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Tampa
on May 31, 2013 at 11:31 am
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“Bring the Movies” will always have a special place in my heart, but one vote for “gay”


  • LZOZOZOZOL

    sorryyr i have not been postsing but da GBFM has been overlaoding overloaded with sweeeeet summertime pususysysysp pusussyyss and reading da GRETA BOOKZ

    by day goesz like disz

    1. get up early at 10:30 ama AM
    2. tell hot hottiez in da gbfm beedx bedz “TIMESZ to WAKE UPZ and GO 2 WORKZ!!!!”
    3. she saysz “Where do youw workz?”
    4. GBFM sayz “i haven’t been fully honest with you.”
    5. she lookz at me, showing a boob from under da sheetz
    6. da GBFM does her one more timez and says “OK now realy gotta go 2 woerk work call ya laterz — hey wait take da moviez” and i ggive hger her da movies she brought over as last nite was a “bring da movies” nightz lzozozlz
    7. it is noonz and da GBFM takes out HOMERZ ILIADZ to see how REAL MENZ useddz to act like RELA MENZ with HONRO AND INTEGRITY and DECENCY And COURAGE AND NOBILTY nand MANLY MANLIENESS And how WOEMNZ acted like real WOMENZZ before dey were all nerbebekankied in der bugholeozoz
    8. and da GBFM readz and reandsz and readz all day longz

    and the sun begeinz to go downz
    amd da GBFM thinks to himselfz
    “MAN it’s been 10 hours since ive had me som pusysysysysysysy zlzolzlzlzozoozl”
    so like AHCILLEZ da GBDFM TAKE ACTIONZ
    to correct teh rowrld and ste set it rightz
    and get some pusysysysyss overz
    but does da GBFM go out?
    hell nNO! going out is for betasz
    who use der beta bucks to pay cover charageez
    and buy girls dinnerz and drinks and foodz
    so dat when dey show up at da GBFMZ
    dey are not hungry and won’t eat my pziziz pizizzia
    nor my heinkeks nor drink my heieneieksz nor PBRs
    but will only take
    a GBFM milk shake
    lzozzlozzlzozoozozozozozozoz

    1. 9 PM: da gbfm sends out a mass text 2 all my ladies:

    “lotsa cocksa 4 u lzozlzlz.”

    da gbfm then gets back dozens of messages:

    lol
    wtf

    ok
    haha
    ???

    kewl
    wat?

    2. da gbfm waits and hour and sends out to everyone again:

    10 PM: “srry wrng #”

    da gbfm then gets back lotsa texts

    awwww
    lol
    too bad
    u got my hopes up
    damn you

    ur loss

    3. da gbfm then waits ’til midnight and texts to everyone:

    12 Midnightz: my place 30 min.

    den da gbfm sits back and watches the parade arriving on his door camera monitor while he watches da espn highlights and reads homer’s odyssey. ding-dog ding-dong they ring da gbfm bell one by one hoping to touch da gbfm’s ding-dong zlzozozzozololzollzo but if they are under an 8 da gbfm just ignorez & reads his boookz zlzozoolzz

    at 1 am a hot hottie shows up and da gbfm hits the buzzer and lets her up.

    da gbfm saves lotsas times and money while the betas liquor her up at the bars and da gbfm gets to hang out with homer instaead of goldidggers and douchetard boobie-men manboobz at all the clubs these days lzlzllzlzl

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do nottry this on your own as da GBFM needz you out there buying them drinkz all night and getting them dinnerz as i don’t want no hos eating my puizzaaa and heinekinz beerz!!!! we all have our part in this so please please respect yo!!!!! lzozolzolozzzz


    • Zombie Shane
      on June 1, 2013 at 6:23 am
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      > but does da GBFM go out?
      > hell nNO! going out is for betasz
      > who use der beta bucks to pay cover charageez
      > and buy girls dinnerz and drinks and foodz
      > so dat when dey show up at da GBFMZ
      > dey are not hungry and won’t eat my pziziz pizizzia
      > nor my heinkeks nor drink my heieneieksz nor PBRs

      In most of the kinds of young-people-dive-hangout environments [and even most middle-aged hangouts] that I’m familiar with, I just don’t see how you work “Game”.

      At its heart, “Game” involves maintaining [and especially guiding in the direction in which you want it to be guided] some sort of a conversation with a chick, and for the life of me, I don’t understand how you pull that off when the DJ is blasting the gangsta rap at 125 dB.

      Unless you’re both lip readers.

      In those kinds of environments – absent the potential to distinguish yourself from the competition with the soothsaying of your forked serpent tongue – you’re in a much more physical competition with the Guido crowd and their greased hair and their gold chains and their [gayish] obsession with pumping iron and their BMWs and whatnot.

      Not that there’s anything wrong with pumping iron – I love to exercise – but I ain’t obsessed with it.

      Anyway, I am a huge, huge fan of talking to chicks IN REAL LIFE [during the daytime, out in the real world, in normal everyday encounters], and then, when you do step it up to the romantic shiznat in the after hours, you take ‘em to a place like a nice restaurant with an outdoor veranda*, where you can kick back and sip on some wine or some cocktails and just have a nice pleasantly refined adult conversation about how you’re gonna fuck each others’ brains out later that night.

      And taking a bitch on a romantic picnic, lying on a blanket, in a park, with some adult beverages [which requires you to be manly and carry that ice cooler about half a mile], is just about the most fun you can possibly have in life.

      *But even most indoors restaurants nowadays are getting so noisy and shrill and cacophonous that you have to lean over and cup your hand behind you ear to try to figure out what the hell somebody is trying to say to you.


      • YaReally
        on June 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm
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Sidewinder
on May 31, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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Related to text game, here is the update from an online dating game question from a couple weeks ago:

I asked for advice concerning a girl who politely cancelled meeting me because she had something going on with another guy and wanted to see where it went. I wasn’t sure how to respond because it was generally polite, and since we had never met, I felt any kind of negative response would indicate butt-hurtness.

YaReally agreed and suggested that I stay positive and say something casually light and humorous. I responded to her “good luck. Let me know when you’re ready to party with a real man”

She responded last night “so…..I’m ready to party with a real man. :-) Let me know if you’d like to meetup for a drink sometime.” Any suggestions on how to close this one out? My thought is to ignore the previous cancellation, but I want to somehow motivate her to prove her interest to me at the same time. Advice?


  • Sidewinder
    on May 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
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    My response: “might be free mid week. send me a pic. I don’t remember what you look like”


    • Lara
      on May 31, 2013 at 3:52 pm
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      If she is smart, she’ll send you a picture of someone else, and try to catch you in a lie.


      • YaReally
        on May 31, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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        1) don’t do this, it’s a good idea in other circumstances but it’s over gaming in this circumstance because she’s throwing herself at you now by coming crawling back. It’s not the same as if she was a bitch or aloof or needed to be worked on still. In certain situs this is definitely a good plan tho.

        2) she won’t send a fake pic because she wants his cock in her, she doesn’t want to “catch him in a lie”, she wants him to fuck her brains out. How does a girl not recognize when another girl wants dick? lol


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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    “Who’s this?”

    lol, no, just kidding. That’s only for bitchy/cocky girls, she doesn’t deserve you being a dick lol

    This is a done deal now. Don’t over-game it, invite her out for drinks this weekend. She’s opening her window and throwing herself out there, admitting she wants your dick in as forward a way as she can in this situ. Let her know she can trust you to be a man and make it happen and arrange a situation where it can “just happen”

    Don’t bring up her flaking or the other guy at all right now. If you want, you can do that on the actual date face to face over drinks and tease her a bit about him, that’s fine that’ll build attraction and make her want to qualify and invest in you to make up for it, but if you do it BEFORE you’re face to face, you’re risking triggering ASD and embarrassment and she isn’t attracted to you enough to plow thru that. She’s coming back to you kind of embarrassed/humbled, don’t kick her while she’s down or she’ll probably just back off entirely.

    It CAN work out to tease her before meeting up, but it’s just not the optimal move. You CAN win a poker hand playing the 20%-chance-to-win move but if you have the option to play the 80% chance move, play that instead.

    Pounce fast. You can do something alpha like “Bar Name. Saturday night, 7pm. We’ll grab a drink and I’ll make sure you don’t own 7 cats.” She should jump on the opportunity. You can probably bang this out this weekend if the logistics aren’t terrible. Ideally pick a bar near your apartment or at least have a solid plan for how to get from there to your apartment. I usually do a drink or two and when it’s on just say “I have a bottle at my place lets just go drink there instead of wasting money here”

    Have a plan for how to get from the meetup location to your place. Will she have her car? Do you mind leaving yours parked overnight? It’s better to go out of your way to pick her up so she doesn’t have a car to worry about, when you have too many drinks and have to cab it to your place (or hers and she can drive you to your car in the morning). Etc etc plan this Day 2 out, google “Day 2″ for ideas of what logistics to focus on sorting out. Don’t just meet up at some bar in the middle of nowhere that ends up cockblocking you. A shithole little pub by your house within walking distance (call it your “favorite little pub” or say “I’ve never been to it before but always been curious what its like, let’s check it out”) is 100000000x better than a fancy upscale “impressive” lounge downtown that’s harder to transition from (finding cabs, worrying about parking cars or leaving them overnight, etc). In fact a shithole pub gives you reason to leave lol “lets get out of here and drink at my place, I had no idea this place was so sketchy!”

    Good luck, rock that shit ASAP. Don’t overgame.



Inane Rambler
on May 31, 2013 at 1:09 pm
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I’m sorry, but “gay” sounds butthurt.

“Nah” all the way.


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 5:28 pm
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    “gay” is just for calling her out on bullshit that she KNOWS is bullshit. It’s like saying “I know you know you’re being stupid right now, and I know you know that I know, and I’m calling you out on that…get your shit together ASAP.”

    It’s not an all-purpose response, it’s for a specific circumstance and that specific circumstance makes it not come off butthurt like it does in every other circumstance.



the latent sadist
on May 31, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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God this is the perfect post for me today. Read this text exchange i had with a very cute little 19 year old. Backstory is i met her, arranged a meet,then on the day of… she invited other people/played games. I ignored the living shit out of her and truly wrote her off. I refuse to chase any girl. But the following was pretty golden.. and i have the chateau to thank. She texts me last night.

(Note the response times)

(Her) 10:04.pm: Come hang out with me and ****

(Me) 11:29.pm: Yo

(Her) 11:30.pm: What are you doing

(Me) 12:19am: Um what

(Me) 12:28am: I wanted to know if you were down to hang out with me and ***** but never mind

(Me) 12:43am: Its complicated

(Her) 12:48 am: “Its okay”

(Me) 12:51am: 8======D ~ ~ ~

(Her) 12:54 am: Woahh I didn’t expect that

(Me) 12:59 am: I know right

(Her) 1:02 am: We should hang out sometime. Just us.

(Me) 1:18am: You think so

(Her) 1:21 am: yes

(Me) 1:42am: Convince me

(Her) 1:47am: You want me to convince you to hang out with me?

(Me) 2:15am: Just means its up to you

I felt unsure oafter her question… and i was pretty exhausted. I tried to respond as neutral as possible. Not back tracking, but not completely squashing the exchange. That was it.

So this morning she sends:

*I would like to hang out with you but if you dont want to then that’s fine*

Say what you will about the ending, but the terse, assholish texting got her to invest and try to get me out. Im pretty pleased.

[CH: Well played, right up until the end. But you already noted that, so I won't belabor the point. When she said "we should hang out sometime. just us." that was her hamster suddenly imploding on itself. she knew she overplayed her hand, and now she was in chaser mode. That was your cue to stop fucking around. a simple "ok" would have sufficed.

Your worst mistake (and in the scheme of things, it wasn't really a big mistake) was when you said "just means its up to you". That line sounds like you're backpedaling and worried that you over-reached, just like she worried the same about herself earlier. If you're gonna go alpha, don't go half-assed. Go full ass, or no ass at all.]


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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    “(Me) 1:42am: Convince me

    (Her) 1:47am: You want me to convince you to hang out with me?”

    Her hamster exploded here. After you fuck her, when youre debriefing her and ask her when she decided she wanted to fuck you, she’ll reference this txt.

    “Your worst mistake (and in the scheme of things, it wasn’t really a big mistake) was when you said “just means its up to you”. That line sounds like you’re backpedaling and worried that you over-reached, just like she worried the same about herself earlier. If you’re gonna go alpha, don’t go half-assed. Go full ass, or no ass at all.]”

    This. Solid read CH. OP went incongruent here by backpedalling, should’ve pressed forward and taken the lead after shaking her hamster up. If this were a boxing match, he ducked under a haymaker and landed a rock-solid punch that got the other guy dizzy and defenseless up against the ropes but then stopped punching and told the guy “well? Aren’t you going to knock yourself out for me?”

    It’s okay to chase when the window of opportunity is open. That’s not beta, that’s knowing what you want and taking it like a boss. Don’t let your ego/pride fuck up situations that can be turned around easily into a lay, like this one. You can’t Next a girl who hasn’t fucked you, that’s her Next’ing YOU, and you should, for the sake of learning and improving your skillset, try turning tough situations around. You won’t be landing the hottest girls if you bail at the slightest shit-test, they’re not going to just spread their legs for you and beg you to stick it in. They want to know that you’re a guy who unapologetically takes what he wants against all odds.


  • walawala
    on May 31, 2013 at 11:40 pm
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    Great exchange. The last line is passive, nothing’s ever up to her.

    But there are no real mistakes if the overall exchange is alpha.

    Girls get a feeling they don’t analyze each and every word the way we do here.

    I’ve had weak exchanges and banged the girl.

    I’ve had great exchanges and didn’t.

    Girl I’m banging and I who have had major falling out seems back in chaser mode.

    She comes to party I’m at last night after I blew her off.

    I game her, then at some point, spank her ass. She suddenly perks up with a mixture of shock, embarrassment, and intrigue.

    Me: “I hope there was a photographer around, that would be my new profile photo”.

    Later I suggested we get out of there but she had to work early the next morning.

    me: “Ok”….disappear.

    Later I sent a simple text:

    Me: Meow.

    Her; 1 second later ‘yes’

    That exchange means nothing. I send nonsense, she acknowledges it. But on an attraction level it means she’s thinking of me.

    So overall, it’s about the feelings you spark.

    I think text game only works if there’s some type of initial attraction and/or rapport created.

    It doesn’t work for me with girls I meet online who don’t immediately agree to meet up.

    Text game just drags on and on and on never leading anywhere.

    Also, girls tend to mirror your text game. If you send caveman texts:

    “gay”

    “meow”

    “Right”

    they tend to repeat this.

    If you explain something and chat, they tend to be more communicative.

    One girl I gamed last year after I banged her revealed, “I was always intrigued by your one word bizarre texts”.


    • YaReally
      on June 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm
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      “The last line is passive, nothing’s ever up to her.”

      Yup. This. Never let her lead the relationship or make the decisions, especially when it comes to sex. It’s “come up and we’ll watch a movie”, not “do you want to come up and watch a movie?” It’s subtle but it’s important and flows thru your whole frame/interactions.

      Don’t stress it tho, it won’t cost you the lay, it’s just something to keep in mind. Always be pushing forward.

      “Girls get a feeling they don’t analyze each and every word the way we do here.”

      This. This flows into the concept of “change her mood not her mind”.

      “That exchange means nothing. I send nonsense, she acknowledges it. But on an attraction level it means she’s thinking of me.”

      Legit shit right here. Good stuff. This extrapolates to real life interactions too. A lot of my interactions are just nonsense small-talk on the surface but there’s a ton I sub-communication going on under the surface that her and I are both aware of but often people listening can’t read.

      “I think text game only works if there’s some type of initial attraction and/or rapport created.”

      Nah. It’s just tricky because its extremely easy for the girl to ignore you, flake, wait to reply till her buying temp settles, etc. but it’s totally do-able…just not with the one-word Jumbotron alpha style txting.

      The main prob is a lot of guys aren’t past the hook point when they try this one-word response stuff. But the girl isn’t attracted/invested enough to be intrigued, she just doesn’t give a shit and assumes you’re boring and nails.

      So I’d rephrase your bit to “I think minimal alpha Jumbotron txt game only works if there’s some type of initial attraction and/or rapport created.”

      “Text game just drags on and on and on never leading anywhere.”

      This is your fault because you need to be leading/pushing. Example of how I txt off the top of my head:

      “You should come to BarX so I can take advantage of you.”
      “Lol I have a BF I told you”
      “That’s alright he can keep you entertained when I’m not around.”
      “You’re terrible”
      “Terribly amazing. In bed. BarX.”
      “Lol no way I don’t trust you”
      “Then you’re smart. I don’t know how I’m going to trick a smart girl into bed. I’ll have to roofie you.”
      “Omg u did not just say that”
      “It won’t be the most offensive thing I say tonight, you’ll have slapped me before we’re on our 2nd drink.”
      “I never said I was coming to drink!!”
      “No, you’re coming to gaze into my eyes on the dance floor while I grope your bum, but I figured you’d need a drink or two before your standards were low enough. But we can skip the drinks and go right to the groping if you insist. Horny girl.”

      Basically every txt is pushing towards meeting up or implying that we WILL be having sex some day, even if she resists I’ll just deflect it or weave around it and try to change her mood and make her laugh or catch her off-guard or pass a shit-test and keep pushing forward.

      Even if she doesn’t come out that night, she knows my intentions and she knows I’m going to push toward a goal. So if she continues to txt after that, she’s demonstrating that she’s attracted enough to WANT me to keep pushing and eventually win her over.

      Most guys txts just go sideways instead of forwards because they let the girl direct the conversation. A lot of these “gay” “8=====D” txts are just going sideways in the interaction. That’s why guys get stuck txting and going nowhere like you describe.

      Russell Brand does this well, and Hank Moody on Californication hitting on Karen while she snubs him is a great example to learn from too. It’s that forward intent overpowering her weak/half-hearted defenses (because she WANTS you to win her over).

      Now there are girls who will just txt forever and never meet up, I find these are usually the hipster/emo/indie/nerd girls who think they’re brilliant witty sarcastic wordsmiths and think they’re impressing and “owning” guys, high on their own superiority delusions that the betas in their life reinforce.

      The nice part about pushing forward with intent is that it weeds these girls out quickly because you push a few times and they deflect without backing down at all and then you know “okay this is a waste of my time” and you can cut your losses or try more chaotic game like starting drama just to see if you can turn it around.

      “If you explain something and chat, they tend to be more communicative.”

      Yep. This is why I don’t cry about how bad girls txt. They’ll txt me 2 or 3 txts max like “wut u up 2?” But I txt the way I write, with full spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc and I don’t waver on that or try “2 talk liek them”. So they shape up and start following my lead and type properly and we have longass comfort/rapport building conversations with multille page-long of txts.

      Am I just happening to run into the only smart girls in the world? Or does it come down to setting the frame? The latter, of course, the same way a girl will be a whore with me but a Madonna around a Nice Guy. They fall into the frame we set for them…which brings us back full circle to the top of this comment: “Never let her lead the relationship”



babybluejeans
on May 31, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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Bit of a departure from text game (fwiw I use “ghey” all the time and it really is gold). How do you recover/calibrate your game if you banged the *slightly* less attractive roommate of a girl you’re interested in? Happened drunk after a late-night dance party at their apartment. My thought is pretty much ignore it happened and definitely don’t seem apologetic…just keep the same frame as before. But if someone has any particular experience or suggestions in this department, knowledge sharing would be appreciated.


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 5:05 pm
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    Never apologize for your desires as a man.

    If the hot one gives you shit and you’re isolated with her, just respond by staring her down with laser eyes and calmly confidently knowingly saying “You’re jealous. ;) ” and then grab her and escalate HARD on her, making out with her before she can respond. She wouldn’t give you shit if she wasn’t attracted and a little miffed that you’d fuck her ugly roommate over her.

    Granted it could work out different, like she might have lost interest because she now thinks you’re a man with low standards. Same time that could be reversed if you were good in bed and her roomie mentions that when they talk about you (which they will). There’s a shit-load of factors to take into account here that aren’t in your vague field report, so you’ll have to play some of it by ear and calibrate as you go cause I can’t predict too accurately without a lot more info and the situation doesn’t sound critical enough for it to be worth you writing up a bunch of details and backstory lol just trust that she’s attracted to you and that any shit she gets from you is her shit-testing you because she’s attracted/jealous. It’ll flow from there.



Anonymous
on May 31, 2013 at 2:45 pm
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Chatting with a very pretty single friend today, guys have NO game at all. They will literally text and text her so desperately, even as she doesn’t respond, and come across as so desperate and needy. When she doesn’t respond she has literally had guys text stuff like “So I’m assuming you’re not interested?”


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 5:32 pm
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    Yep. Lots of girls show me the txts/emails they get from other guys because I ask what my competition is like and we just laugh at the other guys together.

    You don’t have to spend 10 years studying game to be more interesting than 90% of the other guys out there lol


    • the latent sadist
      on June 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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      for real. ive always instinctively done this. Its so obvious when a guy is running weak game, such an easy way to capitalize on it and build conspiracy. Like i was at a coffee shop and this really jittery fake-social guy was chatting the cute barista. It was obvious she was uncomfortable, just being polite. He would leave then come back and say more weird shit… it was just painful to watch. ALl you gotta do is make eye contact with the trapped girl, smirk and kinda roll your eyes shaking your head. Its like a signal to them… “he gets it”..he knows women. shows your intuition. So much can be conveyed without words.


      • YaReally
        on June 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm
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        PUA term for this is “speaking girl-code”. I use this move a LOT. It’s one of the easiest ways to open. You get extra points for just not being as lame as the other guy lol



YaReally
on May 31, 2013 at 4:56 pm
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“lol”

It’s alpha because it’s so gay that I clearly don’t give enough of a shit about her opinion of me to care if she thinks it’s gay.

That’s why I don’t react when guys/girls on here make fun of me writing lol…they just aren’t important enough for me to care what they think.



Greg Eliot
on May 31, 2013 at 5:40 pm
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What exactly is this “texting” of which you speak?

Is that where the wimmims are flapping their thumbs instead of their yaps?


  • Matthew King
    on June 1, 2013 at 7:59 am
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    It’s a new form of social communication designed to cater to women’s strengths. Flaky, non-committal, superficial, instant attention gratification, like mice and cocaine pellets. Social skills are neutralized on their way to being destroyed.

    A girl can’t hold a real conversation, doesn’t have to, not when she can conduct a one-dimensional pretend exchange with the blue glowing screen — with all the same psychic rewards as real talking. “Flapping their thumbs” indeed.

    The good news is, that means their defenses have turned to shit in the presence of face-to-face socializing. Take away their crutch and watch how bewildered they become. Like removing her glasses or her life-preserver. She has to grope for guidance, she has to lean on you for stability. Snatch the phone, mold the putty.

    Girls have never been easier. Feminism + technology has stripped them naked.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on June 1, 2013 at 11:53 am
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      Just because they don’t want to talk to you in real life doesn’t mean they’re incapable of it. Lol



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cryo
on May 30, 2013 at 10:10 am
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Yeah, it’s something that’s always turned me off about the manosphere. A lot of the bitterness towards women seems to be a byproduct of not getting any play. Maybe it’s just me, but when I’m having regular sex with attractive women, I simply can’t muster the conviction to get all hissy with them on the Internet.
There are guys who actively hate on PUA culture and I just don’t understand it. My favorite is the perpetual straw man that pickup doesn’t allow room for development as a man. Excuse me, what the fuck? Just because I spend half a day on the weekend approaching women doesn’t mean that I stow myself away in some PUA cryotube for the rest of the working week. And the guys who have made a living out of it, like Tyler Durden, how can you fault them? They are quintessential rugged individualist entrepreneurial types.
Game and life really isn’t that hard. Once you grasp the fundamentals, you can mold and grow your personality around that framework. And once this internal enlightenment sets in, you’ll find you are no longer that concerned with manosphere hot topics like divorce, paternity, men’s rights, etc. You just become your own man and literally make your own rules.


  • YaReally
    on May 30, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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    “it’s something that’s always turned me off about the manosphere. A lot of the bitterness towards women seems to be a byproduct of not getting any play. Maybe it’s just me, but when I’m having regular sex with attractive women, I simply can’t muster the conviction to get all hissy with them on the Internet.”

    This. The biggest difference in attitudes toward women between PUA forums and Manosphere ones is that PUAs generally LIKE women. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume that that’s because they actually go out and fuck them or at LEAST generally learn to be social fun people who enjoy interacting with others. Meanwhile the angry bitter Manosphere guys are in their computer room alone preparing another rant about evil sluts and bitches and have tiny social circles of equally angry bitter men, that women don’t want to be around.

    Life is short, it’s a nice warm summer packed with scantily clad hotties. Enjoy the beautiful women out there for what they are instead of hating them for not being what you wish they were. A lot of them are pretty awesome when you stop expecting them to be perfect, like the one coming over to cook me dinner and give me a massage next week lol


    • the latent sadist
      on May 30, 2013 at 1:47 pm
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      i was best man at my buddys wedding. on a couple occasions, and recently as last night, he told me this girl (the maid of honor) is cock hungry and hasnt been hooking up at all where she goes to med school in some other state. So according to my buddy, she casually mentions that she wants to get laid, and brings me up as a candidate.

      So i hit her up on facebook last night, and shes definitely game. All i did was establish a vibe and a bit of familiarity (ive never spoken to her outside the wedding, even then not really at all).

      Wonder if i should be staright up sexual while messaging her going forward…i honestly dont want to go out to a bar and run shit with this chick if shes just trying to get laid. I wonder how little i need to do here lol


      • YaReally
        on May 31, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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        “i honestly dont want to go out to a bar and run shit with this chick if shes just trying to get laid. I wonder how little i need to do here lol”

        lol this is pretty much my mentality. I hate going for drinks etc when I know it’s on because I know it’s just a socially conditioned ritual to build comfort/rapport which is fine except that 1) we both already know we want to fuck eachother so it feels dumb to dance around it and 2) that’s like $15-$30 I wouldn’t have spent if I was staying in at home. I don’t want to blow $30 just to get laid, shit…

        Anyway so in your situ, which if I understand it right is basically “I’m the best man at this wedding, chick is coming up and wants to bone me, but we’re in contact up till the wedding”, would be:

        1) no sexy talk. Keep it flirty/innuendo so she knows you have a penis but really light and non-aggressive and totally casual. Err on the side of being “friendly and unthreatening” more than being “sexual and aggressive”.

        The reason for this is that you are going to meet up. There’s no work to do here, it is inevitable that your paths will cross because of your circumstance. If you get sexually aggressive over Facebook, she’s going to show up feeling like you expect sex from her which can trigger a fuckton of ASD/LMR issues that you’ll have to disarm.

        But if you keep things platonic and just very lightly flirty, she’ll know it’s probably on so she’ll be looking forward to it, but she won’t feel like you think she’s a guaranteed easy lay so her defenses won’t be up.

        2) Then in person you just be awesome and escalate fast, lots of heavy innuendo as soon as you meet her, be physical, joke about how you two might be getting married next as you put her arms around you, etc. like turn it on full so she knows you have her chosen for the night.

        3) From there, the entire night is foreplay for her. Be aggressive, then back off and go mingle, take her around a corner and pin her against the wall and almost but not quite kiss her, then back off and help the groom with something, eyefuck her over dinner from across the room, etc. etc

        4) Later in the night when everyone’s in party mode, dance with her and be more physical but don’t be too raunchy in public. Any kissing you do, keep it light and quick and PG-rated and be the first one to end the kiss each time.

        5) Later on, as the party starts to wind down or it gets chaotic enough that you two can slip away, isolate her somewhere in the venue around a corner or in a linen closet or in an elevator or a stairwell “come see the roof!” Etc and, once isolated so she won’t fear social judgement, pin her against the wall arms pinned over her head, growl “i’ve been wanting to do this since I saw you in that dress…” into her ear as you nibble on her neck, make out hardcore, put her hand on your cock thru your pants, and escalate like a motherfucker to sex.

        Good luck, this is a done deal easy peasy shit, there’s almost no way you can fuck it up unless you trigger her ASD/LMR and then can’t disable it smoothly lol. Follow my guide and you should have zero issues.



Supreme Lord Omega, bearer of the Omega Force
on May 31, 2013 at 3:46 am
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I’m one of those guys for whom “fake it till you make it” didn’t work. I generally find that idea that confidence is important wrong. In my experience, confidence is an important presentation tactic, but it is not in itself an object you can present. Confidence is secondary to the things you’re confident of.

Here’s an example. Nowadays I tend to feel really ashamed of my body and my clothes whenever I go outside. But before that, there was a time period slightly over 3 years long when I felt confident about my looks. I had lost weight and was working out. I wouldn’t especially dress up, but I did my best to pick out good clothes that would fit and mix right. And with that confidence I found that women don’t like me more – in fact, both women and men become more aggressive towards me. Challenging me to back up my confidence with something tangible, which I, being the genetic garbage that I am, had none of.

I’m not saying confidence is completely useless, but faking it is only the way to go for guys of decent quality whose real confidence doesn’t match their objective worth. Faking high worth as a low worth guy is just going to piss people off.


  • YaReally
    on May 31, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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    Your confidence is/was based on external attributes.

    The confidence that fixes the stuff you’re talking about is internally based. When your confidence is based on who you are VS who you’re presenting to the world, people don’t pick fights with you because they can tell they can’t shake you, girls shit-test you less because they don’t sense any incongruency, and in general people are more receptive to you.

    It’s when your confidence is externally based and incongruent to your internals that people pick up on “something’s not right here…” and react aggressively to it because you give them that same disturbing “off” feeling that a used car salesman gives them where they feel like they can’t trust you and that you’re up to something because they sense incongruence.

    Essentially you just need to keep going thru this, and actively working on your game and sticking points (not just going out, but writing field reports, getting feedback, breaking down your interactions to look for issues, actively attempting to fix those issues, maybe even get coaching or at least find an experienced wing who can give you honest feedback, learn to accept lessons from negative interactions but then forget they happened and not dwell on them), until you gain enough positive reference experiences (thus the learning to not dwell on negative ones, to help accelerate gaining positive ones) that your confidence starts to shift to be internally based.

    This is a looooong process depending on where you’re starting from. It can take years of pushing thru absolute hell night after night to get thru it. But when you do, it’s worth it.



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tjic (@tjic)
on May 22, 2013 at 9:10 am
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Two of your other classics would seem appropriate.

You: “gay”

or

You: “I don’t know right now ..it’s complicated.”


  • Matthew King
    on May 22, 2013 at 10:25 am
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    Say what? This is the worst possible time for the “gay” reply. And the other stock answer, “It’s complicated,” is straight-up nonsensical.

    Are you all really so programmed? Think about what the “A” stands for in “PUA,” ye herd of soi-disant “alphas.”

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.


    • YaReally
      on May 22, 2013 at 6:32 pm
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      Agreed. Totally uncalibrated. This kind of thing is why I don’t worry about game going mainstream and making it harder to get laid…most guys will just randomly parrot lines and cross their fingers something works out.

      This is under that category of “lol this will be funny to tell my friends I said to a girl!” instead of “this will actually get me the lay in this situation”.


      • Patriarch
        on May 22, 2013 at 7:44 pm
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        I feel bad for guys stuck in the black nail paint and “omg did you see that fighf outside” stage. I was there. I did that.


        • YaReally
          on May 22, 2013 at 10:50 pm
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          I still occasionally see oldschool style PUA zombies out running 2004 PUA game by the books. I think what helped me advance fast was that I understood that it was the structure of the routines that made them work, not the actual words.

          So to me I’d see “Excuse me, I can only stay for a minute, but could I get a female opinion? Who do you think lies more, men or women? You see my friend (bla bla)” and translate it as “get her attention, false time constraint, indirect opener, emotional non-”yes-or-no” question, DHV story (bla bla)”

          So I could change that to “Hey (get her attention) hold up a sec (false time constraint), I need some chick advice (indirect opener). How do I get rid of a clingy chick? (emotional Q) She’s a fun girl and I like her, but she’s already planning out our wedding and–(DHV story)” and it would get the same result except that my stuff would be tweaked to my personality/experiences.

          A guy just parroting everything right out of the books is only learning the surface level shit.

          BradP’s “The Shocker” opener (Horse Girl) was a great breakdown of the idea of “filling in the blanks to create your own Shocker”, where he walks you through basically doing a Mad Lib to create your own version of Horse Girl that’s different on the surface but follows the same structure of Horse Girl.


          • YaReally
            on May 23, 2013 at 10:20 am
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            @Rapp

            Yep, every dude learning pickup should read your description of what it’s like being on the other end of an uncalibrated routine.

            The prob is new guys don’t have the social skills yet to adapt to a dynamic conversation…routines are like really basic training wheels. Like there are social guys who learn game, but the vast majority of guys are coming from a really socially crippled history. They don’t even understand that they SHOULD be calibrating to your reactions, let alone HOW to.

            Ideally down the road they start to get more conversational experience and learn to freestyle off the script and link it into more relevant topics on the fly etc. a lot of PUAs take Improv classes, which is a great idea for the guys who just don’t understand how to vibe with people and flow with a conversation.

            Way down the road your brain becomes fast and versatile enough to not just link and flow various routines and topics and reactions into eachother on the fly, but also purposely be leading the overall conversation in a specific direction (getting laid, helping cheer someone up, getting something you want, etc). It’s like getting a better computer that can process more things at once.



n/a
on May 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
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This startled me:

https://twitter.com/expsnghghtsm

I never knew there was such unforced and deep hatred for short men; reading this murderer’s row of almost dementedly cruel tweets gives one a taste of the acid boiling in the bowels of the female id.

Short men who game and fuck hot sluts I salute you.


  • Jason
    on May 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm
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    I think there needs to be some more serious discussion on what guys under 5’8″ can do to get laid, because it seems like an impossible task.


    • soupfart
      on May 23, 2013 at 1:18 am
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      lmao i’m 5’7.5″ barefoot, it’s really not that bad. Yes you’ll have to work harder than the tall guys, but honestly so many guys of all heights are such pussies that they take themselves out of the competition.
      The girls on that twitter are probably above average height themselves (meaning i likely wouldn’t go for them anyways) or just bitchy status whores (they are on twitter, after all). They don’t represent all women in my experience. If you’re on the shorter side like me, just find your niche and game on. Another thing that helps is getting swole, a solidly built short man beats out a frail tall skinny guy more often than not.


      • YaReally
        on May 23, 2013 at 3:07 am
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        @Jason

        Watch Scray this summer and read his Field Reports here. That short mofo will be dick-slapping girls around by the end of summer. :D

        @soupfart

        “Yes you’ll have to work harder than the tall guys, but honestly so many guys of all heights are such pussies that they take themselves out of the competition.”

        This. City I’m gaming in right now is full of guys who are taller, richer, better looking, better dressed, etc than me. I game in the high-end scene. You might think “but YaReally how do you compete with them all??” The reality is I don’t, I compete with maybe 1% of them.

        The other 99% couldn’t game their way into an old hooker’s used up sausage-wallet. That 99% will hit the gym a little harder this week, work a few more hours for a few more dollars this week, buy themselves a more expensive suit this week, and then they’ll watch me approaching the girls while they stand there leaning against the bar with a drink up at their chest wondering why the dream society fed them, that if you just get big enough muscles and a nice enough car the women thing will work itself out for you, isn’t coming true.

        Then while I’m fucking the chick they had their eye on from afar, my beer belly dripping sweat on her body in my shitty shared apartment where she’ll have to pay for her own cab home after because I don’t have a car, they’ll be lifting some extra weights, scheduling a couple more hours of work, and thinking about getting an expensive watch to go with their suit because maybe that will help next week…

        I wish I could educate them, but they won’t listen to me. Maybe one day they’ll find this blog lol


    • Matthew King
      on May 23, 2013 at 7:28 am
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      And, as somebody who is 6’4″, the genetic advantages and disadvantages of being unusually tall seem like a mixed bag. If people weren’t somewhat subjectively biased in favor of tall men like myself, I’d probably say the objective tradeoffs (clumsiness, head-banging, etc.) aren’t really worth it. The human body isn’t optimized for my height.

      Steve Sailer
      http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/robert-downey-jr-short-superstar.html

      There is something to this. Being compact has its advantages. At the extreme NBA centers look awkward (Manute Bol) unless they get rid of their lankiness by bulking up to inhuman proportions (Shaquille O’Neal). But even then there’s something circus-freaky about them trying to maneuver in a smaller world. Loping, gangly, hunching, not standing tall so much as diminishing oneself to not be such a spectacle.

      That said, “optimized” is a good word. Six-foot-plus feelsgoodman.

      Matt

      P.S. Those twitter twats are just in a tweet frenzy, trying to one-up each other. It’s the nature of the medium and it means nothing.

      On the other hand, the dude who calls himself “Exposing Heightism”? He’s broadcasting some serious insecurities by turning his shortcomings into a sympathy crusade.


      • YaReally
        on May 23, 2013 at 10:12 am
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        Some of my taller friends have complained that being tall means everyone is always watching them. They can’t get shot down and fade into the crowd. REALLY tall guys are basically a freakshow to everyone with people whispering and pointing etc. it’s like being forced to peacock in a way that the entire room will always see your every move/failure/mistake/insecurity.

        This is fine if you’re Mystery and have the confidence/ego to say “fuck ya, check me out” and the game to use it to your advantage…but if you’re a normal dude who’s trying to learn game, it can be hard to deal with the extra perceived social pressure of being seen by everyone in the room at all times.

        In terms of PUA, the 3s rule is pretty much out the window for tall guys lol. Whereas a short guy can pop out of the crowd by a hot girl he say 30 min ago and pretend to have just seen her lol

        A handful of my tall & skinny friends get guys picking fights with them to try to “prove themselves” (of course they don’t want to pick a fight with my tall & buff friends lol). Like the guys are picking on them just because it would be bragging rights to take down someone taller than them.

        I know a guy who’s super tall with a low deep voice and literally you can’t even hear him in the bar if you’re normal height because his voice is way up on the mountain lol

        Anyway my point isn’t that being tall is harder than being short or average…it’s just that both short and tall have their advantages and disadvantages.

        Either way, you do the best with what you got. If you gotta work a little harder, good, it’ll toughen you up and force your skillset to be sharp.



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Matthew Thomas
on May 21, 2013 at 3:16 pm
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Why the fuck does the market value test have minus points for high IQ for men ?

Would have bumped my score to 3, Cunts.


  • some dude
    on May 21, 2013 at 3:28 pm
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    High IQ and you can’t figure it out?


    • Matthew Thomas
      on May 21, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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      Being intelligent has helped me a great deal in my life. I have a successful career and the respect of my peers.

      The only possibility I can think of is that it shrinks the pool of women that you would date because you wouldn’t want to date an idiot but I don’t think high standards are a bad thing and I don’t see how it make you less attractive to women.


      • Matthew King
        on May 22, 2013 at 7:19 am
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        Intelligence is not unattractive in itself. But it is a likely indicator of social dysfunction for two reasons: smart men tend to 1) overestimate the importance of their asset and 2) socially mismanage their asset.

        “Intelligence” is a catch-all phrase that generally means mentally “virtuous.” There are many varieties of this kind of virtue — observant, analytical, quick-witted, knowledgeable, problem-solving.

        Our schooling is a massive intelligence-improvement project. Adulthood is achieved by gaining measurable signs of smartness that have to be deliberately inculcated, unlike other more natural developments, like physical or social maturity.

        So we overestimate intelligence’s importance because it is somewhat controllable via education, and because it is the decisive sign of our adult independence. Those who believe themselves smart — because they’ve been told that their whole lives, because they got grades and awards, because their other developments suffered, etc. — find a rude awakening in the adult world, where one is no longer measured by intellectual examination.

        When the world rejects a smart young adult’s special virtue as merely one among many, rather than honoring it as the preeminent standard, the social effects are large. The smart boy is used to being honored, he is used to straightforward studying and testing. He resents “dumb” people’s advancement past him. He looks down on the social scene as his inferiors. None of this makes for a pleasant person, which redoubles his predicament.

        People who declare their intelligence are usually not as intelligent as they think they are. It is the lingering effect of their social maladaptation, the lie their parents/school told them to buck up their confidence. Perversely, it doesn’t contribute to confidence but rather to their resentment.

        Like all virtues, intelligence speaks for itself. The smartest people allow their work to announce their “IQ,” rather than assigning a ridiculous number to it and pretending that means diddly. (The “Mensa” Society is the very pinnacle of this unconscious self-parody.) Those who mention that quantitative fiction, even casually, indicate they still overestimate intelligence’s worth among all virtues, and it’s the overestimation that gets them in trouble, not the virtue itself.

        What ultimately counts are the cardinal virtues: courage, temperance, wisdom, justice. Note that intelligence is not among them and is at best ancillary to achievement.

        Is it possible to be “too” virtuous in anything? Too courageous? Too beautiful? Too smart? No. Virtue is defined by temperance, which finds the golden mean between two excesses. The classic example is Aristotle’s definition of courage as the moderation between cowardice and rashness. One cannot be “too balanced.”

        Matt


        • pulsotic
          on May 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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          Excellent point. Many times I’ve tried to help ‘smart’ guys talk to girls and they’ll refuse to talk to them, claiming the girls are dumb. One such person, when in conversation, always found a way to talk about his degree.
          It’s telling that Matthew Thomas could only conclude that his pool of prospects was reduced because most girls are ‘idiots’. That shows a lack of responsibility for the problem and superiority issues.
          To top it off, he describes a debilitating depression caused by being so smart that somehow slipped his mind when it came to the question of slaying ‘tang, as if that would in no way affect a woman’s desire to be around him.
          Again, excellent comment. Seriously. It raises a big issue with the constant praise we seem to give children and I’m probably going to be thinking about this for a while.


          • YaReally
            on May 22, 2013 at 9:30 pm
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            You don’t deserve the smart chicks because you can’t empathize with the dumb people around you. You might be intellectually smart, but you’re socially retarded. I understand, I was in that stage for a while.

            When you figure out down the road that your ego has isolated you from the rest of the world who would welcome you with open arms, and you start looking at people’s good qualities aside from their IQ score, and start appreciating people for who they are including their flaws, you’ll realize that the Grinch should’ve just come down from his lonely cave and shared in the Xmas festivities with the rest of Whoville.



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YaReally
on May 21st, 2013 at 1:06 pm
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If she’s attracted to you, you’re special. Your flaws are minimized, your features are enhanced 100-fold, and the things you do and believe in are fascinating and righteous.

When she’s no longer attracted to you, that all reverses. It’s basically Hypergamy controlling her Reticular Actvation System. Simple and logical, and you can use it to your advantage.

I’m out of shape under my clothes, don’t own a car, and have been wearing the same pair of pants for like a year now. She’ll learn these things about me at some point…but understanding the above concept, I simply don’t present those things to her until I know I’ve attracted her with my personality/game. Once she’s “bought in” or “past the hook point”, I can present all these things to her and she’ll minimize them and her RAS will focus on all my good points instead.

Understanding how to use this concept lets me get away with a LOT…it’s the basis of how I approach shallow stuff like not having a car or money, but also deeper stuff like not being monogamous and expecting her to behave in certain ways.


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ATrain
on May 20, 2013 at 1:57 pm
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what is the best manosphere resource for bar/club game? specifically, opening sets with 8′s and 9′s in a high end bar/club?


  • YaReally
    on May 20, 2013 at 10:26 pm
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    Mystery Method or Magic Bullets for a briefer version of MM.

    Other methods get results in lots of environments and circumstances but when you’re talking high-end girls in high-end enviros who are surrounded by high-end guys and social circles, MMs group theory, social proof, merging sets forward, etc is prime.

    You can run aggressive direct RSD game on a 6 at a meat market club. And you can run chill comfort building small-talk game on a 9 in a bookstore in the daytime. But on a 9 in a high-end club, her 10 orbiter chodes who don’t leave her side all night as they promise to take her on free trips to the bahamas on their private jets and protective sometimes drama girlfriends will jump in to cockblock or prevent you from even getting access TO her in the first place. You need to be able to win them over as well as her.


    • YaReally
      on May 20, 2013 at 10:31 pm
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      (also this is why I think the ultimate combo to study is MM and RSD…MM teaches you to work the room to create opportunities where you can use RSD style to take over once you have the opportunities. It’s like MM is an overall fight strategy to open up the other fighter for attacks and RSD is the fighter’s actual punching skills)



Ronin
on May 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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Not Alpha Dad to Daughter, but RSDTyler has some ~similarly good words for women:

YouTube, rsdfreetour-”What I’d Do To Lock Down A Successful Guy If I Was A Woman — And Where Club Addicted Girls Go Wrong”,


  • YaReally
    on May 20, 2013 at 10:18 pm
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    lol it was legitimately weird to see an RSD vid posted that I didn’t post. I scrolled past and was like “wait, what? Did I post this while I was drunk or something?” lol that was trippy.

    Also this is a super solid video. The point he makes about a girl’s “earning potential” VS a guy’s is huge and really makes me shake my head at girls who don’t take care of their bodies/looks.


  • Lemon
    on May 21, 2013 at 6:55 am
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    not too bad, but he notably doesn’t mention anything at all about limiting how many cocks she takes. non-judgmentalism aside, men with options really don’t date girls who have been dicked by all of NY, simply because they don’t have to.


    • YaReally
      on May 21, 2013 at 9:41 am
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      @Lemon

      I’m alright with a girl who’s turned down 10,000 guys for sex:

      If you want to get your panties in a twist over whether she’s only turned down 9,970 guys or 9,997 guys, you do your thing lol Of course you’ll never really know how many she’s fucked because she won’t tell you when she picks up that you’ll judge her for it. I’d rather know what I’m getting into, personally.


  • Lily
    on May 21, 2013 at 11:16 am
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    LOL! He’s talking about YaReally’s barslut psychos – drinking, drugging, clubbing, whoring, not exercising and eating like shit. Of course, they are easy to bed, and they end up looking tired, used and abused, by the time they’re 25. Ladies – if you spend your nights in bars – drinking alcohol, doing coke, smoking, and fucking different guys – of course you’ll end up old and decrepit and bitter. And, once your looks fade, you’ll have nothing to bargain with. The girls that don’t know this are stupid. kind of reminds me of the med student form the “should you stay or should you go” thread.

    Yeahokcool, how does it feel to be proven wrong by Tyler from all people?

    That said, once I used to think Tyler was one of those PUA clowns. But lately I have become a fan of his because of his straight talk. If you forgive his theatrics, his streetish/cartoonish attire, and his shrill voice (which isn’t alpha at all, lol), he makes a lot of sense. He’s one example of not judging a book by its cover. In this video he describes party girls very well – the exact way they really are and behave. And, he also describes very accurately how they’ll end their party-girl career in a lackluster manner. One day, they’ll cease to shine, cease to be the “It girl,” and then what. Disaster – bitter, angry, frustrated, bitchy, hateful, or marrying for the wrong reason a beta male just to divorce him in a couple of years, take half his net worth, take his kids, and raise them as a single frustrated angry bitch fat-cow single mom and turn them into complete losers. The end result: No one is happy – not the women, not the men, and not their kids who end up suffering the most. This is happening all over the West, not just America. The West is a very unhappy society, because the traditional family unit has been destroyed. People’s careers and achievements don’t keep them warm at night. People’s happiness stems more from finding a suitable mate and raising good healthy families.


    • YaReally
      on May 21, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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      “One day, they’ll cease to shine, cease to be the “It girl,” and then what”

      …you and your collection of cats will cackle at their misfortune? You’ve got a lot of bitterness pent up lol must’ve been a fatty in high school.

      P.S. have a gym bunny who works out 6 days a week and doesn’t drink alcohol coming over tomorrow. U mad? lol



Scray
on May 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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I haven’t been able to cold approach for the last few weeks, so I’ve just been doing the whole online game thing. It’s actually hilarious….like…(for me) 10 times more difficult to get anything going than in reality. I’m kind of lost, because I’ve actually tried several of the PUA recommended online openers blah blah blah…and I just think they’re for d00dz (esp online) who just naturally, through photos, are higher value.

So…….I’m just going to start sending increasingly offensive messages.
I get a lot of profile views, but no messages/responses. So, that leads me to believe they look at my height and just do the typical online ‘whatever’ thing.

Anyway, this is the only real practice I’m going to get for another week when all my school shit and whatever is over. Any suggestions, tips on what kinds of messages get an emotional reaction appreciated.


  • YaReally
    on May 20, 2013 at 10:02 pm
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    “So, that leads me to believe they look at my height and just do the typical online ‘whatever’ thing.”

    This is what’s happening. I would recommend changing your height to 5’9″ (not so tall that you get a skewed advantage but not short enough that they’ll “insta-reject” you based on their nom-emotional laundry checklist of features they expect) and just using online purely as practice at escalating, teasing, getting titty pics etc but never meet up with them (since the 5’9″ would be a lie lol)

    Guaranteed a lot of those chicks would love you if you met them in person at the bar on a charismatic night and not give a shit about your height as you feed them emotions. But the reality is with online game that they can go “filter my results for no one under 6’2″” and never get to experience your personality that would woo them.

    So ya, I say lie about your height but keep everything else the same, and use them purely as practice while you’re stuck inside. Then when you’re done exams etc you can get back to hitting up girls in real life where your personality gets them and you can apply some of the online txting stuff you learned toward the girls you meet in person when you get their #s. :)



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yeahokcool
on May 17, 2013 at 11:26 am
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I think he handled it all pretty well. Maybe he didn’t need to play it “so aloof” while she was being so compliant (taking the initiative to text him herself). However, a chick with like this (22, HB9) is on a pretty tall pedestal. She probably needed to see this demonstration by you that you aren’t going to jump through hoops to appease her like everyone else. So, I’m not sure what really needed to change. He got the result he wanted in extremely short-order and with minimal effort.

Reader! This is not some magic formula. This is just you living your life. There is not a point system that is up in the clouds awarding you 82% out of 100% for your performance here. You did a great job and got laid. Don’t over-think this stuff when you have this level of mastery.


  • Zombie Shane
    on May 17, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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    “Me: Do you think you have the right disposition to be a pediatrician?

    Her: (snaps up in her chair, turns towards me, leans in) What does that mean!?”

    Truth.

    This whore has no business going into pediatrics, or into any oyher pediatric specialty [like a pediatric surgical specialty].

    In fact, it’s a little difficult for me to imagine any medical specialty which she’d be suited for – maybe adult plastics, with a specialty in breast cancer reconstructive surgery, for the Komen Pink Ribbon crowd?

    I pity the poor Attending Physicians who will be supervising her residency.

    And her fellow residents, who will spend their entire residencies cleaning up after her mistakes and her fuck-ups and her nonchalant incompetence.

    Train wreck waiting to happen.


    • Lily
      on May 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm
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      “This whore has no business going into pediatrics, or into any oyher pediatric specialty [like a pediatric surgical specialty].
      In fact, it’s a little difficult for me to imagine any medical specialty which she’d be suited for –“

      As harsh as your statement is, I have to agree with you on this stupid whore who hangs out in bars and gets fucked by men she will never see again.

      Review what he says:

      “and every bar tender/bouncer/bar back guy in the bar knows her and instantly comes up and showers her with their beta affection.”

      That’s a med student? She is well-known in bars? WTF? A lot of lacking-morals girls go into medicine these days. Between the stupid whorish women and the 3rd worlders, the profession is becoming so…….how should I put it……unprofessional.


      • yeahokcool
        on May 17, 2013 at 3:30 pm
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        What the fuck are you talking about? Do you people even go out? Do you have friends? THIS IS EXACTLY THE SORT OF BEHAVIOR A 22 YEAR OLD SHOULD BE ENGAGING IN.


        • Passingby
          on May 17, 2013 at 3:52 pm
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          Not if she wants to cut open your kid’s body someday as part of a medical procedure. Her ass should be in the library.


          • YaReally
            on May 17, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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            @yeahokcool

            Thank god you’re around. 100% concur. One of my social circles is an entire class of med students. They basically own a couple nightclubs because they’re there as a class every weekend partying HARD to relieve the stress of their med shit. They have massive student loans and blow a ton of it partying because they’ll be making retarded money down the road. I literally know a specialize surgeon who’s salary right now (he’s around 30yo) is over $1 million per year.

            When they have exams and shit, they stay in and study hard. And when they need to be sober for a morning shift or are on call etc, they don’t drink alcohol. But every weekend at least half the class is getting hammered from 6pm to 6am.

            Some of them are nerds but most of them are cool and social and some of them even have legit game. They pull random ass from the bar and their class all get drunk and fucks eachother. Lots of cheating on relationships too. These are the people who will be saving your kids’ lives and performing surgery on you and shit one day. Don’t worry, when they’re not at the bar they’re in that library like you want them to be.

            All the bouncers know them because they like going to the same clubs as a group and are social/fun and drop massive $ regularly there.

            Fuckin go outside and make some friends, people. Jeezus lol



Chris from Dublin
on May 17, 2013 at 11:26 am
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One suspects that this may be trolling.

But, if not, then it seems close to flawless. Do not worry about the detail – NOT following her upstairs with the entourage was more than good enough.

By the way, what the fuck is it with these women? They all have these fucking ghastly entourages in tow after them.

Always.

It is hard to work out who is more contemptible – the woman or the entourage.


  • YaReally
    on May 17, 2013 at 5:35 pm
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    “By the way, what the fuck is it with these women”

    Gee. I don’t know.

    I’m going to give you a dozen women who are going to get all dressed up and come out with you to the bar tonight. Everyone in the room is going to think you’re the shit because these 12 girls will chase you around all night, shower you with attention and compliments, fight over you, buy you all your drinks, do anything you tell them to, keep away any ugly girls who want to hit on you, make sure you get home safe no matter how sloppy drunk you get, and you can snap your fingers and any single one of them would suck your dick instantly.

    Oh, what? That sounds appealing? What’s WRONG with you, you contemptible asshole, why would you let this entourage go out with you, you’re pathetic.

    Like, seriously. Did I miss the small print in this article where it said “everyone who hasn’t set foot in a bar in years and who has a bitter-ass chip on their shoulder be sure to leave a comment”?



RappaccinisDaughter
on May 17, 2013 at 12:00 pm
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“Then addressing the whole group she says: ‘Oh, we have to go upstairs and say hi to (dude bartender)!’”

Perhaps one of you can enlighten me, because I don’t understand how that’s a “shit test.” She’s well-known at this venue and is close with several of the staff. They probably know she’s there, so she’d feel rude if she didn’t go say hi. She expressly includes the writer in her plans to do so. It comes off as rather polite and friendly to me.

Then again, I’m foggy on the whole concept of “shit test.” Is that simple rudeness? Or is it when a woman–consciously or not–attempts to elicit compliance?

[CH: I agree that as far as shit tests go, this was a weak one. But shit tests come in many flavors of intensity, and women can be deviously subtle when they employ them to gauge a man for his alpha reaction. The old "let's go meet this other guy I know so I can subconsciously register how you handle yourself under social pressure" is a classic of the shit test genre, if not a particularly gruesome one.]


  • YaReally
    on May 17, 2013 at 6:04 pm
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    There are multiple shit-tests going on.

    1) Compliance Test – to see if he’ll be her orbiter. ie – how hard will he chase her = how much value she has to him. Is she on a pedestal just for having a pussy so he’ll follow her around? The next test after “come upstairs to meet this other man” is “let’s to to BarX” then “leave the bar you’re at with your friends and come see meeeee!” etc until he’s an official orbiter. Or is he so high value with 10 other women chasing him that he doesn’t have to follow her around and can wait till she comes to him?

    2) Value/AMOG Test – her guy friends downstairs all loved him so he handled himself well, but they’re beta. So let’s put him up against the highest value male in that environment, the flirty social bartender who HAS 20 girls a night wanting to suck his dick and who’s job is to be a flirt, who has all the power/value in the bar because he can give her and her friends free drinks, he works with hot girls who love him etc. NOW how will the Op do? Will he be as cool as this massively high value guy who’s in his element? Cool enough to chat with the dude, shake hands, joke around, and make the guy supplicate or qualify himself to him and basically give him social proof? Or will he fall into the background and stand there watching the bartender motion for his girl to lean in over the bar to whisper flirty shit in her ear and pour her a shot and then tell him “$12.50 dude. What? You’re not going to buy her a drink? Wow lol aww here you go babe this one’s on me.”

    3) Orbiter Test – when she realizes he’s gone she txts “come find me!” Not “where are you so I can come find you?”, but “come to where I am because you are desperate for sex and will chase me around when I tell you to”. This is a minor version of “ditch your friends and come to the bar I’m at, I miss youuuuu” (and then he gets there and she ignores him because she has 10 orbiters)

    So ya, there’s a lot of little tests packed in there. Is she doing these things on purpose or consciously with malicious intent? No, she’s just following her instincts which naturally weed out alphas from betas.

    He handled it just fine given the situation. If it was earlier in the night then ya, for sure chat up other people downstairs. But end of the night like that, fuck it, bail wordlessly and trust that you’ll get another shot. Don’t be mad, don’t be pissy, hell you can say “I had to take a shit.” if she ever asks why you left. She knows subconsciously why you left…because you’re not one of her orbiters.

    Also I agree with CH that this is a really minor shit-test to me lol but I can see how it would be an epic one for a guy who’s newer to this stuff. It’s a tricky one because its subtle…a “fuck you!” is easy to deal with because its in your face and responding is appropriate. A subtle social dynamic test like this is harder to gauge because you don’t know what the little things you do are going to “mean” to her hamster subconscious lol

    Also even tho it was a success: good on him for still analyzing his game and looking for alternatives and/or ways to make it more efficient. Just cause you sink a basketball doesn’t mean you couldn’t have sunk it smoother. I don’t know why I use sports analogies, I don’t know shit about sports lol


    • Filter
      on May 17, 2013 at 7:35 pm
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      YaReally – between a rock and a hard place with main squeeze – any way I can contact you privately


      • YaReally
        on May 19, 2013 at 10:47 am
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        Post the jist of it here and I’ll see if I can help. I don’t want to open the floodgates of people emailing me for private help, I spend enough time on here as it is lol there are like 6 comments I want to respond to from the last bunch of articles that I just don’t have time to write right now lol

        Don’t worry about super personal details (don’t post more than you’re comfortable with, too many detectives here), and keep in mind that usually these situs seem zoomed in like “and then I said this and she said this with a tone of voice like blah and 3 years ago her brother’s step-dad said blah and what does it mean” but in reality the actual problem/solution is a lot more zoomed out and more like “she’s feeling neglected and needs you to do such and such to feel like she can trust your relationship”, you know?


    • immoralgables
      on May 17, 2013 at 9:15 pm
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      YaReally. I’m currently in the midst of running a boyfriend destroyer on this HB7 I met out about a couple months back and wanted to get your advice on the best way to play this.

      Background: Her roommate is hooking up with my roommate so while out one night, my roommate introduced me to HB7 at this bar that’s about 5minutes away. I entertained HB7 so my roommate could run game on his girl and found out some knowledge on her dating situation.

      Basically, she’s dating a guy she met online and despite this guy being totally “great” for her, she has verbalized that she likes jerks. This guy waited over a month to have sex with her and even while back at her place one night, he agreed to “take things slow out of respect” for her even though she brought him back to her bedroom and wanted the sex to happen. Yes, he’s probably a good dude who thinks he’s doing the right thing but her dating history includes jerks and guys that broke her heart and it’s obvious that she’s attracted to that kind of attitude. On the surface she is content with her new bf of 2 months but it’s like some kind of facade she’s putting up because she would seem shitty for coming out and saying that she’s not legit attracted to the kind of “nice” behavior he bestows on her. Note: I used to be this kind guy with my ex-gf and I ended up having a bad time.

      Anyways, that first night I met her I got her to open up like a book and I tried my best to run TD’s Boyfriend Destroyer routine. I made it seem like that this guy probably likes her so much and is scared of losing her that he doesn’t want to fuck things up. All the attention, the phone calls, the introduction to his parents and shit like that is a result of him being so into her. I made sure not to evoke any negative thoughts and would sprinkle in stories about one of the girls I was dating and how I was the complete opposite of this nice guy and that the girl wanted more commitment from me but I wouldn’t do it because xyz. DLV her bf while DHV’ing myself that kind of thing. Mix it in with the dim lighting at the bar, some alcohol, some YaReally game, and other routines I was running and it’s safe to say that attraction was on.

      Basically, I made sure to make him seem like needy/nice while contrasting it with my darker/asshole side. It wasn’t obvious how I was doing this and I was also running kino and giving her a hard time and teasing her at the bar. Anyways, good stuff but the night comes to a close and we all decide to head home. My roommate and I walk the girls home and I’m about 50 yards up ahead and the HB7 and I are walking arm-in arm. We get to her apartment stoop a couple min ahead of my roommate and his girl and I pull HB7 in and have both of my hands on her back. Real-close, eye contact, smelling her perfume, telling her she’s irresistible. I go in for a kiss and she rebuffs but it seems like merely a formality. Actions speak louder than words. Here I am with her inches away and my palms are on her lower and upper back. I know that it’s all good even though the kiss didn’t happen. She didn’t move her body away. Anyway, the vibes are all good and as my roommie and his girl pull up to the apt, we say our goodbyes and disperse and I go home with her number in my cell thinking how can I make this happen.

      I send a feeler text the next day (“I’m doing 18-20% more awesome today, how’s you’re day going” type text) and get no response. All good though because I understand the situation for what it is. And yes, no need to focus all my attention on this one girl whose taken. But this side of me does want to understand how the Boyfriend Destroying shit works and I kind of like the idea of being the other guy.

      ————-2 months later——–
      Ok so, fast forward about 2 months later and my roommate gets a text from the girl he’s kind of seeing and she invites the both of us over to pre-game.

      Boom, we show up. We’re chilling in the backyard and 5min it the HB7 emerges and sits down at the table with the three of us. I don’t get up to say hi or shake her hand and I just give her an upwards head nod and continue with the story I’m telling. I reckoned that recalling that last night out a couple months back wouldn’t be so smooth even though I have a feeling she definitely remembers who I am. Whatever. We pre-game for an hour and my roommie and I are doing hella awesome with the game we’re running. We’re pinging off each other and the girls are eating it up. I notice HB7 is laughing at a lot of my jokes and fuck me, but I was a witty motherfucker last night. But beyond how funny I think I am, HB7′s attention towards me is kind of like that dynamic of “If you want to know which girl likes you, tell a joke to a group and when they’re laughing, pay attention to which girl is looking at you” kind of thing. Kind of hard to explain but you get the idea.

      Anyway, I think the power move was not getting up excitedly to introduce myself to her. I just continued business as usual giving her the most basic modicum of respect. As the pre-game goes on, I’m getting raunchy with her and say how I like girls with Daddy issues and how I hope she has some. I neg her a bit on how she’s a Long Island girl and do some other shit that keeps her on her toes. Good stuff and good vibes as we bounce to the same bar.

      We post up at the same corner where we first met and after a round of shots, my roommie isolates his girl and I try to do the same. It becomes apparent that HB7 remembers me and that night. She tries to get me to open up “So tell me your story, you’re so mysterious to me.” (IOI, hello). She chides me and says I was being such an asshole when she first came out. I ask her to clarify and she can’t provide an example. Note: I wasn’t an asshole but I think she’s used to guys getting up out of their seat and dropping whatever they’re doing. I’m running a fuck-ton of kino at the bar and trying to sexualize my game. When I get in too close she pushes me away but it’s token resistance. I tell try to go in for a kiss but it doesn’t happen (maybe I should work on kiss closing) but it’s no big deal. I go back to running game and trying my best to spike her emotions \/\/\/\/\/\/.

      Somehow she brings up her boyfriend and I don’t think it was good because it was acknowledging the elephant in the room. Still, she laments how she’s always been attracted to assholes so I know there is still room for me to exploit this situation to my advantage. I just fucking don’t know how to do it.

      It seems at some point, whether through bad game, my roommate making out with his girl, or perhaps HB7s buying temp going up so much (like she knows something bad will happen if she stays); the girls end up leaving. It was like a mix of pickle-backs, ASD, spiked emotions made a devilish cocktail for HB7 and she had to extricate herself from the situation. All in all I think my game was decent as towards the end I was upping the ante and getting more physical. HB7 at this point was like hip-checking me and whenever I negged her or teased her. She did it a couple times and again once we were outside and about to split up. Shit, outside I was holding her close kind of like Julien does in RSD vids and she wasn’t moving away.

      Her and her roomie goes home and I’m standing smoking a cig with my roommate somewhat befuddled. Not sure if my game was good or if I’m an unsmooth operator. I would like to hear your or anyone’s thoughts on a plan of action to take down HB7. This is not a scarcity mentality type thing, I’m just trying to learn how to become that guy. Maybe, because I used to be the nice bf, there is some kind of psychological element to this as well. But whatever.

      —- Texts from today —

      Me: Hey..do me a favor and text me right back. Just hi or something.
      -
      Her: Lol
      -
      Me: My frioend doesn’t believe retards can text. We sure did show ‘em lil buddy lol.
      -
      Her: Yea, you are pretty good at texting.
      -
      Me: So hardcore
      Me: God you’re just like all the other HB7s. Sweet on the outside…
      -
      Her: *HB7 (correcting me on how her name is actually spelled
      Her: I’m so nice to you. Stop.
      -
      Me: Spelling nazi
      Me: I’m this close — to taking you off the VIP list for our 2nd Annual Apartment Pizza Part

      Her: Well that’s just rude.

      ***De- brief***
      That’s where it all stands. Again, I’m not hung up on it but I’m in unchartered waters. The girls live less than a 5min walk away and we are all in talks about them coming over at some point for barbecues and shit we throw during the summer so good chance I’ll see her again.

      If this is something I should ask for advice on after I blow up the account, then no worries. I don’t mind fucking it up for the sake of learning and I understand that it’s sometimes better to try and then to analyze it later. Same thing in the lair I’m in, some guys ask for advice on the current girl (winning back a girl when they have one-itis, for example) and it’s pretty obvious that they’re going to fuck up the advice anyway so they might as well learn from experience. That’s not so much the case here but I might be wrong.


      • YaReally
        on May 19, 2013 at 11:22 am
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        You ran that flawless, really well done, I was nodding my head thru the whole thing. Don’t stress the “it’s one-itis just move on” guys, as long as you’re still sarging other girls its just learning not one-itis. When she’s the center of your world, that’s when you’re fucked lol. Guys give up and move on too easy these days, you can learn a lot from trying to “crack the code” on tricky cases like this.

        Anyway you ran everything 100% flawless, well done. But this is what’s fucking it up:

        “or perhaps HB7s buying temp going up so much (like she knows something bad will happen if she stays)”

        This plus some ASD plus fear of her roommate’s judgement, basically…possibly with a dabble of “I’ve made mistakes and an asshole broke my heart and I’m reeeeeeeally trying to do right this time by trying a nice guy”. Like a fat chick eating salads trying to convince her it tastes as good as a chocolate cake lol you are that chocolate cake. :D

        Basically she wants to fuck you and she knows she wants to and she knows (and her roomie knows) that if she’s around you, she’ll fuck you, so she has to keep objecting and resisting etc.

        The prob is the other girl is her roommate so isolating her is tricky…if you go home to her place to fuck, roomie will know. If you take her to your place she won’t come home so roomie will know. Roomie might not give a fuck but she probably worries that she’ll judge her so she feels guilty like she would if her roomie opened the fridge to a half eaten chocolate cake.

        The other prob is that with her ASD plus her roomie being with your buddy, it’ll be hard if not impossible to get her out to meet you solo. She’ll have her ASD triggered over having a BF because she won’t be aroused when you txt her to hang out, and because you 4 hang out together she’ll think “let’s just hang out as a group” as a way of cockblocking herself from eating the chocolate cake. Agreeing to meet up solo is like ordering the cake from the store lol. It’ll trigger too much ASD/guilt.

        The way I would handle this is:

        1) rely on partying as a group to make your main moves in person where she’s horny and into your vibe. Another situ like pre-gaming or after-partying at their place is perfect shit, that’s where it’s easiest to make it happen…your boy and her roomie sneak off to bang and leave you two isolated in a place with beds. Think about how, logistically, you could isolate/escalate there…going to get drinks in the kitchen, challenging her to Xbox in the basement, asking for a tour of the place, sending your boy and her roomie to get alcohol together, etc. post-bar afterparty would be easiest, pre-game is tougher because you’re supposed to go out as a group so there’s a time limit and sex hair will be blatant etc.

        At the bar, isolate and keep doing what you’re doing. Never ever mention her BF, he no longer exists. She brings him up because she feels guilty so you need to dismantle the guilt. Like you handled the BF’s value, now you need to handle her self-guilt and disable the ASD/LMR.

        This could just take some time. Keep being unapologetically sexual with her, and at the same time keep being casual about it like not jumping up to greet her. You’re just that sexy guy she knows is dangerous and not boyfriend material, but that she can’t resist being around because she gets excitement and arousal poking the bear.

        Keep trying to kiss her. Change her mood, not her mind, spike her emotions then push for a kiss, if she rejects it play it cool and repeat a few min later. You basically have to shut down all the “I’m a bad person for falling for another asshole” and “what about my promise to myself??” thoughts in her head. If you go for the kiss without short-circuiting her with emotional spikes, she’ll keep rejecting it.

        So be patient. You’re running the right play here, you just might have to keep running it over and over persistently in person. Trust that it’ll happen down the road.

        I wouldn’t even txt her at all anymore. She’s not going to give you any ground via txt because its easy to resist you that way. In person it’s tougher.

        Keep in mind that them inviting you out is the big ioi. They wouldn’t invite you out if she wasn’t attracted and didn’t want you to win this battle and fuck her lol

        just be discreet and do all escalation in isolation. That will make her feel more comfortable that maybe no one will know if she fucks you…vs groping her in front of her roommate all night where she can’t play innocent or say it “just happened”. I’ve had girls where literally her friends don’t realize we even know eachother or think we hate eachother or that I’m not her type, and then they’re amazed when they find out we’ve been hooking up on the side once everyone goes home for the night. This is again why her roomie situ fucks the logistics, her roomie won’t “leave early” with your buddy because she lives with your girl so they’ll always have to leave together which means you’re always going to end up either just the 2 girls goin home together or all 4 of you going home together which is tricky.

        See if you can get your buddy to help you arrange an afterparty at their place next time…play it cool with your girl, less kino etc with her but lots of eye-fucking etc (to show her you can be discreet, plus it’s a bit assholish), until you all get back to their place (or yours, sometimes it’s easier for girls to “cheat” in a strange bedroom vs their own bedroom). Then make sure your boy knows to have a drink or two but then whisk his girl off to fuck…usually my wing and I play it like we’ll take our girl to help us pour drinks, then just make out and head to a bedroom leaving the other two alone in the living room where the guy can go “uhoh I think they’re fucking lol” and start building comfort and escalating. When she knows her friend is banging and no ones around to see her “cheat”, she’ll be a lot more receptive to fucking you than if its 4 of you drinking together till everyone falls asleep.

        Really solid play all the way thru tho, even if you can’t crack this ASD/LMR situ because the logistics are so fucked, you executed it all awesomely. Great work!



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Greg Eliot
on May 16, 2013 at 12:42 pm
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Well, it could be worse… Francesca could be here at the chateau, writing screed after inane screed, like some of the other distaff chaff already lolling about… flapping their yaps… and not cleaning.


  • Matthew King
    on May 16, 2013 at 1:05 pm
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    How do you know she isn’t here?


    • yeahokcool
      on May 16, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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      here’s to hoping, eh, matt? if she is here, you’ve got to bust some smooth moves so you can add her to your eharem.


      • YaReally
        on May 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm
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        lol’ed



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Shenpen
on May 16, 2013 at 5:31 am
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But WHY does a guitar case signalize higher status than an expensive suit? Why would be the musician above the manager or lawyer? Or when was it so in history or genetic prehistory? When did the bard trump the chieftain?

[CH: Chicks dig the artiste.

...and they also love a man who pursues a passion with zeal.]


  • YaReally
    on May 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm
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    Self-expression.

    A lawyer in a suit just has money. A penniless guitarist playing his soul out is expressing himself without fear of social judgement, often in front of hundreds if not thousands of people.

    This is why if you really own your hobbies and are passionate about them, girls will think they’re cool hobbies and want to fuck you…even if those hobbies are retarded shit.

    Even this dude probably had groupies lol he has a wife at 2:24:

    That all said, a really passionate lawyer who loves his job and is extremely intense about it, who’s seen doing his job with passion by a girl, will be attractive to her like the guitar guy. The difference out in public is that the guitar guy is carrying his passion in his hand, the lawyer’s is left behind in the courtroom.

    A guitarist who’s apathetic about playing and doesn’t care about music and just plays mary had a little lamb on his guitar will be less attractive than a plumber who loves his job and tells a girl facts about how pipes work with the full belief that its exciting and she should be fascinated by it.

    In short: own yer shit, whatever it is. Women don’t care what you’re passionate about, they just care that you’re passionate about SOMETHING. 90% of the generic office drone beta males out there have no passion for anything and spend their free time trying to escape life and reality thru videogames, tv, movies, watching sports instead of playing them, etc because their lives are mundane and they don’t have the drive to change them.



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PimpinBlueStar
on May 15, 2013 at 3:20 pm
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Great examples of “uncaring” asshole game. And where most n00bs get lost because they give each other the advice of “You gotta be an asshole to girls to get them to like you! It’s true man!” and then they go try to do this with girls and it flops. If you don’t actually think highly of yourself and you are too invested in getting a reaction out of the girl, she’ll backturn or it’s equivalent.

I’ll break down “uncaring” using the examples above, how I run my game and how I see other guys who are successful (and mostly just decent looking dudes):

1) Very selfish guys who keep it positive, not mean. In the above examples, you could say he’s being an “asshole”, but at the same time he’s not actually being “mean” is he? lol you could almost replace every line he types with “I’m the shit.” and be done with it. At no point is he trying to tear the girl down in a mean spirited way, he’s just basically saying “I’m amazing and no one tells me what to do. Oh and by the way, you should give me what I want because you’ll like it too.”

2) They don’t look for validation. Most guys (especially in LA) want to be the badass yet what they really need is affirmation from everyone around them that they are exactly that before they can go to work. They create an identity (nice cars, clothes, muscles, etc) and may proclaim “Yea mothafucka I’m the shit!!” but in the back of their heads is looming “ammmirite?” This shows when they get rejected by a girl and they respond with “Whatever stupid slut” or they see a guy like me (I’m 5’4″ and don’t have “society approved” qualities that people think are required to get the kind of girls I go after and get) and then they either a) want to fight me or b) lamely try to AMOG me. Point is: a real player doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone, he just knows he is and that’s the end of it. Women know real men when they see them by the way that they seek validation or not. That’s the true test.

[CH: Good comment. Solid, tight, unimpeachable.]


  • YaReally
    on May 16, 2013 at 10:44 pm
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    Real talk right here. Good stuff.

    “They create an identity (nice cars, clothes, muscles, etc) and may proclaim “Yea mothafucka I’m the shit!!” but in the back of their heads is looming “ammmirite?” This shows when they get rejected by a girl and they respond with “Whatever stupid slut” or they see a guy like me (I’m 5’4″ and don’t have “society approved” qualities that people think are required to get the kind of girls I go after and get) and then they either a) want to fight me or b) lamely try to AMOG me.”

    This is the environment I’m currently gaming in. Shit-tons of these guys around. Talking big and circling my shit like vultures. They’re all better looking than me, most are taller, richer, jacked, have better careers, have expensive cars, suits, haircuts, order bottle service, buy rounds for groups at a time, and go on and on about how badass they are etc…

    But I can see the “….ammirite??” underneath it all. And if I can see it, girls can see it. Not a single fuck given from me that these guys are my competition, because in reality they’re simply not.



bobjames435212on@gmail.com
on May 15, 2013 at 5:30 pm
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Smallville, a show targeted at teenagers, understood this ugly truth remarkably well. Keep in mind that some of the youtube comments read: “I have never been more afraid of Clark Kent or Tom Welling in my entire life… and oddly I find that so sexy”


  • Matthew King
    on May 16, 2013 at 7:11 am
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    I actually watched Smallville the first few seasons for the portrayal of Lex Luthor alone. His was an excellent depiction of alphatude in contrast to the ultra-knighting of Clark Kent. (I didn’t make it to the season where Lex snatches Clark’s high school sweetheart Lana and breeds her, but I believe that’s what happened.)

    Of course Luthor’s alpha posture had to be manifested in villainy, in order to match current mores. Assertive manliness is “evil” say the feminists and pseudo-subversive Dark Triadists.

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on May 16, 2013 at 11:04 pm
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      wow a Matt post I actually agree with.

      Lex on Smallville is a very solid character to reference for guys wanting to learn alpha traits. I like him as an example because objectively he’s a scrawny little metro guy, not a macho tough manly one-word growl badass…but the way he carries himself, uses breaking rapport voice tone, AMOGs people, speaks with authority and confidence, is unreactive, etc., its all really solid. He’s how AMOG’ing in rich social circles looks (like high end nightclubs)…where it’s not a guy telling another guy to step outside so they can fist-fight, it’s one guy dismissively responding “I like your shirt.” and knowing that cut the guy’s value down to the girls around him.

      Clark is superman but when the two of them walk into a room side by side it’s clear which one is more alpha.



walawala
on May 16, 2013 at 1:50 am
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Here’s my recent exchange with girl I’m banging who’s been giving me grief, just distancing, “busy with work”. We made plans for Friday. I disappeared for a few days. She reached out:

her: Meow

Me: reeeer.

Me: Got news. (get hamster going)

Her; “Good news? Happy news?”

Me: Tell u tmrw (way of confirming our meet up)

Her: some emoticon

Me:8pm. Dress nice. Bring snacks.

Her: Work tomorrow (shit test, push back)

Me: “Can’t meet?”

Her: Still meet, can’t in nice dress

Me: Find something you can do for me

Her: yes boss

Me: Surprise me


  • special_k
    on May 16, 2013 at 3:15 am
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    Not a huge deal, but you might have wanted to stop shy of “surprise me”. It was already implied, and by letting her be the last one to speak, you leave the conversation with de-facto hand.


    • YaReally
      on May 16, 2013 at 11:51 pm
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      I agree with this. It’s a minor thing and it’s not like that alone is going to affect whether she fucks you or not, but it’s a good habit to get into to practice not responding to every txt. In situations like this (the end of an interaction or when making plans etc) I tend to ask myself “does this response push things forward? Does the interaction NEED to be pushed forward or is it already a snowball rolling down the hill?” and then not send it if it isn’t necessary.

      That said, you guys would shit a brick at the verbosity of my txt game. I send entire screens of txts, multiple times in a row, with perfect spelling/grammar, emoticons, lols, etc. even if she’s replying with one word answers. But I know what I’m doing.

      I’m tempted to post some of my convos up with line by line pickup breakdowns for demonstration purposes but the internet detectives who do stuff like google a girl’s POF profile in a chateau post like in this comment section creep me out too much, and if the girl happened to google one of my txts she’d be pissed to find out I posted our private convo on the net and I’d end up with too much drama.


      • cryo
        on May 17, 2013 at 8:16 am
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        Seriously? Entire screens of texts? I’m curious how you make this work. Seems very beta to me, especially when dealing with unreceptive girls. I mean, one of my favorite girls is madly in love with me, I just broke her anal cherry last night, and I don’t think I’ve ever her sent her a text that was more than 8 words.

        I mean if it works for you, keep it up.


        • Holden Caulfield
          on May 17, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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          Its all context. If YaReally has tight game and the girl is into him, then super long texts, multiple texts, emoticons, whatever, will all work. From YaReally’s past posts, it seems his game is tight, so his text game is probably tight as well. Too many people on here worry about whether they’re doing shit “right”.


          • YaReally
            on May 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm
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            My txt game is wicked-tight. When other guys send a lot of txts it’s just gay shit that isn’t heading anywhere.

            It’s like how someone who talks a lot usually comes off beta and trying to hold attention desperately…but then you watch Russell Brand flirting with chicks and its like oh, shit, okay that can work.

            The diff between how Russell Brand blathers on endlessly and how most average guys would is that everything Russell says/describes is designed to take the girl on a massive emotional roller coaster of ups and downs and mental imagery and innuendo and teasing and push/pull and leading etc. so he’s actually packing a lot of game concepts into his verbals.

            My txt convos never look like:

            Guy: “How’s it going?”
            Girl: “Good u?”
            “Bored at work lol what u up to?”
            “Just hangin out”
            “How’s the hangover?”
            “Lol doing better”
            “Sounds like a fun night lol did you end up blah blah? Because this one time I blah blah”
            “Ya it was! I only blah blah’ed once and then we went blah blah”

            That’s the kind of guy who should just be txting one word replies because his txting so much is just “filler”. Like someone filling in silences with “um”s and “uhh”s. Its technically kind of building a little comfort at best but there’s no game principles involved in it.

            My txting looks more like:

            Me: “quit thinking about me, I can’t get any sleep when I’m running thru your dreams all night. Jerk.”

            Her: “lol o ya I couldn’t help it.”

            Me: “I understand you’re madly in love with me, but you’re going to have to try to restrain yourself. I recommend that restraining involve handcuffs. In fact I volunteer to help you with that. Don’t worry, mine are fuzzy ones.”

            Her: “lol maybe I already have a pair”

            Me: “of course you do, dirty birdy. I knew from the moment I saw you. I can read you like a book. I know your SOUL.”

            Her: “lol ur crazy”

            Me: “I knew you would say that. Now quit interrupting my workday to tell me about your 50 Shades of fantasies, I have work to do and I can’t balance my laptop on a boner.”

            Her: “lol u txted me!!”

            Me: “It’s alright, you don’t have to hide your love. Now I have to go polish my handcuffs. Pervert.”

            I’ll basically just fuck around and amuse myself but all my txts involve combinations of pushing toward sex, innuendo, push/pull, accusations and cold-reads, role playing, future projection, callback humor, us vs them, etc. so I’m txting a shitload but on her end she ends up distracted from whatever she’s doing being she can’t believe the shit that I’m writing to her.

            I usually initiate my txting during the slow work day (around noon) and late at night (9pm+) because those are the times she’ll be free to txt for a bit. If we pass 1pm and she’s still txting back then I pretty much keep her distracted thru the rest of her work day. At night I’ll drop more innuendo and see if she latches on and plays back and forth with me on it, at which point I’ll start downshifting into more sex discussion (stories experiences curiousities etc) and sexting because I know she’s probably alone in bed semi-naked and I can escalate describing sexy fantasy scenes of us and get her turned on enough to rub one out before going to sleep…and of course she’ll wake up thinking about me and I’ll be on her mind for part of her morning.

            Some girls don’t know how to respond to my txts so they look like I wrote up above, just little responses till I switch to comfort and they can txt more because they don’t have to be funny/witty. But a lot of girls will try to keep up with me and play back and occasionally I meet a girl who can actually keep up and we’ll both send off big page-long txts like mine above. The attraction with those girls spikes fast because they don’t meet guys who can have them reaching to try to out-wit them and its exciting.

            For stuff like meeting up a lot of guys txts look like:

            Guy: “come to Club Friday. Dress nice”
            Her: “lol I have plans already”
            (4 hours later): “Cancel them.”

            And that can work if the girl knows you well and you have enough value already and if you’re just inviting her to a nice safe thing like dinner or a party night…but I’m shooting for having her come over to fuck, so I have to get some emotional steam going like:

            Me: “you should come over Friday.”

            Her: “lol o really”

            Me: “well we could go to a bar instead but you’re a girl and girls take forever to get ready so we’ll end up being late and then one of us will have to give the bouncer a blowjob to get in and I have lockjaw from going down on you last night.”

            Her: “omg!!! Can’t believe u said that. And we never had sex u must have me confused.”

            Me: “oh right that was a dream I had. My bad. I guess that explains the whole thing with the goat. And how I managed to last an incredible 31 seconds breaking my former record of 30.”

            Her: “lol wow u sure know how to sell yourself”

            Me: “I would never sell myself. Who would pay for a night of disappointment followed by a morning of shame, regret, and being kicked out for my pretend early business meeting?”

            Her: “lol u wouldn’t throw me out”

            Me: “no that’s just the ugly girls. You can stay for breakfast, as long as you make it. In nothing but heels and an apron.”

            Her: “lol that’s how I always cook”

            Me: “I don’t believe you. You should come over Friday and we’ll cook dinner. We can wear clothes though, I look terrible in heels and an apron.”

            Her: “lol just dinner hey? I don’t believe you”

            Me: “well after dinner we can sit awkwardly on opposite ends of the couch with a barrier of pillows between us to ensure we don’t accidentally cuddle, but you’ll have to help me stack the pillows. And if you turn it into a pillow fight you’ll get a pillow spanking. Troublemaker.”

            Her: “lol what time?”

            So again a lot of what I do is pack a bunch of game concepts into individual txts. I can come up with this stuff on the fly because I’ve been doing it for a while and my in-person game is the same style. A big reason why I can build so much comfort/attraction is that I’m demonstrating a TON of my personality with these txts. Like after an afternoon of this kind of txting she feels like she’s known me forever and that I’m fascinating and I’m easily the most interesting txt conversation she’s ever had. She’s laughed, been offended, been relieved, been qualifying herself, been excited, been mad, been puzzled and mystified, etc. way more shit than most of her txt convos involve with normal guys.

            When I can do this a few times congruently she realizes “okay this is how this guy is, wow, I want to meet him”, especially if I lead it into sexual comfort/rapport building late at night.

            You could say “but YaReally isn’t this dancing monkey shit?” But the difference between this and that is that the dancing monkey isn’t headed anywhere. He’s in one spot trying to keep her there by trying to keep her attention. What I’m doing is plowing forward like a train and dragging her along with me.

            Like with the dinner txts above I pitch to come over which I know she won’t accept right away. Then I go off on a crazy emotional rollercoaster tangent, but I’m always looking to head back to the initial invite and I eventually return to it. So everything I’m txting is heading toward my goal of having her over to fuck. I’m never just txting for the sake of txting or txting like one of her girlfriends or orbiters.

            This is just how I run my attraction stuff. For comfort/rapport I tone the crazy down a bit and get more into deep emotional and sexual discussions…but again I save that for night time conversations, never daytime. That stuff is where I’ll get into pages and pages of multiple txts because I’m txting stuff like my views on relationships/monogamy and sexuality and jealousy etc so there’s a lot to explain but by then I’ve built enough attraction that she wants to read it all and she’s captivated by our conversation and she’s sharing her pages of feelings/experiences, so it helps build our connection. Then the next morning I go back to playful fun lighthearted stuff because I know the seeds have been planted and I’ve laid out my groundwork for a casual fuckbuddy situ.

            At that point I’ve already run all of the game I would run in person, we’ve gone thru all the mystery method stages etc and I can arrange her coming over usually to “watch a movie” (when she shows up I just pin her against the wall and make out and escalate right to the bedroom, because we’ve already talked about sex enough that I know she wants it), but sometimes I can get them to come over literally to have sex, like they’ll ignore their ASD and admit they need me to fuck them (then they get nervous right before coming over and I have to run some quick lighthearted attraction game to get over that last little hump lol)

            Anyway so I do a lot of txting. My phone is always going off and I’ll txt all day/night long if it means securing a casual FB without having to go to dinner etc lol. My job is lax so I can just shoot off txts all day.

            Some guys have money and time to burn so they don’t mind going out for dinner and drinks and doing this all then…but I’m lazy and poor and don’t want to do that so i’d rather spend a few days idly txting than waste a whole evening going out, buying drinks, building comfort, competing with distractions and cockblocks and logistics, her screening me as a provider, etc. that might end up with not even getting the lay that night.

            Wasn’t expecting this to be so long but hey, there’s a glimpse at my txt game.

            Also the interesting thing I found is that if I stay congruent to my verbose txts, she’ll eventually try to keep up with me. Like if she starts out typing like “wut u up 2?” And we txt for a bit and I stick to proper grammar/spelling, eventually (when I have enough value to her) she’ll clean her txting up a lot with me and txt with decent spelling/grammar like a normal human being lol I actually take that as an ioi.


        • YaReally
          on May 19, 2013 at 10:05 am
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          @pooralpha
          lol thanks. My shit is pretty specific to my personality (dry rambling sense of humor like Russell Brand, Ryan Reynolds or Hank Moody) so it’s not real useful for a lot of normal guys. I tried the James Bond stuff for a while and it works but it’s not congruent to me and I never enjoyed restricting myself that way. Plus I’m picky about which girls I spend time with so this helps screen out girls that I would be bored shooting the shit and joking around with after sex.

          @walawala
          Excellent, you’re getting the right idea. Some notes:

          1) if you don’t normally txt her like this, it can be strange to her because its not congruent to how she knows you, so it’s possible she’ll think you’re just being a dick and not into her anymore because suddenly you’re just being silly instead of how she’s used to you being, which if that’s how you are from the start its fine but as a behavior change it can read as dismissive to her. Her not txting back can be for a million reasons of course but there’s a chance it’s a result of “wtf? Why is he being like this? Wtf am I supposed to respond? Is he done with our shit and just fucking with me now?” confusion/embarrassment.I’m not saying that’s what’s happening, she might just be taking a dump and can’t respond lol, but it’s something to keep in mind and watch for signs of, because its a change in how she knows you to be.

          2) Remember to try to link it to the conversation so it comes off as witty/imaginative VS random. For example:

          “are you at the party?”
          “imagine we’re on a mission, what would you wear blah blah”

          VS

          “are you at the party?”
          “ya but I’m undercover on a mission and I need a partner, what would you wear blah blah”

          Also in the 2nd version I’ve packed in “forward intent” (ie – pushing toward the goal of meeting up for sex, even if you don’t actually expect to or can’t meet up, it’s good to keep them thinking “when I txt walawala I can rely on him to make me aroused”) by telling her I need a partner which is implying “you should come to the party to see/fuck me”

          So I’m relating it TO the conversation (about the party) AND pushing the interaction toward sex even minimally…VS “stalling” where we have a fun txt convo but it’s not leading anywhere besides a fun txt convo that she’ll get validation from and then go on her merry way.

          3) “schoolgirl uniform” = “I’m horny, make innuendo and sext me”. She could have picked any outfit in the world but she picked one with sexual connotations and it doesn’t even make sense in the spy roleplay so that’s two “outs” she passed up (to just answer something non-sexual). So here I would shift gears into heavier sexual flirting, whereas you kind of pull back into non-sexual territory. With a fuckbuddy that’s fine, she knows you can be sexual, but with a new random girl, this can be the difference between “this guy will know when I’m horny and take care of my needs” VS “this guy needs me to spell it out for him and I don’t want to sound slutty, I want him to “just get it”.” which with girls who like sexual dominant men, can lose you the girl entirely. Make sense?

          So when you go into the vials story, technically that’s a good LOGICAL follow-up to your initial bit, but you glossed over calibrating to her response/hint and pulled back from being sexual. It’s kind of like when a guy has a routine and the girl doesn’t respond like he expects but instead of shifting gears and adapting to that, he sticks to his routine rigidly and tries to force it, which frustrates her because she’s like “I was trying to take this somewhere”

          This also kind of plays into the possible “being dismissed” feeling she may get because now you’ve responded with nonsense AND “rejected” the open window where she “threw herself at you” by picking schoolgirl outfit. Again the dynamic is a little weird because you two have history and she has a view of how you normally respond to txts so that fucks with this particular experiment you’re doing lol. But that’s fine you can learn from it, you know?

          4) Note that she responds sexually to your roleplay. This is what I mean by throwing bits of innuendo and roleplay out as a feeler to see where she’s at to calibrate to it. If she responded “tuxedo”, then she’s not in a sexual headspace and you want to keep the innuendo/sexuality light and sprinkled in (always there but toned down), so with a girl who responded non-sexual like that, what you followed up with about the vials would be fine because that fits her headspace. Whereas this girl has fucked you so of course she responds sexual with “schoolgirl outfit”…so your “feeler” txt tells you how receptive she is to sexual flirting and with this response you know “okay she’s in a sexual frame so I want to slowly amp this roleplay toward sexting and sending her dirty txts at work to distract her with horniness all day”.

          5) don’t let them not responding right away cause you to panic. A lot of times girls just aren’t used to getting something like that in txt (since every other guy is txting them boring shit) and pretty girls don’t HAVE to be witty and able to play along with that stuff, so sometimes they want to think out their response to try to impress you etc. you’re basically giving them a chess problem to solve, and a lot of them love that because they don’t get that challenge from most guys.

          6) if she doesn’t play along that’s cool, don’t try to force her into it like forcing a square peg in a round hole, just drop it and move on…you’re just self-amusing so you don’t care. Like if she didn’t respond at all for 3 days after that last txt, don’t txt “I’m waiting…?” or “well, are you going to help me on the spy mission or not?” Just txt her like normal about whatever you would ordinarily.

          So you did good as a first go here, but the keys to remember for you right now:

          1) you can push the intent-to-meet-up-and-bang further
          2) calibrate the sexuality
          3) link the roleplay to the convo and what she says
          4) this experiment’s results will be off because you have history with her, try it on new girls for a more accurate view of how you’re doing with it and where sticking points are.

          Good luck man! Glad to see you experiment. Like I say this style isn’t for everyone, I’m mainly posting it to counter the notion that you shouldn’t ever send multiple txts, long txts, etc to girls and all pickup txting should be Jumbotron approved…you CAN break the rules IF you have a solid understanding of game concepts and attraction.

          Despite the length and frequency of my txts, in terms of building attraction and heading toward the goal of getting laid with new girls you haven’t fucked yet and/or don’t have high value with and/or are super hot and have 50 guys txting them every day, my txts are actually way more efficient than the bland short txts most guys send. :)



Science Vindicates Game… Again

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ImmoralGables
on May 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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Fellow readers of the Chateau. I’m pretty sure I messed up way before this text exchange by not making a move on HB7 Friday when I brought her and her friend back to my apt to blaze. Let that be a note and a painful reminder, escalate when you have the chance.

This is probably the most painful to write but yes I didn’t escalate other than heavy sexual innuendo and kino on Friday. Yes she was trying to convince her friend for both of them to spend the night. Yes there were plenty of IOIs. Ok enough of that as I feel foolish writing it. Yes we were talking about threesomes and picking up girls so its not like I was Mr Rogers but looking back, I got too excited over this girl and cared too much.

I’d like feedback on the text exchange that went down since Sunday. The girl in question is bisexual, Latina HB7 with a wedding ring.

(On Saturday afternoon)
**Me**: Out of all the Mariela’s I know, you def are in the top 3
(A few hours later)
**Me**: *top 5
(Next day on Sunday)
**Me**: You are the worst texter back ever I’m putting you on text probation.

(On Monday afternoon)

(From new phone, she’s from out the country): **Her** hey moralgables. fellow.gemini. this is my.new gone. so yeah thanks for.being cool and love to the virgo x

**Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married

**Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.

**Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol

**Me**: Girl, keep fronting like that and I’m taking you off the VIP list for the Gemini bday pool party

**Her**: Hahahahaha! Im so. excited! What r u up to this week

**Me**: I’m going to see krewella on Thursday, come be my wing woman. If u can hang that is

**Her**: Sounds amazing what time?

**Me**: Around 10 or so

**Me**: What are ur plans this week, other than causing trouble

**Her**: Um good question. I am playing most things by ear and working when I can haha

**Me**: Damn, you’re hardcore
**Me**: I imagine the crazies thing you’ll do all week is j-walking without panties on

**Her**: Not.true and gross lol u clearly gemini my life is much more.interesting than that.

**Me**:For some reason I have this image of you naked, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump

**Her**: Stop picturing me naked is a conflcit of interest. We can be eachothers wingmen only if we keep it gemini friendship style hahahs.

**Me**: Sorry to disappoint but I wasn’t thinking about sex. U seem lke u might be a decent wingwoman

———ANNNNNNNND ITS GONE————–

***Debrief:*** We talked a lot Friday about her being a wingwoman and us seducing chicks to that’s where her last text came from. She also plays music which is where my Forrest Gump text came from although reading it on screen makes me realize it was not nearly as smooth as I thought.

I failed in not escalating properly Friday, it’s still coming from a mindset of unchartered territory and me not pushing myself I had an inclination that my Forrest Gump text was pushing it too far and she gave me a warning to pump the breaks. Successes were made overall but I’m still feelng like the same chump who made similar mistakes in August and October at similar social events. I’m getting to maybe mile 5, then 10, then 20 but still don’t think I can finish the marathon.

Anyways, to calibrate, next time I should just recruit her as a wingwoman and chill a little bit. But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way. Either that or again, I’m no where smooth as I think I am.

Again, all criticism and feedback is appreciated as my ego is fine with taking a beating if the future outcome is I don’t keep dropping the ball.


  • Matthew King
    on May 14, 2013 at 4:27 pm
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    But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way.

    Or … you can just apply Occam’s Razor and realize he’s a one-trick street performer talking out his ass.

    He “sexualizes” the interaction in an already hypersexualized milieu and thinks he’s bold for it. His can only interpret those of us who apply some minimal craft/wit to our socializing as not having the balls to be as “forward” as he is. There’s no art to the single entendre, which is why your artless mentor has no choice but to advise it.

    And what is your reward? The poison g-word — “gross” — which is one step above “creepy.” No subtlety, no plausible deniability, just on to the next chick who is receptive to your crude calibrations (100% YaReally Moneyback Guarantee!). And there’s plenty of that kind of girl, I’m sure. But every one of them combined wouldn’t make up for the fact that you have no class. In fact, you are so bereft of refinement that you think it’s a sign of strength to mock the very concept of class itself as “beta” or cowardly or fussy. And you will hoot and howl at the one informing you of your deficiency as an envious hater or pretender.

    Which I now authorize you to do. Because you’ve got nothing else. Let it all out: if you’re not going to acknowledge your deficiencies, much less remedy them, you might as well loudly deny them to the approval of the mob, who will applaud you from their own shared insecurities and make you feel better for now.

    Get yourself some artistry, son, some culture, some urbanity, some savoir faire. Even if you could get a certain type of woman by whipping your dick out onto the bumpkin bar — would you refrain from doing it? Forget her. Would you refrain for simple dignity’s sake?

    Matt


    • YaReally
      on May 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm
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      @Matt
      “He “sexualizes” the interaction in an already hypersexualized milieu and thinks he’s bold for it.”

      Nah, I run the same game during the day and outside of bars. I’d run it in church if I wouldn’t burst into flames walking into one lol. And I calibrate it to the girl, so I can tone it down or escalate fast. “Be like water”, as Bruce Lee says.

      Again you’re just showing how little experience you actually have with game here. “That race car driver just floors the gas the whole race!!” Sorry man, there are subtleties and nuances that are just over your head lol

      @immoral
      Breakdown comin up when I get off work. You already know where you fucked up (ie – you were toast before these txts, so going sexual definitely wasn’t going to turn it around) so consider this end result a lesson to remember in the future about escalating when the window is open (ESPECIALLY with married chicks lol) but I’ll break down exactly why what happened happened for the sake of learning/understanding, check back later!


      • Lemon
        on May 15, 2013 at 8:29 am
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        “Sorry man, there are subtleties and nuances that are just over your head lol”

        why the lol at the end of this sentence? what was funny?


        • YaReally
          on May 15, 2013 at 10:06 am
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          The mental image in my head of Matt’s face when he sees I’m being condescending to him. :)


        • Matthew King
          on May 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
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          He’s a loller, that’s why. It’s like a Tourette’s tic. A lollble-head doll. And he is forever doing battle with “the mental image[s] in his head” of critics rather than the critics themselves, and occasionally that schizo-battle spills out over his keyboard.


          • YaReally
            on May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
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            lol


  • YaReally
    on May 14, 2013 at 10:37 pm
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    @ImmoralGables

    “I’m pretty sure I messed up way before this text exchange by not making a move on HB7 Friday when I brought her and her friend back to my apt to blaze”

    Yep.

    There’s a window of opportunity that women open and need you to jump through because for them, opening that window is like “throwing themselves” at you. Like, in lady-world, being really forward triggers so much ASD etc. that for them, just standing near a guy can feel almost desperate and degrading…whereas in guy-world most of us don’t even notice little signals like that. So you get that classic situation where the girl is frustrated with the beta/AFC guy because he isn’t getting her “obvious” clues that she likes him and won’t make a move, but he’s frustrated because he’s waiting for a clear signal from her that he should make a move.

    Different women in different circumstances have different windows. A single chick in your social circle who has a crush on you might leave that window open for months or years. A bitchy chick at the bar who you end up hate-fucking might have only left that window open for a split second after a really solid Neg blew her bitch-shield apart and she hasn’t collected herself again. An innocent good-girl who’d never dream of sleeping with a guy on the first date, who’s brain is fried from all the emotions her date is pushing her through so that she gets carried away feeling like she’s on a magical romantic adventure might unexpectedly-to-herself open that window that night for that guy. A girl at the bar who’s turned on by one guy all night might have her window open but can be stolen by another guy who AMOGs the first guy and continues to give her more of the emotions she’s craving and HE can jump through the window the other guy opened. A bride-to-be on her bachelorette party might have the window open that night, after a few drinks, but slam it shut once she sobers up in the morning to never open it again.

    Your problem here is like that last example. This girl was married, and she had the window open that Friday night, but you didn’t jump through it, so once she woke up in the morning and the attraction haze had worn off, that window is slammed shut. That’s why she won’t flirt sexually with you anymore, she regrets even having your number because it’s a reminder to her that she let her ASD down and opened her window *AND* you rejected her by not jumping through it, when her social conditioning tells her that she’s a bad person (slut, etc.) for even opening that window in the first place. So now you trying to flirt or be aggressive with her just reminds her “you’re a sluuuuuut, you almost cheated on your husbaaaaand, you whooooore” and makes her feel squicky.

    “Let that be a note and a painful reminder, escalate when you have the chance.”

    Yep. This is the lesson to take from all of this. It might be embarrassing to admit all this but it’s really not a big deal as long as you learn from it. How do I know about the windows? Because I fucked it up a bunch of times myself, before I started being more aware of the dynamic and seizing opportunities.

    A lot of it is MAKING shit happen. I’d bet if you thought back to that Friday you could think of a dozen places you could have escalated to a makeout etc., even just like, when you’re all walking, stop your girl while her friend walks ahead a couple steps (so she can’t see you two, and your girl’s ASD isn’t triggered) and just pull her in for a kiss. Like, there were a dozen opportunities to pull that trigger, I’m sure.

    In fact it can even help to replay the night in your mind and think about all the stages you could’ve done something like that. “Ah shit, we were alone when her friend went to get her jacket, I could’ve just kissed her there…and my apartment has that stairwell, I could’ve let the friend go up first and made out at the bottom of it…and when I poured a drink I could’ve told my girl to come help me…” so that in the future when you’re bringing girls through all that, your brain is like “Hey dude, remember last time and what you should’ve done? Let’s do that this time!” lol

    This is part of why we plan out our Day 2′s and the logistics involved in them, so that a lot of that stuff is on auto-pilot. Like if the back entrance to my apartment building is dark and shadowy with lots of corners to fool around in, while the front entrance is bright and mood-killing with a security guard, I’m going to tell the girl the front entrance is under construction and bring her through the back entrance so I can escalate…she doesn’t care, she WANTS it all to happen, so she’s not going to argue. I could say “oh the front entrance has fish in it, so let’s use the back” and she’ll go “okay!!” lol Same with setting up my apartment…if I have a bed and a chair in my bedroom, the chair is going to have clothes and books on it. If I have a living room, the heat is going to be turned down so we can curl up under a blanket on the couch together. etc. etc.

    So think back through that Friday, all the way from the bar to your place, and how/where you could’ve escalated with your girl…it won’t change anything, but it will help you in the future. Half of learning game is going out and applying it, but the other half is being able to analyze your nights out, successes and failures, and tweak your game in the future.

    “Yes she was trying to convince her friend for both of them to spend the night.”

    lol. The window.

    “Yes there were plenty of IOIs.”

    Yep. ‘Cause at that time, the window was open. Despite her wedding ring, she decided “I want his dick tonight, I need to help create the opportunity for him to take the ball and run with it.” And she needs YOU to take the lead because it has to be “your fault” or feel like it “just happened”, to alleviate her ASD guilt she’ll have that’ll either create LMR that night or Buyer’s Remorse the next morning. With taken girls I’ll actually fully take responsibility from them by saying stuff like “I’m totally taking advantage of you, sorry…just kidding, I’m not sorry at all. ;) ” when I first kiss her etc. Then she can tell herself “ya, he’s taking advantage of me!! I’m not a slut, it’s *HIS* fault this is happening!”

    It’s like a fat chick on a diet…she can’t BUY a piece of chocolate cake or she’ll feel guilty because she’s actively obtaining it. But if someone at her office brings in chocolate cake for everyone, she’ll eat it guilt-free because “well it’s not my fault, I didn’t BUY it!!” and her hamster can rationalize the whole situation in a way that she isn’t the “bad guy”.

    Personally, I find this whole concept fascinating, in terms of studying human psychology in general. And understanding this concept is a big part of why I can get “good girls” or “taken girls” or “innocent girls” or “Madonnas” to do things with me that their friends would never believe they were capable of doing, or that guys who don’t have experience with women would never believe a “classy” girl like them would do…’cause those girls normally *WOULDN’T* do those things. I just understand how to bring it out of them while other guys don’t.

    “Ok enough of that as I feel foolish writing it.”

    Lol it’s all good. Often you can learn more from a fuck-up than a success. :) Don’t let the fact that you’ve been doing this for a while build an ego in your mind where you think “I shouldn’t be fucking up like this, I’m supposed to be better than this now”, ’cause that’ll just fuck with your head. Accept what happened, laugh it off, learn from it, and remember it for next time. ;) I still fuck up lots lol

    “Yes we were talking about threesomes and picking up girls so its not like I was Mr Rogers”

    lol it sounds like you were doing great that Friday. You had her trying to convince her friend to spend the night so she could fuck you, so clearly you were doing something right. So take that from this, that your initial game was solid shit and you were dropping enough innuendo/kino/etc. to attract her. It’s not like you were talking about puppydogs and ice cream and she didn’t know you had a penis.

    “looking back, I got too excited over this girl and cared too much.”

    The important question to ask yourself about Friday night is: Why didn’t you escalate on her? Like real escalation, making out and showing her your bedroom etc.? Like exactly what went through your mind that you didn’t escalate?

    Was it that she had a ring on (your own moral/ethical hang-up or line you don’t want to cross)? Was it that she wasn’t actually into you (doesn’t sound like this)? Was it that her friend didn’t like you (and you needed to warm her up more)? Was it that her friend liked you but would judge her friend for being slutty (was she hesitant about the whole situation)? Did something happen at some point where the vibe completely shifted into awkwardness? Did you just get lazy/apathetic from the pot? Were you not sure if your girl was into you or not? Were the girls too distracted? Could you just not think of a way to isolate her from her friend long enough to escalate? Did you let them lead themselves? Did you lead too much? etc.

    Keep in mind that none of this is judging you as a person…like I don’t care if you have an ethical hang-up about her having a ring on. That’s cool, maybe you’re just not a guy who crosses that line. That’s fine, as long as it’s something you’re aware of. Or if you couldn’t think of a way to isolate your girl, that’s fine, it just means you need to look at your logistics and figure out places/ways you can isolate. Maybe her friend didn’t like you, that’s cool, it just means you need to work on befriending her friends and disarming them. Maybe the girls were too distracted and you fell “into the background” once they got to your place…that’s fine, it just means you have to learn to keep their attention and keep leading.

    So don’t be embarrassed by the reasons, it’s important to figure them out, for the sake of learning/growing.

    “I’d like feedback on the text exchange that went down since Sunday.”

    You were toast as of Friday night when they went home. Or at the latest by Saturday morning when she woke up and the attraction you were spiking wore off and the realization that she almost cheated kicked in.

    “The girl in question is bisexual, Latina HB7 with a wedding ring.”

    The wedding ring is what made all the difference here. Another girl who’s single might give you another shot after dropping the ball on Friday, but a taken chick is more likely to slam that window shut and glue it down.

    She knows that if she hangs around you, that window will open again and she might cheat, so her ASD won’t let her hang out with you…*ESPECIALLY* if you’re dropping innuendo and talking about her panties etc., because now you’re just compacting that “hey, if you agree to hang out with me while I’m saying these things, you’re being a slut”. So her ASD says “ya, we can’t hang around this guy at *ALL* or it’s trouble.”

    That’s why she tries to put you in the “we can only hang out as friends” frame…but because you went all sexually aggressive with her in these txts, she can’t fool her hamster into believing that you just want to be friends so that you can orchestrate another chance for it to “just happen”.

    To get her out again after dropping the ball on Friday, the best thing you could’ve done is to not be sexual with her at all and 100% stuck to the idea that she would be your wingman. Like nothing about “our kids would be” and talking about her panties and picturing her naked, etc. When you do that, her ASD says “this guy wants sex!!!! Stay away!!!” Then when you try to be like “I wasn’t thinking about sex, we can just hang”, her ASD goes “nooooo way, wolf in sheep’s clothing, I know you just want sex!!” and she can’t do it.

    So by being totally non-sexual and acting like you have no interest whatsoever in her except to come out as your wingman (and even then you should be prepared for her to bring her hubby out with her, as her way of proving to her ASD that she’s not a slut going to meet up with a guy behind her hubby’s back), you could possibly skirt around her ASD…enough to get her out and then in-person escalate that shit up. So basically you’re playing “I have a penis (Friday), just kidding what penis? (txting Saturday) Surprise, there it is again, smacking you in the face! (next time you hang out)” game lol

    So that’s all the shit going on in this situation. Ultimately you ran solid enough game to get her to open her window, but you didn’t jump through it, her ASD had to slam it shut, and then you tried to open it again with the wrong key. No biggie, it’s all logical. :)

    “**Her**: (snip) thanks for.being cool and love to the virgo x”

    This is her friend-zoning you. “Thanks for being cool” is basically “I feel guilty about what happened, thanks for not making this whole situation weird”.

    “**Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married

    **Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.”

    This would be fine if she hadn’t slammed her window shut. Like if she was a single chick who wasn’t feeling guilty about almost actively trying to spend the night at your place.

    “**Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol”

    But here she friend-zones you again by saying “you need a”, disqualifying herself, and technically disqualifying you (since if geminis need scorpios and you’re a gemini, you’re disqualified from being her type). She’s basically trying to let you down easy. You’re not being enough of a dick for her to just stop txting you or getting mad at you, but she’s having none of it right now.

    That doesn’t mean you CAN’T turn it around, but it would be a Herculean effort to do it and would take a shitload of miracle alignments of the planets for the logistics and mood and everything to work out right AND you’d be actively fighting against her hamster who would have it’s guard up double-strength to prevent it from happening…so I would say drop this one entirely and don’t bother trying to turn it around because it’s just not worth your time. Just take the lessons you learned from this and move on.

    If she was like, a 10, or you guys had perfect chemistry, or you WANTED to take her from her husband and break up their marriage and seriously date her yourself, etc., there’s shit you could do…but if she’s a random, just move on.

    Also notice this repeating pattern:

    “**Me**: I am so glad that as geminis we can’t get married

    **Me**: You know our kids would be crazy just like us.”

    You show intent to fuck her.

    “**Her**: Haha u need a scorpio my love they ground us and put us in check lol”

    She deflects you.

    “**Me**: Girl, keep fronting like that and I’m taking you off the VIP list for the Gemini bday pool party”

    You show no intent (you’re just joking aobut a pool party, VS her being off the VIP list for a private massage etc.).

    “**Her**: Hahahahaha! Im so. excited! What r u up to this week”

    She shows interest. So when you show an intent to fuck her, her ASD makes her deflect it, and when you play “Penis? What penis?” and tuck it away, her ASD doesn’t trigger so she can show IOIs again.

    This is a different dynamic than that Friday night, where her hamster was asleep and she was able to show interest when you showed intent and she had that window open…now that it’s shut, the dynamic has changed and you have to adapt/calibrate to that. Thus why my recommendation that the optimal play would’ve been to hide your penis and disqualify yourself from fucking her and invite her out purely as a platonic wingman, to skirt around her ASD, and then re-game in person.

    “**Me**: I’m going to see krewella on Thursday, come be my wing woman. If u can hang that is”

    Again, you’re showing no intent to fuck her. You’re disqualifying her and telling her to help you bang OTHER women.

    “**Her**: Sounds amazing what time?”

    So again her ASD isn’t triggered and she can show interest.

    “**Me**: I imagine the crazies thing you’ll do all week is j-walking without panties on”

    lol this came out of the blue pretty uncalibrated…unless you guys talked about her not wearing panties etc. on Friday and this is a call-back reference. The thing with turning it sexual over txts is that you want it to make the transition make some sense because she’s only got txts to go by…in person you can say nonsense and it goes over fine because she has your eye contact, body language, tone of voice, kino, etc. to read and what you say doesn’t really matter if it makes sense…but over txt all she can do is read your words so they should be solid. On top of that, until she starts playing along, you want to drop some innuendo and then back off, the same way you would with compliments.

    Like “You’re beautiful.” and nothing else has her going “ummm thanks?” and not knowing what to respond. But “You’re beautiful. Let’s hang out on Friday.” still gets the compliment there but she can latch onto the Friday thing to reply to you. So with innuendo, at the start I’ll “test” her with feelers like that, where if I said “For some reason I have this image of you naekd, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump.” I would follow it up with “Of course your singing would be terrible and I would be leading the crowd in boo’ing you. ;) ”, so that the innuendo is still in there, but I give her something else to reply to. Then if her reply doesn’t acknowledge the naked singing bit (like she just responds “you’re terrible, you WOULD boo me!! lol”, I know she’s not warmed up enough to sexually flirt yet, but if her reply is like “ya I bet you’d love me naked on a stage!”, now we can get into some back-and-forth (“of course, I’ve already folded my dollar-bills to stuff in your g-string ;) ”).

    So that’s how to calibrate that stuff. But that all said, in *THIS* particular situation where her window has shut because she’s married and you fucked up already, her ASD likely wouldn’t play along and let things get sexual so it would be a no-go in general in this situation. I’m just explaining it for your future txting with girls that haven’t got their ASD firing off like a fire alarm. :)

    “**Her**: Not.true and gross lol u clearly gemini my life is much more.interesting than that.”

    The panties thing showed sexual intent, so again her ASD triggers and she has to deflect it. So that’s a consistent pattern that’s going on here. You advance, her ASD triggers and she retreats. You retreat, her ASD doesn’t trigger and she advances.

    “**Me**:For some reason I have this image of you naked, playing guitar on stage like in Forrest Gump”

    You show sexual intent…so what’s going to happen?

    “**Her**: Stop picturing me naked is a conflcit of interest.”

    Her ASD triggers and she has to retreat. And because you’ve done this a few times without noticing the pattern, her ASD gets louder and louder and now she has to try AGAIN to set the friend-zone frame with:

    “**Her**: We can be eachothers wingmen only if we keep it gemini friendship style hahahs.”

    That window is sealed up tight lol This is why I say you might as well just leave this one alone and move on. Even with this friend-zone reframe, she’ll probably still flake on you and it’ll be hard to get her to meet up again, because her hamster is just in overdrive with regards to you, especially after the “too much intent” texting you did this day.

    You can probably keep txting her and keep getting responses from her, but you’re in kind of a stale-mate so you’re just sort of wasting your time. If by fluke you ran into her at the bar again in the future, she’d be more on-guard than before, but you might be able to attract her again…but it’s really unlikely that you’ll get her to voluntarily meet up with you, especially not one-on-one, at this point.

    Consider this one over. :)

    “**Me**: Sorry to disappoint but I wasn’t thinking about sex. U seem lke u might be a decent wingwoman”

    Too late for this, you’ve shown enough intent that her ASD will always know you’re a wolf in sheep’s clothing. So this just comes off incongruent and suspicious now. Again if you had instead hidden your penis in these txts, something like this would be more congruent, and you might be able to fool her ASD into letting her meet up, but the damage is done.

    “We talked a lot Friday about her being a wingwoman and us seducing chicks to that’s where her last text came from.”

    Another way to get her to fuck you that night would be to seduce a girl with her and lead her into a 3-some (sometimes they’re up for it with their BFF friend that’s with them, sometimes it’s too weird for them and you need a random girl)…because then you’re offering more than her hubby can offer. If all you’re offering is one on one sex, and she gets enough of that from her hubby, you’re not bringing anything to the table that’ll make her tell her hamster to shut up and make her force her window back open again. But if you were like, a famous rockstar she’s had a crush on, only in town for one night, and you were going to fly her to your mansion and do crazy sexual things with her that her husband would never do, all consequence and guilt-free, she could ignore her hamster’s complaints because she’d be getting so much value from it.

    This is part of why married/taken girls come back to me for repeat business. I don’t offer them anything Providerish, I don’t pay for anything, I don’t give them money, I don’t have a car so they have to drive to my place, I’m probably not even as good looking as some of their significant others…*BUT*, I offer them a sexual fantasy playground that they can’t get from their significant others. We’ll do fucked up kinky shit, 50 Shades of Grey style, I’ll try to arrange a 3-some, I’ll put them through emotional rollercoasters as we fuck, I’ll even light candles and put on super romantic music and fuck them slow and sensual if that’s what they’re into, and I make them feel sexy the way their stale relationships don’t (so they’ll buy lingerie/costumes/etc. to wear over to my place, because they love that when I open my door I give them a slow sexual eye-fuck from head to toe and back up again the way their significant others did when they first dated but stopped down after a few years together).

    So I bring sexual value to the table, and they can convince their hamsters to rationalize it as “sure I shouldn’t be doing this, and I wouldn’t with any other guy, but he makes me feel things my guy no longer does and I need to feel that!” And because I don’t try to get them to break it off with their guy etc., and even give her tips on how to get him to fuck her better, all she gets from me is value and she’ll come back to me.

    So with your girl, the optimal play would’ve probably been “I have a penis (Friday), just kidding what penis? (txting Saturday) Let’s wingman eachother and find you a girl! (next time you hang out) Surprise, I have a penis again, and it’s smacking you and this other girl in the face! (find a girl together that night and seduce her together, tell her she can fuck the girl at your apartment then flirt with her girl too and join in with them and have a 3-some)”. At that point you would have the lay and either never see her again but leave her with the best memory/fantasy of her life, or she would become a repeat customer because you’re offering her sexual value her hubby probably can’t give her.

    “She also plays music which is where my Forrest Gump text came from although reading it on screen makes me realize it was not nearly as smooth as I thought.”

    lol it definitely wasn’t smooth…again, with that stuff try to relate it to the actual conversation and/or call-back humor you know she’ll remember. BUT, you were doomed at that point anyway, so it didn’t really matter…just for the future, think these out a bit more. I’ll often reword a txt a bunch of times before I finally send it. You don’t have to respond instantly…it’s worth the wait if the txt is awesome.

    “I failed in not escalating properly Friday”

    Yep, but at least you’re aware that this is where you went wrong, and not like, the Forrest Gump txt. So that’s something to be proud of, that you could even spot where your fuckup was. Once you know where you went wrong, you can work on fixing it in the future. We’re students of the game for life. :)

    “it’s still coming from a mindset of unchartered territory”

    lol even if you had an orgy with 5 girls every night, one day you’d have an opportunity for an orgy with 6 girls and fuck it up because it was uncharted territory. :) So don’t beat yourself up.

    “and me not pushing myself”

    This, in relation to Friday night, is probably your main issue. Just not believing that you could escalate that situation despite all the (now blatant in hindsight) signs that you probably could have. It’s okay, this is scary shit at first. I can’t even count the number of times I did something, expecting to get slapped, then was shocked to find it completely worked better than I could have expected, and then dropped the ball because I panicked at it working and didn’t know what to do because it was uncharted territory lol SO many times…but I learned from each reference experience. :)

    “but I’m still feelng like the same chump who made similar mistakes in August and October at similar social events. I’m getting to maybe mile 5, then 10, then 20 but still don’t think I can finish the marathon.”

    lol don’t sweat it. The biggest thing comes down to analyzing your night/sarge and figuring out where you could have done better…and asking for advice from more experienced guys when you aren’t sure what you could’ve done. But every mistake takes fucking up a few times before your brain finally stops making that mistake, so this is a slow process. Don’t stress if other guys have gotten success faster than you…Tyler went out for like 2 years straight before even getting laid.

    This is part of why having a good wingman can help, where you can both analyze eachother’s game and help spot eachother’s sticking points and figure out how to work on them etc.

    “But reading YaReally’s texts on sexualizing things fast causes me to apply the idea (which is a great idea) in a miscalibrated way. Either that or again, I’m no where smooth as I think I am.”

    lol it’s good to experiment with it. There was a time where I txted as asexual and friend-zoney as every other dude, and I had to actively work on learning to turn things sexual, and I fucked up a bunch along the way saying uncalibrated unsmooth shit too. In this particular situation, you were doomed from the start, she wasn’t going to play ball with you getting sexual, and your innuendo etc. was dropped out of the blue and left hanging for her to respond to vs riffing off the conversation or in-jokes and giving her other stuff to respond to until she takes the bait and plays along with your sexual stuff.

    So you had the right idea, but wrong circumstance to apply it and applied it in a bit of an off way. No biggie, there are plenty more girls! :) This is part of why I recommend grabbing a free online dating account and messaging a shit-ton of girls, doesn’t matter what they look like, and practice turning the conversations sexual off whatever their response to you is…like trying to get sexual as fast as possible. You’ll creep a bunch of them out, but who cares, they’re just online chicks, and you can grind out a lot of experience this way that you can translate into your txt flirting and then into your real life flirting.

    “Again, all criticism and feedback is appreciated as my ego is fine with taking a beating if the future outcome is I don’t keep dropping the ball.”

    lol that’s the attitude to have. Your ego is what’s telling you “wtf, how am I making the same mistakes as back in August?! I should be better at this by now!!” but it’s just trying to fuck with you. The reality is that if you’ve had 20 situations where bisexual married girls are begging their friend to stay overnight at your place, sure, you can beat yourself up for dropping the ball…but if you haven’t run into that situation a bunch, then fuck it, you’re still learning and that’s cool. You might not be in this situation again for like a year, and then you might drop the ball again because it’s been so long since your last reference experience with it lol and that’s alright too. It’s the same as lifting weights…if you lift daily it gets easier. If you only lift that weight in that way a couple times a year, it’s going to be hard. :)

    Anyway, hope this helps ya! Good luck, and props for giving it a go and pushing your comfort zone! Hit me up with any questions if something doesn’t make sense to you…like I say, once you understand the dynamics going on because of her ring and that window and ASD etc., this is all really simple and logical and you just go “oh, whoops, ya, of course that happened, because I did Such and Such! My bad lol” :)


    • Ronin
      on May 15, 2013 at 1:05 pm
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      @YaReally: I screwed up on that ‘window’ a few times, too.

      Just like you said, it didn’t really seem like much. They just seemed +/- nicer-than-average.

      How do I ~’know’ I screwed up?

      -Because after awhile, they Abruptly-Stop being nicer-than-average, and start throwing little hissy-fits, and acting really really bratty for what seems to be Absolutely No Reason.

      If you hadn’t articulated it in that way, esp. the:

      ‘because for them, opening that window is like “throwing themselves” at you’

      , I’m not sure I would have thought about it quite the same.


      • YaReally
        on May 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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        “Because after awhile, they Abruptly-Stop being nicer-than-average, and start throwing little hissy-fits, and acting really really bratty for what seems to be Absolutely No Reason.”

        lol this is exactly it. They completely 180 and when you’re new you’re like “wtf just happened here???” When you’ve missed enough windows you realize”ohhhh…THAT’S why she’s so mad!” and start paying more attention.

        I think it’s funny that often the window will be sealed shut for something as simple as “not wanting to fuck her that night”. It happens with fuckbuddies too. I stress to guys getting into fuckbuddy harem management that part of being FBs is that you understand that when she txts you to hook up, you either hook up or have a good excuse not to…you don’t just ignore her txt or play games because part of the FB deal to her is that when she’s “begging” for your cock (with a “hey what’s up?” txt at 2am), YOU understand that she’s throwing herself out there and making herself vulnerable going against her ASD, and you respond appropriately (reward her for overcoming her programming, or have a good excuse)

        Shoot her down playing aloof/disinterested games enough times and she’ll take it personal, get insulted & pissed and turn hostile on you and, depending on how cocky she is and how much of a diss she takes it as when a guy turns down her pussy, she may seal the door shut.

        I learned this by turning down enough girls (accidentally and on purpose) to run into the situation over and over, of course lol most of those girls I could proooooobably turn back around with enough time for them to forgive & forget the burn but I can think of two specific ones who will hold a grudge to their grave (very hot cocky girls who NEVER get refused what they want from a man and I bitched them out hard for trying to come over unannounced after I already said “not tonight” and on top of it they were “slumming it” with me because I was uglier and less wealthy etc than the guys they were used to, but too sexually attractive to them (cause of game) turn down, so the insult was compounded by my low status lol).



YaReally
on May 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm
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People laugh at shit like “The Cube” these days because it seems cheesy and it’s easy to make fun of the old PUA tech.

But that shit was DEADLY. Like, you have to have legit run it on a few girls to understand…it hit girls on all the levels they want to be hit and it hit DEEP. I got a couple stalkers out of it and literally just stopped using it because it creeped me out too much how they’d respond (to them the whole thing was an emotional mind-fuck, but to me I was just bullshitting, so I felt bad “duping” them…I have no idea how psychics etc can sleep at night ripping people off that way).



The One Instance Saying Sorry To A Girl Is Helpful

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tspark156
on May 13, 2013 at 11:39 am
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Girl: If you think I am going home with you…….
Me: I wasn’t thinking that I only take hot girls home. Back turn.


  • YaReally
    on May 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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    Butt-hurt, but two situations it would work:

    1) She’s already attracted to you and knows you’re attracted to her and she’s attractive enough to be confident in her looks, and you say it with a wink and a half-grin sarcastically, setting up a roleplay where you’re calling eachother ugly and building the sexual tension that way. This is a nice happy fun mood and you’ll get a good fun lay out of it.

    2) She’s super smokin’ hot but also full of herself/bitchy and you say it super aloof like you don’t give a fuck about her and your frame is strong/confident enough for her to believe “wow, he really doesn’t think I’m good enough for him…every guy thinks I’m good enough for them, who the fuck is THIS guy?? He must be high-value!! I’ll show him, I’ll make him want me like those other guys!!” etc. This is a rude hostile mood and you’ll get a good hate-fuck out of it.

    But ya, the rest of the time it’ll just come off butt-hurt.



YaReally
on May 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm
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“If you think I’m going home with you…”

“Okay, we can just do it in the bathroom over there. God you’re forward…but I’m drunk and have low standards so I’m in.”


  • Matthew King
    on May 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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    Solid Fire Island bathhouse game. A few tweaks and it’ll work behind rest stops too.


    • YaReally
      on May 13, 2013 at 4:40 pm
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      See, now you’re commenting on things you’re an expert in, I’m glad you’re finally taking my advice. Hugsies! :)



Sidewinder
on May 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm
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Online dating question:

Exchanged 2 messages with a girl, set up a time to meet for drinks this weekend. She cancels saying that she’s met someone and wants to see where that goes before meeting someone else, and she wanted me to know that she wasn’t blowing me off.

[CH: Translation: She wanted you to know you are the back-up plan.]

Does this require any response from me?

["gay".]

The standard responses of “lame” or “gay” seem overly butt hurt in this situation.

[Wait a day before responding. It'll be perceived as less butthurt.]

And any kind of clever reply seems very try hard. We had never met and she was actually being polite in telling me up front what was going on. My gut instinct is to not reply at all, being that I’m completely indifferent to our initial plans having never met her, and her cancellation appears to be polite and not a shit test.

General agreement that no response is necessary?

["gay" or no reply. If you want to go funny, tell her you could give her tips on how to properly play the field.]


  • YaReally
    on May 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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    “good luck! txt me if he turns out to be a serial killer lol”

    Replace “serial killer” with anything you think she’d be disappointed in. “txt me if he turns out to be boring and you need me to help you sneak out the bathroom window lol” Or “txt me if he won’t stop talking about his mom all night lol” etc.

    My interactions always have a sexual vibe so I’d use more offensive stuff like “txt me if he can’t get it up lol” or “txt me if he rolls over and goes to sleep leaving you hanging lol” or “txt me if he’s boring and you need someone to whisk you off to the bathroom and send you back to the table with a smile on your face ;) lol” etc. etc. But don’t do this if you haven’t been sexually flirting with her already. I never set a “dating” frame so this works for me. Keep it rated PG if you’ve been running gentlemanly game.

    She’s being legit polite, and you’re right that “lame” and “gay” are too butt-hurt. Wish her the best, you have 10 playboy models begging for your dick, you hope it works out for her because that’s one less plate to have to spin, but if it doesn’t work out for her, you’re willing to make some time.

    Either the guy will be amazing and she’ll go off and have a wonderful life, which is great since you can get other girls, or within a month she’ll start finding flaws in him and remember you as the cool chill guy who didn’t get all butt-hurt jealous and extended her the offer of “feel free to txt me if it doesn’t work out” (VS not replying at all) so she doesn’t have to feel slutty or trigger her ASD by txting you to let you know she’s up for those drinks again.


    • YaReally
      on May 13, 2013 at 3:24 pm
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      Some more nuances/detail on your particular situ:

      It’s possible to get her to cancel her date with a bunch of smart AMOG’ing and DHV and all that, but there are some downsides:

      1) It fosters a scarcity mentality…if you had been with this girl a few times and were protecting your shit, that’s different, but she’s just a random you haven’t met up with yet so fuck it, who cares, it’s good to be able to let them go and build an abundance mentality and learn to not get all jealous and shit.

      2) It would be a LOT of work, and you’d basically have to throw some hail-marys that would either work, or completely sabotage any future possibility and burn the bridges so that there’s no chance of getting her in the future. You’d basically be fighting to swim up-stream against the current.

      The reason it’d be a lot of work right now is because that other guy has higher value to her than you do…that’s why she’s cancelling on you, not him. Likely she’s met him in real life already so by default he “exists” to her more than you do because he’s “real” instead of just txt, and your txts aren’t emotionally engaging/exciting enough to make up for that.

      Now if you were super high value to her, and your txts rocked her world all the time, she would either cancel on him to pursue you or you would be able to pretty effortlessly AMOG the guy and keep her from fucking him (I usually txt girls when I know they’re on their date and distract them and ask embarrassing questions about the guy lol).

      It’s just a matter of value…that’s why “gay” and “lame” right now would come off as butt-hurt. You don’t have high enough value for her to care about qualifying herself to you. If there were no other guy in the picture and she was just cancelling for something dumb, those would be fine…but you’re now in competition value-wise with this guy and he’s got a leg up on you, so the exact same stuff that would be fine/attractive if you were high-value will shoot you in the foot and make you look butt-hurt while you’re low-value.

      So this is why I recommend just saying good luck and offering an olive branch for future banging. It’s not as satisfying as tooling her, but it’s the higher % move for actually getting the lay down the road. “gay” will make her just never txt you again.

      The odds of him turning out to be a perfect guy she’s going to marry are astronomically low…more likely she’ll date him for a few weeks/months and then you’ll get a txt from her saying “hey how’s it going?” which means “I want to fuck you, please don’t bring up that other guy I’m embarrassed that I’m crawling back to you, just act cool and escalate this to us hanging out and fucking ASAP thx”. :)


    • Matthew King
      on May 13, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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      The perils of overgaming. Stock reply suicide.

      Reread: “any kind of clever reply seems very try hard.”

      And:

      We had never met and she was actually being polite in telling me up front what was going on. My gut instinct is to not reply at all, being that I’m completely indifferent to our initial plans having never met her, and her cancellation appears to be polite and not a shit test.

      Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, gameboy. But then the right response wouldn’t validate your alpha cool quotient, so you blather and over-grease the asshole for three screens.

      He’s already working with natural indifference. And yet you want him to invest his wit into a free ego-boosting attention-feed to her.

      How about … “Timing isn’t best for me either”

      Too beta gentle? Too omega creepy? Let me have it, I deserve at least six paragraphs.


      • YaReally
        on May 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm
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        “Reread: “any kind of clever reply seems very try hard.””

        Nah. That’s the guy asking for advice saying that. A guy who hasn’t approached a girl would say approaching a girl seems try hard. You just need the right clever reply that shows 1) non-judgementalism, 2) non-neediness, and 3) gives her good emotions. Stuff like “gay” or not replying at all don’t do any of those things…that doesn’t mean they can’t work, they’re just not the highest % play.

        I’m only talking about how to get the actual lay, like putting his penis inside of her vagina someday, not how to have a clever “I sure showed that bitch!” bragging story or how to protect some ePlayer “I won’t give you free ego-boosting attention!!111″ ego. If he wants the lay, handle it like I recommend with the 3 elements above.

        “so you blather and over-grease the asshole for three screens.”

        Nah, I’m just explaining it for three screens for the guy asking for advice. Because I like to help guys. And I like to help them by explaining to them why I recommend the things I recommend. So that they understand my reasoning and can link it together with their own reference experiences and game understanding. Because I’m here to actually help other guys learn game.

        “And yet you want him to invest his wit into a free ego-boosting attention-feed to her.”

        Only if he wants the lay. I’m just going by the shit-tons of experience I have in these situations. She’s not being a bitch to him, she’s being polite. You don’t punish girls who haven’t done anything wrong. Except in the bedroom, with your cock lololololz

        “How about … “Timing isn’t best for me either””

        Super duper. Won’t get him the lay. What do you think she’s going to respond to that? “What?? It’s NOT?? Okay, I’m cancelling this guy I thought could be my future husband, I need to suck your dick right NOW!!!!! :D

        No. But that is a great response for protecting your ego (“I’ll show her, I’M too busy for HER…even tho I’m the one that made the drink plans with her so it’s pretty obvious that I’m just being reactive to her”), not sparking any kind of attraction or good vibes for her to associate with you (since over the net he doesn’t have enough value compared to the real life guy for her to stress “losing” him), and it’s an excellent way to not learn anything from this situation.

        Your example is just applying “James Bond aloof game” when his value isn’t high enough for it to hook. There are situations where that would be a good move, but the one described by the OP isn’t one of them is all.

        Please continue teaching me about game from your armchair. I’m taking many notes on your eFlirts with the girls here lol


    • Sidewinder
      on May 13, 2013 at 6:10 pm
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      If I have any objective it would be to keep from creating a negative impression. She was the first to contact me online to begin with, and I’ve had enough experience online to know that she was going out of her way to keep me as a backup plan. Since we never met, I don’t take that as a negative or an indication that she is ljbf’ing me. Had we gone out once and scheduled a 2nd date that she cancelled for another guy, that would be a different story requiring more direct action. But this is obviously a guy she met before me, so I don’t think any kind of negative response would be helpful to the future possibility of putting the p in the v. The only reason I care to analyze this is because she might overcompensate to demonstrate her interest if she comes back around. It would be easy to tease her if things don’t work out with this guy and she asks about meeting up again.


      • YaReally
        on May 13, 2013 at 7:00 pm
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        “Had we gone out once and scheduled a 2nd date that she cancelled for another guy, that would be a different story requiring more direct action.”

        Yep. Totally different situation. In that situ you have more value to her and its a different game.

        “The only reason I care to analyze this is because she might overcompensate to demonstrate her interest if she comes back around.”

        This is what will happen. You’ll be starting your relationship with all the “hand” because she’s the one crawling back to you. You might not even hear from her after your txt for weeks. I’ll usually shoot a casual feeler out a month later (like sending what looks like a mass “happy valentines day” txt if there’s a holiday handy)…that way if she ditched my number she’ll have it again. But with an online girl she can find your profile again so I would just wait it out. If you don’t hear from her in a couple months, they got serious, but I’ve literally had girls who “boyfriend up” txt me like a year later freshly single lol

        “It would be easy to tease her if things don’t work out with this guy and she asks about meeting up again.”

        yep but don’t trigger her ASD or harp on the guy. Tease her a little and then pretend it never happened, the other guy didn’t exist, and push for the meetup and lay ASAP. Not just a date, her ego will be crushed from the last guy so she’ll try to make you her new Provider to show everyone that she can get a new BF, so you want to take her on a day 2 with logistics planned that will lead to sex. Cause she won’t txt you the day after she breaks up, her ego will be hurt, she’ll txt you after a couple weeks of being broken up when she’s horny as fuck lol

        Anyway let us know how it goes! Good luck!


      • cryo
        on May 14, 2013 at 6:44 am
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        Jesus Christ man, you’re devoting far too much thought to some online bitch who already has you on the backburner. Just forget it, go find hotter girls, and stay away from the “dating” frame that you’ve so obviously fallen into.

        If you absolutely have to degrade yourself for this girl, YaReally’s advice is sound, but I wouldn’t send some “text me if it doesn’t work out” bullshit, that just indicates too much availability and “I’ll be there for you” betaness.

        And don’t try to tell me this girl is worth it because she’s superhot, ain’t no online bitch that’s anything more than a 7.


        • YaReally
          on May 14, 2013 at 5:09 pm
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          “you’re devoting far too much thought to some online bitch who already has you on the backburner. Just forget it, go find hotter girls”

          Nah, nothing wrong with learning and testing stuff out to gain experience. You can’t “Next” a girl who hasn’t fucked you, that’s her Nexting YOU. :)



YaReally
on May 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm
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Virgins get too clingy too soon. And they’re shy/nervous about everything and the guy ends up having to teach them and get them to loosen up and convince them they won’t break his dick by stroking it…it’s a lot of hassle to some of us.

Some guys love that shit and like getting to be the authority and teach a girl and all that, but some guys just like chicks who know wtf they’re doing lol. Don’t take it personal, the guy is just trying not to break your heart or waste either of your time.



Mitch Cumstein
on May 13, 2013 at 5:40 pm
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There’s a girl right now who is expecting an apology from me. We’ve been on-again, off-again for the past few years because she lives in another state. So, I started dating another girl who lives in my city without telling the original girl. When she found out, I framed it as doing what I need to do, “We’ll re-evaluate when and if you move back to my city”, but she was pissed about that.

Pissed off girl is now possibly moving back to my hometown. I’m not seeing anyone seriously. My question isn’t can I get back into her pants again (I can). It’s, can an on-again, off-again relationship ever successfully become something more substantial?


  • Patriarch
    on May 13, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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    If you apologize to her you will ruin everything. Do not take her drama away from her. Imagine how she fondly tells other guys who try to get in her pants about how much of an asshole you are, and they can almost hear her voice quiver while she relives every pleasurable moment of agony you cast on her head. The worse you treat them, the more they love you.


    • Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh
      on May 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm
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      Treat ‘em ruff, get yer muff.


      • Mitch Cumstein
        on May 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm
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        Oh, I know not apologizing is rocket fuel. I’m wondering if anything long-term can be made of this. The on-again shtick is getting tired after a while.

        And HSWwSSF, I shared your pics from April 1st with some coworkers. The one guy who went with the girl on the right is pissed off at me to this day.


        • YaReally
          on May 13, 2013 at 6:47 pm
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          Don’t apologize, obviously. But you already know that.

          If you want to turn her into a GF, slowly start seeing her more than once a week. Let her slowly “win you over”. Like if you normally kick her out after sex, let her sleep over. If you normally never hang with her on Fri/sat nights, do that. If she’s never met your friends, bring her out sometime. If you’re out, shoot her a txt and head to her place earlier than booty-call hour.

          If you do it all too fast, you’ll come off as needy. If you let her slowly win you over, she invests and between that feeling of investment/winning and the oxytocin from seeing eachother more than once a week, you’ll end up with a GF.

          The bigger Qs to ask yourself are:

          1) why are you on-again off-again? Who initiates that? Her or you? Or is it a result of circumstances (she had to move away etc)? Is this a relationship you WANT more involvement in or is it going to be too much drama?

          2) do you want her as a GF? Or do you want to keep things casual fuckbuddy style but just make things more “secure” (ie – a long-term/reliable fuckbuddy that’s basically only fucking you but still doesn’t do girlfriend stuff)? Or do you want a GF who lets you bang other girls on the side (might be too late for that option)?

          Be aware that the more she gets attached to you the sooner the “ultimatum” of “I can’t see you anymore if you keep banging other girls, I love you too much to share you” comes knocking on your door lol

          But ya, you can make it work.


          • YaReally
            on May 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm
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            Oh ya no you’re good then. Easy peasy, I thought it was going to be a complicated drama-filled situation lol

            When she’s up encourage her to check out that job. She’ll know that’s a hint but if that doesn’t seem like enough of a hint, flat out tell her alpha style that you want her and want her to get that job so you can be together again. You guys have a history so you confessing your intent isn’t the same as if you had never dated before and were needy/desperate. You’ll be providing her RELIEF, telling her “these other girls never mattered, I want YOU.”

            She’s just a bit insecure/unsure of where you stand because she knows the guy SHE was with didn’t mean shit to her but she doesn’t know if the girl you were with “stole” you or not so she doesn’t know where she stands with you…which would be fine in other situations but in this one where she’d have to uproot her life to chase you and you have limited face-time to make your intentions known, go ahead and play your cards. She’s probably even holding back some cards because she isn’t sure if its safe to reveal them yet but her jealousy over the other girl and even mentioning there’s a job there tells you she wants you.

            A girl’s biggest fear is that you’ll replace her. They care more about you getting feelings for another girl than sticking your dick in one. If you want to really solidify it or she hassles you about the other girl you can drop stuff like “well I’m a man, I couldn’t just not have sex like your weird BF lol but hanging out with other girls just made me realize that they’re not you and that I don’t have the same connection with them that we’ve always had. Honestly, seeing other girls just made me miss you, but I didn’t want you to uproot your life for me.” She’ll be blowing the interviewer’s dick trying to get that job after that speech…although that may be counterproductive. Lol

            Anyway it’s a deal from there. Then just don’t become a beta bitch in your relationship lol. It’s fine to let a girl know you want/love her, you just have to do it on your terms and in an alpha way and not let her become the center of your universe.

            Good luck, hope it works out! :)


          • YaReally
            on May 14, 2013 at 5:44 pm
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            @Mitch

            lol having tried it unsuccessfully before is an important detail.

            Still tho, this time around she’s got more jealousy because she knows if she doesn’t jump on board you’ll find a new girl (vs if you had no options and she knew you’d wait around).

            But I would change my answer to not go as balls to the wall with admitting anything because you’ve done it before so she already knows that stuff. I thought she might not have a clue…so you can probably play it cool instead and just let her decide to move.

            On your end I would focus on leaving it open ended, like “ya the other chick was cool but I dunno, you and I feel different to me…” And trail off and don’t come to any conclusions. Let her feel like she still has a little convincing to do instead of what I said earlier.

            On your end just try to focus on “change her mood, not her mind”. Don’t try to convince her with how much her job pays or how convenient blah blah or promise you’ll blah blah…none of that really matters…she’d move there to be a janitor if she was attracted enough. So focus on blowing her mind emotionally while she’s up. I wouldn’t ignore her, personally, I would just focus on pushing her thru a bunch of feelings and leaving her hanging on an open-ended feeling where she feels like if she moves she can resolve/close that and solve that puzzle.

            By pulling away before, after you admitted shit, she demonstrated that she wants a bit of chase and uncertainty and to work for it. That’s why I say it’s an important detail lol she’s giving you a guide of “I want to win you over but not TOO quickly, I need some drama in my life and some emotional roller coaster to make it worth it”

            This could be either because of her personality or just a byproduct of your on/off relationship where she’s just not used to NOT having some anxiety about the two of you so she expects/needs that to feel comfortable. Like if someone you knew who was abusive was suddenly pleasant and happy you’d be weirded out because even tho that’s a better situ its not what’s familiar and it’s almost a relief when they snap again.

            Anyway, so change my advice to: see her, let her know you dig her but don’t give her any conclusions or tell her to move there, and just take her on an emotional rollercoaster while she’s up (even giving her some bad emotions are fine). Avoid trying to logically convince her to move

            Good luck again and thanks for the super gay award lol



Great Scenes Of Game In The Movies: Tony Montana Game

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Amanjaw Marcuntte
on May 9, 2013 at 10:02 am
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Rumor has it they’re planning a remake. I can’t imagine any of today’s Hollywood nancyboys filling Pacino’s shoes. Christian Bale would be tolerable but I’m bracing myself for a Shia LaBoeuf shitfest.


  • Adam
    on May 9, 2013 at 10:09 am
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    http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/paul-attanasio-to-rewrite-universals-scarface-remake/

    I’m guessing they’re gonna go with the Mexican/cartels angle. It’d be fresh if the new Scarface is Asian, though:

    http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3526519


    • Nicko
      on May 10, 2013 at 2:23 am
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      No it wouldn’t.

      Nobody is inspired by beta Asians.

      I’d laugh if the new scarface is sub-continent Indian though.


      • Adam
        on May 10, 2013 at 11:03 am
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        You clearly haven’t heard of the Triads or Yakuza. Asian-Americans are super beta. But Asians from Asia are patriarchal as fuck.


        • YaReally
          on May 10, 2013 at 11:12 am
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          There are some badass alpha Asians out there.

          One of my social circles has a bunch of Asians in it…some of them slay it with chicks (even white/brown/etc. chicks) and some of them I’m pretty sure have never seen a vagina outside of porn.

          The difference between the two types is their alpha attitudes/sub-communications/confidence. It’s plain as day to see in action.


          • YaReally
            on May 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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            @Adam

            I agree and see the same thing around me. The legit badass alpha player Asians (vs the lame gangsta wannabe ones who talk a big game but can’t actually get pussy and spend their time gang-fighting instead) are rare, but they pull high quality ass. Then on the flipside the rest of them aren’t just beta but like THE lowest most extreme form of beta you could be. It’s painful.

            Also looks-wise it’s definitely not the better looking Asians pulling ass, it’s the outgoing social flirty non-sexually-repressed ones. I actually feel bad for Asian guys because a lot of their culture drills extremely beta mindsets/behaviors into them from birth. They usually have a ton of unwiring and baggage to do before they can fix their shit.

            I know brown guys who are the same way. Either kill it or beta. I think these two races end up with more polarity because in North America the girls won’t give them the time of day if they can’t step up since being Asian/East Indian is generally considered a handicap, so they’re forced to either go at it full-tilt and own it, or accept their obscurity and lack of sex life…whereas a white guy ranges anywhere from super beta to super alpha in NA because we don’t start from a “deficit”.

            As I’ve said before tho, I don’t consider “it’s harder” to be a bad thing. Forces you to work harder and be better than the other guys. It’s all a matter of perspective.


        • Nicko
          on May 11, 2013 at 2:50 am
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          Yes they are hardcore alpha in their own countries…

          But when they are in western countries, where they are competing against white and black men who are physically more dominant and imposing, physiologically this has a massive effect on their mentality and their manhood.

          This is even made worse when hardly anyone else, other than Asian chicks, find them attractive. This KOs their confidence down to the ground.


          • YaReally
            on May 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm
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            Nah, it’s more complicated than that.



cryo
on May 9, 2013 at 11:33 am
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The Connery Bond films are the best example of aloof alpha in action. Connery is the embodiment of amused mastery, whether he’s throwing a goon into a volcano or chucking a blonde into the sheets. Also, pay attention to the way he generally disregards the safety of his female counterparts. White Knight he was not.


  • Scray
    on May 9, 2013 at 2:35 pm
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    Yeah…but I think the difference is that James Bond, without doing anything, already conveys a lot of value vs. Tony Montana who is kind of a runty little cuban guy…so he has to sacrifice some aloofness while at the same time ramping up the overconfidence.

    It just seems like the less value you can get away with passively demonstrating — because of being ugly, little, bad style, whatever, etc. — the more of that overconfidence you have to project. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still bad at actually -doing- it (although I do plan on dropping that Montana line this weekend if I can remember and then reporting in)…but it seems like the path is becoming clear.

    Like…Kenny Powers would be at the extreme of this.

    lol talk about an unshakeable frame


    • YaReally
      on May 9, 2013 at 6:05 pm
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      Yep you’re on the right track. There’s a reason 5’9″ pale ginger nasally voiced skinny-ass balding Tyler doesn’t go to the club and just post-up at the bar waiting for girls to come to him. He has to get in their face and demonstrate his value and force them to notice.

      In the end this is better, because the guy who can passively post-up 1) will probably lose his looks/money/etc one day down the road and it will cripple his results because his entire worth is based on his external attributes, and 2) he never has to learn how to deal with challenge so he can get the girl as long as the planets align for him but a guy with game and charisma can easily swoop in and take her off him because he’s used to being passive and can’t handle competing with someone who’s been forced to game actively.

      It’s like the guy born rich is likely going to be shittier at managing a financial budget than the guy born poor. He simply hasn’t had to develop that skillset and hopefully he’s never in a situation where he needs to be careful with money because he won’t be able to handle it.

      I’m currently gaming in a city where all the guys at the high-end places I go to are better looking than me, richer than me, have expensive cars condos etc, and all think they have amazing pickup skills because they watched Keys to the VIP a few times. And we’re competing for dolled up hotties looking for rich successful guys. So I can’t sit back and be James Bond and expect girls to chase me. I have to get in their face and make them emotionally react to me in a way that these guys are too scared to do.



Georgia Boy
on May 9, 2013 at 3:12 pm
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@Heartiste Speaking of azzholes, do you think game-aware men are destined to reclaim the word creep? An Amanjaw article on Slate right before Sanford won, amounted to “Creepy creepy creepy he’s creepy!” We’ve talked a good deal about what that word really means, now that it’s applied to men too dweeby to have any hope of being perceived as dangerous. My theory now is it’s the generalized gender hate word, same as n!gger and f@ggot. Liberals respond that it couldn’t be equivalent because white het men are privileged, and my response is in the SMP, women ARE usually the privileged. It’s the female rub your superior status in his face word. Like other such words, eventually the target responds by embracing it. The only requirement to be a creep is be a sexual and forward man, so I’ll be one.
I think I’m going to field test this. (When I get a chance. Sh!t’s been crazy at work.)


  • YaReally
    on May 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm
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    I tell girls I’m creepy all the time. I can’t imagine taking offense to it.


    • Georgia Boy
      on May 9, 2013 at 9:14 pm
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      I mightve known. Note to self, if a girl pulls that word out on me, respond same as I do to asshole: Why thank you. (For all that, it doesn’t happen often though.)


      • YaReally
        on May 9, 2013 at 10:19 pm
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        Use good ol’ Agree & Amplify.

        her: “where are your friends?”

        me: “I don’t have any. I’m here alone like a creeper, leering at girls with my old creepy eyes. You shouldn’t even be talking to me or I’ll end up trying to have sex with you and you’ll end up regretting it in the morning because it’ll only last 30 seconds since I have a tiny penis.”

        her: “:O :O omg who ARE you????”

        her: “(dancing in front of me) why aren’t you dancing?”

        me: “I prefer to just lean over the edge of the dance floor like a creepy old man at a strip club. Now dance for me so I can stare at your bum with my creepy eyes.”

        her: “don’t say that, that’s creepy!!”

        me: “shit THAT’S not creepy. Creepy would be if I told you I was going to rub one out tonight while I think of you. Just kidding, I’ll rub two out. Technically that’s a compliment. See? Now the shit I said before doesn’t seem so bad, does it?”

        her: “my friend says you’re creepy.”

        me: “your friend is right. You shouldn’t even be talking to me or I’ll lure you into my windowless white van later by telling you I have candy in it, so I can take advantage of you. Don’t worry, it’ll all be over in 30 seconds. You won’t even remember it once all the roofies kick in.”

        I just riff off it and take it to a ridiculous place. I do this all with a deadpan expression and straight voice because I have a Ryan Reynolds vibe of “I think he’s being sarcastic, but I’m not sure if he’s just fucking with me or not…?” and I’ve done it enough to know that it makes them curious/attracted and diffuses the insult, so I 100% have no fear of legitimately creeping them out. That’s not an outcome that can happen, in my mind.

        They freeze up because they don’t expect me to steamroll them like that so they aren’t prepared. They were expecting a defensive “N-no I’m not, why am I creepy?? I’m not, I swear!!” reaction.

        You might say “but YaReally, you’re putting in too much effort…the alpha thing to do would be to just stare at her and raise an eyebrow until she begs for forgiveness and sucks your cock!”

        And that strategy can totally work, I’ve used it when I’m not in a chatty mood. But personally I view pickup as a way of demonstrating your personality and your congruence to it. So while raising an eyebrow might shut her up, when I riff a bit I’m setting extremely sexual frames about taking advantage of her, masturbating to her, using her for sex in a van (rape fantasies), talking about my penis, etc.

        A raised eyebrow shuts her up, but I look at it as responding with a jab VS my method which is to compact a bunch of principles (future projection, innuendo, roleplay, non-judgement, etc) into one massive counter-punch knockout.

        …also don’t do any of this if you’re legitimately creepy lol I know I’m not creepy because I have thousands of reference experiences of being awesome and people liking me when they meet me and girls liking me, so I know if a girl says it it’s just a shit-test.

        If you’re just starting out, it’s possible that you ARE legitimately creepy, in which case you’ll have to fix that first. Field experience will tell you whether you’re creepy or not…if you get called it and you legitimately can’t figure out, in analyzing your Field Reports, where you did something creepy, and you’ve worked on your grooming style etc, then you’re probably not actually creepy. If you get called it a lot and you’re still wearing shit clothes or have shit body language or are trying to go direct when you don’t really understand basic game or you’re brainwashed by RSD to “not give a fuck what anyone thinks” without understanding what that actually means, then you’re probably creepy.



YaReally
on May 9, 2013 at 5:54 pm
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For the guys asking “but he got mad at the banana boat thing!!” Alphas don’t all have “no emotion” like the James Bond fantasy. They’re often extremely passionate/emotional about things that are important to them. It’s part of what pushes the girl through an emotional rollercoaster around them. It’s just that those things that are important to them are important to THEM…they’re not “this girl likes Justin beiber so now he’s important to me too so hopefully she likes me!!” This is why you can talk about world of Warcraft and shit with girls and get attraction. Tyler talks about nutrition and Eckhart Tolle with girls. Passion is good.

Now the nuance there is that if you get banana boat butthurt and storm off calling her a lesbian like the guy in the first clip, you’re insecure and shitty. She found a weak point and dug in it and it caved your paper tiger confidence. But if you can get butthurt but use it to keep going unphased believing you WILL turn things around, that’s badass and implies good things about you. Ya Tony gets butt-hurt, but it’s more about what he does afterward that’s important.

Guys picture pickup as being this flawless smooth James Bond thing where every response is perfect and flawless and the girl doesn’t shit-test them at all and everything they say hits perfectly. The reality is pickup is messy and chaotic and you’ll fuck up a bunch…but how you handle fucking up and understanding that it’s never “over” is the important part.

On another note: Tony is basically doing the thing I’ve describe that I do where he says something so offensive and impossible to ignore that she can’t NOT respond to it. She HAS to give him her attention and she won’t have a prepared response to it because he’s saying something that throws her off her balance and she instinctively shit-tests him, which allows him to pass her shit-test (“NOW you’re talking to me”), which builds attraction.

Julien from RSD runs this style of game and dissects it in his videos a bunch if you want to mess with the nuances of it. The pro is that it builds attraction fast, the con is that it’s a surface-level emotional attraction and ideally for a solid “she’ll come back for seconds” hookup you’d want to have some comfort in there but switching gears to comfort can kill that rollercoaster ride so it can be tricky.

Anyway here’s a dude from Keys to the VIP running ballsy direct passionate Italian dude game that’s similar to Tony:


  • yeahokcool
    on May 10, 2013 at 9:29 am
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    this is very good shit, ya. one of the things i try to tell my friends who don’t know “game” is that you’ve got to completely overhaul the way you think about yourself and the world before you’re going to “get” girls. unfortunately, many dudes (including, seemingly, most of the dudes here) think that game is what feminists claim it is: a trick, a ploy, a method to convince girls to sleep with you. this should be as far away from your frame as possible.

    i am thoroughly convinced that i am superior to everyone around me and my life reflects that reality. furthermore, i am never “on” or “off” when it comes to “game.” this isn’t a video game or a paint-by-numbers deal. i don’t realize “oh, here is an opportunity to practice game!” if you talk the talk, well then, as they say, walk around like an entitled, arrogant asshole who makes everyone around you laugh and have fun ALL THE TIME.

    point being, i get mad all the time. i act outrageous. i insult people. i make crude sexual jokes. i also tell funny stories and love to hold court. regardless of how i act, i never apologize for any of it and never back down. PEOPLE (which, despite what many nerds may suggest, includes womenfolk) are just astounded when they come across someone that is so clearly having a great time not playing by society’s dumb rules. they want to do that too, but they’re too afraid. girls, in particular, are looking for someone to come into their lives and save them from tedium. BE THAT MAN. :)


    • YaReally
      on May 10, 2013 at 9:45 am
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      Field experience talkin’ right here. Good stuff. I agree 100%.

      “i am thoroughly convinced that i am superior to everyone around me and my life reflects that reality”

      yep. This is why I don’t worry about my girls cheating on me. They may bail on our hooking up to pursue a guy who’s offering commitment/monogamy because they know I won’t give them that, but when they’re fucking me they don’t WANT to fuck other guys because in my mind (and thus theirs, since “what you feel, she feels”) I’m better than every other guy she could meet.

      “furthermore, i am never “on” or “off” when it comes to “game.” this isn’t a video game or a paint-by-numbers deal.”

      Yep. To paraphrase Fight Club: this is not a seminar. It’s not a weekend retreat. This is your life.

      “someone that is so clearly having a great time not playing by society’s dumb rules. they want to do that too, but they’re too afraid. girls, in particular, are looking for someone to come into their lives and save them from tedium.”

      This. Big time. Again I refer to this:

      The dancing guy is an extreme example, but the same principle applies on in much smaller scale situations, like unapologetically turning the conversation sexual with a girl who seems like the innocent Good Girl type, but who opens up and unleashes her sexual side because you’ve set the precedent that “this is what we’re doing now, we’re being sexual. It’s okay, I won’t judge you. Join me, let’s see the REAL you.”


      • Lily
        on May 10, 2013 at 1:31 pm
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        “The dancing guy is an extreme example, but the same principle applies on in much smaller scale situations,”

        In other words, be a clown? :D

        Seriously, I get what you’re trying to say, but it doesn’t always work this way. It depends; sometimes people join you and sometimes they don’t. Generally, the dumber your movement and the more mistaken you are, the more people join you – Marxism, Nazism, feminism, liberalism, etc….it’s too easy to brainwash, incite to violence, preach in favor of stupid and debouched behavior, and misinform…..so I’m not surprised that you can manipulate your bar sluts with clownishness, fast talking, and sexual innuendo. Women are easily lead, remember?


        • yeahokcool
          on May 10, 2013 at 4:00 pm
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          @lily.

          but, seriously, you’re completely wrong. just because you keep insisting that this shit only works on barsluts doesn’t make it true. please stop saying this.

          let me put this in terms that you can understand. how educated are you, lily? what is your profession? i’ve made several references to my education and my profession. in addition to those things, i am a member of an invite-only, elite, oldboys club (no liberals or coloreds allowed!). i am all the shit that rich, white people want to be.

          but here’s the most important point about all that bragging – i know my life wouldn’t change in the slightest re: my interactions with women if i lost all the BULLSHIT that i have accumulated. why? well, i figured out a long time ago that women don’t give a fuck about my education, my job, my club, or any of that other shit. they just want to feel alive and i’m a firebreathinglifedragon. indeed, i don’t even bring that shit up when i meet women. i don’t need to. my magnetic personality and charm is all they need, babe.

          furthermore, the shit that i do works on barsluts, it works on “fancy” women, and every other kind of woman. fat, thin, ugly, beautiful, average, etc. in fact, you know what else? my approach maybe works moreso on fancy women because they are bored as fuck as their husbands/boyfriends are exceptional lame.

          did you even read what YR and I wrote? this isn’t about an act. this is about actually becoming/being the man. the master of of the universe. that isn’t being a clown. that is being a boss.

          BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM


          • YaReally
            on May 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm
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            @Matt

            “Rather, the best proof of your bona fides is how you conduct yourself”

            Well I could post pics/vids of girls sucking my dick, but it violates my ethical boundaries, and we all know you’d just rather the girl was cropped out of the pic so you could rub one out to my throbbing man-meat anyway.

            “Then why are you slumming for barsluts with their panties already showing?”

            Because they look like this, duh:

            http://goo.gl/Inr9C

            A girl will look the hottest in her life on 1) her wedding day, and 2) a night out at the club.

            “Let’s not talk about the low hanging fruit”

            You couldn’t even approach them, let alone attract them, let alone handle all the obstacles that would prevent you from taking them home, let alone get through all their ASD/LMR, let alone have them come back for seconds. When you say things like this, like anyone can just walk into a club, pull some smokin’ hottie away from her friends and take her home because she’s “low hanging fruit”, you’re just showing that you are so far removed from going out and being around hot girls that you can’t even comprehend what doing it entails. You’re relying on a cartoon stereotype of how it works because you have no concept of how it really works.

            And anyone who goes out regularly can tell from how you write. Don’t lecture guys who go out, it makes us embarrassed for you. I’m sure way back in your youth you got hammered and “totally scored bro” with some average-at-best puking-in-the-bathroom slutty 5 at a bar, but we’re aiming for higher than that.

            “But others need to be disrobed thread by thread, a sharp blade slowly along the seam, button pop, button pop … button pop. The most feminine women are reticent, they plead with their eyes while grace commands every other part of them to be defensive.”

            No shit. We can move slow when we need to. Your problem is you read a couple articles on game, probably some RSD shit that encourages guys to go up and be direct, so your vision of what we look like is, again, a cartoon stereotype. You picture us just running up with our pants down dick-slapping drunk girls until a slutty one sucks us off in the bathroom.

            You are so far removed from having any kind of experience at pickup that you can’t comprehend how we can adapt our game to the girl. You’re like a guy who thinks race-car drivers all just floor the gas the entire race because going fast = winning. There are so many nuances going on that a guy who’s never driven a race-car simply can’t wrap his limited mind around.

            Again, all you do is show how irrelevant you are when you lecture about this stuff. Just quit giving advice in this area. It’s brutal.

            “Tell me about the tough cases that have to go to trial, not the summary judgments and plea bargains.”

            Blah blah blah. We deal with that shit all the time. We just don’t talk about it because any guy who goes out regularly collects enough experience with those situations to not need us to harp on it. Most of those cases that “go to trial” go to trail for you because you aren’t attractive to women (except for your eHarem on here lol) and don’t have any game in real life.

            You are basically saying “ya, sure, you understand how to drive a Formula 1 car, you just floor the gas the whole way it’s easy anyone can do THAT, but let’s see you drive a run-down Volkswagon down a city street with traffic laws and other cars…now THAT’S a real challenge that you simpletons could never handle.” Like, you don’t even have enough experience to understand how retarded your arguments sound. It’s fascinating in a way, but sad too, like watching a homeless guy ranting on a street corner about the evils of money.


          • YaReally
            on May 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm
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            @yeahokcool

            My only real issue with Matt is that I know the majority of newbies are looking for actual help when they Google for sites like this, but they haven’t been out enough to gain enough reference experiences to understand how blatantly full of shit he is. And Matt talks a big game like he’s an authority figure because he believes his own bullshit and I assume he’s been around the Manosphere with no one calling him out on it for years (because until recently no one commenting really went out regularly enough to be able to call him out on it).

            So I worry that newbies will go “well this guy certainly seems sure of himself!” because they have weak frames compared to Matt’s delusions, and end up not working on improving their lives, or assuming that all the “advanced concepts” (according to Matt lol) are too far beyond their abilities to grasp and wind up getting discouraged and giving up…not realizing that this stuff is all pretty simple as long as you go out and apply it regularly. Look how much progress Scray has made in just a few months.

            That’s why I don’t care when Matt rants about random shit that isn’t game related…but when he goes off about actual pickup advice or laughably lectures the guys who DO go out, it’s like dude, shhh, you’re just going to fuck guys up, and now I’m going to have to call you out on it, yet again, so that guys reading your shit don’t actually give you any kind of authority on a subject you don’t know anything about.

            Matt can go jack off onto his own face in a public park if he wants, I don’t care, that’s not hurting anyone. But there are guys lurking on this blog who are hoping to fix their lives. I just don’t think it’s cool of Matt to actively fuck them up for the sake of stroking his own massive ego.


        • YaReally
          on May 10, 2013 at 7:36 pm
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          lol when you post, all you do is reinforce the wisdom that men should never listen to women when it comes to attraction/seduction.

          Why are you here again?


  • Cragsleeper
    on May 10, 2013 at 9:30 am
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    The paragraph on messing up and fighting through that hit home. Thanks for that. I have trouble maintaining composure when I misstep because I’m trying too hard to be a perfectionist. A lot of that comes from too many of the talented guys here portraying things like they never mess anything up – hell maybe some of them don’t – but it makes me panic when I do thinking I’ve definitely blown it, and looking back I’m positive I’ve bailed on a couple girls who I really still had a chance with.


    • YaReally
      on May 10, 2013 at 10:06 am
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      “A lot of that comes from too many of the talented guys here portraying things like they never mess anything up”

      Everyone fucks up. We’ll get the occasional flawless pickup, but a ton of pickup, especially when you’re starting out, is about recovering from fucking up. The prob is most new guys have an extremely low threshold for what they consider fucking up…they stumble over a couple words, or say something that makes her frown, or fail a shit-test, etc. and go “fuck it, it’s over ahhhhh!!!” and run away lol

      Your mentality will end up holding you back down the road, you’ll pass up opportunities to approach because your brain will say “but she’s with her friends” or “but your hair isn’t perfect today” or “let’s just wait till she quits walking around first” etc. We’ve all been there. :)

      Try going up and PURPOSELY fucking up. Like make it a game with your buddies to see who can get slapped by a girl first. You’ll be surprised how much a girl can “hate” you or think you’re a “loser” and still turn it around into attraction.

      One exercise I do (often at the start of the night) for the fuck of it is approaching with a purposely sabotaging myself with an offensive/horrible opener that SHOULD get me blown out and instantly makes the girl hate or dislike me off the bat…and then trying to turn it around and save the set. Spend a few months doing this, and learning how to “change her mood, not her mind” and hold your frame etc., and you’ll have weirded out a ton of chicks at the start (lol) but you’ll learn some useful shit about how hard it is to really “fail” and gain a lot of reference experience that things are rarely as bad as your brain tells you they are in the moment.

      Julien from RSD on rejections simply being “unfinished business”:

      Here’s Todd from RSD talking about pickup being messy:


  • YaReally
    on May 10, 2013 at 10:10 am
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    On this note: “Tony is basically doing the thing I’ve describe that I do where he says something so offensive and impossible to ignore that she can’t NOT respond to it.”

    Here’s Julien breaking some of this method down. The boxer letting an opening slip in their defense is basically what Tony’s doing (and what I do). The 8+ girls won’t hand their attention to everyone who wants it or they wouldn’t make it through their day…create a good emotion or a bad one you can recover from, anything is better than creating NO emotion (asexual beta friendzone shit):



Scientific Evidence That Chicks Dig Aloof Assholes

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Hung One On You
on May 8, 2013 at 8:35 am
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This is why my first date strategy (which has been hammered on this blog by the commentors) of not touching, not talking about the next date, keeping it short and then bailing within 2 hours and not talking about seeing them again never fails me. I keep the tab under 20 bucks and then split. Then the next time i see them the panites are soaking wet. I think i bat over 85% incorporating this strategy.

It’s almost like i have to quasi reject the bitch, before she lets me fuck her. In fact, the hotter she is, the more important it is that i show 0% interest in banging her.


  • Mel Gibson
    on May 8, 2013 at 9:37 am
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    Interesting, Hung One On You.

    To clarify – I assume you meet her instead of picking her up (less effort)? And when you leave, there’s no kiss or hug?


    • Hung One On You
      on May 8, 2013 at 12:07 pm
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      On the first date….nothing. I usually give them a hug at the end. But no touch, nothing on first meet up. I keep it light and funny. Sprinkle a few insults in. Usually I have a hunch on how things are going if they have a second drink. I never finish my drink before them to see if they order a second drink when the bartender comes around. If they order a second drink, i know i’m banging them within the next 2 dates. Rarely has a girl ordered a second drink and i don’t bang. So when they ask me if i want a second drink i reluctantly act like i want one….then usually by this point they have touched me…i don’t touch back…just keep it cool and funny.

      Next date we do drinks again but at a nice place…usually i get a the full make out by the end of the date. I can push for sex if i want, but i usually lay back and then the third date i pull the home dinner move and we bang. In the summer time i protray it as “Grilling Out” so it lowers their worry. I’ve done this formula quite a few times. It is a little longer time period then most advocate for, but i’ve found that when i push too quickly, i can get the sex, but it gets tough to keep them around long term because they get wigged out about banging right away.

      But if i wait three to four dates to bang, i usually have them on the rope for a solid 3 to 5 months before they start pressuring me about committment….at which point they get pissed and ditch me or i can string it out for a little while longer.


      • YaReally
        on May 10, 2013 at 11:00 am
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        “but i’ve found that when i push too quickly, i can get the sex, but it gets tough to keep them around long term because they get wigged out about banging right away.”

        For the record, this is a fixable thing, if you want to fix it. You’re fucking up somewhere in comfort/rapport and/or in handling Buyer’s Remorse after sex. It wouldn’t take a lot of work to solidify this part of your game so you were able to convert fast lays into longer-term relationships.

        But if what you’re doing works for you, and you’re fine with the pace of it, then fuck it, keep it up. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and all that lol


  • earl
    on May 8, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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    I’ve read that strategy from Thomas Hodge’s “The System”. It’s more geared towards finding a girl who is relationship material…but a lot of what is said here is the same stuff.

    The other part is not contacting them for at least 5-9 days after the first date.

    What happens is….you figure out within one date whether they dig you…or not. It puts you as the qualifier and saves time and money.

    If they do dig you then kiss them on the second date.

    I can tell you I’ve done this quite a bit and you will get a lot of women to flake out on you…this filters out a lot of bad ones.


    • Matthew King
      on May 9, 2013 at 6:26 am
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      Mike: So how long do I wait to call?

      Trent: A day.

      Mike: Tomorrow.

      Sue: Tomorrow, then a day.

      Trent: Yeah.

      Mike: So two days?

      Trent: Yeah, I guess you could call it that, two days.

      Sue: Definitely, two days is like industry standard.

      Trent: You know I used to wait two days to call anybody, but now it’s like everyone in town waits two days. So I think three days is kind of money. What do you think?

      Sue: Yeah, but two’s enough not to look anxious.

      Trent: Yeah, two’s enough not to look anxious. But I think three days is kind of money. You know because you…

      Mike: Yeah, but you know what, maybe I’ll wait 3 weeks. How’s that? And tell her I was cleaning out my wallet and I just happened to run into her number.

      Charles: Then ask her where you met her.

      Mike: Yeah, I’ll ask her where I met her. I don’t remember. What does she look like? And then I’ll asked if we fucked. Is that… would that be… T, would that be the money?

      Trent: You know what. Ha ha ha Mike, laugh all you want but if you call too soon you might scare off a nice baby who’s ready to party.

      Mike: Well how long are you guys gonna wait to call your babies?

      Trent, Sue: Six days.


      • Lily
        on May 9, 2013 at 1:07 pm
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        Are you getting bored?


        • Matthew King
          on May 9, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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          Being bored is an insult oneself. I amuse the hell out of me.

          I am experiencing a tipping point here, though. Law of diminishing returns. Not many people saluting what I run up the flagpole. Which is a condemnation of them more than me. C’est la internet. I don’t care to devote many more resources to this mini-enterprise.

          Flirting is interesting and entertaining to discuss, but it’s not worth microdocumenting. Should have evolved by now into something I could better sink my teeth into. But they’re mostly just faking it, trying to transfer real-world skills into a comprehensive philosophy. Epic failure looms. It’s a beautiful fetus of a movement on the cusp of bloody tragic miscarriage.

          Matt


          • YaReally
            on May 10, 2013 at 11:02 am
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            lol. Soon as 2 + 2 realizes it SHOULD be 5, everyone will understand that I’m a mathematical genius!


          • YaReally
            on May 11, 2013 at 6:22 am
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            @Matt

            “you cannot comprehend what I do.”

            I don’t see how I would have trouble comprehending “sitting in a basement, friendless, scarfing down potato chips while doing a daily round of swooping across the internet claiming superiority over guys living way more interesting lives, followed by rubbing one out to furry porn and trying to remember what a vagina feels like”.


          • YaReally
            on May 11, 2013 at 3:30 pm
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            @Matt

            Wow it’s like you’re inside my mind!! lololol



Alpha Assessment: Tinder Love Edition

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Greg Damis-Wulff
on May 7, 2013 at 1:35 pm
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Hey guys, original asker here.

Great replies CH and J-Style especially. Thank you. Having never participated in the site (or any site), I got antsy yesterday and replied/busted with:

(8:21pm, in rapid suggestion):

That hilarious

*That’s

You’re like the homeless ppl at bars/restaurants who sell flowers!

HER (12:21am):
Hmmmm not exactly but sure

Since I’ve said something even more ridiculous, and she’s basically agreed both times, I’m wondering if I just go apeshit and heighten further, or switch gears.
I especially liked CH’s, ““Tell you what. I’ll buy your apt if you buy me a drink.” and feel like I could just say that next. Or do I go bigger?
One thought I had was just riffing as the character I created (aka: her):

“I ain’t here to meet a mannn, I’m here fer biznissssss!”

“Ma’am, you just shit on the floor. I’m calling the police. Also, why is there a tooth in your stool?”

[but this seems like it's not really building, and clinging that long to a
successful (or at least complied-to) premise this early smacks of try-hard to me. Would probs leave the tooth joke out for brevity's sake.]

Thanks again

Here’s our the whole convo/sitch thus far, in one place (Sitch: On Tinder, this hot, kinda snobby-seeming 27yo (I’m 28) chick’s info is:

“Not interested in love but if you want to sell or buy apartment… I can be your tinder gal “
We match up, I wait/forget a couple days and message): :

“So wait, you sell only apt’s to guys you think are cute?”

HER 15mins later (2:30 today):

“Ha it’s a joke but w truth, not on this thing to find men so might as well make it a business transaction.”

ME(8:21pm, in rapid succession):

That hilarious

*That’s

You’re like the homeless ppl at bars/restaurants who sell flowers!

HER (12:21am):
Hmmmm not exactly but sure


  • Matthew King
    on May 8, 2013 at 9:20 am
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    “Not interested in love but if you want to sell or buy apartment… I can be your tinder gal :) .”

    We match up, I wait/forget a couple days and message:

    “Rough market, huh?”

    “I love it. Go where the business is.”

    “New definition of viral marketing.”

    “How much of your clientele is married men treating an appointment with you like a date?”

    “What’s your agency fee?”

    “Are you a full service realtor?”

    “What do you have for a single guy who just got a salary bump?”

    “Thinking about upgrading to a view. Anything near the sororities?”

    “Are you cash up-front, or do I pay at the closing?”

    “Let’s make this happen. Send me pix/stats of what’s for sale.”

    [i.e., riff off the subtle implication that she is a real estate whore ("Do you take credit cards at closing, or do I leave cash on the dresser?"), depending how much she buys into the tease. Increase transparency of double entendres according to buying temperature but preserve plausible deniability. The art of flirting without flirting. When face-to-face, make fun of her/shame her for buying into it. Deadpan moral outrage.]

    Matt


    • pulsotic
      on May 8, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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      You are a true keyboard jockey. It’s great in theory but if you had any interactions with women online then you’d know that most of your suggestions would result in the woman not getting the joke and proceeding as if you were trying to actually talk about an apartment.


      • Matthew King
        on May 8, 2013 at 3:49 pm
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        D’oh. You mean you’re supposed to interact with women and try this stuff on them? I must have skipped that Real Social Dynamics CD.

        Well: what do you got, besides a pissy little harrumph and really rad screen name? I missed your suggestions.

        Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach. Those who can do neither, criticize.

        This stuff works for me. What else can I say? Do you think I’m making wild guesses here? No wonder tools like you declare that all women are trash. The easy cooze at your level are. Just because you don’t get it doesn’t mean that it’s above women’s heads. It might mean that you’re sofa king we Todd Ed.

        I don’t doubt that a keyboard jockey to a keyboard jockey who calls himself “PULSOTIC” would have trouble pulling it off. Go back to your mystery method flow charts and street magic and big fish stories.

        “The woman not getting the joke” is part of the play, you insufferable scrotal rash. But I’m open to your advice. What would be the Pulsotic Power Move™ in this case?

        Matt


        • YaReally
          on May 8, 2013 at 10:40 pm
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          Seriously tho, your replies were terrible. Stick to making fun of us instead of giving game advice lol it’s painful.


          • YaReally
            on May 10, 2013 at 7:53 am
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            @Matt

            The problem with your responses is they’re all either letting her run the frame (“agency fee” “rough market” etc.), try-hard bragging (“salary bump”), or asexual (“agency fee”, “viral marketing”, etc.). Your responses might get a reply at best. They won’t get her to suck your dick. I know you have vast ePlaya experience getting replies from the girls on the Chateau but while I know chatting online with girls makes you feel like a super-pimp, it doesn’t translate into actually pulling ass in real life.

            Actually this one: “How much of your clientele is married men treating an appointment with you like a date?” isn’t bad. It’s a slight AMOG on other guys, and shows an awareness of her reality. I do a lot of comparing myself to the creepers online when I have to run online game, because the girls are being bombarded with shitty messages from guys and it shows you “get it” when you show you understand what her online experience is like. The rest are no good though.

            If it makes you feel better, I’m not a big fan of CH’s responses either, they all either let her set the frame (anything playing into the roleplay she’s set of buyer/seller, which is already a frame where you’re approaching from a place of lower value and she has the “goods” you’re hoping to get), or are too soon in the interaction (not enough value) to intrigue her (“gay”).

            CH’s best one is probably “business transaction’ gotcha. Hate to tell you, but I’m not that kinda guy.” and even then I’d reword it a bit if I used it.

            All in all this chick would be an uphill battle and probably won’t actually meet up with anyone. She’s there for getting attention/validation…if a magical unicorn alpha badass appeared out of nowhere, she might give him a go after testing him thru the roof, but she already views online guys with contempt by default so it’s really not worth investing much time/energy in this one.

            “not on this thing to find men so might as well make it a business transaction.”

            Off the top of my head I’d use something offensive and sexual like “ya, I’m not on here to find men either. They keep sending me their wrinkly old-man wang pics. I’m thinking of trying women instead. You should help me with my conversion. I may need to draw a moustache on you the first few times. Unless you can naturally grow one yourself…you ARE an Internet girl after all lol How many cats do you have?” just to force a shit-test and/or emotional reaction out of her and then riff off her response from there.

            The main parts of mine are 1) I’m getting out of the buyer/seller dynamic/roleplay as fast as possible so I’m no longer playing into the “chasing her” frame she’s set, 2) I’m future projecting that we’re going to have sex, so there’s no chance of getting friend-zoned in an asexual witty-but-not-going-to-lead-to-sex conversation, 3) it’s turning things around and making her qualify herself on being an “Internet girl” and having cats. It basically forces her to lose her mental footing and play in my reality instead of the other way around that she’s used to.

            This kind of thing is congruent to me though. And I would pass whatever shit-test her response contains.


          • YaReally
            on May 10, 2013 at 9:24 am
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            @Matt

            “The point of the text challenge is to build rapport and momentum. That simply does not work on a faceless medium, where you can rely on body language and aura (or the reputation that precedes you) to remind her you aren’t a random weirdo.”

            Sure it does. I do most of my rapport building via txt messaging. So do other guys I know. You can’t make these claims of “this simply does not work” when tons of us are doing it regularly.

            “You have to be reactive in order to “control the frame.” You build on what she says and nudge it in your direction through your replies. Being randomly assertive appears autistic without a presence she can reassure herself with.”

            Nope. This is just jockey theory. It’s like guys who think when you approach a girl you have to talk about her outfit or something she’s into because they haven’t tried simply taking over her frame and controlling it and disregarding whatever she’s trying to talk about.

            Half the time the girls don’t even remember what they wrote in their profile because they wrote it 400 creepy dick pic messages ago when they were in a fun mood.

            Know how I run Internet game? I literally don’t even read their profiles. It doesn’t matter what they write in them, it’s all bullshit. It’s a laundry list of shit they’ll screen a guy for when the guy isn’t interesting enough to captivate their interest and make them ignore their list.

            The majority of the online girls I’ve banged have had 3 things in common: 1) I’ve pushed for and gotten their cell number to txt instead of staying online, within 2-5 messages. 2) I’ve ignored their profile and just steamrolled with my own frame/qualifying and forced them to react to me instead of me reacting to them. And 3) They’ve had stuff like “not looking for a booty call, I’m looking for something serious” and “no one under 6′ tall” and “have a car and a job” etc. (I read their profiles AFTER we’ve exchanged a couple messages)

            We had a saying back in the day: “PUAs are the exception to the rule” All that shit in their profile is designed to trip up betas and put guys in a frame where they can screen them and make them compete against eachother. “ohh, this guy made a witty joke about my agency fees…but THIS guy made a witty joke about the rough market…hmm, which one of these suitors begging for my approval will I approve of and bless with my attention…”

            Here’s Julien from RSD talking about the concept that girls don’t give a shit about whether the conversation is logical or not:

            You’re coming from the frame of “it’d be weird if I just changed topics and didn’t play along with what she started with”. Girls don’t think like that, they live in the moment. When you ignore what she’s saying and steamroll with your own (better and more productive for getting the lay) frame, her brain goes “oh, I guess this is what we’re talking about now!” and she plays catch-up.

            “You have to first lay down the predicate that you are worth responding to,”

            She’s getting 100 messages a day. 50 of those are penis pics, 20 of those are “sup” and “hey”‘s, and the other 30 are guys making “witty” logical comments based on her profile about rough markets and agency fees thinking they’ll stand out.

            What stands out and makes her want to respond to you is causing an emotional reaction (good or bad), and having her invest and qualify herself.

            “which is why flirt-by-text is so precarious.”

            It’s not precarious at all. Like I say, I do a ton of my gaming via txts. Even if I approach the girl live, I do a ton of my comfort/rapport building, flirting, even sexting to having them masturbate for me and set up our first “date” as a booty call, all via txts.

            The keys are to control the frame and push the seduction forwards. Most guys get stuck in her frame or a non-productive (ie – won’t lead to sex) frame, and go around in circles instead of moving things forward.

            Spend a couple months gaming online girls and pushing for the phone number within the first 3 messages, setting a sexual frame/roleplay/tone within your first 3 messages, pushing to a sexting conversation (and getting titty pics) within 10 messages, and pushing for a meet-up within the first 20 messages. You can get away with moving a lot faster than you’d expect if your game is tight and you understand the dynamics.


          • YaReally
            on May 11, 2013 at 3:55 pm
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            @Matt

            Hit a nerve did I? Lol

            All you’ve done is shown that you don’t have any txt game. A girl doesn’t need to see you to be attracted. No chick has seen the guy in 50 Shades of Grey. Again, we do this all this time. This isn’t theory for us like it is for you…we are doing this stuff on a regular basis.

            All the examples you listed are just standard shit. PUAs have been approaching celebrities, hitting on daughters in front of their parents, making CEOs love them, etc with game for years.

            Like that’s your problem, you have so little an actual understanding of game and you’ve never actually gone out and actively sarged to see it in action for yourself, that you think it only applies to a very specific situation (drunk club sluts). You sound just like a woman who says game only works on club sluts because she’s never gone out and used it herself. So to you, the examples you listed are magical great white whales, and to normal guys they are, but to us they’re just Tuesday.

            You’re a child building sandcastles bragging to architects and talking down to them like they wouldn’t be able to pack sand and water into a bucket blindfolded lol

            You gotta stop believing your own bullshit man. It worked a couple years ago when the only guys around here were guys who didn’t go out and couldn’t tell you were full of shit but the next generation has moved in. We go out, we apply this, we improve at it, we have more experience than you, and your rants are blatantly obvious keyboard jockey mental masturbation to us.


          • YaReally
            on May 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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            Have you really been reduced to “well the MMA I’ve never trained didn’t teach me to specifically handle when someone does a jump flipping ninja kick on day 1 so I’m discounting MMA entirely!!”?

            Here’s a counter-deal for you:

            You stop writing stupid shit and I’ll stop pointing out that you’re writing stupid shit.

            Lol



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Scray
on May 6, 2013 at 5:46 pm
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Super lame.
Ya, brb ‘being myself’ and resigning myself to a lifetime of 3-5′s.
I understand ‘accepting yourself/being honest with yourself/loving yourself…’ but to turn that into ‘ya…and so to get the results i want i should do nothing’ is retarded.
Also…even if it was dishonest and ‘appeasing,’ who gives a shit?

The polite rules that everyone gets taught only work for the natural top 5% of guys — ‘Brad Pitt say….buy a girl drink, be very nice, remember lots of things about her. Brad Pitt wonder why his advice work for him and not you.’

So it’s either accept being forever fucked or taking what’s yours in whatever way you can.


  • ImmoralGables
    on May 6, 2013 at 6:01 pm
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    “So it’s either accept being forever fucked or taking what’s yours in whatever way you can.”

    What’s mine is mine, what’s yours is mine.


    • Plumnuts
      on May 7, 2013 at 9:36 am
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      Again, dreaming. This attitude may bring you great success in gaming girls but don’t confuse it with a recipe for success in other areas cos sure as shit it ain’t.

      [CH: Many of the psychological principles of game are stolen from sales techniques.]

      There’s a reason jackals aren’t king of the jungle, but if that’s all you wanna be then go for it.

      [False premise. Now get the fuck back in your hovel. You say nothing new or insightful that a thousand insipid haters before you haven't already said.]


      • Plumnuts
        on May 7, 2013 at 11:12 am
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        I donate to this blog, and don’t remember saying I was a game denialist or hater. Somebody got the painters in today?

        The sales techniques analogy I’ve heard a thousand times before too. Boo hoo. Whilst it’s great that guys use tools to get what they want out of life, the “in whatever way you can” meme is a complete crock of shit. Selling yourself in the best way possible is not equal to deception and bullshitting, there’s a line in there somewhere and when you stay on the wrong side then it’s not girls who’ll stay away from you but other guys. Fine if you wanna live the PUA life and flip burgers, knock yourself out.


        • YaReally
          on May 8, 2013 at 10:51 pm
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          “Whilst it’s great that guys use tools to get what they want out of life, the “in whatever way you can” meme is a complete crock of shit.”

          I agree. I’m very honest in my style of game. But I think every man has to decide for themselves what moral/ethical lines people have arbitrarily drawn they’re comfortable with crossing to get what they want.

          Someone who’s starting out, and from a deficit like Scray or myself when I was new, or Tyler who was all fucked up, may see it as “I’ll do whatever works, fuck it!!” and cross any lines without caring about the bigger picture that you’re alluding to, because from where they’re starting they HAVE to be jackals just to claw their way up to a proper foothold.

          But in time when the PUA skillset becomes unconscious competence, you focus more on the bigger picture of “alright I can get most of the girls I’m interested in, now I have to decide what I really want in them and what my general code of ethics is”.

          The problem is 1) a lot of guys get so caught up in chasing pussy that they don’t bother doing some self-analysis and thinking about this because, well, they’re getting pussy lol and 2) society and other men (often the blowhard King A types who believe that their morals are the best morals) try to force men to follow THEIR set of morals/ethics/values and shame men or badger them for attempting to discover their own via life experience.

          So really I agree with both you and Scray, I think you’re just talking about different periods of a man’s development in this area, thus the conflict.

          I do some fucked up stuff, but I have very strict lines I don’t cross. They’re just not the same lines most people have.



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n/a
on May 3, 2013 at 4:47 pm
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Seeing a man “texting” is like watching Cary Grant knitting.


  • Matthew King
    on May 4, 2013 at 8:21 am
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    Mummies like n/a give conservatism a bad name.

    Texting is just another medium of communication, with advantages and disadvantages. Just like calligraphy on parchment. Just like the carrier pigeon. Just like Skype. Conservatives don’t attempt to conserve old ways that have been transcended. They honor what was good about those ways without recklessly rushing into novelty for novelty’s sake in the name of the idol “progress.”

    You can bring an old school temperament to new ways. If you don’t know how to do that, you become stuffy, inflexible, rigor-mortised, impotent, useless. Yes, our conservative advantage presents itself outside of technological props because we are independent of them. Being sufficiently respectful of traditions that work and should have never been superseded is part of the balance. But being nimble enough to bring one’s persona onto new platforms is the other part.

    Cary Grant would have pulled out his iPhone the way he pulled out his cigarettes. As an extension of his suavity, not as an affectation, and certainly not as an obsession, and never ever as a social shield. CH’s criticism (“But, hey, those smartphones are nifty, right?”) is a comment about our dependency on a social crutch, not a condemnation of new technology — like, say, this website — used in proper doses and in effective ways.

    Criticizing tools rather than skills is an indicator of poor craftsmanship. We do what we can, with what we have, where we are. We improvise, we adapt, we overcome:

    Lance Corporal Fragetti: It’s not my fuckin’ fault, man. The fuckin’ weapon’s fuckin’ fucked up.

    Gunny Highway: [takes rifle and fires bullseyes] There’s nothing wrong with that rifle. Keep it tight.

    Smartphones are the nuclear weapons of the information age. Yeah, war was nobler when it was up-close-and-personal fencing between gentlemen. But once gunpowder was invented, you weren’t just a fool to pout about the advancement, you were a dead fool.

    Matt


    • Alexander
      on May 5, 2013 at 8:47 am
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      Dude!

      But why on heaven do you suck in matters of game?
      With things like this you can pull 10s.

      - i had with much less of the things you demonstrate here

      Sure it’s complicated, since 8s and even 9s don’t fall for that, but 10s are different set of shoes.

      With little bit of game, and attitude and self confidence like this + your encyclopedia knowledge that can fashion you in more intellectual circles as an expert(self confident expert that is valued by men and women … causes wetness levels to exceed the clouds)…


      • Alexander
        on May 5, 2013 at 8:57 am
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        “causes wetness levels to exceed the clouds)…” That is, in the 10s I was talking about.

        First signs are definitely wild IOI’s that you’ll get with demonstrated insight in the subjects that the particular chick is interested in.
        Of course it has to be executed with unshakable confidence and not be (successfully) rebuked by anyone – all of which you do posses, hopefully in person too.

        I mean is it faith or something else that prevents you from that,

        heh are you a priest?


        • Matthew King
          on May 5, 2013 at 10:57 am
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          With [a] little bit of game…

          I don’t like the term “game.” It is a ghetto derivative. It indicates pastime, superfluousness, immaturity. I prefer “manliness.” I don’t like the term “alpha.” It is a misnomer borrowed from ethology and misapplied to a narrow subset of the well-rounded man’s repertoire. I prefer “leadership.”

          Still, when in Rome, jargonize as the Romans do.

          I have the opposite problem you imagine I have. Women throw themselves in the way of my mission and they have to be managed. I don’t have much to tell mimics and PUA aspirants about how to hold their drink or where to “initiate kino,” etc. You don’t scrutinize technique when results arrive in such superabundance to become a distraction. Female attention is a side-effect to my main concern. As any man knows (should know), women fuck up smooth operations.

          So my advice to imposter alphas is usually: stop pretending and become great and the women will come as an afterthought. But as you can imagine, that’s not something the newly-liberated chump wants to hear. And, I admit, it’s shitty advice for their particular predicament.

          But if I wanted to be a teacher, or a professor, or a life coach, I would have done it. I don’t have the patience to put up with the bratty know-it-all novices of our age. “Here remain with your uncertainty” are my parting words to the feminized snots who don’t even know what they don’t know.

          I am not on a “hearts and minds” mission to convert the chump to hero. I am looking for a select group of observant men (and women) — like the ones who pioneered this community — to have a big-picture/strategic conversation with. Few have shown themselves.

          I mean is it faith or something else that prevents you from that…

          Blocks me from what, exactly? I am not blocked from anything. “I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly” (Jn 10:10).

          heh are you a priest?

          All Christians are priests, (mediating between the divine and mundane), just as we are all prophets (calling people to God), just as we are all kings (ordering the world to holiness). Those are three of the advantages to belonging to the club of the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and Alpha of Alphas.

          I have been mistaken for a priest, teacher, soldier, lawyer, professor, and celebrity. I am all of those and none of those. I am proudly the highest human type available today, the renaissance man of the contemporary world, the truly free individual: an entrepreneur.

          /Matt


          • YaReally
            on May 10, 2013 at 7:58 pm
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            @Matt

            And you call *ME* a LARP’er lol



YaReallyAWOL
on May 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm
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#5: Change her mood, not her mind. And qualify her so your reason for meeting up is something that won’t trigger her ASD, by not having a reason (thus her “what’s in it for you?”) she just defaults to assuming sex and her ASD won’t let her meet up.

That kind of plowing can work on a single girl but you have to calibrate for the taken ones and help them skirt around their own ASD to not feel guilty pursuing what they secretly deep-down want.

Aaaaand now it’s bar-time. Friday woo!



YaReally
on May 4, 2013 at 1:24 pm
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On an asshole dark triad note:

The advice in #4 is why I’m not real concerned about husbands/boyfriends of girls hunting me down to kick my ass if I bang their girls. I think in an earlier time, the girl was always looked at as the innocent one and it was encouraged and manly for the guy to go find the dude and punch him out.

But these days guys have been burned by women enough and shared enough experiences online and mainstream media has harped on how women make their own decisions eat pray love style and guys have seen enough shitty behavior by girls on Facebook twitter etc etc to where most guys, in a rage like this dude will have at LEAST a couple buddies who will redirect his anger toward his girl for cheating instead of the other guy for just accepting easy pussy.

I think this is a fairly new/recent thing, and it works out great for us sketchy player types. I saw a thread on the Misc that was the same way, like 20 dudes chiming in “yo forget the guy man she’s the one who was being a slut, what guy is gonna turn down pussy?”

Even last night I was dancing with a chick and some angry orbiter came out of nowhere to break it up. Was he mad at me? Nope, he started bitching her out instead lol I was like “you two have fun” and moved on but there was absolutely zero worry about one of those 80s prom movie scenes where the Ducky orbiter punches out the douchey prom king to get the girl.

Dynamics of the dating world have changed so much in the past few years lol


  • Mitch Cumstein
    on May 4, 2013 at 6:45 pm
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    I agree there’s less of that, but you still need to be on the lookout. There will always be a guy out there who thinks some asshole tripped and his dick fell into his princess’s lockbox. It’s too painful for him to imagine she would conspire.

    I once knew this guy, recently married, went to this party. He had a weakness for Mexican girls and he saw one he liked and made out with her. She had a boyfriend, but he wasn’t there yet. The guy took off for home before he could get there. But when he got home and was getting out of his car, he heard his name being called. He turned around and WHACK! I guess the boyfriend saw him leaving and could smell it on his own girl, followed him.

    So the pissed off boyfriend didn’t just hit him once, he went to down on this guy. He ended up being put on a gurney and taken to the hospital. Two black eyes. Well…it turns out this guy is a meteorologist for a local TV station. He was told not to drink by his employers, because he’d gotten a DUI. His work found out he was getting drunk when he macked on that girl. They told him, “We’re not going to fire you…but you are leaving. Make up whatever story you want.” So the station built up this whole going-away hoopla and he said on the air he was quitting news to spend more time with his family.

    No lesson to be learned from this. Just a funny story about a guy who kissed the wrong girl at a party.


    • Glenbert
      on May 5, 2013 at 7:39 am
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      No, there is a lesson here… Men from traditional societies (e.g. Mexico) know that the only way to discourage adultery is to be willing to beat the shit out of other men.

      And it’s not about “winning back” the woman, it’s about deterring trashy people from doing trashy things.


      • Holden Caulfield
        on May 5, 2013 at 10:29 am
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        Yet the behavior is not on the down swing, proving that the fighting the other guy doesn’t change anyone’s behavior. Its more of a pride thing for the guy who was cheated on, making him feel like he’s superior even though the girl made her choice and chose to cheat on him. I’ve had angry boyfriend’s say shit to me in clubs, but I always say the same thing: “she never said shit about having a boyfriend”. Every. Single. Time. the guy is shocked that his little princess would encourage attention from another guy. Not yet has anyone taken a swing at me. Deep down they know the truth: the girl will act like a whore if you let her. It isn’t the other guy’s fault.


        • YaReally
          on May 5, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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          Yep. Guys who are concerned about all these big bad scary people beating people to death left and right at the drop of a hat over a girl are guys who don’t go out regularly. Haven’t had a guy take a legit swing at me in 10 years of being a PUA.

          Dude in the story above who got beat up was retardedly playing with fire. You don’t make out with a girl who’s BF is on his way to the bar. You screen/qualify to make sure if she has a BF that he isn’t there, or ideally isn’t even in the city. On top of that you find out her logistics and which of her friends there will care about her making out with you or which will be cool with it (their best BFF is usually fine with it because they have dirty secrets together, VS the less close friends who would report her behavior). You don’t use your real name, you don’t txt her your address, you don’t tell her anything about yourself like your job or what bars you like to hang out in, you find as much information on her BF as possible (what’s his name, how big is he, what job does he have (office nerd or blue-collar alpha), etc etc).

          And in the event the girl doesn’t tell you she had a bf which happens a lot too, ESP if you don’t pry for that information, you make damn sure you have enough skill at dealing with people, frame control, controlling your own emotions, leading things, etc to calm most angry people down at least long enough to run away.

          Cops don’t pull up and jump out of their car guns blazing shooting at everyone who’s angry. There are a ton of psychological tactics you can use to calm a potentially violent situation down long before it gets to that.

          I’m not saying it’s not possible that someone’s going to just be mentally unhinged and psychotic but 1) it’s so incredibly rare that when you go out a lot you realize how rare it is and don’t really concern yourself with it, 2) probably 95% of angry guys can be calmed down with the right skillset at it (again see cop, bouncer, etc procedures), 3) 100% of the eBadasses who write online about how “yo if you tried that on MY girl you’d be talking thru broken teeth in the emergency room” are the exact guys who would never actually do anything about it in real life except take it like a bitch lol, and 4) there are a lot of preventative measures you can take to avoid running into the rare psychos like that or to minimize the risk on your end.

          Now if you’re a foreigner in some dive bar in the middle of buttfuck nowhere Mexico and you’re hitting on a local girl who you know has a BF, well hey, you’re probably going to get your ass kicked. But you were playing with fire like a dumbass to begin with.


          • YaReally
            on May 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm
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            @Glen

            Tomato, tomahto. Replace boyfriend with husband in my shit and I stand by my point.

            Popping out a kid and paying your taxes doesn’t make you an adult. But if painting everyone else as pathetic irrelevant club slut children that you can distance yourself from because you’re better than them, helps you keep from discussing or considering the possibility and concept that your wife’s natural hypergamy might be used to help her willingly choose to suck some other guy’s cock on a girl’s night out, or while you’re away at work and she’s a bored housewife banging the milk man, hey, do your thing, keep your world view in-tact. But maybe read some more red pill material.

            The ratio of guys I’ve known who’ve fucked taken/married girls to how many of those guys have actually been beaten up or killed by an angry husband (vs the armchair threats of eToughGuys) is low to non-existent



Alpha
on May 5, 2013 at 10:39 am
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I think I’m going to be sick. Like really, actually, biologically, phisically sick. Watch the first minute of this YouTube clip:

Are bodybuilders now giving out lessons in how to be a needy AFC never-get-laid betachump? Beause it’s looking likely…


  • YaReally
    on May 5, 2013 at 4:05 pm
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    This guy weirds me out, but that was good advice for the blue pill crowd.



Fatter, Wimpier, More Pathetic

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Newly Aloof
on May 2, 2013 at 1:34 pm
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@Heartiste: Write a book to help these poor souls.
@YaReally: You too: http://newlyaloof.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/why-yareally-need-to-learn-game/


  • Scray
    on May 2, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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    Oh that’s awesome!

    It’s more motivation for me to just go out there and put myself in more difficult situs and get some more of that golden advice. Hasn’t steered me wrong yet — probably because, more and more, I can see that it just comes straight from experience.


    • YaReallyAWOL
      on May 2, 2013 at 4:57 pm
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      “It’s more motivation for me to just go out there and put myself in more difficult situs and get some more of that golden advice.”

      You keep going out, and I’ll keep helping you. That’s the deal lol


  • WhoCares
    on May 2, 2013 at 2:56 pm
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    YaReally is kewl. There, i just qualified you ;D

    I was thinking what if G Manifesto walks up to YaReally’s set. I’d like to see the “suit-clowning” go down THERE.


    • YaReallyAWOL
      on May 2, 2013 at 4:56 pm
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      “I was thinking what if G Manifesto walks up to YaReally’s set. I’d like to see the “suit-clowning” go down THERE.”

      From what I’ve read of his, his game just isn’t built to handle my shit and I would steamroll the set. That’s not a judgement call on his skill/abilities, it’s just a logical conclusion. It’s like putting a really good boxer up against an MMA guy…the boxer in his element is great but the MMA guy will take him to the ground and out of his element. It doesn’t mean the boxer isn’t good at fighting, but they’re different skillsets and he hasn’t trained to deal with ground-fighting, and as a guy who only fights in boxing matches he doesn’t have to learn ground-fighting, so that’s totally fine.

      The reality is tho, I don’t tool cool guys and they don’t tool me. Game recognizes game fast in-field and any guy with experience knows hitting up chicks with a skilled wingman makes the two of you pretty much unstoppable. Way more mutually beneficial than competing against eachother in a dick-waving swordfight. If he approached with a good value-giving vibe, I would legit compliment his fancy suit, introduce him to my girls, insta-wing him, and we’d take our girls back to his mansion’s hot-tub for an afterparty. (this exact thing has actually happened to me lol)

      I only AMOG guys who earn it. I’ve earned enough bad karma over the years as it is. ;)


  • YaReallyAWOL
    on May 2, 2013 at 4:37 pm
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    lol awesome. Glad my writing has helped.

    Lumpy put together an auto-magic generated compilation of all my posts from here and Rollo’s at:

    http://lumpypua.github.io/YaReallyArchive/

    I don’t feel right compiling it all into a book to sell because when I joined the PUA community back in the day it was all about exchanging free information and helping eachother out. And a lot of the information I’m relaying is content from companies like RSD, Lovesystems, Mystery, etc. so a lot of it isn’t even my original content. I’m really just like a human Wikipedia on PUA concepts, insert a problem/question and I shuffle thru my knowledge/experience for an answer and figure out how to explain it in a way that relates to the problem/question.