to hold hands, and when they want to be spanked with a belt. If they want to be spanked, they prefer I act like Gregory Peck. If that’s the power they want, fine. Somebody else can figure that shit out. If they feel safe, they’ll let us all know which version of woman is in the room, just like the woman in the anecdote who is begging our hero to stop texting and start getting busy. The best sex I’ve had in my life was with an actress who is a model of propriety — in public. Not so in the dark, and by “dark”, that might half-a-block down Fifth Avenue from the party. It got so bad I worried about getting arrested. But with the lights on and people circulating at the party? Ice queen if she hated them, Jackie O. if she liked them. My job was just to figure out which human being I was with, and then dominate the proceedings.

      I think this is way easier today, incidentally, because the women have so much more power than in the past, they’re accustomed to sending signals when they want something. They aren’t just empowered, they’re tyrannical about their sexual impulses once they flip the switch. And the signals, post-switch, are not in semaphore.

      I really enjoy your comments Ya, and appreciate your taking the time with mine. Breaking down the so-called ASD here and in other posts has been very explanatory for me.


      • YaReally
        on September 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm
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        “I think any guy contemplating sexual relations should postpone that thought until he at least rents 200 s.f. and can afford a mattress and some $100 sheets.”

        lol I rent a bedroom from a roommate and have $40 sheets (no way I’m spending bank on sheets, fuckin squirters).

        “If you can’t afford a studio apartment, you have larger problems requiring more immediate attention than getting laid.”

        ya, but says the guy who’s been laid. Tell that to the 21yo virgin who’s never been on a date or kissed a girl, you know?

        It’s not that you SHOULDN’T handle that stuff (I’m working on my financial shit myself right now), it’s that there’s no reason to wait until you handle it to start going out and fucking girls because it’s not necessary. That doesn’t even mean you have to be a bum…I’ve known med students who are studying constantly and racking up tons of student loan debt and won’t be able to pay that off for a long-ass time, who think they have to wait until they graduate and get established in their career (and get a condo, and nice car, etc.) before they can stick their dick in a girl lol It’s silly. They’re girls, just go talk to them and find somewhere to fuck them.

        “Anyway, I don’t see why being 30 and dating an 18 year-old is any harder than doing it when one is 18″

        No offense intended here, but when was the last time you’ve picked up an 18yo, especially off a cold-approach, and especially for a same-night lay? Like I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but you’ve said yourself that you go for older chicks who handle half that shit for you. The dynamics of the average 18-23yo social circle’s connectivity and validation-stream has changed with the Internet, smart-phones, hookup culture, etc. The logistics of just getting them ALONE can be a fucking nightmare, especially when you’re older than their social circle who are still in “we have to go to the bathroom together” mode.

        “You go to the dance, cut out the AMOG, dance with the girl, drink some punch and talk about english class, go for a walk, make out, see what’s happening on second base.”

        …are you a time-traveller from the 1940s? lol

        I’m not giving you shit, but I honestly don’t think you understand what the culture with the kiddies is like these days. Past 25, and especially past 30, the dynamics change.

        “It was like her mother had just walked in the room. She actually froze. It was salvageable, but I now leave the dirty talk and the “compliance testing” to the females.”

        Wellllll, this more likely came down to your congruency. BECAUSE you weren’t verbally sexually aggressive, playing it cool and everything (which I agree for most guys is a perfectly good strategy), when you DID 180, it’s not that what you said was, in ITSELF offensive (especially given her love of the Daddy roleplay shit and all), it’s that saying it was incongruent to how she viewed you. So the incongruency freezes her up and makes you have to salvage it.

        It’s like when your super smooth player asshole buddy talks about “fucking bitches”, that’s cool, you expect that from him. But then Bob the skinny asian nerd from accounting who you’re all pretty sure is either gay or a 30yo virgin and who’s never talked about girls ever except to say that he “treats ladies with respect!” suddenly comes into work talking about “fucking bitches”. It’s not that “fucking bitches” offends/shocks you, it’s his incongruency. Similarily, the player guy suddenly coming in talking about being in love with a special girl and buying her flowers would make you go “umm…wat??” because it’s incongruent.

        None of this MATTERS, because you have a style of game that works for you and everything, don’t change it up. But just if you’re wondering what happened there, that’s the dynamic that probably went on. I know this because I say stuff like that all the fucking time to girls, and they’re cool with it…but I’m very congruent to it and where you back off and let them txt dirty things, I take their dirty txts and escalate them. It would be more weird to them if I DIDN’T say that stuff while we’re cooking dinner or whatever. I’ve choked girls up against the wall while growling that stuff into their ear in public lol but it’s congruent so they’re turned on by the confirmation that I am who they thought I was, instead of weirded out by it.

        “just like the woman in the anecdote who is begging our hero to stop texting and start getting busy.”

        She’s not, though. It’s a trap. She just wants him to TRY, but she’ll deny him and take the validation and run. That’s why he has to get her in the same room, isolate her, remove responsibility, etc. It would be different if her banging him wouldn’t bring her any group drama or anything.

        “They aren’t just empowered, they’re tyrannical about their sexual impulses once they flip the switch. And the signals, post-switch, are not in semaphore.”

        30+yo women, absolutely. 30+yo women will handle a ton of shit for you. They don’t feel guilty, their girlfriends will leave you guys alone and TELL them “go get laid, girl!” and cheer them on, they want to find a man because they can feel the wall coming on so they don’t have as much time to play games, etc. etc.

        But with <25yo women, it's still the ASD/LMR shit lol

        "I really enjoy your comments Ya, and appreciate your taking the time with mine. Breaking down the so-called ASD here and in other posts has been very explanatory for me."

        Ya I just want to make it clear that I'm not really disagreeing with you per say. I agree with most of what you're saying, especially applied to 30+yo women. I just think you're working a different "market" than a lot of guys, and extrapolating your experience there, downward to the younger ages, which unfortunately doesn't work out the way it logically should.


        • BuenaVista
          on September 17, 2013 at 11:49 am
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          I’ll take the ass-kicking on the sub-25 crowd, because while I have dated two in the past year, they were clearly freaks, and no basis for any robust insights. (My only counter is that I did just spend a week with a 23 year-old son — and his friends — and I didn’t really encounter anything different than what I knew at his age. The phone addiction and the internet narcissism/FB stuff is new, but I regard all that as ephemera. For example, my son uses electronic means less than I do; seems to be “cool” in his world.)

          I’m not convinced that a 21 year-old virgin is well-served not getting his financial and residential shit together before worrying about chicks. After all, it will elevate him and allow him better access to women if he does, while also building self-esteem and confidence in a more rational system than the system of random females. My son is the son of a fashion model/actress, and a competitive skier, so he has no trouble getting women, but we agreed it was time for him to have his own place and move out of the shared houses he’s been using. This will improve his work (writer) and improve his love life (privacy).

          And btw, if you’re willing to comment on my posts and sordid love life, bring it as hard and loud as you like, because it’s always informative. This stuff is changing my world.


          • YaReally
            on September 18, 2013 at 12:21 pm
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            “I’m not convinced that a 21 year-old virgin is well-served not getting his financial and residential shit together before worrying about chicks.”

            You gotta’ put it into perspective:

            “My son is the son of a fashion model/actress, and a competitive skier, so he has no trouble getting women”

            If your son looks like this:

            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Zac_Efron_2007.jpg

            …and he went on a few dates in high-school, maybe plays some sports, has good buddies and a social circle with some women in it, etc. then ya, he should focus on getting his financial and residential shit together.

            And I hope that if I have a son one day, I’ll be able to lead by example enough as his father that he’ll grow up like I just described and never need to visit a place like the Chateau.

            But if your son looks like THIS:

            http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6969505341_efc919345a_z.jpg

            http://iowacitytales.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/dorkathon-5-lan-party-051.jpg

            …and he spent his high-school years in his bedroom on the Internet playing World of Warcraft, never kissed or touched a girl in his life, etc. then no, he should be out socializing and making friends and talking to girls and working on his grooming, fashion, health, etc. Otherwise he will end up a 25+yo with a nice job, stockpiling money that he doesn’t spend because on Fri/Sat nights he stays in to play X-Box instead of getting invites from friends to come out to events where he’ll meet and date attractive women.

            It is MUCH harder to learn to socialize at 25+, when you’re out of college and have lost your social circles, maybe moved to a new city, friends your age don’t go out and party as much because they’ve settled into relationships, you’ve picked up bad habits (like staying in to play Warcraft and eat cheetos), bars all feel (moreso to you because you’ve never really been out to them before) like a bunch of chaotic 18yos running around and you’re the creepy old 25+yo, etc. compared to when you’re 18-25.

            Ideally, a kid shouldn’t need any of this game stuff. He should be raised with solid male role models and encouraged to take an interest in things that promote masculine tendencies (sports instead of Warcraft, etc.) and generally led down a path where he’ll be a naturally attractive out-going social male who can meet a quality woman, where all he needs at 21 is a little privacy and a bit of income to supplement his already decent social life.

            These nerdy lame beta-male young-adults exist, and there are a ton of them out there. They can’t just be swept under the carpet and not addressed, they need legit help, and game, the red pill, the Manosphere, PUA, etc. can help them. :)



Keanu
on September 16, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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Yea at this point in the interaction texting is futile, you need to bring her home and see if she’ll go for the bang or not. It’s a yes/no answer, and the way to find out is to put her in a position that makes it easy for her.

As I continue to come out of my Blue Pill shell, I don’t cease to be ASTOUNDED at how much of a dick you can be with girls and get away with it, PROVIDED I have demonstrated value. A Sampling:

Girl: Perfect Day to catch up on all that sleep I didn’t get on Friday

Me: Ya really. Or to work on those cooking skills

Girl: Haha well…I can make a great lasagna! But that is about it. That’s good enough right?

Me: Maybe for some guys haha

Girl: Damn, I guess I will die an old maid

Me: Don’t worry I hear cats are very good companions….

Girl: I already have one! (sends pic)

Me: Well you are halfway there then!

Girl: I have known you a little more than 24 hours and you have already insulted me 4 times! Haha

Me: I escalate quickly

Girl: [blah blah blah] sorry I didn’t answer. I was COOKING

Me: +1 [Thanks Danny!]

Girl: (blah blah blah, eventually asks me when we can get together)

If my blue pill self had read the “you have already insulted me 4 times” line, I would have instinctively said “Oh, I didn’t mean to, sorry about that” and I would instantly killed the cocky-funny vibe I had going–and it would have been no one’s fault but my own! Shit-test recognition should be a required high school class for men.

Also I’d like to note that I am currently unemployed and told her this, yet still I convinced this girl and her friend to drive my friends and I home after meeting them in a bar at 3 a.m. and talking to them for 30 minutes. Game is the shit. And these girls were cute, 7s. I am unemployed (well, an entrepreneur) yet I have this girl understanding that if we were to go out, she would be cooking for me and be hitting the gym and watching her weight/figure (not that she needs to right now).


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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    “If my blue pill self had read the “you have already insulted me 4 times” line, I would have instinctively said “Oh, I didn’t mean to, sorry about that” and I would instantly killed the cocky-funny vibe I had going–and it would have been no one’s fault but my own!”

    lol props dude. You now have a better understanding of women than like 90% of men. Even if you stopped learning game, understanding shit-tests and being able to hold your frame would lead to a better overall sex life than your former beta self would ever have had.

    Also the txts were good. I do similar stuff where I qualify her on dressing up, cooking, not drinking too much, hitting the gym, etc…meanwhile I hate cooking, only have a couple shirts and jeans, drink like a fish, and rarely work out lol. But because I frame things like I’m screening them for that stuff, they fall into the frame where if they want me they have to learn to cook, cut out drinking, dress up, hit the gym etc.

    That all said, immoral makes a good point about not getting trapped in a “she laughed!!” validation back-and-forth situ, because that will, over time, give her enough validation that she doesn’t need to meet up with you and/or loses attraction (ie – she has no fear of loss).

    Like this girl you posted txts from, your next txt session with her should be pushing for a meet up. Txt her something funny/flirty and get her state up in a good mood, then push HARD for meeting up. “Hmmm I think I’m going to have to judge these cooking skills for myself. Which night works better for you to cook me dinner, Wed or Thurs?” and just keep the mindset of “of course we’re going to hang out. Of course she wants to cook for me. Of course she wants sex.”



kikkuli
on September 16, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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Young men from Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab world, etc., are learning weapons skills, urban warfare, tactics of intrigue and infiltration; they are armed and aim to take over cities and nations. Some have dreams of a world empire and are acting on it. They are defeating superpowers.

Young men in America are discussing “text game” techniques. That is, when they’re not bronies and homos.

LOL! American faggots!


  • YaReally
    on September 16, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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    “Young men from Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab world, etc., are learning weapons skills, urban warfare, tactics of intrigue and infiltration; they are armed and aim to take over cities and nations.”

    Maybe they wouldn’t be so angry if they were getting laid. Lol



Neg Of The Week

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Corporal Hicks
on September 15, 2013 at 10:13 pm
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An alpha CEO I know once said, “If you can’t fit your idea on the back on my business card, your idea is no good.”

Well, here’s one idea he took, and one that fits: “NEVER EVER make it easy for a woman, whatever the situation.”

Idolize a woman and place her on a pedestal? She’ll hate your guts forever.
Make her work, clean, cook, stay thin, and care for you? She’ll love you forever and treat you like a prince.

That’s the way God designed them. Break the rules and you pay. Dearly.


  • BuenaVista
    on September 16, 2013 at 7:14 am
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    Here’s a guy who needs more than a pithy business plan on a business card: he needs a get-out-of-jail card. Everything wrong with marriage to a junk-food, smartphone addicted harpy in five easy minutes:

    Stirrings of complaint rise up within him: he rubs his eyes.


    • YaReally
      on September 16, 2013 at 12:21 pm
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      Ugh…and she’s recording it to put on the net because it’s just hilarious to her. She doesn’t even care about the shower, she’s taking enjoyment out of crushing his soul.

      That look on his face in the last 10 seconds of silence at the end of the clip is the look of a man who needs to find the manosphere and red pill. That’s the internal battle between “I WANT to do something, and my instincts are telling me to just do it, but my social conditioning is telling me to obey my fat disrespectful wife”

      Ugh. That was painful to watch. Like a mom scolding a child. I don’t even hate the guy, he’s not a loser, he’s just trapped in social conditioning…he’s a victim more than anything, to me.



Study: The Neg Works

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jamesmarkii
on September 12, 2013 at 8:20 am
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Examples
That purse is pretty but looks kind of cheap?


  • Crazy Heart
    on September 12, 2013 at 10:49 am
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    that’s a big purse, you must be aggressive

    or you keep your dirty harry gun in there


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:09 am
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      These are solid. They’re compliments, but you’re not taking her seriously and making fun of her a bit. You could follow the “you must be aggressive” bit with cold-reads like “I bet you’re the tomboy type.” (esp if she’s done up all girly and clearly not). Or keep it going into teasing like “I bet you’re the protector of your group…swatting guys away with that giant purse when they hit on them lol” etc etc


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:05 am
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    “That purse is pretty but looks kind of cheap?”

    Nope. This is just a compliment followed by a flat-out insult.

    Something like “that purse is pretty. My friend got one just like it when she went to Asia for like $5, I can’t believe how cheap that stuff is there! :) ” as if you expect her to agree, is more of a neg because its all complimentary but there’s a backhanded implication that her purse is a knock-off which makes her want to qualify “no this is the real thing, it was expensive!” to not seem like a girl who wears cheap fake shit.

    Of course commenting her purse is pretty either way is super gay lol


    • Crazy Heart
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:37 am
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      You can use an insult like this if she is being a complete bitch, but it’s still better to be playful about it.


      • some dude
        on September 12, 2013 at 12:03 pm
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        Insults like that don’t work because they reek of butthurtness, better to be the man they want and then choose to either bang them or reject them
        Once they see value in you then an insult or rejection will work but not before, if she is being a bitch (and not shit testing) then she sees no value in you


        • YaReally
          on September 12, 2013 at 12:12 pm
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          This. Especially this:

          “Once they see value in you then an insult or rejection will work but not before, if she is being a bitch (and not shit testing) then she sees no value in you”

          Good breakdown.



Hipster Racist
on September 12, 2013 at 8:32 am
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Didn’t they used to call “negging” “teasing” and isn’t it something boys and girls start doing on the playground?


  • Scray
    on September 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm
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    Nah, this is wrong. Teasing is for when you have already established the correct dynamic. Negs (and other assorted tools) establish the dynamic.


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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      This is key. That’s why Mystery talks about using 3 negs immediately on a 10. From there you only neg if she tries to take things back into an adversarial/testing frame, to snuff out bad behavior and teach her to be nice.

      Teasing doesn’t work if you’re low-value…negging is to establish your high value. That’s why you for neg a 6…if you’re a decently social confident guy, you’re already high enough value. But the stripper who has millionaires buying her trips to Rome, you’re less than nothing to her until you establish value.

      Another key is that teasing is blatantly conscious, whereas negging tends to come off like you’re oblivious…as if you didn’t realize asking if she’s wearing extensions is, in Girl World, an insult. Like you seem like a big dumb friendly dog establishing rapport but you inadvertently poke at a sore spot. So you have that plausible deniability…but they still have to react.

      There are a lot of little nuances to all this, which is why 1) so many guys with their “read about negs in Maxim” level training and no field experience fuck it up, and 2) when executed correctly, it’s powerful as fuck.

      All these little things Mystery came up with about starting in Attraction not trying to start in Rapport, and not goin backwards in the pickup from Comfort back to teasing, etc…these are important details that make a difference.

      I still highly recommend people serious about learning game watch/read Mystery Method. The actual wording is old-school outdated, but the concepts are still 100% solid. I use a lot of RSD stuff these days, but I have a massive solid foundation of MM under it.



Bob Wallace
on September 12, 2013 at 9:22 am
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Negging is a dumb word. It’s just teasing. I’ve been doing it since I was 12, and have an inborn natural talent at it. And yes, it made young teenage girls get crushes on me. If you don’t have any talent at it, it’s really not going to work. I don’t know how anyone can develop a natural spontaneous wit. I’ll say this, though: when you are witty then you are often a cause of wit in others.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:12 am
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    “If you don’t have any talent at it, it’s really not going to work. I don’t know how anyone can develop a natural spontaneous wit.”

    Nah, you can learn it. It’s a lot easier for guys who grow up teasing girls (like guys with multiple sisters etc), but anyone can learn it. That’s why there are books on comedy and improv classes and shit. It’s just hard and can take a long time and the path is full of a ton of awkward embarrassing interactions until you get better at it lol


    • Bob Wallace
      on September 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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      “Nah, you can learn it.”

      I have seen guys make incredible fools of themselves trying to learn it. In college I saw a guy in the library sit down at a table I was at and said to the girl sitting there, “What’s the story, morning glory?” He honestly said that. I think I looked at him with my mouth open. Then he got defensive and said, “It’s the only way I know to talk to girls.”

      I looked at her and said, “I looked at you and had a spontaneous physical reaction.” She sort of giggled and looked down. Then I added, “I didn’t say what kind of reaction it was.” She looked confused and maybe a little angry.

      I said to him, “That’s how you do it.”

      It was completely spontaneous on my part and his was completely rehearsed.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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        What a super cool story.

        “I have seen guys make incredible fools of themselves trying to learn it”

        Ya, it’s hard and you’ll make an incredible fool of yourself while you try to learn it. What’s your point? Don’t try? Don’t practice? Be so terrified of embarrassing yourself that you only do things you’re good at because you’re scared of social judgement?

        Do you think Michael Jordan just picked up a basketball and joined the NBA? If you’re just starting out with a skill-set, there’s a period where you learn the basics and fuck up a lot until you start fucking up less and less. This is common sense.



JS123
on September 12, 2013 at 9:43 am
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I think Mystery ended up defining a neg as anything a man who was interested in a women wouldn’t say. The implication being that you are not interested in her because you have such high status and so must be a valuable catch.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:15 am
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    lol this is not a bad summary at all. That’s why I say it’s more about disqualifying yourself from being labelled “the next guy of the night to hit on her”, which has the side-effect of making her chase your validation, VS going in primarily to damage her ego.

    You’re just implying “I’m used to girls like you, I’m not impressed…YET. Keep trying.”

    That’s why you 180 on them afterward, when they’re chasing your validation, and you qualify them on something trivial (not their looks lol) and give them that validation…you’re saying “okay NOW you’ve impressed me and I’m interested.”



RappaccinisDaughter
on September 12, 2013 at 9:53 am
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The problem, CH, is that so many guys attempting this tactic DO NOT understand the difference between a “neg” and an insult. From what I’ve read on here, a “neg” is supposed to be playful…like you were teasing a bratty little sister, but not trying to make her cry. Instead, what I’m seeing out there is guys saying these unbelievably rude things.

Example: I was meeting some friends for dinner, but I got there early and had to wait at the bar. Some random strikes up a conversation with me. We speak for a couple of minutes, everything is polite and friendly, when he comes out with this whopper:

“You know, those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.”

That interaction went from, “Hmm, maybe he’s got some friends that might like to come hang out with me and my friends after we’ve all eaten,” to me actually giving the guy the finger and telling him to go fuck himself. Which I generally never do because I think it’s tacky, but I was so shocked and insulted that it just kind of popped out.


  • Lily
    on September 12, 2013 at 10:24 am
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    Ha! You got insulted by that? That’s not an insult. It’s a guy that doesn’t know how to flirt effectively; he’s a bit tacky. I also find him a bit too sexual for the first few minutes of a new encounter. Either way, I don’t think it means he found you unattractive. On the contrary.

    Hang out with him and his buddies and evaluate him throughout the night, especially if he was attractive. You could always give him the boot later. Why jump the gun before you find out more about him?


    • RappaccinisDaughter
      on September 12, 2013 at 10:53 am
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      Oh no, that was an insult, and a particularly disgusting one. For anyone who may have missed the subtext here:

      A) The use of the word “tits” to a woman he barely knows. I hadn’t cursed in front of him, or busted out any of my politically incorrect jokes; he had no way of knowing whether vulgar words bother me or not. (Actually, they don’t, I have a filthy mouth, but because I have some sense of social grace, I reserve my sailor tongue for people whom I know well, and know won’t be bothered.)

      B) Yes, as an A-cup, I have a humble bosom. Does he think I don’t know? I don’t have a fucking mirror? That I never got teased for it as a teenager? I’ve never seen a damn pinup girl? Going straight after something any reasonable person would assume might be a sore spot for me is cruel.

      C) “Childbearing hips” = ewwwww. Even if I weren’t a childfree-by-choice person, referring to my body as some kind of babymaking machine is insulting.

      Here’s another one: I’m at the gym. Some dude comes up and asks if he can “work in” on the machine I’m using. Sure, I tell him, just let me finish this set. While he’s waiting for me to finish up, he starts making conversation. Which is fine. What isn’t fine is saying: “Boy, you’re just *pouring* sweat, aren’t you?” YES, COCKBREATH, I JUST RAN FIVE MILES AND I’M SWEATING. Excuse me for having fucking sweat glands like some kind of human person.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2013 at 11:20 am
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        “Boy, you’re just *pouring* sweat, aren’t you?”

        lol this one actually IS a neg…but it pissed you off because (no offense because everyone here assumes the girls posting here are all 10s lol) you’re not a 10. You’re probably a 7 or view yourself as a 7-8. There’s no reason to neg you.

        Now if you were one of those girls who goes to the gym with her makeup all dolled up and lifts a couple weights but is primarily there to socialize and get attention from guys, that neg would be solid if he followed it up with a compliment (like “I love girls who take care of their health” etc).


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:16 am
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    “You know, those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.”

    Fucking terrible. Who SAYS shit like this lol. This is not a neg.


    • RappaccinisDaughter
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:22 am
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      The real head-scratcher was that he actually looked surprised at my reaction. As I was stalking away, he was sputtering “But but but hey hey RD–hey hey” to my retreating back.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2013 at 11:55 am
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        lol I blame PUA hitting the MSM for this shit. The city I’m in right now is really bad for it too. Basically a bunch of guys who used to just be average nice guy chumps who at least wouldn’t ruin your day, have found bits and pieces of Game via the MSM, but they never really read/watched Mystery Method or anything, so they go out like children waving guns around and they have no idea how to wield it proper or why it does what it does or what the consequences are or how to recover etc etc.

        So in the past that guy might’ve just been “a nice dude” who you weren’t attracted to but at least bought you a drink and was friendly…but now that same guy is like “I don’t buy ugly girls drinks, you golddigging whore. Wait, why are you leaving???” lol


    • Amy
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:24 am
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      Lol, I was going to post “where is YaReally?? Ask him if he’d ever say something like this.” You’d be amazed at how often it happens.


      • Matthew King
        on September 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm
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        How would YaReally neg her then?

        The “neg” formula as explained here seems cumbersome. You craft your insult to seem like a compliment, and temporarily confuse her? Too much mental gymnastics.

        Once you establish your good will, you don’t have to qualify every criticism with a compliment. Or vice-versa. You just have to maintain the sense that your intention is not to hurt so much as to speak frankly and her ego is not more important than the truth.

        It seems like the “backhanded” part of the “backhanded compliment” is more about reminding the gamer approaching the ten that she is not a perfect flawless goddess, there’s nothing to be nervous about because she has insecurities just like he does, and it’s best to get that out there as a way to keep himself from falling under her spell.

        She doesn’t want to hear about how beautiful she is. She wants to hear about it from someone she respects for being truthful. Everyone else has an ulterior motive. Likewise, she doesn’t want to hear about her flaws from neggers. She wants criticism from someone she trusts won’t bullshit her (with inscrutable intentions) — which is why they have faggot friends and sassy BFFs.

        The neg tries to do too much at once, which is why reformed omegas have such difficulty calibrating it.

        Matt


        • YaReally
          on September 12, 2013 at 3:56 pm
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          “How would YaReally neg her then?”

          I wouldn’t. Like was said, you don’t neg average girls. It’s overkill.

          “She wants criticism from someone she trusts won’t bullshit her”

          Translation: “Girls of the Chateau, understand that you’re supposed to be attracted to me when I’m blunt and rude to you on here…this is GAME, don’t you girls get it?! Why aren’t you sucking my dick??” I’m certain your game works on internet girls like feministx, but other guys are shooting for higher than ending up like Mark Minter lol



futurodellanazione
on September 12, 2013 at 10:24 am
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A good one: “You’re so pretty I thought you were going to be boring, like pretty girls usually are. You actually have some interesting things to say, sometimes. Good for you!”


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:27 am
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    More of a Statement of Interest and qualifier than a neg, in that you use a neg up front to take down a bitch-shield, whereas this is more something you’d use to transition from Attraction to Comfort. Like this is for letting her know she’s won (or winning) you over, VS a neg which is more of a challenge of “you still need to do something to win me over”.

    It’s still solid game though. I use this one a LOT, and I say it with sincerity VS patronizing sarcasm because you don’t want to patronize when you’re in comfort/rapport. “You know, at first I thought you were just going to be another ditzy airhead cause you’re hot, but I’m actually having fun talking to you. Not many girls can keep up with me like this. I bet a lot of people judge you based on your looks.”

    Pretty much a done deal from there lol



Ed Roy
on September 12, 2013 at 10:39 am
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1. Your hair looks shiny, is it a wig? Oh well it looks nice anyway
2. That’s lovely long hair – are they extensions?
3. I think your hair would look better up/down
4. Nice nails – are they acrylic. Oh, well they look good anyway.
5. Awww, how cute, your nose wiggles when you laugh – look there it goes again !!!
6. Is that your natural hair colour well its not bad So you changed it to that?
7. I like your look, beauty is common but you seem like you have character.
8. You have U shaped teeth.
9. Well at least you have a nice body
10. You are nearly as tall as me. I like tall girls. Are those heels 3 or 4 inches?


  • Crazy Heart
    on September 12, 2013 at 10:45 am
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    Is she always this way?


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:36 am
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      You can dress her up, but you can’t take her anywhere.

      This big list is all solid old-school shit…the actual wording of some of it is kind of socially awkward, but look at the structure of them, not the actual words, and adapt the formula to shit that fits your own style/personality.

      ie – “You are nearly as tall as me. I like tall girls. Are those heels 3 or 4 inches?” might become “You know, ordinarily I’m attracted to tall women, but you, my dear, appear to be cheating. (point down at her shoes and let her fill in the blanks)” or “shit, I THOUGHT you were tall as fuck, but look at those heels. I bet you’re shorter than ME without em. (depending on how much attraction you have, often she’ll take off her shoes to compare heights with you)”

      Same structure of “I like tall girls, but you’re cheating at it, so qualify yourself to me now” but said in different ways.



Crazy Heart
on September 12, 2013 at 10:43 am
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Common one I use on cashiers is “you like your job, i can tell;” works like a charm.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:41 am
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    More a cold-read and rapport-building than a “neg”, but very solid game nonetheless lol takes you out of the customer frame and right into an “I understand you” Us VS Them frame. Solid.



walawala
on September 12, 2013 at 10:48 am
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If she’s acting bitchy…

“you’re quite the charmer. I’m swept off my feet.”

Squint eyes and sly smile while looking directly at her


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
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    Solid. Even if she isn’t bitchy, if she just does anything silly or embarrassing, I drop stuff like “wow, you’re really woo’ing me here.” Or “you just made my boner shrivel up into my belly.” etc

    These are all similar to Mystery’s “where’s your off button?” neg in that you’re busting on her actions in a fun way. So good stuff.



AlphaBeta
on September 12, 2013 at 10:54 am
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I think the author included nagging so that the article could be seen as gender neutral


  • CH
    on September 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
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    Exactly my thought. There’s only so much red pill a majority female audience can swallow at once.


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2013 at 11:57 am
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      Lol I 3rd this. That’s completely what it is. Nagging is not in any way the same, but look girls! My article is female-friendly!!



YaReally
on September 12, 2013 at 10:59 am
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3 things to keep in mind with Negs:

1) they’re more about disqualifying yourself from “hitting on her” than they are about trying to hurt/lower her self-esteem…you showing that you aren’t impressed by her has the side effect OF momentarily lowering her self-esteem (“wait why isn’t he hitting on me like the others??”) but the intent behind it is more positive (a challenge of “i’m high value, show me why I should be interested in you”) than negative (“haha feel bad and weak and easy for my low-value self to take advantage of you!!”)

2) the response to a neg should be LAUGHTER and stuff like an “OMG!! (arm-punch)” or grabbing at you going “noooooo!!!! :D :D ” etc. NOT hurt feelings. It’s a positive experience for her (“omg someone high-value is calling me out on my shit like my brother and dad do lol”), not a negative one (“this guy is a jerk and is making me feel bad”).

3) Mystery’s game was designed to hit on strippers, minor celebrities, etc. He wasn’t using a barrage of negs on your “8 at the local bar, 6 in Vegas” average girl. He was using negs on girls with massive value, in the environments where they have their highest value, while surrounded by men with massive value. Game is designed for 8+ girls. It works on <8 girls, but you tone everything down because those girls have a different view of their value. I RARELY meet a girl who legit deserves a 3-neg barrage and I'm in a large city with a lot of hotties. Most girls are friendly as fuck, esp when you have confidence and your sub-communications down…I would have to actively hit strip clubs or fly to an even larger city like LA or Vegas to run into girls who needed to be negged and even THEN most girls probably wouldn't need more than one.

Anyway, straight from the man himself. You can make fun of his fuzzy hat all you want, but dude knew his shit:

"A NEG is a qualifier. The girl is FAILING to meet your high expectations. Its not an insult, just a judgment call on your part. The better looking the girl, the more aggressive you must be with using negs.

a 10 can get 3 negs up front, while an 8 only 1 or 2 over a longer time. You CAN go overboard if they think you are BETTER than them. you can drop the self-esteem right from under them (just like most 10s do to guys) and this isn't good. You have to get as close to the breaking point as you can without crossing the line. Once you have gotten her RIGHT THERE, you can startappreciating things about her (NEVER LOOKS). There is a mutual RESPECT now. Something most guys never get from the girl.

I believe a burp is an EXCELLENT neg. A neg holds two purposes: 1. to lower the woman's self esteem. 2. to convey lack of interest (which does 1) Burp and don't apologize for it. when she says, "you are a pig", you reply … "you think that? well, my reputation precedes me!" You are actually NOT hitting on her. You are making her feel subconscious and therefore thinking about how she can change your impression of her.
She will TRY to impress you. But you are so matter of fact that she finds it difficult. Stay playful. If she isn't, be like Rhett Butler: The girl says, "You sir are no GENTLEMAN!!" And he says with a smile "And you ma'am are no LADY :) " So be playful and confident at the same time.
The less you need others, the more they will be attracted to you. Gain social skills. Communicate with people. Learn how to talk.

I neg and otherwise are polite for the rest. when she is TESTING me I neg her, then Im polite again. She quickly realizes she gets more attention from me by being nice to me – and this gives her the opportunity to get her self-esteem back after the little neg put downs. You get a 10 through her EGO issues.

"An HB is there surrounded by friends. She has put on this BITCH act. Is she REALLY a bitch? Unlikely. All my girlfriends were wonderful human beings – beautiful people have it easier because they are beautiful and often times have better upbringings because of it. BUT – they need to have a standard with which to uphold when all these NOBODY guys approach her. So her values are very honed and understood. When a man walks up and says, "can I buy you a beer?" she WILL be annoyed by this. While the guy thinks he's doing something nice for her, she gets this ALL the time. She is desensitized to this. You are the 8th guy TODAY! So she is very good at brushing all these guys off. Shit, she HAS to be… she isn't going to sleep with ALL of them! So she may say NO or act annoyed and then the guy thinks she's a bitch and walks off pissed and feeling like a failure. And that seems to work. Sometimes when the girl is particularly in a feeling of control (like in a club where she is PREPARED for the barrage of men – it IS after all something that occurs so often that when it is GONE she MISSES it) she will accept the beer and then flake the guy off. Hey, the guys are stupid enough to buy her one, she might as well take it. When they take a beer from you, the girl is saying to you, "I don't know you and I don't care about you. You are just another one of those typical guys and since I don't respect you, Ill take the beer from you before I snub you."

Since an HB is so GOOD at snuffing your approach (nothing ever personal either – it is a strategy that is built over years of stupid guys approaches EVERY FUCKING DAY, she will do the same to YOU. That is why SNUFFING THEM is important. You cant INSULT them because they are used to all the hurt guys INSULTING them ("ahh you are nothing but a bitch!") so this rolls off their back like water off a muskrats ass. How do you SNUFF them withOUT INSULTING them? Well, let's say she has long nails which are most likely fake. Now why do 10s dress so FINE if they don't want the attention? Because they LOVE the feeling of control sometimes. They are in a club with friends and they want to be the leader of the circle (social hierarchy in primates) and so she gets all the attention. The guys come and buy drinks for them and she gets off on knocking the guys down. Its all in a days play. OK, so she is wearing fake nails to look even BETTER! Most guys will say, "wow you are so beautiful!" BORING, typical and in her mind by now (after years of the same shit) TRUE. Imagine a guy comes along and says "nice nails. are they real??" she will have to concede, "no. acrylic." and he says (like he didn't notice it was a put down "oh. (pause) well I guess they still LOOK good." Then he turns his back to her. What does this do to her? Well, he didn't treat her like shit and INSULT her. He complimented her but the result was to target her insecurity. She thinks, "IM HOT IM BEAUTIFUL (especially in that emotional state of control as in the public)… but I didn't win this guy over. IM SO GOOD at this. ILL just fix that little smear on my image that he has of me." then you continue to show disinterest in her looks as you give her a neutral topic like the Elvis script. During this her intention is to get you to become like all the other guys so she can feel in control and snuff you and you then give her another NEG like this … " is that a hair piece? well, its neat… what do you call this hairstyle? The waffle? :) " Smile and look at her to show her you are sincerely being funny and not insulting. You are pleasant but disinterested in her beauty. This will intrigue her because she KNOWS guys. And this isn't normal. You must have really high taste, or be used to girls or be married or something. These questions make her CURIOUS. So this keeps happening and is known as FLIRTING. She give you little neg hits and these tests are qualifiers. You pass them by neg hitting her back. After all, you aren't like the others showing interest. But… why? To get control again she says, "will you buy me a drink?" notice how she is trying to get you now! BUT, she only wants to sucker you in enough so she can SNUFF you. That is all she is about – this strategy is all she knows and it's not working for you so she is trying to do damage control on the situation. But at the same time she doesn't quite understand WHY you don't think you are great. After all, her nails ARE fake. You say, " ahhh, that's so funny … you nose moves when you speak…… (pointing and being cute) look there it goes again … its so… quaint … hheeeee look " :D She'll say, "ahhh, stoppp!" :) *blush*. Now she is self conscious and having her in this state is where you want her. You have with 3 neg hits successfully created INTEREST (curiosity) and removed her from her pedestal (removed her bitch shield.) You were humorous, you had a smile, you dress well, you are confident and everything she would want in a man.

You didn't take her shit. OH, and when she asked you for a beer, you said, " no. I don't buy girls drinks. but you can buy ME one". You are qualifying HER now. If she buys you a beer, this is symbolic of her RESPECT for you. If not you say, "pleasure meeting you" and turn your back to her again. DON'T walk away, just turn your back. You are neg hitting them again just when they thought she was negging YOU. That is teasing each other. That is the first step to flirting. This is all textbook psychology."



futurodellanazione
on September 12, 2013 at 11:37 am
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Date negs:
“Whoa, slow down, lush!”
“Eat that any faster and you might lose a finger!”
“We’re a cute couple.You look like my cousin and this is a desperation date.” (WHOSE desperation?)
“I bet you work hard to get the world to kiss your ass. Make it worth my while, and I just might.”


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 12:10 pm
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    “Whoa, slow down, lush!”

    Solid teasing. Esp after she’s just done something silly/goofy/retarded. I use “aaaaand you’re cut off” and slide her drink away or cover the top of it, in the same way. This is more teasing than a neg because there’s not really a compliment involved in it, but it’s GOOD teasing.

    “Eat that any faster and you might lose a finger!”

    ehhh this is mostly just an insult. On a 10 it might be good, or like, if she’s knowingly wolfing down food quickly out of nerves etc. but this one is playing with fire on average girls who are already self-conscious about their weight and eating habits.

    “We’re a cute couple.You look like my cousin and this is a desperation date.” (WHOSE desperation?)

    A liiiiiittle bit try-hard but not bad…with a super hot 10, it might be solid because they need a few burns in a row, but again anything an 8 or lower and you’re going to come off as trying too hard to burn her…which she’ll forgive if she’s already attracted to you, but it would be in spite of saying this, not because of it.

    Didn’t catch the “whose desperation” part lol I completely just assumed it would be me giving the girl a pity date because I’m cocky lol. Ya, a hot girl could read into that that she’s the one pity-dating you. So this could go either way, overly cocky or overly self-depreciating, depending on how she views your guys’ value (if she sees you as higher value she’ll assume you meant she’s the pity date, if she sees her as higher value she’ll assume the reverse)

    Either way I’d follow it up with something asap lol

    “I bet you work hard to get the world to kiss your ass. Make it worth my while, and I just might.”

    lol. If you have ridiculously super high value to her AND she’s super cocky like a 9+, and you have the right amount of asshole vibe, this could work. Anything less than a 9, or too soon in the pickup before you have enough value to her, and you’re playing with fire.


    • futurodellanazione
      on September 12, 2013 at 1:36 pm
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      I am married, but these always worked for me when dating. As for “insulting” them, I always let “negging” (we called it “teasing” before the science of PU started to be codified by Ross Jeffries et. al.) act as a “winnowing” tool. Was she too sensitive to handle a bit of poking? Night ends early and I go listen to music with friends. I dodge a bullet! (That’s why first dates are always cheap or, even better, DUTCH). She stick around? Then she was relaxed enough to make a decent date. My wife was the queen of being playful with neg…which made me fall in love with her.

      And one doesn’t need to be an asshole to tease women. If they want to be datable, they have to be friendly…and if they want to be friendly, they have to partake in the give-and-take of being involved with a male, just like men have to be patient (once they get serious) with some female bullshit.

      I see negging as the male version of crying for no reason. You wanna date men? Then learn to deal, toots.

      “I saw those boots on some chick in the mall and thought they’d be ugly on everybody like they were on her…but you make them work.” If she hangs her ego on her SHOES, then that will crush her. Do you want to date any girl–even a 10–who’s that retarded? If it just knocks her back a bit and makes her be human, then you’re both better off knowing.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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        “I always let “negging” act as a “winnowing” tool. Was she too sensitive to handle a bit of poking? Night ends early and I go listen to music with friends. I dodge a bullet! (That’s why first dates are always cheap or, even better, DUTCH). She stick around? Then she was relaxed enough to make a decent date.”

        lol that makes sense then. Even just understanding this mentality of abundance (not caring about the date), screening (testing her sensitive she is), not supplicating (Dutch dates), etc…especially back before everyone started doing this stuff, odds are you oozed high-value to girls. VS a nerdy guy trying to learn pickup who’s sub-communications are all awkward and low-value trying the same lines.

        Like I say, your stuff sounds good in very specific circumstances (like really hot confident girls, you having high value, etc) so I’m glad you described a bit of follow-up on your dating mentality here. I wouldn’t recommend it for newbies hitting on <8 girls is all lol

        And quite frankly every guy should strive to go on dates with the mindset you described lol it'll do way more for them than learning to ask if a girl's nails are real. But we're shaping guys into alphas, so that'll come naturally down the road when these training wheels come off.



Amy
on September 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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Here’s one where I wasn’t sure if it was meant as an insult, neg, or maybe just inadvertent? A guy tells me that he no longer dates really beautiful supermodel types because they’re so boring… less attractive women are better company and easier to deal with. Since we were out on a date, the obvious implication was that I’m in the latter category. Lol

I thought it was funny (in a good way) so I’m not sure if it was meant as a neg or not.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm
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    Jesus. So much face palm.

    This is a really badly applied combo of a DHV and attempted neg but 1) the guy probably wasn’t high-value enough to pull off the DHV and just sounds silly/try-hard, and 2) the neg is kind of harsh for a 6-8 girl

    Points to him for the subtlety tho, how he lets YOU fill in the blanks that he’s accidentally/obliviously implying you’re not very hot lol. That’s how a neg works. If he said “I’m so glad you’re not hot, blah blah”, that’s an insult and try-hard.

    The line “nice nails, are they real?” leaves the girl to fill in “does he think fake nails are BAD? Does he LIKE them?” It’s hamster fuel and before she can decide he’s already moved on in the conversation or back-turned.

    This guy’s neg was the same in that he’s letting your hamster to “wait did he just imply…does he even realize he just called me ugly?? does–”


    • Amy
      on September 12, 2013 at 3:32 pm
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      I think it’s really harsh for a 6 and risky for a 7 or 8. But doesn’t self-esteem come into play? I’d guess the hard negs work best on girls with shaky self esteem.


      • Subway Masturbator
        on September 13, 2013 at 12:55 am
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        No, I think the opposite, although self-esteem is not one-dimensional.

        There are what’s called “brittle defenses”– when someone is rather insecure but they try to shield it with rigid defenses against any “disrespect” ( a common term used by the lowest, criminal classes as an excuse for mayhem).

        Someone who is used to being treated well ( upper-middle class) will have received criticism which has been generally valid and considered, while lower classes may have been kicked around no matter what they did, and thus developed a reactive, smash-the-other-cheel defensive style.

        The neg is to bring down inflated defenses,


        • YaReally
          on September 13, 2013 at 11:00 am
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          This. Negs are for high self-esteem, not low self-esteem.

          You can joke around with your skinny friend about “McDonald’s again? You fatass lol”. You can’t do that with your fat friend.

          This is why we don’t Neg 6s, because the odds of a 6 having super high self-esteem are lower than a 10, so as a general rule it’s best to just assume that.

          BUT, if you DO run into a 6 who fully believes she’s a 10 and is cocky as fuck, then ya, neg away. Or if you meet a 10 who’s super humble/insecure, don’t neg her.

          The girl’s perception of her value (which can be influenced by her own experiences, her environment (shithole small-town bar VS Vegas nightclub, the people around her, etc) IS more important than her objective rating men would give her, buuuuuut most of the time a girls self-perception aligns with the rating men would give her, within a point or two, so we teach it as “don’t neg a 6, neg a 10 three times”

          Figuring out which type of girl she is comes from field experience and learning social calibration and reading people. You can say “well she might be putting on a front pretending to be high self-esteem when she’s not” but field experience teaches you to see thru that and/or test/screen for it.


          • YaReally
            on September 14, 2013 at 2:57 pm
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            “Plus I agree I’m not as hot as a supermodel, so it’s not really a crush to my ego.”

            That’s why you calibrate it to the girl and her values. You’re like a 6-7, so it’s silly to neg you saying you’re not a supermodel because you likely don’t think you are. If you thought and acted like you were a hot-shit 10, then it would work because it’s poking at something you put value in. A guy using a supermodel neg on you would be using negs in an uncalibrated and thus ineffective way.

            Like I wrote to a dude up above, a neg in a California nightclub might be about looks, but a neg in a bar in corporate DC might be about her education or career choice. If I neg you about your education, but you don’t value your education, then it won’t do anything…but if you pride yourself on it, it will.

            It works moreso if you’re high self-esteem because you’re proud of it and everyone else in your life understands that it’s an impressive thing, so when you meet a high-value guy who isn’t impressed by it, the instinctive initial response is “what? No no he must just not understand, he didn’t get the memo that this is impressive! I’ll try to convince him so that he falls in line with the rest of my world who understands that it’s impressive!”

            This is all shit that happens in just a few seconds of an interaction and plays off instincts, not logical thought, so reading it broken down like you might think “that’s not how I’d respond”, but, well, you’re a girl and girls don’t really understand their instincts so…lol



maurice
on September 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm
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I like the example above of a neg being more of a (dis)qualifier than an insult or a tease- it’s connected to keeping the right frame.

Re the routines and lists referenced above, I have always thought that the Mystery/Style routines and negs in the Game were highly adapted to the cultural microclimate of the Sunset Strip and the strippers and wannabe celebrities who hang out there, as referenced above. Those girls are dumb, shallow and Hollywood-gorgeous as a rule, so those are the elements to work with. In DC, for example, the hot girl at the bar may be a well-educated grad of Yale law school and have a prestigious job- so (assuming she isn’t the stereotypical femcunt lawyer and is worth approaching) if you asked her about her fake nails or said something idiotic like, “Do you think spells work?” she’d laugh or walk away.

WIth that kind of thing in mind, I think Game is stronger when it sticks to basic psychological principles, and will fail more often when it is too tightly tied to scripts and routines and fixed procedures.

Indidentally, though this may be due to the microclimate I live in, intelligence and knowledge of the world is a serious DHV to the right kind of woman. Being able to read her and read the signs is the key. Sometimes a swoop will never involve a neg at all.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm
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    “WIth that kind of thing in mind, I think Game is stronger when it sticks to basic psychological principles, and will fail more often when it is too tightly tied to scripts and routines and fixed procedures.”

    This. It’s an art-form based around principles. It’s not the words “who lies more men or women?” that work, it’s the concept of “ask an open-ended question about gender dynamics to start a conversation, instead of a boring yes/no question” that works.

    I’m mind-blown when I hear people still using old-school routines word for word. Like really? You’ve been in the game X years and still haven’t come up with your own shit based on the principles? Use your brain lol

    With the Ivy VS Hollywood thing, it’s just calibrating to what the girl sees as valuable. ie – in Hollywood negging her nails or hair works because those are valuable to her. In an Ivy area negging her choice of degree or her knowledge of the world or lack of travel experience would work better, even tho the same neg concept is behind both scenarios.

    Same time if you ran into an Ivy chick who was dolled up and is always dolled up, that’s a girl who negging her appearance would work on.

    A shit-ton of game is just about calibration and reading people quickly and learning their values and personalities and adapting your game to that…and you can only get good at that thru field experience.



Dealing With Hair-Ruffling AMOGs

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via Heartiste

Mitch Cumstein
on September 11, 2013 at 8:41 am
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I was at this bar/club in town. I’m not a regular there. I’d heard a lot of guys go there to start fights just to get thrown out, so I was ready for any sort of AMOGing.

Anyways, I was speaking with this girl and this guy left his group of friends to stand right next to us and stare at my hair. His friends started giggling and he had a dumb look on his face. I knew what he was up to. Any variation of, “Can I help you?” or “What’s your deal?” and I lose. So I said to my friend, “Did you hear about the 10 gay guys that robbed the bank on Cedar Avenue? Only nine of them got caught…” and I stroked his face. Dude freaked the fuck out.


  • FuriousFerret
    on September 11, 2013 at 8:56 am
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    “Did you hear about the 10 gay guys that robbed the bank on Cedar Avenue? Only nine of them got caught…” and I stroked his face”

    I use the gay tactic too. It’s like the vast majority of men simply can’t handle it. They don’t know what to do when a guy that is obviously straight starts to play pretend faux gay and they just leave.

    In fact, most of the cool guy I’ve known will use this to unnerve people because it so damn easy to tool losers with. It’s like even the hint of gay is the kiss of social death in their mind and must be avoided at all costs. It’s just laughable.


    • YaReally
      on September 11, 2013 at 9:35 am
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      “In fact, most of the cool guy I’ve known will use this to unnerve people because it so damn easy to tool losers with. It’s like even the hint of gay is the kiss of social death in their mind and must be avoided at all costs. It’s just laughable.”

      This is the same dynamic that’s happening with this guy’s hair. “My self-image is Such and Such (straight, don draper, etc), and this person is coming along and making people think I’m NOT Such and Such (making gay jokes, messing up my hair), and that fucks with me because my self-image is based externally! If people see what this person is doing, they might not believe I’m Such and Such! (aka they may think I’m gay, or not a stoic don draper)”

      In both cases if the guy were building his identity internally, he wouldn’t be phased by either action because he knows who he is doesn’t change based on awone making gay jokes or messing his hair.


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2013 at 11:05 am
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        Fuck it, I have lots to say on this subject lol

        To extrapolate this even further, this same dynamic is also what I’m describing here:

        http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-452271

        “Also this concept is part of how I hold my own in the high-end clubs with jacked ripped 6-pack tall rich expensive suit wearing AMOGs. I know they’ve spent and spend so much of their life constructing their outward Identity/appearance of being a rich successful guy who’s good with women etc, and are trapped by their Ego into taking that Identity too seriously, so all I have to do to shake their frame/confidence is poke them with one little niggling doubt about themselves, like not being impressed about the thing they’re trying to impress myself and/or the girls with, or downplaying what they’re proud of to the girls so the girls stop valuing it as well.”

        The underlying consistent theme/principle is “people who’s self-worth isn’t based internally, are shaken when you fuck with the image they’re trying to project of themselves.”

        Image of themselves: “don draper”, “not gay”, “good-looking”, “good with girls”

        How to fuck with it: “mess up his hair”, “imply he’s gay”, “not put value in his 6-pack”, “make fun of him for not getting laid”

        Result if their confidence is based on those things: “the OP”, “confusion / embarrassment / anger”, “sadness / unworthiness / qualification”, “frustration / reactiveness / state-destruction”

        Result if their confidence is based internally: Not a single fuck to give.

        Again this is probably too advanced lol This is the stuff you have to deal with when you’re intermediate/advanced in the game, because you can get results plowing ahead faking it till you make it as a newbie, but down the road you’re at a party getting your hair tussled or being called a faggot or having your girls taken from you by some AMOG and you have to start understanding this stuff and letting go and/or purposely destroying your self-image, if you want the really hot girls who will sniff out and shit-test ANY incongruencies or weaknesses in your confidence, as will their social circles, to make sure you’re legit.


      • Glenn
        on September 11, 2013 at 8:55 pm
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        The whole hair-ruffling thing happened twice; both times, it could be argued, were semi-provoked.

        First time: Drunk guy acting strange around my friends; he was wearing a Marvel Comics shirt, and I told him DC Comics were better than Marvel. He took it the wrong way, we verbally jousted, minute later, hair-ruffling.
        Second time: Hothead type of guy, who was a friend of my friend, walks up to us (me and a group of friends) at a friend’s place. My friend introduces me as thus: “This is Glenn, but you could call him Mr. [a few friend's call me by my last name].” He took the introduction as condescension, and ruffled my hair, walked in some circles while fuming, and then disappeared for the night.

        So it’s not like strangers are just approaching me to fuck with me. These were in the context of not-quite-friendly experiences, and I just didn’t hold my own as well as I could have.


        • YaReally
          on September 12, 2013 at 12:17 am
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          lol wut? Why would you even try to go back and forth with a drunk strange guy who it sounds like wasn’t even a part of your social circle, or with a hot-headed guy who walks around fuming in circles because he doesn’t like an introduction?

          This is like “what’s the AMOG tactic for when a rabid dog barks at me?” You don’t have to get into it and hold your own with every socially awkward random that does something weird around you. Just shrug and chalk it up as a random event.

          Like some AMOG one-liner isn’t going to make drunk Marvel weirdo suddenly be your BFF…would you even WANT him hanging around you? Some AMOG one-liner isn’t going to make an irrational rage-machine be your BFF, especially if you’re looking to “hold your own” against him like you have to beat him at…what? Looking cool to the group?

          Why would these events register to you as anything more than random shit? Did you feel uncool/embarrassed in front of your friends because of their tooling? That’s fine and natural if you did, but if you did then why did you? If you weren’t embarrassed/frustrated, what result are you looking for exactly? What’s the ideal outcome to you with these random weirdos? Looking cooler than them? Not letting them ruffle your hair in the first place? Winning them over? Intimidating them?

          The stuff I’ve written in this thread is more for the “friendly but annoying AMOG who tools you to lower your value in the group” so ya, it doesn’t really apply to your situ…your situ is more “how do I deal with crazy people?” The answer for that is just “don’t interact with them” lol



YaReally
on September 11, 2013 at 9:14 am
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Oboy, here come the eBadass crew, ready to throw down at a friendly fun house party because someone people like in their social circle dared to tool them in a friendly fun (if annoying) way. UNLEASH THE HOUNDS OF HELL AND BURN THE HOUSE TO THE GROUND I HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS AND AM INVITED TO SO MANY PARTIES YOU GUYZ BECAUSE I HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS SO WELL NOW WHERE’S MY MOLOTOV COCKTAIL!!!?!?!

Here’s how you handle it:

1) Internally: your hair is gay anyway. Does that make you sad? Is your whole identity based around being a Don Draper lookalike? Will girls not LIKE you if your hair is messy or if I don’t think it’s cool? Is your whole fucking self-worth based on how perfect your hair is combed? What if I just ran a shaver thru half of it? Would you cry like a little bitch and stop going to parties and stop talking to girls and throw a fist at me because you’re so attached to your external shit that if anyone fucks with it it DESTROYS you? What if I spill a drink on your shirt? What if I tell you your shoes aren’t cool? What if a girl makes fun of your car? You are not your fucking khakis.

2) Externally: leave it messed and turn to the nearest girls and stoically deadpan “girls. My buddy just messed up my incredible hair. Does it look ridiculous? It does, doesn’t it. Now how am I going to lose my virginity, with this terrible hair? I can already see that you no longer want anything to do with me, when you used to love me. Fix my hair for me, so I’m worthy of love again.” and lean forward for them to fix it.

Don’t take yourself seriously. Life is short.

I’m making fun of the OP because its not the same situ as a short guy who gets hair-ruffled because of his height. From this guy’s writing you can tell he’s wrapped up in the identity of trying to be a stoic Don Draper badass…people are fucking with him because they think his stoic roleplaying is retarded and incongruent and they’re right and it bothers him because his brain is going “nooo!!! I’m pretending to be don draper don’t ruin it for me :( :( :( my hair is messed now I don’t look like him o no!!!! Does everyone still think I’m cool??? I gotta run to the bathroom and fix my hair so I can feel cool again before anyone notices!!”

Would they ruffle the hair of some legit alpha? No. Because that guy is congruent and they know it won’t bother him. They’re literally only picking on him because they know it’ll bug him and they know it’ll bug him because he’s incongruent and playing pretend instead of being himself, even if he doesn’t realize it. He’s putting on a persona externally, and people can tell his internals don’t match it.

Anything he does that gives a fuck in any way will be reactive until his self-worth is based on his internal core value where this kind of thing doesn’t phase him, instead of his external shit.

They can tell he attaches his self-worth to his image and they know its not actually solid so fucking with his image will get a reaction because he’s not congruent to it…VS the short guy where they’re picking on him just because they’re bullying him and he can’t do anything about his height. This guys problem is an easy fix (quit attaching your worth to your image), whereas the short guy’s situ actually requires AMOG’ing.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2013 at 9:23 am
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    From my archives:

    ““I don’t know what it is about my approach, but I really tried damned hard to just follow the identity building advice. What resulted was a ton of shit-talking from the women.”
    This is actually a good thing. It means you’re trying to work on your identity, and what’s happening is that you’re working on it but not there yet, so girls and guys are picking up on “this guy is trying to come off like he’s Such and Such but there’s something off about it, he doesn’t seem to really BE Such and Such”. So what happens is they subconsciously try to test you to see if you’re actually this guy.

    It’s like the puppy with a big bark. You KNOW the little puppy is just pretending to be big and scary but it’s not really a threat and so instinctively you want to go “rarr!!” and step toward it like you’re going to attack and it skitters back and hides behind someone’s leg while it keeps barking furiously at you. It’s just cute and funny and totally incongruent.

    But then you run into a lion, and the thing isn’t even doing anything. It’s just slowly walking around surveying it’s surroundings…but you know to stay the fuck away from it, because you know if you test it it’ll bite your fucking head off lol That’s essentially what congruency is.”

    I’m being harsh with the OP because he’s approaching game the wrong way, from an external approach where he’s scared to look stupid. Even if he figures out a witty one-liner for guys who mess with his hair, next it’ll be “what do I do when someone makes fun of my suit?” and “this girl tooled me for bla bla” and it’s all just putting band-aids over the real problem.

    Go out for a month with your hair fucked up, or with no gel in it, or shave it off. That’s the real fix.


    • TheFirstStep
      on September 11, 2013 at 9:50 am
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      Lol holy ****. No lie, I was expecting people to give this guy real lines. But I get it. He’s still getting his validation from the external world instead of himself. That’s why it’s so important to work on inner game and be comfortable and confident with who you are. But this guy could’ve told us that he was confident, and still have some douche attempt to mess with his hair though. It would still be a matter of some dudebro trying to gain social points and this guy being pissed off about it. Then what?


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2013 at 10:55 am
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        If he was confident, dudebro wouldn’t have messed with his hair anymore than you’d go up and ruffle Don Draper’s hair, or he’d have handled it by not reacting and it wouldn’t be something that would happen more than once.

        This is what what the PUA community went through with peacocking when Mystery Method was popular. Mystery can go out wearing a fuzzy hat and all his weird shit, because he was congruent to it…so either people would look at him and be like “man that guy’s weird looking, he must be a magician or celebrity or something” and let him get away with it (the way people do with Russell Brand or Chris Angel who also dress crazy, but they’re congruent to it so we let them do it).

        Or they WOULD tool him on it, but he was congruent/unreactive and it didn’t phase him because he knew even without his hat/boa/nails/etc. he still had a shitload of game and understood that those peacocking things were just gimmicks to help get easy iois/shit-tests, but weren’t the basis of his confidence.

        Then you’d get “normal” guys going out and wearing fuzzy hats and shit, except they weren’t congruent to it, so dudebro would grab the hat off his head and go “lolol wtf is this you homo” and the guy would get butthurt and run home crying that someone fucked with his external image he was building his self-esteem around.

        This is what Don Draper up there is doing, and it’s why I say I can give some cool little one-liners and shit, and that’s going to work once or twice, but it’s just putting band-aids on a severed arm.

        You can make fun of Russell Brand’s look, but he doesn’t care. So you do it once, if you’re a big enough dick, and he doesn’t react, so you give up AND accept him as he is because he’s congruent to it and unphased when you fuck with him.

        Contrast that to like, Justin Beiber acting like a tough-ass. You instinctively want to knock his stupid hat off his head, because you know he’s a little dipshit under his posturing lol And you know that if you knocked his hat off his head he would flip out and try to get all up in your grill and it would be like the puppy-dog barking like it’s a junkyard dog. It would just make you want to fuck with him even MORE.

        Destroy your self-image, it’ll only hold you back. As soon as you get comfortable, make yourself uncomfortable. As soon as you find something that works consistently, try doing the opposite. As soon as you start to value your looks, money, fashion, hair, car, etc. give them up. Once you can keep your core self-worth through all of that, bring all that stuff back and it’ll help you instead of trap you.

        Anyway, I’m probably going way too deep/advanced on this one, especially for the newbies. I know everyone just wants to hear a bunch of witty zingers lol but hey take from it what you will.


        • newlyaloof
          on September 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm
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          No need to mention how this is advanced stuff any longer. It is but we’ve been studying, man! Thanks.

          “girls. My buddy just messed up my incredible hair.” – This instantly neuters the AMOGs attempt to belittle you as you’ve claimed him as your buddy, thus totally blowing this dude’s mind and his plan to destroy your self confidence.
          “Does it look ridiculous? It does, doesn’t it.” – You’re AMOGing yourself better than the AMOG thus showing you don’t give a fuck and have outcome independence.
          Now how am I going to lose my virginity, with this terrible hair? – You’ve lead the conversation to sex in a playful way. How could the girls not like this!!!
          “I can already see that you no longer want anything to do with me, when you used to love me.” – projection that she’s already fallen for you and you’re already involved prior.
          “Fix my hair for me, so I’m worthy of love again.” and lean forward for them to fix it.” – Not Can you fix my hair. Fix my hair – a command they can’t and won’t refuse as it’s all for LOVE and as the AMOG slinks away.

          Classic Ya right there.


          • YaReally
            on September 11, 2013 at 3:48 pm
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            “I do have to say, though, that if the guy is really making himself a pest, stronger AMOG neutralizing may be needed.”

            If it’s one on one, then ya, you might have to step it up (and of course that doesn’t mean violence lol).

            But if you’re in a group, social pressure will actually handle the rest (assuming the guy isn’t a legit psychopath, where you should just be walking away anyway before he stabs you). Once you demonstrate that you’re not phased, the group falls into your frame and the guy looks like a bully and they’ll stick up for you or at least give him shitty judgemental vibes and he’ll back off when he realizes the group no longer supports him.

            This is why Scray writes:

            “I just shrug, raise eyebrows, and overturn a palm…like ‘wtf are you even doing,’ then look away. Usually this causes them to react by smile laughing — sub-communication ‘I’m just joking.’”

            The “oh umm I was just joking!!” backtrack is a direct result of social pressure. The AMOG realizes the group isn’t on his side, because Scray handled it without being reactive and set the frame, so the AMOG feels ostracized and instinctively needs to gain the group’s validation he just had taken away from him, so he backtracks and plays it off.

            If he reacts, the people around him fall into that frame and support the bully (“relax man, why are you so sensitive? jeeze! Bob is just kidding around with you, lighten up!”).


        • Glenn
          on September 11, 2013 at 1:48 pm
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          You know what would be really incongruent? An INTJ trying to emulate playful, high-energy PUA material because it’s cooler to be RSD Tyler than the calm demeanor I have when I’m present and comfortable. That’s what I mentioned being stoic- not everyone is the kind of personality that the Mystery Method caters to.
          I’m not attached to my hair. I shaved it all off on a whim earlier this year.


          • YaReally
            on September 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm
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            “You know what would be really incongruent?”

            An INTJ pushing himself outside of his comfort zone and learning not to take himself seriously? lol

            But to stick to your “that’s just not me” theme, switch what I wrote up to a simple deadpanned: “girls. My buddy just messed up my hair. Can you fix it for me.”

            “I’m not attached to my hair. I shaved it all off on a whim earlier this year.”

            You’re attached to your stoic image and INTJ label. They’re fucking with your hair because it’s the easiest way to try to fuck with your stoic image and INTJ label. And they succeed in fucking with you because even if you aren’t showing it externally to them, you’re here asking for how to react to them, from within the stoic image and INTJ label. You think people can’t see/sense/read that it fucks with you because you play it cool externally, but they can, before they even do it…that’s WHY they do it. It’s all instinctual/sub-communicated, the same way animals go after the weakest prey.

            Even your response to me is based around “no, I’m not that kind of guy, I just don’t want hair in my eyes, no I won’t look at MM for solutions that stuff’s not me, no you’re just rehearsing talking points that don’t apply to me”, which is all just you trying to stay in your stoic image and avoiding admitting that guys tussling your hair fucks with you and makes you feel tooled and powerless/helpless/frustrated in the moment because you don’t view yourself as the type of guy who would feel tooled and powerless/helpless/frustrated. So you’re here looking for a band-aid zinger to not have to dig deeper and learn to be okay with looking stupid and being tooled.

            Gotta’ let go of your image or it’ll keep happening. If you shave your head, they’ll tug on your tie. If you stop dressing up they’ll try to embarrass you in other ways. It’s all to shake you out of your frame because they know your frame is shakeable.


  • Corey Graham
    on September 11, 2013 at 2:30 pm
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    “Would they ruffle the hair of some legit alpha? No. Because that guy is congruent and they know it won’t bother him. ”

    No, the reason they won’t ruffle the hair of a legit alpha is because they know it will start a fight. The term, “alpha”, was originally used to describe dominant males in the animal kingdom, the males no one else in the group wanted to mess with.

    People in the PUA community are distorting the definition of alpha in order to conceal their own weaknesses. It’s like Orwellian doublespeak. War is peace. Strength is weak. “I’m letting everyone ruffle my hair and disrespect me with impunity because I’m so alpha!”


    • YaReally
      on September 11, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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      “No, the reason they won’t ruffle the hair of a legit alpha is because they know it will start a fight.”

      Nope. You’re going by a cartoon character definition of alpha. If the reason they won’t ruffle hair is the fear of a fight then the only people who wouldn’t get fucked with are the biggest baddest looking guys who can kick the most ass.

      Plenty of scrawny alphas don’t get fucked with, and it’s not because everyone thinks the scrawny guy can throw down.



FuriousFerret
on September 11, 2013 at 9:31 am
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“Oboy, here come the eBadass crew, ready to throw down at a friendly fun house party because someone people like in their social circle dared to tool them in a friendly fun (if annoying) way.”

Big difference though between friend and guys you don’t or barely know. AMOG the competition, fuck around with friends.

““nooo!!! I’m pretending to be don draper don’t ruin it for me :( :( :( my hair is messed now I don’t look like him o no!!!!”

Laughed so hard.

Yeah short man syndrome is a bitch for some guys. They try to overcompensate. I’m really starting to see that the master key is just be ‘cool’. I don’t know to accurately describe it’s like not giving a fuck but at the same time looking to win. What I know it isn’t is trying to be exactly like James Bond or George Clooney or something because most people that do are adopting the externals without having any clue about the reasons why those characters act that way, so it can only even work a little when all the stars and moons a line.

Also a big factor I think is to give up hating and not in the external sense such as actions and words but in your own mind. I think that’s fucked me up in the past and I’m letting that go because all these people really are insignificant. Hating and getting mad especially about the past simply makes those people relevant when they should even a bit of importance. The greatest power you can have over any person is the ability to ignore them.

For example Feminists. For the recent past, I would just get angry at feminism and every where I looked I saw white knights, manginas, masculine women, and feminist ideology and it made my head explode. The conclusion that I have come to know is that most people (men and women) just aren’t that cool nor will they ever be. It’s damaging to get upset about losers being losers. SWPL beta males are going to act like SWPL beta males and most girls are going to be vapid, petty and conceited. If you accept people for what they are and know they don’t have any real individual power, you will have a better time in this world. Just be glad you aren’t one of them.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2013 at 11:25 am
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    “Yeah short man syndrome is a bitch for some guys.”

    This is another branch of what I’m trying to describe here. Short man who’s insecure: people fuck with his height constantly, it frustrates him, he reacts, and they keep doing it. Short man who bases his self-worth internally: people don’t fuck with his height as often, and if they do he doesn’t give a fuck and they get no reaction and feel dumb for even TRYING to tool him on it, and they stop.

    This all comes down to “what are you insecure about? What external things do you base your self-worth on?”

    Someone like myself, who’s good at AMOG’ing, will find whatever you’re insecure about and poke you with it, if I need to fuck with you. I’m watching how you react to everything and testing you based on field experience of dealing with thousands of guys, where are you likely to be insecure? Are you short? Ya, but you carry yourself well, and I heard you tool some other guy who made fun of your height…so you’re probably not insecure about that. Are you balding? Nah, you shaved your head, so I guess I can’t make fun of that. How about your clothes? oooo, you’ve put a LOT of time into your clothes. That looks like a custom-tailored suit. I bet it was expensive. I bet you wear it out every time you go out because you think you’re James Bond. Let’s test how secure you are…”wow man, that’s a nice suit. Kind of overdressed for this bar tho aren’t you? lol girls what do you think of my new buddy here? I told him a suit is a little much for this place but he looks good. You want to fuck him, don’t you? Fuck, all you girls are about money and shit. You must get so much pussy hey dude? Are you an investment banker or something? lol”

    If you’re basing your worth on your expensive custom-tailored suit, you’ll start worrying that maybe you’re over-dressed for the place, or be embarrassed to have the spotlight on your suit, etc. God forbid if I see you out again and you DON’T have the suit on and I can bring up stuff like “aw man, where’s your suit? Girls you should’ve seen this guy’s suit last week, it was awesome. Well, this is alright too, can’t dress up nice every day, right? You girls would still fuck him, right?”

    If you don’t actually give a shit about your suit, and your self-worth is based internally, you’ll laugh all of that off, agree & amplify it, or just give off a vibe in general where, like being short or balding, I can instinctively tell you’re not basing your worth on it, so there’s no point in trying to tool you on it.

    This is allllllllll just retarded monkeys flinging poo at eachother shit, and I avoid getting involved in it at ALL, because I like to spread positive vibes and shit…but this is how the dynamic/mechanic works, and the consistent principle underneath it all.

    “What I know it isn’t is trying to be exactly like James Bond or George Clooney or something because most people that do are adopting the externals without having any clue about the reasons why those characters act that way, so it can only even work a little when all the stars and moons a line.”

    This. This is the vibe in the OP’s writing. “I’m acting like Don Draper, but people aren’t treating me like Don Draper. :( ” Fuck your Don Draper self-image. Shave your head or go out with shitty hair and game for a few months.

    “Hating and getting mad especially about the past simply makes those people relevant when they should even a bit of importance. The greatest power you can have over any person is the ability to ignore them.”

    All good stuff, what you’re saying here. Solid internal game mentality.

    “SWPL beta males are going to act like SWPL beta males and most girls are going to be vapid, petty and conceited. If you accept people for what they are and know they don’t have any real individual power, you will have a better time in this world. Just be glad you aren’t one of them.”

    This. In a way, learning game and about the red pill gives you a sort of omnipotence, like you understand other people and what they’re thinking and why they’re thinking it, and you’re looking down on them from above…like watching an ant farm. A lot of what they do seems silly, but none of it really affects you in the long-run. They’re just doing the best with what they’ve been given and don’t know better.

    This is when you start to be able to accept and love women (and friends/family/etc. even the asshole AMOG) despite their flaws. You learn to find the beauty in other people when you accept them for who they are instead of getting frustrated that they aren’t who you want them to be.

    It’s very freeing, and people feel the vibe of non-judgement off you.



Patrice
on September 11, 2013 at 3:03 pm
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YaReally would eat me alive if he wanted to. So would most men. Total omega here.


  • yeahokcool
    on September 11, 2013 at 3:19 pm
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    so, what the plan? are you going to wallow in self-hatred or are you going to improve yourself? if it is the latter, i advise you to never write another sentence that sounds anything close to what you have written here. stop putting yourself down.


    • Patrice
      on September 11, 2013 at 6:25 pm
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      virgin in my 30s. there’s nothing but hatred at this point, for myself and for everyone else. what’s there to like in life? lifelong loneliness and depression? i’m not suicidal but i hope i die in a freak accident. i don’t belong in this world. never did.

      pua works for normally adjusted people who have a minimum threshold of social skills, not creeps like me who have hatred in their hearts.

      it works for naive young betas who may have had a GF or two in high school, or even an a older guy that just got divorced, but for someone who’s in their 30s and has NEVER had even a hint of warmth from a woman, they might as well just die.

      oh wait, let me buy a velvety red hat so i can go to the club and hit on girls who i hate! that’ll work well..they won’t sense any creepy body language at all, right? right?

      i’ve been reading PUA since 2004, but it doesn’t work if you don’t try it. for the younger guys (late teens early twenties) who are in my position, don’t end up like me. get the hatred out before you get old, it’ll stick with you for a long time.

      good luck to anyone who’s improving their lives, but some people just aren’t salvageable.


      • gunslingergregi
        on September 11, 2013 at 7:54 pm
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        troll?


        • Patrice
          on September 11, 2013 at 10:06 pm
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          not a troll.

          game is real, i’m sure game regularly gives omegas success, and with a lot of work they become betas or better, but some people are just too damaged for game to fix.

          you have no idea what i’ve been through.

          it’s easy for some of you to sit on your high horses and say “why don’t you hit a girl bro, stop bein a pussy”. but it’s not that fucking easy for some. i’ve maybe “hit on” about a handful of girls my entire life. i’m just too afraid of rejection. i don’t even talk to girls and i have social anxiety and a lot of resentment. i’m not out there getting rejected all the time like some of you think.

          i’ve reached the point where the hate has put up defensive walls so high that i don’t even allow the possibility of letting anyone in anymore.

          fuck’em i say. where were they when i was young? where were they when it mattered??

          to a lot of you i sound like a weak person who doesn’t even deserve the luxury of game, but what can i tell you? it is what it is.

          and if you looked at me on the street you wouldn’t be able to guess that i’m a virgin. maybe a little awkward, but not a virgin. and i’m better looking than a lot of guys too.


          • YaReally
            on September 11, 2013 at 11:54 pm
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            lol nah, 30 is young as fuck to get into game. I lucked out and got into it in my mid/late 20s, so I have a few years up on ya. But I was a virgin who’d never gone on a date or held a girl’s hand till my mid-20s. Crippling social anxiety, lived in my computer room, all that shit. I know 30yos with like one lay under their belt, no girlfriends in their lives, etc. who are just starting out. Hell, some guys don’t find out about this stuff till they’re 40+. You’ve got 10 YEARS up on those guys lol

            You’d be doing alright by 35 if you started working through your anxieties. It’d be a slow as fuck process, I won’t bullshit ya. You’re not gonna’ be tearing down poon 6 months in lol But a year from now you might be able to hold a conversation with strangers for a few minutes. Two years from now you might be able to talk to girls. Three years from now you might be able to get some phone numbers. It’s all good from there.

            I won’t force it on ya tho. You have to want it. Offing yourself would be a waste so don’t do that shit, I know newbies who’d trade places with you in a second lol

            Tyler was one of the worst newbies, dude was a complete fuck-up and he didn’t have the guidance/resources that you have available to you. Here’s some advice from him on being a hardcase newbie:



Dslap
on September 11, 2013 at 5:25 pm
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YaReally has great advice, but his taunting trying to get after your insecurity move likely would result in a knockout from most of my friends (it makes me want to slap him reading it), the attempt to attack a guy like that can easily come off try-hard and clownish. And no, wanting to slap the guy up the head for acting like that doesn’t mean they are insecure about what you are saying, it can mean you’re annoying as F when you come off like that. But of course, I think he’d pick his targets wisely.

Still props to the inner game talk.


  • PimpinBlueStar
    on September 11, 2013 at 11:24 pm
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    lol. He may be “annoying as F” to the guys, but to the girls it’s hilarious because the dude relying on the muscle/cool guy image who claims to get a lot of chicks is suddenly caught with his pants around his ankles, not knowing how to respond to a novel situation. Whereas, the guy who knows how to play the mind games is calm and fluid in the moment, not flustered with “I”M gonna fuck you up!!!!” emotions, which rarely if ever would your friends ever act on. Be real. Unless they’re really threatened like dude is in his face, fist clinched telling you to “say one more thing”….you’re not gonna do shit.


    • YaReally
      on September 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm
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      “not flustered with “I”M gonna fuck you up!!!!” emotions, which rarely if ever would your friends ever act on. Be real. Unless they’re really threatened like dude is in his face, fist clinched telling you to “say one more thing”….you’re not gonna do shit.”

      The only guys who actually take a swing are guys who are serious legit psychopaths who want a fight, and those guys are generally not around hot girls…they’re stewing in a corner getting hammered and scowling with the bouncers watching them, and EVERYONE including myself is giving them a wide berth.

      The only other guys who take a swing are the guys who appear out of the blue and will swing at anyone talking to their girl because they’re super insecure. And those guys generally won’t punch you, they’ll shove you and threaten you…which gives you plenty of time to either walk away, calm the situation down long enough to walk away, or calm the situation down enough to smooth it over and befriend him.

      The rest of the time, at MOST guys will get in your face and try to intimidate you. Long as you keep your cool, manage the dynamics, and can work the crowd to place social pressure on them, they’ll cave. It’s human instinct to not want to be ostracized from the group.

      From my archives:

      “EVERYONE caves to social pressure (…). Some weaker people will cave to just YOUR social pressure and judgement. Some wont cave until a couple of their friends are against them. Some won’t cave until the crowd is against them. Some wont cave until sufficiently hot girls are against them. Some wont cave until a handful of alpha dudes are against them. Alcohol makes a difference too, the drunker they are the less they care about social pressure and the more you have to step it up.

      …but they WILL cave. I’ve seen extremely tough angry guys turn into children with their tails tucked between their legs by it. It’s a pretty big mind-fuck lol

      The biggest timing trick of the whole thing is to make sure to 180 and befriend the instant you get them reacting to you, VS letting them get super riled up. It’s like the Dog Whisperer says, you distract the dog with a tap when he’s at 2 and his ears perk up at the car driving by, not when he’s at 10 barking in fury at it. Diffuse it at 2 and he won’t get to 10.”


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm
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    “his taunting trying to get after your insecurity move likely would result in a knockout from most of my friend”

    Nope. I know in your head that’s how it works, and on paper it seems like that’s how it should work, and maybe your friends have punched out some uncalibrated dickhead who didn’t know what he was doing, but there’s a reason no one has taken a swing at me yet. I understand the dynamics of how AMOG’ing works VERY fucking thoroughly.

    http://yareallyarchive.com/search/?q=amog+react

    If you aren’t out approaching mixed sets and AMOG’ing guys and trying to take their girls off them, then as much as I understand where you’re coming from, you don’t understand the realities of how the dynamics play out.



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YaReally
on September 10th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
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@themaskandrose
“That being said, what do you attribute this to? The fact that they all tend to use the exact same script?”

Field experience.

There are no theories in Game. Game is a result of field experience: trying shit out and analyzing the successes and failures for commonalities and slowly weeding out what works consistently and what doesn’t, and eventually distilling it all down to some consistent principles that are universally true (like “supplicating is unattractive” and “passing shit-tests builds attraction”).

This is why if you take a Natural who’s never read The Game, but who’s banged a ton of women all his life, and ask him to explain what he does, he’ll describe (with difficulty because he does it all subconsciously) what he does and it’ll sound very similar to what PUAs teach.

Is this fluke? Coincidence? Conspiracy? No, it’s just that when you go out enough and gain enough field experience, you end up coming to the same conclusions as the other guys who have a lot of field experience.

As I’ve said before, part of how I can tell guys who go out (and actively apply game and push boundaries and push their limiting beliefs and get results) from guys who don’t go out is when they disagree with me and by extension the rest of the PUA community. So they say “having money matters”, and all that does is tell me they haven’t gone out enough and actively picked up without relying on money (or purposely handicapping themselves) and overcoming that limiting belief, because if they had, they would come to the same conclusion the rest of us who go out a lot come to: that it doesn’t matter.

So wtf does this all have to do with your question?

Well, the average normal dude goes our maybe twice a month, has a few close friends, occasionally interacts with a stranger here and there, spends a bunch of his teenage years playing Xbox and shit…he gets a little socializing in but not much really.

Contrast that to a girl, especially a hot girl, who from age 13+ is BOMBARDED with attention, especially from men. Dozens of men a day, whether its the store clerk who badly tries to flirt or the BFF male friend who secretly has a crush or the teacher marking her grades based on how much she flirts or how short her skirt is etc etc.

The average girl is forced into hundreds of thousands of social interactions with strange men all through her teens up till she hits the wall.

So, like guys going out to collect mass experience and distilling down what works and doesn’t work in game, women are out being forced to collect mass experience and distill down what works and doesn’t work for dealing with men and getting their way etc.

This is why the socially awkward ugly girl might not be very good at it, but the smokin hot 10 can have 50 guys txting her all day begging for her attention and doing anything she wants, all wrapped around her little finger. She simply has a fuckton more field experience in distilling down what does and doesn’t work.

This is usually all subconscious for girls, the same way it’s subconscious for Naturals…they were both “forced” into learning it by circumstance (having tits for girls, or being in favorable situations as a Natural like being naturally good looking or playing sports in high school etc), whereas PUAs learn this stuff consciously because we purposely go out to rack up mass field experience.

The average decent looking girl has more reference experiences of dealing with the opposite sex by 18 than most guys have of dealing with the opposite sex their entire LIVES.

So ya, it’s basically field experience, not a super secret vagina conspiracy theory lol

This is also why guys with game flip so many attraction switches in girls…because they have so much field experience for how men are supposed to react to their shit that when you react differently they’re blown away and intrigued and aghast and you rock them off their stable footing. So they shit-test you because that always works for them as they’ve learned over the years, but you pass their shit-tests and they’re blown away again. No one has ever done that to them except their dad or older brother etc. Who is this guy who doesn’t act like all the others?

And it’s all attraction from there.


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YaReally
on September 14th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
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@avd
I think the real question everyone wants to know the answer to is: how does YaReally fit into this conspiracy?

(lol sorry Rollo!)


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YaReally
on September 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
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@deti
I heavily agree with your whole post.

“I’m beginning to believe that in terms of discussion on the internet, where it is still mostly anonymous, candid and explicit, not much is going to be accomplished with men and women together discussing intersexual relationships”

I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: one of the big reasons the PUA community made so much progress in breaking down social dynamics so fast was that we didn’t have women in our community. Everything came down to logic and field experience. Even if you disagreed and fought with eachother, we all had the same common goal and we would put shit to the field test and find out who was right or wrong.

Contrast that to the manosphere where I’m over on Heartiste today like a dumbass explaining to the silly solipsistic “red pill women” there why their bad advice is bad and re-explaining red pill nuances that I KNOW most of the men there already understand. It’s such a waste of time and energy and quite frankly I’m retarded for even trying but good god the comment section is like 20 pages of Live Journal estrogen these days because now that the girls have been given validation of the label “red pill women”, they’re suddenly “experts” and need to share every detail of their lives feministx style.

Women are simply not capable of being red pill and they slow up progress for men because we have to spend an extra 10 pages explaining to them why they’re wrong and trying to convince them of something they never really wanted to accept in the first place, Aunt Giggles style.

There is nothing women can teach men about social dynamics because everything they believe is 1) solipsistic and 2) not necessarily how they will ACTUALLY emotionally react in the moment or how they’ve acted and backwards rationalized later.

At best all they can do, like Rollo described, is inadvertantly provid examples of what we’re talking about.


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YaReally
on September 18th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
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This Ana chick is a perfect example of where we end up having to waste 10 pages explaining shit to a woman that she doesn’t get, doesn’t want to get, and couldn’t get even if she tried to.

VS 10 pages of discussion about something that will actually make progress and help other men. I’m not anti-women-in-the-community, but like I say, there’s a reason our “boy’s club” of PUAs skyrocketed game knowledge in such a short time…we didn’t waste time giving a shit if women approved of what we were saying lol


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Scray
on September 10, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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Well……phuck…………………………

Long story short, smashed that divorced single mother in the wide social circle that the 7 is a part of. I thought she was an 8 or something, but like….her face is maybe a 5, but her body ls liiiiiike……….an 11.

Dis is great tho. Cause u see, she is 31 (older than me) and has two kids (fairly old). All the greatest features evaaaaar. She’s a roman catholic half-hispaic, half-white….

The main issue hurr is that t3h sex was t3h most amazing ever. Liiiiike, cosmically righteous. Liiiiiiike, I felt like I was on drugs afterwards. Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike, I feel like I has become a man nao.

Can’t really eat, can’t sleep…..all can think about….is smashing her moar.
Horrible situ. Srs.


  • RappaccinisDaughter
    on September 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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    You’re not looking to marry this woman, correct? So who gives a shit how old she is and how many kids she’s got?

    Just…make sure you wrap it. With your own Trojans, that you bring to the party, and make sure you flush ‘em down the toilet when you’re done.


    • YaReally
      on September 10, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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      “Just…make sure you wrap it. With your own Trojans, that you bring to the party, and make sure you flush ‘em down the toilet when you’re done.”

      This. Watch out for the 30+yo chicks. Esp when you’re a young up & coming law(?) type dude who’d make a good provider to lock down with a pregnancy (or even just a scare).

      Otherwise have fun lol Older chicks usually know their shit in bed compared to the young’uns, partly because they know their bodies better and partly because, like how a fat chick gives good head, they HAVE to be good in bed.

      You’ll be a better lay for the hotter girls down the road when you’ve had good sex a few times in your life, even if she’s a butterface. Try banging her and then going out to the bar after lol it does good things for your vibe with other girls to have just been laid.


      • Scray
        on September 10, 2013 at 5:34 pm
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        Hnnnnnng.


        • YaReally
          on September 11, 2013 at 3:54 pm
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          Also stick to the rules. Once a week max, once every two weeks is preferable with an older chick…she’s not going anywhere, she’s old, so you don’t have competition that’s going to take her away, and she’s going to get attached a lot faster than a young’un. Don’t txt every day. Don’t do DVD cuddle movie nights and shit that isn’t sex related, etc.

          Long as you’re safe/smart about it, it’s fine. But that magic rainbow-shooting pussy will make you want to not be safe/smart lol



Hunter
on September 10, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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so last weekend… kinda started to try to do the ‘kiss girl in 10 secs’ challenge that yareally shared in that liam vid WAY back in june or something.

friday night, after getting out of my scared self, i go up to redhead across the street:

Me: Hey I gotta ask you something.
Her: Yeah?
Me: Would you ever kissed a stranger on the street?
Her: Hmm no.
Me: Oh…
Her: Well… (smiling)
Me: (in my head i’m thinking, oh shit)

Friend pulls her away as she asks where i’ll be tonight. I tell her this where. she can’t go to the bars there cuz her friends aren’t old enough (college town).

Definitely going to try this again this weekend. Maybe even today after work lol (I feel like i’m going to tell myself i wont be able to though).


  • YaReally
    on September 10, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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    “Me: (in my head i’m thinking, oh shit)”

    lol. :) Happens to all of us. You do something, are surprised that it works and works WELL so you choke, then you try to recover like “o no wait!!” but the moment is gone, and you just chalk it up as a reference experience for the future so that when you’ve done that thing enough times, and it’s worked enough times, it becomes normal to you and doesn’t catch you off-guard and you make the moves you should make.

    This is the learning process and why it’s important to keep going out regularly lol You can’t learn this shit from just reading, your brain needs to collect reference experiences.

    They key to take away from this is her “Well… (smiling)”. That was your window of opportunity to jump through. You just gotta’ 1) believe that those windows will appear for you so they don’t catch you by surprise like this, and 2) jump through when they’re there.

    RSD Tim in the first 45 seconds of this clip gives some bootcamp students shit for not pushing their sets, then at 2:30 he says “”Have you had your first bar makeout?”? No. GIVE her her first bar makeout.” Same advice to you with that kiss thing, GIVE her that experience of kissing a stranger, not an “Oh…”:

    From your last mini-FR:

    “I could’ve easily stopped her at that point… BUT i was too much of a pussy lol.”

    And from your last big FR:

    “I sort end the convo/run out of things to say while we’re in line together, so it gets awkward, but at this point, I’m less afraid of stuff like that.”

    “She looks over from time to time from across the room, and I KNOW I should approach her, but I end up never doing so.”

    “I also notice these two girls dancing with each other, but dancing pretty close to me and my buddy. (…) they sort of dance around me again”

    “They sort of stand there amazed waiting for me to say something else, but of course I don’t and then motion to my friend and say “Hey man, lets dance!” and we dance and the girls sort of leave our area.”

    Notice the pattern?

    I haven’t been ignoring your FRs, but it’s hard to give you much advice at this point except “get in there and do SOMETHING” because you keep either not approaching or prematurely ejecting lol And that’s not a judgement call on you or anything, it’s no big deal, we all choke…BUT…don’t make that your Identity. Don’t make your Identity “the guy who doesn’t approach”. When you write stuff like “but of course I don’t approach” and “so of course I don’t say anything”, you’re building an Identity as a guy who doesn’t approach or have anything to say, and your brain/ego will feed into that and the next time you see a girl it’ll say “lol remember we don’t approach, that’s other guys not us, let’s go and write an FR about this”

    Now if you’re approaching and bombing, that’s awesome. We can deal with that. Like the above with the “Oh…”, I can tell you “k in this situ you gotta’ do such and such, here are some vids, here’s some stuff to keep in mind next time, now go put yourself in that situ again and let us know how it goes and we’ll keep tweaking from there”.

    The reason I was able to help Scray so much is that right from the start he hit the ground running by throwing himself into shit…sometimes like a totally uncalibrated bull in a china shop at first (lol) but that’s cool, we can mold that into something and guide it toward success. But with the stuff where it’s like “we danced all night and some girls looked at us but we didn’t approach” it’s like all I can do is say approach lol

    RSD Julien on collecting reference experiences (this relates to your chick you went home with for your buddy but didn’t bang in your last big FR (I fully support not banging her lol but props to you for going through the motions and collecting the reference experiences of “what it feels like to pull”)):

    RSD Jeffy on Premature Eject-ulation):

    You might be putting too much pressure on yourself that you have to have the perfect approach and so you won’t go over because you don’t feel like it’s going to be perfect and smooth and awesome. If that’s the case, go out and purposely try to get 10 blowouts in a night, like girls telling you to go away or fuck off lol

    Or you might be feeling like you need more ioi’s before you approach, more of a guaranteed green light that she’ll be receptive, in which case you should bring in the 3 second rule where as soon as you make eye-contact you have 3 seconds to approach the girl, so you can short-circuit this hangup.

    Or you might be having general AA, but fortunately you have a pickup buddy so you guys can work together. Give him $100 (if $100 doesn’t mean anything to you because you’re rich as balls, give him $500 or $1000). Tell him to give you back $20 for each approach you do (or $100 if it’s $500 etc lol)…whether the approach goes well or not, as long as you approach and open the set, he gives you a $20 back.

    Another game is the 30 second game, where your friend counts down from 30 (as fast or slow as he wants) and if you haven’t approached by the time he gets to 0 he gets to punch you in the arm hard.

    You basically need to make “not approaching” more painful (physically, financially, or emotionally) than “approaching”. :)

    Once you’re approaching, even if you’re fucking up, we can work with that. But all I can say right now is get in there and start chatting up these girls who look over at you. Go fuck it up, that’s fine, I won’t judge ya. I’ll give you more props for going in and fucking up than not going in at all or bailing too early.

    Good luck, keep at it!


  • Scray
    on September 10, 2013 at 7:21 pm
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    Humiliation is the only way. If I were you, I’d just make it a point to go out and approach without getting laid in mind. Like, go up to a girl and just say something really obnoxious.

    Ya, I’ve done it for shits and giggles (there’s a FR around here somewhere with the opening ‘so do you do anal?’). You have to free yourself from the opinions of others. Bomb in front of your bros, go after the hot chick with everyone watching. Dare to fail. And when you get in there, just go for it. The level of success you need to experience in order to feel god-like is VERY low, lol.

    I still have trouble completely going for it, but as time goes on it gets easier and easier.

    That’s all I can really say atm (that’s ass-to-mouth), because atm (at the moment) my thoughts are kind of a jumbled mess.


    • YaReally
      on September 10, 2013 at 8:15 pm
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      “The level of success you need to experience in order to feel god-like is VERY low, lol.”

      This is an important point lol especially when you’re starting out. You hold a 10 minute conversation with a smokin hottie and don’t even get a number or anything but you’re like “woohoo I am awesooooommeeee!!!!” dancing around lol

      You get numb to it the more you do it, which is why you start pushing things down the road. Opening with crazier shit, opening harder sets, escalating faster, going for 3-somes, etc.

      But when you’re starting out, just getting yourself into set can be an addicting adrenaline rush…so get the fuck in there and crash & burn. :D


      • YaReally
        on September 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm
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        Also this is why I told Scray in one of his first FRs to not even think about getting laid till summer. Like to rule it out as a possibility for a few months. I didn’t want him to put too much pressure on himself and define success as “did I get laid?” I wanted him to keep his threshold for success down at “did I approach?” because you don’t just jump up to the top of Mount Everest, you climb your way up chunk by chunk from the bottom.



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Erudite Knight
on September 10, 2013 at 8:38 am
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The irony here is pretty high, I said to call a guy out for his behavior on an earlier post and got labeled ‘white knight’ now here is the exact advice to call a guy out.


  • Amy
    on September 10, 2013 at 9:19 am
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    The boob-grabber guy and the receptive girlfriend? The big difference there was that the “girlfriend” was welcoming that guy’s advances, revealing herself to be a tramp who doesn’t care about her supposed boyfriend.

    Alex’s girlfriend is responding appropriately to the unwanted attention. It bothers her, he is protecting her because she’s demonstrated she’s worthy of it.


    • YaReally
      on September 10, 2013 at 9:57 am
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      “The boob-grabber guy and the receptive girlfriend? The big difference there was that the “girlfriend” was welcoming that guy’s advances, revealing herself to be a tramp who doesn’t care about her supposed boyfriend.”

      lol this. Fuckin spergers. “I PRESS GAS WHEN LIGHT IS GREEN WHY EVERYONE PANIC WHEN LIGHT IS RED????”



JCclimber
on September 10, 2013 at 8:43 am
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Have to agree on the doctor angle, having a large number of physician family and friends.

The only ones that tend not to be that way are high end surgeons, ER docs, and those older veterans who’ve either done some foreign hellhole volunteer work or worked in the military hospitals. Something about all that blood, death, and destruction seems to toughen up their mental attitudes.

The rest have the same problem that the rest of high IQ, lower social quotient have to deal with: lack of experience with women. Less time spent on the sports field, more time spent hitting the books.


  • YaReally
    on September 10, 2013 at 10:06 am
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    “The rest have the same problem that the rest of high IQ, lower social quotient have to deal with: lack of experience with women. Less time spent on the sports field, more time spent hitting the books.”

    This is what I’m talking about when I point out that having an amazing career and money and looks often means you can’t have much game, because all your free time is spent working and in the gym and you don’t get the social experience you need. Even if you added “learning game” to your workload you’d be adding hours of reading/watching vids to learn what game IS and how to apply it, not actual in-field hours. And without in-field hours, you don’t actually have game in the crunch…you may UNDERSTAND it, but you can’t APPLY it.

    That said, I think this next gen of guys will more organically discover the rules of Game earlier in life as it becomes more mainstream (thru the ample blogs like CH, MSM shit like Maxim ripping off PUA stuff, thru bros giving eachother actual red pill advice etc) and be less focused on chasing the white Pickett fence dream and will make more time for “partying” as they develop themselves. One of my social circles involves a bunch of now-graduated med students and when they had to study, they studied hard, but when they didn’t they partied harder than most normal people I know lol

    In the past most of those guys would probably have just stayed in when they weren’t studying, but the times they are a changin’. The rich successful ripped guy with game that is extremely rare right now and in the past, may become more common in future generations.


    • Life at Calhoun's Lake
      on September 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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      “In the past most of those guys would probably have just stayed in when they weren’t studying, but the times they are a changin’. The rich successful ripped guy with game that is extremely rare right now and in the past, may become more common in future generations.”

      Lol. Not too rare. Perhaps not common but the type’s around. The guys I run with may not all be jacked, but they damn well better be successful with money AND with girls cause our lifestyle chews em up and spits em out if they aren’t. You’re in LA though, right? I don’t fuck with the West Coast often, but I can see the “successful” types being on the softer side out there. Those in the good old boy circles of the Midwest and East tend to be more hardnosed.

      Are there gameless lawyers, doctors, and bankers cluelessly encrusted in the fantasy football and HGTV lifestyle? Absolutely. But most guys in general are robotic schlubs. Atleast from my experience, the percentage of men that have banished themselves to the white picket hellhole with the first Mrs. Chubbs to take their bait is far higher amongst the leagues of engineers, accountants, and non college educated tradesmen than from the pool of those in the upper tier careers.

      It’s the men on the edges that possess game. On one hand you have the hicks in their cut off flannels driving their jacked up scrap metal. The white trash goons that live and die by the weed and booze. The low end pyramid scheme hustlers. On the other side you got judges and venture capitalists. Heirs to old money tycoons. Both sides got game. It’s the mushy middle 90% where you find the sea of schlubs.


      • YaReally
        on September 10, 2013 at 1:15 pm
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        Their jobs are irrelevant, is all. I ignore everything about a guy when I first meet him, when it comes to judging his game. All it comes down to is when I see a girl ping on his radar, that I know he’s attracted to, does he go for her or not.

        Everything else is irrelevant. If some mushy chubby effeminate accountant is approaching hotties while the rich judge badass who tears up board meetings and closes multi-million dollar deals says “she looks busy” or “after this drink”, the accountant has my respect and the judge is just another AFC in alpha clothing.

        It’s entirely possible for a rich 6-packed dude to BE this, but it’s rare. More common is the group of rich 6-packed guys who all TALK like they’re like that, but are closing uglies and calling up hookers at 2am lol. The thing is their talk is super convincing to anyone outside of their group, and they often even believe it themselves.

        That’s why I ignore it all and wait until there’s a hot girl in front of them. That’s where I see whether they’re alpha in reality or in their minds.


        • RP
          on September 10, 2013 at 4:09 pm
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          That’s a good test.


          • YaReally
            on September 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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            Keep in mind that I don’t even care if the guy GETS the girl. You can’t get every girl, that’s just marketing lol you can’t control whether a girl will react well to you (tho you can tilt the odds in your favor highly with game), but you can control whether you TRY or not.

            What it boils down to is “there is something I want. Do I attempt to reach out and grab it, or do I avoid risking failure/embarrassment/social judgement/an ego crash, etc and NOT try, and then make up hamster rationalizations for why I actively chose NOT to take action when my goal was in front of me?”

            I’ve seen some seriously alpha-seeming testosterone-overflowing guys spend all evening while we pre-drink bragging about their conquests and their bros giving them props and talking smack to eachother about how they’re gonna get pussy that night and all that shit…reduced to a nervous uncomfortable shaking-in-his-boots chugging-more-liquid-courage AFC mess when we go out and he sees a hot chick that’s just standing there alone and bored looking at him hoping he’ll come over to say hi…let alone a HARD approach. Usually the guy gets so shit-faced he takes home an ugly or goes home solo and writes the night off as “ah I got too drunk is all, I would’ve had this super hot chick that was checkin me out, stupid jäger shots hurr durr” or calls up an ugly/average fuckbuddy at 1am so he can say “oh I’m off to a booty call, totally getting laid tonight!” and qualify himself.

            Guys are full of shit. I will throw out everything you’ve ever accomplished in your life, every mountain you’ve climbed, every hottie you show me pics of on your Facebook, every sit-up you’ve done at the gym, every thousand you have in the bank…all that matters to me is do you take action in the moment, or don’t you?

            And yes I hold myself to this standard too, and yes I choke a bunch too, we all have off nights and I’m just a normal PUA etc. but I can guarantee that if the girl is both our type and the big alpha bravado dude beside me is making excuses, he’ll find himself talking to the back of my head as I walk over to approach the girl and take action.

            Maybe I’ll get her, maybe I won’t, but in that moment I’ll be the guy will balls enough to go for what he wants.



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YaReally
on September 6, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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Hungover so here’s a quickie:

Q1: if she hasn’t changed her at-home behavior (ie – fucking you), then she’s legit and dude is just annoying to her but she doesn’t want to make her office life awkward by telling him to fuck off. Befriend him at the party and be cooler than him so he knows he’s on your radar but also that you’re a cool guy. Make sure your chick knows she should be clinging to you thru the night so the guy takes the hint. If she treats you like an orbiter at the party, search my archive for the phrase “epic post” where we covered the titty-grab-hug guy’s incident.

Q2: you can still fuck her, I saw green lights all over that story. You actually recovered from that fuckup well by having options/abundance. Well-done, most guys wouldn’t have been able to recover. Props to your game and lifestyle. 2 weeks radio silence to miss you, then invite her out for gay friend shit, isolate and escalate.

Q3: What CH said.

Q4: If you’re her highest value option, she won’t cheat. If you’re not, she’ll be fucking the guy from Q3 when he learns a little game lol

now to go shit out some beer ugggghgh…


  • YaReally
    on September 6, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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    Fucked up the “epic post” thing, here’s a direct link: http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/8/#comment-heartiste-463871

    You don’t need it unless you find yourself stuck as an orbiter at her work party tho. Like if she isn’t clinging to you and touchy-feely and introducing you and very clearly proud of you and in love with you etc. in front of everyone.

    Don’t let your blue collar 5,6 shit fuck with your head. Doctors are just guys who went to school longer than everyone else lol he’s not automatically better than you because he has a PhD.

    Watch this video on how women view their boyfriends and their flaws/features:

    Understanding what he’s talking about in that video is important. This mindset you have of her being out of your league will fuck you over down the road but you don’t have to let it. Watch this video.


  • YaReally
    on September 6, 2013 at 5:53 pm
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    (also incase it’s not clear, I don’t think the Asian chick in Q1 is cheating or interested in cheating…but she will down the road if you keep up the “I’m unworthy” frame lol)



K H
on September 6, 2013 at 8:47 pm
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Hello Gents,
I really need advice because I’m the person with the most game in my group and advice from any of my friends would be useless.

I asked a girl out for lunch and she said yes (she was very excited) during lunch she drops that she has a boyfriend. I ignored and follow through like nothing happen. I ask for a second meet up and she says yes (again, she seemed very excited about it). She could not look me in the eyes and only looked at me when I looked away. The day comes and she comes up with some lame excuse why she can’t go out, and does not offer another day to reschedule (I know that’s bad). For the first time ever she looks me dead in the eyes. I know this is a challange and refuse to look away until she does. I will the shit test; if it was one. I don’t want to be butt hurt about it but I call her out on her behavior by teasing her about it. I know she didn’t expect to be called on it. She does not look me in the eyes anymore. Now when I see her at work I’m professional as always but don’t give her the attention I used to, I walk away while she is still talking; I act with complete dominaince. I don’t know how to re-engage, any advice? Thank you gents.


  • YaReally
    on September 7, 2013 at 7:12 am
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    Go meet other girls. You are shitting where you eat, with a girl who has a BOYFRIEND no less. Do you just not give a shit about your job/career?



Greatest Beta
on September 7, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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A top alpha male:

Must be powerful, must be charismatic, must be good looking and must have wealth. This criteria is what makes a top top alpha male. Now it simply isn’t possible for all of us to have these traits. Some of us may have these traits but not have the perfect face, or 6ft height plus, or the wealth, etc.

Therefore, there are lesser alphas. Some of us fall in these camps. I consider myself the greatest beta or the weakest alpha due to several factors:
(1) emotional attachment. If I bang a girl 3 to 5 times I get sprung hard. Easy for me to fall in love.
(2) height. I am 5 ft 8.5. On the shorter side but I recognize that women will always gaze at the 6ft 2 guy that walks into the room. Some things we have to accept and I am content with my height.
(3) career wise I am doing better than average, but nothing spectacular yet. I have improvement to make in these areas. I am a 4th year lawyer with my own practice which is slowly doing better. My father has millions but those are his assets not mine and ive successfully removed myself from that type of thinking. I let them know in a subtly way “my father is well off”

For now I’m focusing on my business, focusing on my yapping skills, and approach women at many junctures. I enjoy the game for the fun of it. Will be posting field reports from time to time (scray will enjoy these stories lol) WILL remain single no matter what as I keep getting wrapped up with girls that aren’t right for me.


  • immoralgables
    on September 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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    Why did u just qualify yourself to us


    • Greatest Beta
      on September 7, 2013 at 6:26 pm
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      As Matt said below, Im not qualifying its a description.
      I could easily have lied and said im this that and a whole bag of chips. But why in the hell would I do that? I see this as a forum for discussion of women, pick up stories, hypergamy and how western family is going to shit.

      Here is what you need to understand. Value is how you perceive yourself. We all have human value. A bum has just as much human value as does a CEO of a 20 million dollar company. But how do we perceive ourself? The way the WORLD sees us. Now, the CEO has 1000 times more SOCIAL value than the bum. Who is gonna get more play? The same applies for the 7/11 employee, or the best buy cashier, the walmart sweeper, the starbucks barista, etc. This is a fact: social value has tons to do with alpha.

      So, in order to increase your alpha, you need to increase your social value. This is why I visit this place, to increase my alpha. My social value is good but I want it to be better. My game is pretty good but I want it to be better. My looks are good but I want them to be better. Its about improvement. At 31 yrs old, I have a good 10 years to increase my social value. Thereafter the fun in life starts to peak.

      So, in order to increase your alpha, not only do you have to increase your game, but also your power, your wealth, your knowledge, etc. Its a combo of things, not just game alone. Those who deny this deny reality.


      • immoralgables
        on September 7, 2013 at 7:09 pm
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        Bro, based on your descriptions of where you’re at in life, I can make a judgment call and say that you are already “enough.” Fuck the fixations on height, looks and wealth that you put so much emphasis on.

        You’re already there man but based on your writings you wouldn’t think so.

        You are already enough.


        • Greatest Beta
          on September 7, 2013 at 7:40 pm
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          Not yet. Im not there on a material level. Sure, I’m not getting any taller and I accept that. My game can get tighter and is continuing to get tighter. My wealth and power can grow but only if I work at it.

          Again, it’s one thing to have some money but another to be able to move shit. I recently signed up some rather large cases that have the ability to place me on the map. With some hard work, balls, blood and sweat, coupled with knowledge and practice of the game, don’t you think that will help me blow away some of my competition? Imagine two alpha dogs, one with 10k and the other with 250k in the bank. Who do you think Is going to get the better quality woman?


          • YaReally
            on September 8, 2013 at 11:12 am
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            “Imagine two alpha dogs, one with 10k and the other with 250k in the bank. Who do you think Is going to get the better quality woman?”

            The one who values their money in the bank less.

            You’re fully locked in social conditioning right now so you won’t understand this till you’re older and you get to the end of the rat-race only to realize it wasn’t relevant.

            I’m working on a rich chick right now who slips me money to buy her shit in front of her friends and wants to update my wardrobe for me because I only have a couple outfits lol. She has jacked rich guys begging her to marry them. But they don’t give her the emotions that I do.


          • YaReally
            on September 9, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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            @Greatest Beta
            “Making her feel emotions is one thing but at the end of the day it depends on what you really want in life.”

            I agree, given equal game (which doesn’t happen lol but let’s say for argument’s sake it did), the $250k guy will be a more appealing provider than the $20k guy.

            But if your goal is monogamous long-term marriage, you have a lot of reading on MRA/MGTOW sites to do about marriage laws, family court, pre-nups, etc.

            “Alpha fucks beta bucks.”

            The $20k guy can always get the chick, married to the $250k guy, preggers. If he wants to raise the kid, he can always help her instigate divorcing the $250k guy so that he’s paying child support but the $20k guy gets to raise the kid.

            These aren’t ideal circumstances or anything, but there are ways to make it work if you’re the $20k guy. lol

            “But if you want a family (tough to do in this environment”

            I agree with this. Honestly, the way Hypergamy is encouraged and the way the court systems work and all, there just isn’t much incentive to attempt a traditional family.

            “but I see the sweetness of children) money is necessary.”

            Until she divorces you and you don’t see your kids. Hopefully you keep that $250k job so you don’t end up like Dave Foley:

            Or this guy:

            http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ytzca/alimony_and_child_support_was_over_100_of_my_take/

            My point with the chick buying me shit story isn’t that that’s an ideal way to live or anything, but that if you have game/charm/charisma and give a woman the emotions she needs, she’ll overlook your flaws and compensate them for you. ie – this girl isn’t buying me clothes out of pity, she’s doing it because she wants to show me off to her friends…so my lack of money isn’t an issue because I’m high-value enough to her that she’ll make up for it instead of just finding a rich guy who makes her feel the way I do, because she knows how rare that is to actually find.

            I’m basically saying that if you don’t have the game to land her at $20k, you don’t have the game to keep her at $250k. :)



Recommended Great Books For Aspiring Womanizers

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YaReally
on September 4, 2013 at 11:41 am
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“My Secret Garden” and it’s sequel “Forbidden Flowers” by Nancy Friday. You don’t really understand female sexuality if you haven’t read these. And yes, your mom, your sister, and your Madonna one-itis have had similar fantasies.


  • Creo
    on September 4, 2013 at 11:58 pm
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    Hey YR, if youre with a chick and you get out that book and start reading some of the fantasies in it to her i would imagine that would be a good idea.lol. have you tried that? how bout to a chick on the 1st or 2nd date?
    i just read an excerpt of the first book..sounds like pure pussy lube.



As Good As It Gets

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YaReally
on September 3rd, 2013 at 7:40 am
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“The real measure of Game is only truly tested by how well it gets you laid.”

“if you aren’t getting laid then your Game is untested and not as legitimate as someone who has put their own Game into successful practice.”

Yep. In the oldschool community we had rules where you had to have successfully field tested your shit before you presented it to the community and then the rest of us would test it too. You didn’t come in with theories, or we would mock you and tell you to go field test it and then come back.

A lot of people think I’m abrasive and an asshole when I write about game in the Manosphere but I just have a very black and white view of it: if you go out and get laid a lot, you will end up at the same conclusions the rest of us who’ve gone out and gotten laid a lot have come to. It’s that simple. That’s why when you ask a Natural how he games, he’ll naturally spout some stuff about how to get women that sounds like PUA game…because it all comes back to “what works”.

I’ve said it numerous times: if the PUA community found out that you need a 6-pack and Ferrari to get hot girls, we would be the FIRST ones telling everyone to hit the gym and make some bank. But we’re out there stunting all over this social conditioning on the regular, and getting laid, so when some guy comes along ranting about how he KNOWS you need looks cause his buddy went to the bar and a girl said she liked his 6-pack and he had sex, all that does is tell me you don’t go out or if you DO go out, you don’t push your comfort zone and your game is weak.

The reason I’m an asshole about this and won’t cut any KJ theorists any kind of slack on it, is because I don’t give a shit if you feel good or not. This isn’t The View, I’m not here to make everyone feel good and special and like they can spout bullshit wrong theories (because we have so much evidence that it’s wrong from the guys actually going out) and we’ll all cuddle and pat him on the head, anymore than I would cut someone slack if they said “I like to rape babies!” If someone posted that, then no, they don’t get to get coddled and made to feel like their opinion may carry some merit.

They are wrong and I will call them out on it because giving out misinformation is what made half of us blue pill beta retards in the first place: society fed us a bunch of wrong information and we were taught to give everyone’s ideas merit and not tell them “no, dipshit, bringing her flowers and telling her she completes you ISN’T going to get you laid”.

(I have no problem with either men who don’t get laid or women etc who give advice that DOES gel with the experience of guys who go out a lot and get laid…it’s when those people try to argue against what we teach that it’s like okay, well we have the combined anecdotal evidence of tens of thousands of PUAs over 10 years banging chicks left and right who disagree with you, so if you have a differing opinion then you better have a lay count in the thousands because otherwise STFU, we’re discussing reality not theory)

“As I stated in Fidelity, I’m not anti-marriage, I’m anti- uninformed, pollyanna, shoulda’-saw-it-coming, ONEitis fueled, shame induced, bound for bankruptcy, scarred my children for life, hypergamy’s a bitch, marriage”

Ya, this is pretty much the PUA outlook too. We aren’t against marriage, we’re against marriage for the wrong reasons (scarcity mindset, fear of being alone, caving to social pressure, etc).

Tyler said it back in one of his earliest speeches: “I’m not against marriage, but for me wanting marriage in the past was a symbol of my own inadequacies. I wanted permanence. Guys who are good with women are not bothered by impermanence. You think some pimp dude can’t find a quality girl? That’s not a problem. His problem is he has all these girls calling and he’s trying to move on with his life.”

And here’s Tyler at his buddy’s wedding talking about how they have different views on marriage but accept that about eachother:

The point is that you make an informed decision about what YOU want and what’s best for YOU and YOUR goals, instead of allowing other people or society to dictate that for you…but most guys don’t even realize they HAVE a choice in all this or that they could have options that aren’t traditional, and we just want them to explore that a bit before they decide what they want.

“From the extreme manosphere perspective marriage is akin to Russian roulette with 5 rounds in a 6 shot revolver”

Personally as I found the Manosphere and MRA sites, I lean more towards this view for myself…I’m not against a serious LTR, who knows maybe I’ll even be alright with monogamy later in life if I meet a chick that blows my mind and all, and maybe I’ll want kids etc, but as it is right now in modern North America, the legal contract that is marriage, and the laws around divorce and family court, and the YOLO eat pray love societal encouragement for women to be flakey etc, it just seems like too big of a gamble for me to have any interest in it. If a guy does it, and he’s aware of the risks, man, I wish him the best and hope it works out, but I don’t want to roll those dice myself.

“I have no doubt that the idealization of marriage, enduring companionship, mutual love and respect are very strong desires for men”

It was for me, before I found pickup and actually had sex lol. I wanted the Disney dream entirely and visualized that as how my life would be. A lot of guys are that way when they come to the community.

The problem is that reality steps in and shits on that and you have to either willingly blind yourself to reality and take the blue pill (and even lash out at red pill beliefs to re-enforce your decision etc), or you have to say “look I wish the world was like this, but it’s not, so I’m going to have to adapt to what’s in front of me and consider that my end goals may have to change into something that’s more realistic.”

This is why I make fun of the guys who think their virgin EE foreign bride they’ll get someday is going to be “different”. Like her pussy magically works different and Hypergamy etc don’t apply to her. Those guys are just looking for a loophole in the reality they don’t want to accept is in front of them, instead of re-evaluating their world view and adapting. They’re the same as the blue pill guys, clinging to “but I don’t waaaaaant it to be like that!!!! :( :(

“But what if as good as it gets is simply entertaining a succession of non-committed, non-exclusive relationships?”

Personally, I think this is the way things are heading. In my own life, I’m happiest with a Primary GF that I do all my relationshippy stuff with, and a couple Secondaries on the side for sex where I get sexual variety and my Primary can’t deny me sex and force me to be involuntarily celibate to control the relationship and I don’t develop a scarcity/needy mindset that makes her lose attraction for me, and the ability to hook up with randoms for sexual variety now and then (like while travelling for work or at a bachelor party or whatever) if it’s kept discreet from my Primary and I be safe about it and prioritize my Primary over them etc.

Like so far I’ve found that this arrangement is the least drama and the most emotionally rewarding (in terms of all the girls in the arrangement are content with their place in it and appreciate the time they get with me) and avoids a lot of the issues that fuck up monogamous marriages.

I think as more guys experiment with this kind of thing, they’ll feel the same way. It’s completely selfish sounding and society will hate on this setup, but if you can ignore that pressure to conform, it’s really a nice arrangement. There was one point where I had this harem setup in full glory, like each girl was perfect for her role etc and I remember closing my door after sending a Secondary home after banging her, walking back to my bedroom txting my Primary to wish her a lovey dovey goodnight, and collapsing on my bed thinking “man, I don’t know if I could ever be happier than I am right now.” That felt like it was as good as it gets right there, esp compared to everyone I know in traditional relationships who seem just constantly miserable or at best content but with no fire in their eyes anymore. Like Maher says:

“These guys, they were mustangs. Did whatever they want whenever they want…but now…”

I can think of MAYBE 2 modern relationships I’ve seen that seem fully functional and like “oh I can see the appeal in some of that” but even then it doesn’t compare to the harem setup to me. On the flip-side I can think of DOZENS and DOZENS of fucked up relationships around me lol

“Rather than a deliberate or unintentional “marriage strike” perhaps the direction we’re headed is a sustainable series of modular monogamy or perpetuated singleness?”

No homo but personally in my 20s-30s I would way rather move in with a good male buddy and be badass roommates partying and macking on girls and spinning plates together while we each work on our careers and hit the gym and play Xbox and shit, waaaaaay before I would get hitched and move in with a chick and become the generic guy Bill Burr describes here, which is what most of them look like to me:

Like maybe at 40+, but in your 20s-30s? With game tech readily available to learn? And all the risks/downsides of modern monogamous commitment? Shit, it’s not even a debate to me lol

How will this all work down the road for the human race? I don’t know. I mean in theory I may not reproduce if I get hit by a car at 35 or something VS the dude popping out kids at 22, which suggests that all this game stuff was a waste because I wouldn’t be filling my biological imperative or whatever.

But I look at it like maybe we need a couple generations of dysfunction like this before the blue pill world finally has to acknowledge there are issues and men are unhappy, and maybe future generations will have marriage/family laws re-worked to offer some kind of reward/incentive to men. If my not reproducing means that down the road society adjusts things to make reproducing and fatherhood more beneficial to men (VS working them to death, giving their money to their ex-wife, and taking their children away so they can’t even raise them proper), well hey, personally I’m alright with that.

…of course if I find out I’ve got a terminal disease and only 6 months to live or something the backup plan is to just go rawdog a hundred women and make as many me’s as possible lol

Anyway, Leykis is kind of a douche but he makes a lot of good points lol


YaReally
on September 4th, 2013 at 4:46 am
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@avd
“Show me ONE spectrum in life that is literally black and white. It doesn’t exist.”

2 + 2 = 4. You can whine that you think maybe 3 + 5 could or should equal 4 but you would be wrong and I would call you out on being wrong.

Gravity’s another one. You could tell me you think the air pushes us down to the Earth but I would rightly make fun of you for it lol

“As far as I can tell, you are the living embodiment of the RattLife punk”

Your entire post is all just attacking me personally because you can’t argue with the content I write. You’re the equivalent of a feminist discarding game because whoever wrote the article she read about Hypergamy didn’t have a PhD. They can’t debate the content so they try to discredit the person and hope no one listens to them. How many message boards have you whined about me on, now? If you don’t like my shit, skip my posts.

“* You give out a lot of “black and white” misinformation that is equally dangerous.”

Like what? Be specific and I’ll be happy to address whatever it is you think is dangerous misinformation. Please quote my posts when you do.

“I’ve noticed, quite often, that you conveniently omit significant details from your experienced instructions”

Lol my 20 page posts don’t have enough details? Okay then. What significant details do I quite often omit? Ask away.

“And we’re to believe you, why?”

Well you could simply go out and approach hot girls regularly, game mixed sets, try PUA exercises out for yourself for a few years, build a bunch of social circles of various types of people, do that all when you’re in good shape and dressed well, then do it all again after getting chubby and dressing down etc.

…but it’s a lot easier to just follow me around the net with your e-rage lol

I don’t even care that you do that, it doesn’t bother or upset me, it’s more that I feel bad Rollo’s comment section always ends up with one of your “I hate YaReally” rants following my comments. No one is reading your comment going “I’m sure glad he posted that, reading that was a good use of my time and I got a lot of value from it!”

It’s like when your socially awkward weird friend follows you around and you have to be like “uhh sorry about my buddy here, he doesn’t get out much” and feel bad that other people at the party have to endure him.

“and NOT on board with the MS—why the fuck do you frequent this community?”

Oh I like the MS. Rollo and Heartiste write great articles, as do some of the other bloggers. But you guys don’t have enough experience with PUA to fully understand it, so I’m here to clear that stuff up and give details on it so you can better understand it instead of blindly claiming stuff like “ya those gay PUAs only know how to get one night stands and they all wear fuzzy hats” and embracing ignorance.

My first post in the Manosphere was on Heartiste’s, where he was saying BradP’s Horse Girl opener doesn’t work. He didn’t understand how/why it works or how to apply it because he’s a red-pill/Manosphere guy, not a PUA, so I clarified the nuances (your fav word right?) of how to make it work etc to clear up the misinformation.

Personally, I’ve found that PUA, Manosphere, MRA, and MGTOW all have a lot in common and SHOULD be working to understand eachother instead of insulting eachother or running around saying “don’t post your PUA shit here, we want to keep our head in the sands and keep acting like you guys are still running 2004 Mystery Method wearing fuzzy hats!!!”

“Why not just stick to the RSD forum?”

The guys there are already on their way to learning solid game skills. Manosphere guys are way behind the curve and I like to help other men get a better game skillset and understand women.

“I’m quite certain that no one in the MS ever requested that you come here to enlighten us with your scripted template bullshit.”

I don’t think anyone in the MS ever requested that you come to Rollo’s and Heartiste’s comment sections to waste a bunch of space with this non-value-giving e-Drama but that doesn’t seem to have stopped you either lol

“what do you aspire to accomplish here?”

Helping other men improve their understanding of social dynamics, women, game, and encouraging them to apply it.

Scray over at Heartiste went from unconfident, unsure of himself, and not getting laid, to a social badass who enjoys going out and is actually getting pussy now, because of my posts helping him and his own efforts and dedication to the process:

http://yareallyarchive.com/scray/

You can think I’m a poopy-head, but I’m not here to win your approval, I’m here to help guys like him fix their lives. YOU’RE certainly not helping guys like him, so someone has to.

“why do you continue to ceaselessly waste your energy on them, and subject us to your antics?”

Because when I post, people write stuff like “Props @YaReally. Great as always” and thank me for posting and tell me my writing has helped them.

“Solid (overpriced) shit,”

They have hundreds of hours worth of free content on YouTube and on their forum and in articles and Tyler personally encourages people to pirate their old expensive DVD products.

Don’t say stuff on the Internet that’s easy to prove false. It just makes you look willfully ignorant.

“but it would never work for my style”

I’m certain your style is fantastical and amazing. Please post about it so we can all learn from you. I would much rather read a post by you that gives value like that than more of this gay negative obsessed-with-me shit that doesn’t help anyone.

So lets hear the “avd way”. We’re all ears.

“I don’t see how inflicting RSD graffiti on the MS is going to help those guys”

I link other companies too. RSD just happens to put out way more content than all the other companies, and they cover a wide range of subjects, and deliver clear explanations, so I link their relevant videos to expand on the conversation.

Who does your “I hate YaReally” graffiti help?

“Ya, do you have anything original to offer, like, from your OWN life?”

I imagine that somewhere in my 50000 pages of writing I’ve probably mentioned one or two things from my own life. Feel free to search thru here and do your own research:

http://yareallyarchive.com/

I suggest typing stuff like “my life” and “my experience” and “personally” into the search engine.

“Given your dependence upon posting RSD videos to bolster your position”

I post any videos that are relevant from any company. You can keep saying I only post RSD stuff but again this is that thing where it’s easily proven false and you’re just looking like you revel in being ignorant.

I would be happy to post your videos that explain game concepts in depth and that will help other men improve their lives. What’s the URL for them?

“Thank you for sharing your personal experience. We all learn from it.”

Wait so now you LIKE my posts? Make up your mind lol

“You do know that Maher is homosexual”

wait…are you NOT homosexual?? Are you sure? I’m pretty sure I saw you posting about trying giving head once…

“I’m no supporter of marriage, but in my life, 90% of my friends’ marriages are sound”

Ya, a lot of guys who’s wives/finances/GFs I’ve banged are convinced their relationship is sound.

“I’m quite certain that MANY times you have enthusiastically encouraged other males to NOT “work on their careers””

Then you’ll have no problem quoting where I’ve said that. I’ve told men not to expect their career to guarantee them pussy and I’ve told them they don’t need a good career to get pussy and I’ve told them that often men focusing on their careers work spend too much time working and not enough time socializing and approaching women…but I don’t tell men not to work on their careers.

“Which is it, punk?”

It really stings when you call me punk. Now I know how the bad guys in a Clint Eastwood movie feel!! Please stop!! No mas no mas!

“I’ve never listened to Leykis, but nice parting snipe—your forte.”

…I don’t even know what this means lol I don’t think Leykis is reading these comments and I’m pretty sure if you listened to him you’d go “wow this guy sounds like a douche” lol

But I guess educating yourself on shit before you fly off the handle in a blind berzerker rage would be out of character for you. See what I did there? A parting snipe! Classic YaReally, what a dick lol


As Good As It Gets

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YaReally
on September 4th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
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@avd

“I only started posting to counter your caustic effect on the community.”

wait…you mean…you mean…I CREATED you??

http://images.wikia.com/inciclopedia/images/b/b5/Inglip.jpg

God I love your posts lol FRAME COLLAPSE. BOOM.


YaReally
on September 4th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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lol


YaReally
on September 4th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
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“This MS shit is about YOUR life, not someone else’s life.”
“This is about YOUR life.) Not some dipshit’s view of what your life should be, posting anonymously on the internet.”

Yes, I agree. That’s why I wrote exactly that in my post here:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/amog-tit-grab/#comment-463871

Where I wrote fantastical quotes like: “The most important part of all of this is that these are YOUR personal standards, that are based on how YOU feel and what you want and what your goals in life are. I can’t give you the list of what your standards should be. No one else here can. There’s no “this standard is alpha, this standard is beta”, that’s all bullshit. “I don’t do it because it’s alpha, it’s alpha because I do it.””

I’m glad to see you agree with my writing. I’ll have to assume you endorse the rest of my writing that you clearly haven’t read (this is that willful ignorance thing you do that I was talking about). :)