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on April 30, 2013 at 12:51 pm
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Adventures in Day2′s:

Show up an hour late? Check.
Pick venue she said she never has liked? Check.


Social circle shit is still rough.
Most of the time it’s just like…

Chris Farley’s what comes out…David Spade is what my mind says…and that due they’re talking to is just about any girl lol

  • YaReallyMIA
    on May 1, 2013 at 2:35 am
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    This guy is fucked. Convince him to sign a pre-nup (follow the rules on how long before the wedding to do it so she can’t say she was under pressure, ensure there isn’t anything invalid on the contract that would null the whole thing, etc., google this shit the info is out there, even if it gets thrown out at least he had it VS not had it and maybe she’ll freak out about him even asking for it which might help him see her scam), then sit back and cross your fingers and be there for him when it blows up in his face. He likely won’t listen to you right now because he’s in luuuuuurve and you guys just don’t understaaaaand, this one’s speciaaaaaal, etc. etc. rationalization hamster.

    Field Report breakdown:

Single Mom Wants Alpha Male, Won’t Get Him

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on April 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm
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“Even science has shown this female craving for the alpha male who is both lover and boyfriend is the underlying need and want of women.”

I’m a tad suspicious of the idea that women generically want alpha personalities and end up with betas if they are somehow now good enough to get alphas.” I seem to see a lot more stable and responsible alphas than the fuck up alphas.

Beta personalities are very clear and distinct things. If women really didn’t prefer them on any level, then why do they exist? You would think that all dudes would act in degrees of alpha if women had only preferred alphas for everything over the millennia.

I think women like a combination of alpha and beta attributes ideally. Im even attracted to some omega attributes (nerdiness). Different people have different combinations. Me personally, I don’t care for the aloof thing. I like the active and domineering sort. In order to be domineering, you might be a control freak and then you can’t really be aloof because you look too invested in the task you are controlling. And some aspects of being able to get very invested in a girl’s life are similar to beta attentiveness.

I think each man should develop both his alpha and beta traits according to his nature, his ideals and his sense of what would make him a happy spouse and a also good father (if that’s something he is interested in). If I cared about the future of humanity, I would not think lots and lots of guys should try to become as “alpha” as possible so they are best suited for maximum short term flings (unless children of single mothers are not at the disadvantage it appears they are at). I would think that society can only stand so many Heartsies. Then again, wouldn’t it be cool if all the guys could be something like Heartiste without it destroying society? I guess women over 45 would never get laid, but then women over 45 aren’t supposed to have much of a sex drive anyway, right?


The above was my honest stream of consciousness. I like how the conclusion of this contradicts the original sentiment entirely even though I originally proposed to say something that I thought made sense to me. Raw vignette of a girl’s mind at work. Take what you want out of that, I suppose,

  • Lily
    on May 1, 2013 at 10:04 am
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    “I think women like a combination of alpha and beta attributes ideally.”

    True. And also I don’t think men can sustain being only alpha all the time. All men have both attributes, and a woman loves experiencing from time to time rays of beta from her man because it shows some tenderness towards her.

    • Matthew King
      on May 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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      False. Or your definitions are cocked-up.

      • Lily
        on May 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm
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        Absolutely true. Or you don’t know yourself, or you’re refusing to accept reality. NO man can be alpha 100% of the time. This is absurd.

        A man can be predominantly alpha but still have some elements that are associated more with betaness or the feminine. Doesn’t make him any less of a man or any less alpha. Only means he is human with feelings and sensitivity. Nothing wrong with it in my book, and in fact is welcomed.

        • Matthew King
          on May 8, 2013 at 12:04 am
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          Love is both (maybe not in equal parts), and action is very important, as they say, “Actions speak louder than words.” The question is, what do you mean by action? What type of action(s) proves love?

          Love means willing the good of another. It has nothing to do with any feeling.

          Now, when somebody does perform this action for you, it can be the cause of many feelings — appreciation, gratitude, a desire for reciprocation, intimacy, joy — because in that moment we know that we are doing precisely what we were made to do, to will the good of another, despite all the negative forces pulling us away from that mission.

          I don’t “speak in riddles.” Look up the Greek word “agape.” Your favorite Uncle Greg knows what it means.

          “What should he do instead? Pound her?” How uncouth. You show a woman you love her by doing what’s good for her (whether she likes it or not at the time). You don’t show love through tender nancyboy declarations.

          “Maybe you’re right???” Let’s dispense with the “maybes” already. We have work to do. No time for coy games about how “maybe” I’m wrong and other hamster diversions. Seriously, it’s just a waste of your rapidly depleting youth.

          I will email you the other rules. When are you ovulating next?


          • YaReally
            on May 13, 2013 at 1:38 pm
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on April 29, 2013 at 3:55 am
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FR —>

Friday was a mind-bending experience. Hung out with Religious6.5, GoodlookingMcCoolGuy and a few of his friends. She holds a pretty ‘official’ position and travels a lot and visits our school sometimes. I’m starting to understand my ‘style.’ It literally is just ‘bull in a china shop, I do whatever the fuck I want.’ Anyway, what was cool is that over the course of the night I just kind of let loose with whatever was in my mind: ‘ya, we’re just waiting for the right time to orgy with you.’ ‘ya, good thing you drank that drink, cause in about 30 minutes we’re all going to be having a pretty good time.’ And this Mormon girl is playful right back with it. We all took pictures together and we’re talking and she’s like ‘ya, you’re really photogenic…I’m sure you already knew that.’ So….probably DTF.

I think I learned a new lesson — seems like, if you can make a chick feel completely non-judged, they’ll show you a lot of themselves. Like, we went out partied, she was grinding on me…blah blah. But the image of her is that she’s just this super straight-laced hard-working evangelical. In fact, she’s just as much of a fucking degenerate slacker as I am lol.


I decide that I’m still on this ‘only open hot sets’ kick. So what I’m going to do is ‘small chunk’ everything. First, I will just work on maintaining my body language and my frame —- no matter what happens. The perfect opener for this is ‘Hey guys, sorry I’m late’ and just plow the fuck through.

I do a warm-up set and just walk away in the middle of conversation (no it wasn’t going particularly well, and I wasn’t going to say in a 4, 4, 5 set).

Next set, mixed set 7, 7.5, and suave-looking chode in a tie. I pump myself up by talking with all the chodes standing around and Nightly for a few seconds, then I approach, hands on hips, feet shoulder width apart, smirking

Me: (forget the opener, say something else) Hey me and my friend were just having an argument —- would you sleep with Jesus? (I read this somewhere…just popped out)

7.5 (looks at me, annoyed) He doesn’t exist. (backturn)

Me: (NOPE. NOT TODAY. I reach out and grab her arm) Hey…don’t be fucking rude

7.5: (taken aback, blinks) Well…I answered your question, I said he doesn’t exist

Me: Stop being a bitch and just relax and be cool (turns to her friend) A-yi-yi, is she always like this?

7: Like what? (blah blah blah blah…) My drink blah blah blah (the music’s loud)

So, I crash and burn in this set…but, two things — I can see it, now. The little glimmers of ‘something,’ that are CAUSED by me first escalating/doing something else. Like, when I told her not to be rude, her vibe toward me changed.

Two set — 7 and an 8. Just roll up, hands on hips, feet spaced shoulder width apart

Me: Hey guys sorry I’m late
(both look at me, I’m silent with a smirk. They look away and start laughing)
8: Oh, yeah you didn’t miss much.
Me: Ya, how is this place?
8: It’s whatever, you know how it is.

I run routines, do my thing…the kino is only very light, but I mean…I witness things happen before my very eyes that are kind of mind-blowing. Like, I touch them and do stuff, and it’s fine. They don’t mind. After about 10 minutes. I stop escalating…I’m outside my reality, I can’t believe that it’s possible that I -could- one day be THIS guy. So after another 10 minutes though, they leave.

Whatever ‘normal’ sets I open because of logistics or because of my 3 second rule, I’m sure to ABC and get the number ASAP. Don’t want to waste much time with them.

BTW, even the ACT of opening a hot girl seems like a DHV. I saw a 9 standing there with her arms folded — alone, on the sidewalk. Roll right up

Me: Hey, sorry I’m late….(smirk, hands on hips, etc.)
9: (takes one look….BACKTURNS…walks away)

This is in front of a lot of people. Including a bunch of guys who just standing around admiring her. I look to the side, notice 5, 5.5, 5, and 4, and I laugh and shrug

Me: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t…it’s all good baby.
5.5: (they all laugh) Ya, you should have offered to buy her a drink
Me: Relax kid, this ain’t my first rodeo. (Does Mitt Romney look…she does it back…I’m socially hooked already)
5.5: Oh, well all right then…blah blah blah blah blah.

I stay for a few seconds, Nightly is all up on that set soon enough, but I roll the fuck out post haste.

Next venue, I see three hot girls sitting down — 7.5, 8, 7. There’s another, similarly attractive 3 set standing up just to the right of them. I tell Nightly ‘go after the blondes, I’ll go after these brunettes, maybe we’ll be able to link them up.’ That’s the plan….

Me: Hey guys, sorry I’m late….
(I hold my frame and stare between them with a smirk — they have the same exact reaction, laughing)
Me:….ya, like, you’re Amber, you’re Kristina, you’re Marietta…Amber (indicating the 8) you don’t remember those keg stands we did? You told me that joke about donkeys and monkeys……which was fuc-king hil-ar-i-oooouuuuuuuus
(they’re still laughing and rolling their eyes)
Me — blah blah blah she’s the crazy one, she’s the good one, she’s the mother hen, girl code, blah blah blah blah
7.5 and 7 are more into it than 8 — 8. although sometimes I’m able to catch her, is still a little aloof. S’all good. 7 pulls out her phone while I’m talking. I take the time to just lean over her
Me: What’s that? Is that your fucking phone? That’s dope….let’s take a look!
(Dips to stare straight down at her phone, and she giggles like crazy and hits me on the shoulder)
7: Don’t make fun of my phone!
Me: Listen, let’s all relax…here, we’re just gonna…(I squeeze behind her and actually move her chair around — she’s giggling, her friends are both just staring wide-eyed….and then I sit down — however, I notice that the 8 sort of scoots a little away (we’re both on a bench)….I look over at her, noticing this shift, and then I bite the air. She blinks and looks straight ahead)
Me: So how do you guys know one another…?
8: School…
Me: Oh yeah? College is fucking rad
7.5: No, the one before that
Me: (grin) Juvenile detention. Gotcha.
(No one is amused…in my mind I’m just like ‘it’s funny because I SAID it’ and I just sit there, not gonna laugh at my own joke, not gonna say anything else about it either. 7.5 shakes her head)
7.5: No…..High School
Me: Oooooooooooooooooooooooh.
Me: (blah blah blah blah blah cold read, blah blah blah blah…FINALLY….8 turns to look at me…I’ve been busting her balls about her watch v her friend’s watch blah blah blah)
8: So are those guys over there your friends?
(I glance and sure enough, there are two chodes who are just looking at the entire interaction)
Me: ya, but they’re wasted. Listen, they give you any trouble…you just let me know…..
8: (disbelieving look)…okay…
Me: And I’ll hand ‘em your purse straight away.
8 (she smiles)
8: So….what do you do?
Me: I’m a manager at Mcdonald’s, and if you guys play your cards right (I think about a finger snap, but then I’m like fuck that. Just say it straight)’ll get some free hamburgers.
8: Bullshit, you’re a fucking liar.
Me: (blinks)
8: It’s obvious that you’re quick, so….
Me: (Does a black woman index finger circular gesture, faux indignation) YOU just got downgraded to fries.
(All of them laugh, and she can’t control it either)
8: (starting to warm up, she puts her head on her chin and is looking at me….yaaaaaa cooooooooool) So why us? Why’d you come over here and talk to us, out of all these people? (The way she says it, right after I’ve pumped the group’s state lets me know it’s a shit test….)
Me: First chicks I saw, so….proximity?
(this lights her up again, she even repeats it to 7.5, and they both giggle about it, yaaaaaa Mystery, yaaaaaaaaaaaa…I launch into digit ratio routine, and in the middle of it the 8 —they’re pretty impressed by it and the accompanying info — now she’s warm…I can feel it….)
8: So you go to college? Are you a sociology major…like, what do you do for real?
(Ya, here’s my chance to just totally jump into qualifying/comfort…here it is, a great opportunity, a great…….)
Me: I already told you I worked at McDonald’s
(8 rolls her eyes……..and ya well……………the set starts to go downhill from there; I’ve been neglecting the 7 for awhile, and she’s the mother hen, and I kind of lose them all bit by bit. But I force myself to stick it out to learn this goddamned stupid lesson.)

Other interactions took place, but whatever. I mean, it seems like the issue is recognizing when to start moving into A3/C1 territory and getting more ‘real’ or ‘deep.’ It feels like the margin for error with hotter girls is just narrower. Maybe that’s just in my head. Anyone have any guesses or suggestions on how to best tell when to start ‘getting real’ in an interaction?


I had completely forgotten about this 5′s number I got from a set a few weeks ago and texted. She texted me, and we were texting back and forth. She clearly is into me…meh, whatever. Can take or leave it. However, we were talking on the phone and she kind of got annoyed and was like ‘ya, well I mean, you’re witty and funny but you just come across like you have a young mindset….like a boy.’

Me ‘o ya?’ (is this a shit test or what…or is she being real….idfk…)

Her: Yeah, as a woman looking for a man….I’m just thinking ‘okay, is it just jokes and that’s it? Is there anything you take seriously?’

Me: Not much. I think too many people take themselves too fucking seriously, and they’re stupid for it. No one cares about your fucking car or your house or your goddamned suit — you’re just gonna die anyway, fag. I care about adventure, I want to see all there is to see and explore as much as I can. So yeah, when it’s time to work I’ll fucking work, but when it’s time to play…eat shit if you want to stand around and jack off about your rolex or your job.

She likes this extemp rant, I can tell. Now, if I knew nothing about game I would just be like ‘well shit, she doesn’t like me at all.’ Now, I think…’ya she likes me SO MUCH that she’s actually TELLING ME WHAT SHE NEEDS right now.’ Correct assumption — she had to go do something but she was like ‘ya, actually can I call you later.’ In my mind I’m like’ idfc,’ but I’m like ‘ya cool sure.’

Annnnyways….I think that could be another use for lower value/attractiveness girls…they like you enough to just kind of…… you. Helpful to apply that knowledge to hotter girls? Seems like it.

  • YaReallyMIA
    on May 1, 2013 at 2:32 am
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    Breakdown for this one, I’m still gone right now but I always do a quick search for your FRs:

    “I’m starting to understand my ‘style.’ It literally is just ‘bull in a china shop”

    Keep exploring that, it’s my style too. My friends with blatant theoretical high-value/alpha characteristics (looks, height, $, etc.) can play the Nice Guy gentleman. Guys like us competing with them have to DHV more in-her-face because we need to demonstrate internal high-value/alpha characteristics.

    “she’s like ‘ya, you’re really photogenic…I’m sure you already knew that.’ So….probably DTF.”


    “if you can make a chick feel completely non-judged, they’ll show you a lot of themselves.”


    “But the image of her is that she’s just this super straight-laced hard-working evangelical. In fact, she’s just as much of a fucking degenerate slacker as I am lol.”

    Thus the Madonna/whore fallacy. All it takes is the right set of circumstances to bring a girl’s real side out. I’ve done fucked up things with girls who’s friends/family/etc. would have no idea she was capable of that. Things she would never do with any other guy. The Madonna/whore guys think 1) certain girls are incapable of certain acts, and 2) a girl who would do an act with one guy would do it with any guy. It’s all bullshit social conditioning and a refusal to fully swallow the Red Pill.

    “I decide that I’m still on this ‘only open hot sets’ kick.”

    Good. I’m not blowing smoke up your ass when I say that’s your market. Your “deficit” actually gains you extra points approaching these girls. You’re going to get blown out more at the start than a tall guy with average girls would, but it’s going to be worth building these reference experiences down the road.

    “So what I’m going to do is ‘small chunk’ everything.”

    Yep. This is the way to do it. It makes things less daunting too. “Who cares if I get blown out, all I cared about was that my body language was solid and it was! Go me!”

    “The perfect opener for this is ‘Hey guys, sorry I’m late’ and just plow the fuck through.”

    I’m stealing this lol

    “Me: (NOPE. NOT TODAY. I reach out and grab her arm) Hey…don’t be fucking rude”

    Good, as long as you have a smile on your face like “this girl is being silly, no one turns their back on me”

    “7.5: (taken aback, blinks) Well…I answered your question, I said he doesn’t exist”

    Change gears here. You’ve basically interrupted her “routine” (“ignore guy, he goes awa–oh wait, what? we’re still in a conversation?? he seems sure of himself but what do I do now?”) so you have to give her something new to jump to. In the old days we called this Routine Stacking, you just plow until something hits. So here you could cold-read or something.

    Prob is you didn’t give them a new branch to jump to, so it like, flounders:

    “Me: Stop being a bitch and just relax and be cool (turns to her friend) A-yi-yi, is she always like this?”

    Not sure how to explain this. It’s kind of like the 90/10 rule. You’ve gone into 50/50 mode, but she isn’t attracted enough to contribute yet so it’s like saying “You’re beautiful” and her going “…ummm thanks!” “…you’re really beautiful!” “…okayyyy…?” Like, she’s not going to fill in the conversation for you yet, esp since she doesn’t think she’s being a bitch.

    So there was a slight window here, I don’t know if you could’ve turned things around but it’s possible because of:

    “The little glimmers of ‘something,’ that are CAUSED by me first escalating/doing something else.”

    This. Who’s setting the pace/frame at first with the Jesus Q? You. Then she takes it by turning her back. Then you took it back by demanding she stops being rude. Then you let it flounder and let them have the frame, but they didn’t want it, and it dies. Know what I mean?

    It’s like sending a txt without feeding her something to respond to. “You’re from New York? That’s cool.” will probably get you “thanks.” whereas “You’re from New York? You must’ve moved way out here to escape the law.” will force her to give you something more you can work with. 90/10 rule.

    “After about 10 minutes. I stop escalating…I’m outside my reality, I can’t believe that it’s possible that I -could- one day be THIS guy.”

    lol. The shit you’ll be doing in a year will make you laugh at this comment. ;)

    “even the ACT of opening a hot girl seems like a DHV.”

    Yep. If you succeed, you get a hottie. If you get shot down, guys give you props for having the balls to try (VS an ugly girl shooting you down where they’ll laugh at you) and girls will think “wow a guy who had the balls to approach THAT girl?? I want him!!” (VS an ugly girl shooting you down where they’ll go “wow he can’t even get that ugly girl what a loser”).

    “Me: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t…it’s all good baby.”

    Perfect frame. It’s all a joke to you.

    “7.5 and 7 are more into it than 8 — 8. although sometimes I’m able to catch her, is still a little aloof.”

    Bill Gates finding $10,000 on the ground analogy. You would shit a brick and dance down the street, Bill Gates would go “oh, cool!” and be happy but not as outwardly excited about it. Plus on top of that, hotter girls have to shit-test more because they need guys who can handle all the shit that comes with dating a hot girl…so they’ll test you a lot more.

    “8: So are those guys over there your friends?”

    Shit-test. If you just say “Yep.” she’ll either burn you with “Maybe you should go hang out with them instead. :) ” or she’ll burn you with “Your buddy is cuuuute!” and try to indicate she’s not interested in you and piss you off and make you go away. Depending on the girl’s personality some of them will literally TRY to make guys get pissed off and cry and be butt-hurt, to weed out lame guys, and they’ll take pride in it…but guess how attracted they’ll be to a guy who passes all their tests lol

    “(I glance and sure enough, there are two chodes who are just looking at the entire interaction)”

    Of course they are, because they don’t have the balls to do what you’re doing.

    “Me: ya, but they’re wasted. Listen, they give you any trouble…you just let me know…”

    Good. You avert her burning you because you went “Ya…” but then followed up with some good/funny shit. So you’re not giving her a chance to take the frame like you would be if you just said “Ya.”.

    “8: (disbelieving look)…okay…”

    She doesn’t really know what to do/say because you didn’t fall into the shit-test she set.

    “Me: And I’ll hand ‘em your purse straight away.”

    Perfect. If you had just stopped talking there, it would’ve been like the floundering 90/10 thing up above where things died because you didn’t lead. But here you’re interrupting her “routine” and then leading her into somewhere off it, confidently and unapologetically. Another guy might’ve seen her disbelieving look and qualified themselves with “You don’t believe me?? No seriously I swear!!” gay shit.

    So basically you passed her shit-test. The result, as always?:

    “8 (she smiles)
    8: So….what do you do?”

    IOI. But she’s hot, so you don’t need to take the bait right away. Keep demonstrating value and your personality, which you do.

    “8: Bullshit, you’re a fucking liar.”

    She loves it. And an AFC/noob would apologize or qualify themselves here, probably thinking she’s actually mad and that she’s too pretty to be an asshole to.

    “Me: (blinks)”

    Holding your frame.

    “8: It’s obvious that you’re quick, so…”

    Huge IOI from a hot girl. You’ll find average/ugly girls don’t compliment your wit/intelligence/etc. Because those girls are socially retarded themselves or drunk or don’t have to weed out as many guys to find a quality guy because they’ll accept shittier guys…so they don’t develop an appreciation for wit.

    Whereas in the world of a hot girl, every guy sounds like “uhhh soo ummm you like stuff? cool I like stuff too! stuff is cool!! so uhhh…can I have your number?” And they just get used to running circles around guys and being disappointed that guys are playing “catch-up” to them all the time.

    So when they meet a guy who has THEM playing catch-up to their wit, they genuinely express IOIs about that feature, because it’s something rare and attractive in their world. This is why rich Hollywood 10s aren’t always banging 6-pack rich guys…often they’re with weird artsy dudes or scumbags or even ugly guys, because they’re looking at a different set of characteristics than the average girls. They’re surrounded by rich good-looking guys, but most of those guys are blue pill guys, so they’re looking through the riff-raff to find the guy who can dominate their world.

    “Me: (Does a black woman index finger circular gesture, faux indignation) YOU just got downgraded to fries.”

    Beautiful lol. From here she’ll be attracted. You’re basically steam-rolling over her frame and forcing her to play catch-up. Most guys would wait to hear what she said after “so…” and hope it was approval.

    “(All of them laugh, and she can’t control it either)”

    She’s legit attracted here.

    “(The way she says it, right after I’ve pumped the group’s state lets me know it’s a shit test….)”

    Yep. She’s trying to get you into the chasing-her frame still. Again, she’s a hot girl and that’s just what they do. They have to keep testing testing testing to see if you’re legit.

    “Me: First chicks I saw, so….proximity?”

    Old-school but solid. She hasn’t earned you showering her with compliments yet and this is congruent to your indirect approach. Guys will say “Dude, this is the chance to go direct!!” and you CAN do that, but you’d be taking congruency risks that aren’t necessary by switching modes. However, for the sake of learning, if you wanted to switch to direct (from your indirect that you’ve been running here), two ways you could do it are:

    1) “You’re gorgeous, and this was all a ruse to come over and hit on you.” (unapologetic SOI, but you’d have to follow this up with some GOOD shit, 90/10 style, not just let her fill in the silence after that)

    2) “You’re gorgeous, and I wanted to come see if you were fun…but it turns out I can barely stand you so now I’m just resting my feet. ;) ” (neg/tease, which should get you an “asshole!! :D ” punch on the arm)

    But like I say, that’s fucking around with incongruency when you don’t need to in this situ. Her goal is to get you to be incongruent so she can write you off…so she keeps trying to get you to admit you’re seeking her validation (calling you a liar about McDs to see if you’ll backtrack, dangling a validation string about your quickness to see if you’ll bite, asking why you approached them to see if you’ll admit to hitting on her, etc.).

    “in the middle of it the 8 —they’re pretty impressed by it and the accompanying info — now she’s warm…I can feel it….”

    Yep. Legit attraction.

    “8: So you go to college? Are you a sociology major…like, what do you do for real?”

    Real IOIs here.

    “Me: I already told you I worked at McDonald’s”

    *facepalm* lol.

    It’s alright, we all did this. :)

    “8 rolls her eyes”

    Yep. You rejected her when she “threw herself at you” by letting down her guard to show legit IOIs basically.

    “I mean, it seems like the issue is recognizing when to start moving into A3/C1 territory and getting more ‘real’ or ‘deep.’ It feels like the margin for error with hotter girls is just narrower.”

    Yep. Hotter girls, or girls who see themselves as high-value, will 180 on you for the smallest mistake. That’s why the RooshV crowd can’t hack North America. The girls see themselves as high-value, and the guys have weak/boring game that isn’t built to handle shit-tests, so the guys can’t get through the narrow window. In EE the girls give them a bigger window for error, so they can make it through. (insert irrellvant whining from those guys about “well NA girls aren’t WORTH handling those shit-tests and blah blah blah” here lol)

    “Anyone have any guesses or suggestions on how to best tell when to start ‘getting real’ in an interaction?”

    Look for her qualifying herself and/or chasing you. This’ll be subtle in hot girls, and it’s a little more than an IOI. It’s more about her “exposing herself” or “throwing herself out there” or “making herself vulnerable”.

    The key that goes hand-in-hand with that is “did I EARN this interest?”. That’s where experience and understanding the game comes in. A hooker will go up to the ugliest guy in the room and ask his name, it’s all fake because he didn’t earn it. But a girl who you’ve pushed through some emotions and ran solid game on asking your name, that’s legit.

    Some examples:

    Her: “What do you do?” (setting a hoop for you to qualify yourself with)
    AFC: “I’m an investment banker.” (qualifying yourself by actually answering)
    Her: “oh…” (bored)
    AFC: “…” (no game)
    Her: “So ummm what’s your name?” (no attraction, he didn’t earn this, she’s just filling silence)

    Her: “What do you do?” (hoop)
    AFC: “I work at McDonald’s.” (shitting on hoop)
    Her: “You’re a liar!!” (shit-test)
    AFC: “No, I wouldn’t lie to a girl like you!” or “You got me, I’m really an investment banker” (backtracking, failing shit-test, seeking approval)
    Her: “Wow, that’s SO interesting. You’re so fascinating. What’s your name?” (no attraction, she’s just shit-testing)

    Her: “What do you do?” (hoop)
    PUA: “I work at McDonald’s.” (pass)
    Her: “You’re a liar!!” (shit-test)
    PUA: “No fries for you!” (congruent and passing shit-test)
    Her: “:O OMG…I can’t believe you said that.” (shit-test)
    PUA: “Get used to it, so many things about me are unbelievable.” (congruent/unapologetic and passing shit-test)
    Her: “Oh reall–” (shit-test attempt)
    PUA: “Like how small my penis is. :( ” (shitting on her shit-test attempt)
    Her: “:O” (fried circuits)
    PUA: “It’s like a wet baby carrot.” (congruent/unapologetic and ahead of her, she has to catch-up, like the “No fries for you!!” bit)
    Her: “lololol omg what’s your name??” (legit IOI, exposing herself, time for comfort, because I earned this reaction)

    That’s working off her actions, but you can take the lead yourself if you feel you’re in A3 and you can start to qualify her…So say we take it from here in that last interaction and I want to know where I’m at:

    Her: “:O OMG…I can’t believe you said that.”
    PUA: “Could you ever love a fry chef? You’re hot, but hot girls are usually shallow. You’re not shallow are you?”

    This can branch into two responses:

    1) Her: “oh ya I’m totally shallow.” (not qualifying herself, spike her temperature more then try to get her to qualify again)

    or 2) Her: “noooo I’m not shallow!! I’m so nice!!” (her qualifying herself, now I know I can transition into Comfort…if I get the 1st response, I keep gaming and returning to qualifying until she finally qualifies herself, then I go into Comfort)

    This is why we had those old-school “I love a girl who can cook, can you cook?” routines. Their purpose was to see if the girl would say she can cook (if she’s attracted but can’t cook she’ll lie that she can cook or she’ll apologize that she can’t cook and hope you forgive it) and we’d know we can start transitioning, or if she would say she can’t cook (if she’s not attracted but can cook she’ll play it down or lie that she can’t cook).

    This is all a really subtle chess game and you’ll fuck it up a TON until you get it right. And when you get it right, you’ll run into an some smokin’ hot 10 who loves you way faster than you’re used to and you’ll fuck THAT up. etc. etc. lol

    So pay attention for “did I earn this, have I logically done attractive things in front of or to her?” and “is what she’s doing/saying showing some vulnerability in her iron bitch-shield?” and try throwing out a few “can I get her to qualify herself to me?” bits.

    “she kind of got annoyed and was like ‘ya, well I mean, you’re witty and funny but you just come across like you have a young mindset….like a boy.’”

    Shit-test, when you first meet her you would laugh and shit on this, but because you have more attraction built up (she txted you weeks later with no real interest on your end), you want to dig a bit and let her express herself…to go to the extreme, imagine “I hate when you do that” on the first meet VS two years into a relationship. One’s a shit-test, the other is a concern…if you aren’t sure which it is, just be silent and let her keep talking till you can tell:

    “Her: Yeah, as a woman looking for a man….I’m just thinking ‘okay, is it just jokes and that’s it? Is there anything you take seriously?’”

    Now you know it’s her venting and giving you her Blueprint of what she needs you to be/do/say to get in her pants. She’s attracted and frustrated and basically needs some Comfort.

    “Me: Not much. I think too many people take themselves too fucking seriously, and they’re stupid for it.”

    Really good rant. I use a similar one when girls test me on sex, about how embarrassed everyone is about sex and how life is short and I just do what feels right etc. etc.

    “’ya she likes me SO MUCH that she’s actually TELLING ME WHAT SHE NEEDS right now.’”

    Yep. 100% dead on. This is basically LMR but before the bedroom and before you escalate lol…she’s basically thinking “I WANT to have sex with him, but I NEED him to flip this switch in my mind before I can do it.”

    Ironically, did you notice that this is actually the exact same thing you ran into with the HB8 above when you went back to the McDonald’s thing? The HB8 was telling you “I need you to be real and tell me about yourself” but a lot more subtly, and you did the equivalent of responding to this HB5 with a cocky/funny joke, so the HB8 rolled her eyes and shut down, just like the HB5 would have if you had responded with a joke.

    “Helpful to apply that knowledge to hotter girls? Seems like it.”

    Yep. Like I say, if you ignore their hotness and their actual words and look purely at their intent, they’re both doing the exact same thing: showing vulnerability/interest, asking you to return that, and with the HB8 you snubbed it (got stuck in A3, killed the seduction) but with the HB5 you returned it (entered Comfort, progressed the seduction).

    Like, this is all very very logical when you understand the dynamics. Crazy hey? :)

    “Can you move the interaction to comfort by yourself? What I mean is; rather than waiting on the other side to give you cues on when the convo should start getting real, you can initiate that youself.”

    Right, exactly. This is what I’m describing up above with qualifying them. You can do it with other methods too, like story-telling to see how intently she listens, leaving un-finished conversation tangents in the air to see if they pick them up again, “forgetting” to explain a cold-read until she reminds you, back-turning to see if she tries to get your attention again, role-playing to see if she plays along, etc.

    I like qualifying them because for my style of “I’m jaded and hard to impress because I’ve been with so many women and am so much more sexually experienced than everyone around me” game, qualifying them is efficient and congruent because my value is *IN* my sexual vibe. Like my asking “Where are you from?” isn’t as congruent to my sexual vibe as “Your friend is hot, you two make out when you drink, don’t you.”.

    But for someone who runs more indirect or gentlemanly game or who’s value is more based on their social status, power, captivating a group, etc., stuff like leaving un-finished conversation tangents might be better for them.

    “I’m starting to realize that — even with Nightly — so few guys honestly know what it’s like to be starting from a perceived value deficit, rather than just ‘equal value.’ Anything you get, you honestly earn.”

    lol ya. I only understand it because while physically I’m average looking, I started out from such a massively socially crippled mentality that I was starting from a huge deficit, ESPECIALLY in the bar scene where most people are social and have been social since they were old enough to drink…I was years behind them all and had to claw my way up for a couple years just to become “normal” lol

    I also party with a huuuuge variety of people from all types of backgrounds, looks, careers, status, locations, etc. so I’ve met a few guys who have massive deficits where other people would be like “That guy’s 5’2″ AND ugly?? No way he can get girls!” or “That guy is brown and he’s in a hick town? No WAY he can get white girls!” etc. and I’ve seen the reverse of “that guy has SO many advantages and he STILL can’t get pussy?! WTF that’s ridiculous, I WISH I had his advantages I would destroy this shit!!”

    Don’t worry though, waaaaaayyyyyyy down the road you’ll end up in “unconscious competance” and you’ll find that even YOU don’t see yourself as having deficits. And girls, Naturals, etc. won’t see you as having them either. That sounds like smoke up your ass and it’s not going to happen anytime soon, but it’s there in your future years from now if you keep at this. :)

    “I think you should try to be more of real asshole to these women. Try to lean towards dominating them socially, less dancing monkey. ”

    This part I agree with, but it’ll come with time so don’t stress it too much yet. You’re already learning little bits and pieces of it like grabbing her arm to turn her around etc. The key is that you can’t force this, it has to be legit. If you just tried “the arm grab turn around maneuver” it would bomb, but it worked because you had 100% intent behind it. As you gain more experience talking with girls you’ll legit start to care less about offending them, and you’ll develop stricter standards of what behavior you accept from them, and you’ll be less afraid to express yourself, and you’ll become more “assertive” (VS asshole lol) which will result in you Naturally doing stuff like “Hey, don’t be rude, woman.” with full intent because it legitimately crosses lines of acceptable behavior in your mind.

    “Just try to play it more aloof and cool”

    Aloof/cool only works when the girl sees you as high-value already. As a short guy who’s still new to this stuff, Scray doesn’t spark enough attraction on first sight/approach to play aloof/cool yet.

    “When in doubt, just view these club rats for what they are disposable cum rags. :D

    ehhh…there’s a lot of cool chicks out there.

    • Scray
      on May 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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      ‘Aloof/cool only works when the girl sees you as high-value already’

      This! I mean, I have a vision of how I want to be on approach now — just like, a DHV blitzkrieg. That’s going to involve being high-energy, extremely self-amusing, etc. I can’t get away with the whole Don Draper style.

      Like, the best moments in this are where it’s like ‘why do I have to do X, him or him don’t have to do X….it’s not fair’ and I just remember the Tyler ‘BECAUSE YOU SUCK SHIT, THAT’S WHY. YOU SUCK SHIT AND YOU HAVE TO.’ So…then I’ll go try whatever. It really does help to appreciate whatever little things you get. Like, there’s a girl (like a 7) that runs in high-value social circles that I run into sometimes.

      Me: Ya, fell in love with this girl in Jamaica. I hate when I do that
      Her: Oh yeah, why?
      Me: Because I just lie a lot. I promised that I’d buy her America. You know, shit like that.
      Her: (she snickers) That could be a problem.
      Me: Oh hey, that’s a nice ring you got on your finger. There’s a 24k diamond ring at Mary Kay on display right now. If you go there and drop my name, it’s yours. (I say this in a ‘hey guuuuurl’ tone)
      Her: (she giggles loudly — it’s the right kind of giggle. I say a lot of shit to a lot of diff people now, and I can recognize the ‘hahaha that’s funny LITTLE BROTHER’ laugh vs. the ‘hahahaha….stooooop it’ laugh)

      So I just constantly wonder, why do things like the above…work? How can I turn things like the above into a deeper connection?

      Here’s another dynamic I’ve noticed — all my social circles are filled with high value people. I don’t hang out with any ‘losers.’ What I read on a lot of PUA sites is shit like ‘ya your friends all probably suck’ or whatever. But that isn’t the case with me. Most of my guys friends slay poon. Like….how can I be so low-value to girls but run in high value circles?

      Last, hanging out with high value guys does put you on the radar of high value girls.
      Ex: Talking with Natural friend blah blah blah. Then Natural friend talks to 8.5 girl for a bit. I don’t say anything, I just talk to someone else. (Social circle shit…I don’t want to fuck up with an 8.5, I’ll wait) Then she’s like
      ‘ya, that’s right Scriy’ (purposefully mispronouncing my name)
      ‘that’s right, I’m taking it to the next level…’
      (short circuits, why is this hot girl talking to me all of a sudden…just remain silent)

      btw, Nightly pussed out of opening those hot blondes and opened some uggos instead.

      Ya, see, I’m just noticing so many things and trying to figure out what they all mean lol. Can’t wait for school to be over so that I can just start hammering this shit out 4-7 nights a week.

      • YaReallyMIA
        on May 1, 2013 at 5:30 pm
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        “So I just constantly wonder, why do things like the above…work?”

        Self amusement. What you feel, she feels. If you think you’re funny and you’re coming from a place where you fully believe that what you’re saying/doing has value, she’ll feel that too. She’s looking at your sub-communications to determine how to feel about what you’re saying/doing. This is why if you approach half-assed, you’ll bomb, or if you approach with “gimmicky” routines, she’ll sniff out the incongruence and fail you. But when you’re just fucking around 100% outcome independent, it says you’re not trying to impress her which implies you don’t need to fuck her which implies that you have other girls you can fuck which implies that other girls like you which makes her like you because other girls like you. Big self-feeding DHV loop, instigated by your amusing yourself instead of trying to impress her.

        “How can I turn things like the above into a deeper connection?”

        You have to push it and lead, she won’t do it for you, and part of what builds the attraction is your willingness to risk rejection…even if you get shot down, as long as you play it off in a cool/casual non-butthurt way, you gain some attraction. This is why we can get rejected for the kiss a few times but she still sticks around and on the next time she’s into the makeout…each rejection you handle unphased builds toward the future success. But like I say, you have to be the one leading the interaction toward that.


        “Me: Because I just lie a lot. I promised that I’d buy her America. You know, shit like that.”
        “Her: (she snickers) That could be a problem.”
        “Me: Oh hey, that’s a nice ring you got on your finger. There’s a 24k diamond ring at Mary Kay on display right now. If you go there and drop my name, it’s yours.”
        “Her: (she giggles loudly)”

        I would do something like:

        Me: That’s not a wedding ring is it? Are you MARRIED?? Why do you flirt with me so much when you already have a man at home taking care of your eight children, you whore!
        Her: OMG no it’s my grandmother’s ring she–
        Me: I don’t think your grandmother would approve of your whoring ways either, young lady. Now would you quit staring at me with those man-eating eyes? I’m not a piece of meat. I have thoughts and feelings, you know. Why can’t you love me for who I am on the inside instead of all my outside beauty?”
        Her: (should pretty much have her circuits fried and just be giggling and going “OMG” here)
        Me: (grab her around the hips and pull her in, laser eyes up close) It’s okay, I forgive you. We can’t help all this chemistry between us.

        At that point I’d be doing some triangular gazing (eyes down to lips, back up to eyes, google for details) and scanning for how attracted she is and whether I can go for the makeout or not.

        All I’m doing up there is doing some push/pull, roleplaying, pushing her through an emotional rollercoaster (“you whore!” “quit staring at me!” “it’s okay, I forgive you” etc.), implying we have chemistry and assuming attraction, etc. You have a spark of attraction at her giggling about the 24k ring, you can tell by how she giggles…so that’s the point where a PUA goes “alright there’s a spark here, now I’ll start fanning it into a flame, and then a bush-fire”, while a normal guy goes “it seems like she might like me but wtf do I do with that knowledge?” and the spark dies out.

        Keep in mind she might giggle and go “OMG you’re crazy!!” and squirm away when I’m talking about our chemistry, especially depending on the environment and isolation and all that shit…but that’s fine, I just laugh it off with a wink and walk away and I know she’ll be thinking about me in a positive/attracted light from then on because I made my “Man to Woman” intent known and handled the rejection (which in my mind is more handling her silly girl shyness and not anything to do with me or my attractiveness) smoothly and without seeming butt-hurt. So the next time she allows herself to be isolated with me, she knows exactly what my intent is and that’s basically her giving me permission to try again and she’ll probably be into it if I’ve handled logistics, isolation, ASD, LMR, etc. properly.

        Think of it like if you knew a guy was going to stab you the second you were alone together, would you EVER be alone with that guy? Fuck no. Even if you were in the same social circle, you’d make sure you were never alone with them. Now say you knew he was going to give you a million dollars when you’re alone but everyone would judge you for taking the million? You would sub-consciously foster a situation where you two “end up” alone together.

        “all my social circles are filled with high value people. I don’t hang out with any ‘losers.’”

        Good, you’re lucky, you’re starting at an advantage. There are drawbacks to it (having to compete with them more, Naturals etc can be a handful to be friends with, esp when you’re advancing up in the ranks of the group), but the benefits outweigh them. A lot of PUAs spend the first couple years just making higher-value social circles so they can start where you’re starting from.

        “how can I be so low-value to girls but run in high value circles?”

        ’cause girls don’t give a shit whether you’re 6’4″, have 6-pack abs, have a million dollars, have a nice condo, have a good career, have the coolest friends in the world, etc. All that gets their vaginas flipping out is whether you know how to handle women.

        Your high-value circles also love having you because you make them look better. Imagine how boss a PUA instructor looks when he’s running a bootcamp where he’s spent the day with guys hanging on his every word and then he’s in the club ordering them around and they’re looking at him like he’s the coolest guy in the world to them…that’s been you, sub-consciously in your body-language etc., till you started getting into this. It’s not a malicious thing, they’re not consciously calculating “having Scray follow me around all night and be impressed when I hit on girls will make me look more attractive to girls”, it’s just social dynamics. Every group has some lower status guys in it…as long as you’re not a threat, you’re welcome to stay in the group.

        That’s why I say you might get push-back from them when you try to rise up in the ranks. A lot of Naturals are selfish and want to stay top-dog, and won’t like you leaving your low-status role…same time, some of them will support and encourage you. Those guys are your real friends.

        “hanging out with high value guys does put you on the radar of high value girls.”

        Yep. But they won’t fuck you unless you have game. Witness Neil Strauss hanging around rock/porn-stars but not being able to get laid. VS Brandon Novak who hangs with Bam Margera and basically fucks anything that comes near Bam:

        It’s the same with money, looks, career, etc. They’ll get a girl to notice you exist, and a lot of guys think that’s all it takes and then sex magically happens, but the reality is there are a million places for the guy to fuck up along the way to sex and most of these guys DO fuck it up. Or don’t push it as fast/efficient as they could.

        “btw, Nightly pussed out of opening those hot blondes and opened some uggos instead.”

        lol hey at least he’s opening SOMETHING…try heading out with a guy who won’t open ANYTHING, it’s brutal.

        “Ya, see, I’m just noticing so many things and trying to figure out what they all mean lol.”

        It’ll all click together in time. You’ve got a box of puzzle pieces you’ve dumped onto the table and keep finding new ones…down the road it’ll all click in your head when the concepts sink into your sub-conscious and you gain enough reference experience to really understand them. The thing to keep in mind is that this all DOES click together in the end, every concept in game interconnects with a bunch of other concepts, and in the end you get a logical consistent roadmap for how social dynamics work and how to consistently build attraction and seduce women and lead your social circles etc.

        It’s like the dude in Rounders says: “Why does this still seem like gambling to you? Why do you think the same five guys make it to the final table at the World Series of Poker every single year? What are they, the luckiest guys in Las Vegas? It’s a skill game.”

        Keep it up! :)

        • Scray
          on May 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm
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          ‘That’s why I say you might get push-back from them when you try to rise up in the ranks’

          Ya, everything you said is correct. But, the good news is that I -am- starting to build an identity. In the original circle I’ve kind of become the ‘space cadet’ guy who does his own thing, in the newest circle I’ve become the ‘clown’ guy who doesn’t take anything seriously, to another circle i’m just the guy who ‘flirts a lot.’

          But, while it’s challenging, I kind of enjoy working to force an identity change down people’s throats. The victories are all small, but they’re there.

          What do you think the biggest keys are to slowly changing your identity over time? Just doing what the fuck you feel like and holding your frame when a) no one responds to it or b) everyone applies social pressure?

          • YaReallyMIA
            on May 2, 2013 at 3:18 am
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            “the good news is that I -am- starting to build an identity.”
            :) Good to hear, and good to hear that you can tell this is happening. I know the concept of “what is my identity?” is kind of weird at first because we’re brought up to not believe we HAVE an identity…we’re conditioned by society to fit ourselves into the same “be polite to women, accept what society allows you to have, and settle into a mediocre life until you die” identity. So the notion that you can be someone else is like, wait, what? I’m ALLOWED to state my opinion? And to call people out when they do something I don’t approve of? Even if it hurts their feelings?? The world won’t end if someone doesn’t like me?! That’s OKAY?? lol

            But identity isn’t something you can just snap into overnight, it’s something you forge out of reference experience. That’s why guys who go through, say, prison or war, have a strong identity…they forged that through life experience. Whereas some generic silicon valley office beta has no identity, he hasn’t been challenged in life or challenged himself to figure that stuff out. That’s why you HAVE to go out and get field experience…you can’t arm-chair jockey your way into an identity, you know? At least not an identity beyond “arm-chair jockey” (and you can build a VERY strong identity around that as some posters here demonstrate regularly lol it just doesn’t translate into being attractive/charismatic in real life)

            “What do you think the biggest keys are to slowly changing your identity over time? Just doing what the fuck you feel like and holding your frame when a) no one responds to it or b) everyone applies social pressure?”

            This is basically it. It’s giving yourself permission to fully express yourself and your feelings in the moment, and then not apologizing for that when people try to pressure you into betraying those feelings. It’s also trying new things that you haven’t done before, stepping outside of your comfort zone, to discover what things “click” with you.

            One of the big things that slows guys’ progress at pickup up is “That’s not me.” They’re still attached to their old identities so you say “go approach that girl direct” and they go “it’s cool that you can do that, and that works for you, but that’s not ME…” and refuse to experiment with it. They won’t step outside their comfort zone, and if you aren’t willing to cross the line and explore both sides of the pendulum swing, you won’t be able to find that happy middle-ground that clicks for you.

            Here’s Julien on forcing yourself out of your comfort zone:

            The great part about being a newbie is that pretty much EVERYTHING you’re doing is outside of your comfort zone right now. It’s awesome, that’s why you’ll make a ton of progress fast at the start. Even approaching is out of your comfort zone so you grow just from doing that. Hell, maybe even going out every week is out of your comfort zone, you know? It all counts and it all adds up.

            Down the road when you’re where I am, it’s harder to get out of your comfort zone because I’ve done so much shit that it’s difficult to find stuff that gives me that “o shit o shit” adrenaline rush. So it’s easier for me to plateau and stagnate and get bored with the whole thing, or slack off and lose my skills (like stopping going to the gym and ending up out of shape), because it all becomes routine. The trade-off is that my identity is rock solid. This pushing is why my game has developed into such a fucked up style where I can’t really pass my “routines” on to other guys (’cause they’ll get their asses kicked trying them), because I had to keep pushing myself further and further out of my comfort zone to the point where I’m doing shit that other guys overhear and are like “I can’t believe he said that, and I can’t believe she LIKES it?! wtf?!”

            There was a point where I came off like an asexual dancing monkey like every newbie, and there was a point where I dropped my first sexual opener while scared shitless that they’d slap me or call a bouncer, and there was a point where I started trying to always be sexual because I had slowly gained enough reference experience for my brain to say “okay, we can do this, we’re getting good responses from it”, and there was a point where my vibe overall became sexual like it is now. If you met me back when I started this, or even a couple years into it, you wouldn’t even recognize me as the same guy lol

            “The victories are all small, but they’re there.”

            This is what it comes down to. Tiny little victories. That’s why I encourage you to celebrate all the little things, they ARE the change that’s happening. It’s not going to be like a light-switch flips one day and you’re a bad-ass…it’s going to be “I’ve had 50 girls giggle at what I say and now I think most of the time I can tell the difference between a “little brother” giggle and an “omg you’re such an asshole” attracted giggle”. Like THAT’s the change, happening right there in those little victories.

            This is again why we stress going out so much. You can memorize all the theory and read all the books and watch all the videos and seminars you want, but if you aren’t out there applying it, you’re not reprogramming anything, you’re just bogging your mind down with useless theory.

            This is probably my fav Tyler video, because I was around in the old-school culture he talks about in here where “field experience is king”:

            The field will shove all your sticking points in your face. If your identity isn’t strong, the field will shove that in your face until it IS strong. If you get shit on and don’t stand up for yourself and set a boundary, but you go out regularly, you will keep getting shit on, until you DO stand up for yourself and set a boundary. A guy who sits around reading theory all day but not going out will never develop that…he’ll have it in MIND, from his reading, but when push comes to shove, he will fall back on his actual real life reference experience, which is to let himself get shit on.

            Even if you didn’t end up getting laid from this, which is pretty much impossible because you have a great attitude/determination…but even if you didn’t get laid from this, after like 3 years of going out, if you don’t even SEE a vagina, you will still grow a SHITLOAD as a man and your identity will become rock solid, which helps in other parts of your life aside from women. Like, there are so many benefits to this that you won’t even realize some of them until you run into them and unconsciously steamroll through a sticky situation and realize “oh, wow, that was a reflex from my pickup shit”, that any guys focusing purely on “well how many chicks did you fuck this week Scray? See? This PUA stuff is bogus!!” will just not be able to comprehend why you keep going out.

Why Are Men With Dark Triad Personalities So Irresistible To Women?

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via Heartiste

on April 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm
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So, as I bumble through this, some other patterns have started appearing in social interactions.

…earlier in day…
Me: [opens community fridge] Hey, are these anyone’s burgers?
Cute7: (shakes her head laughs) you are such an asshole…
Me: (legit confused) What?
Cute7: You’re going to eat someone else’s food.
Me: So it belongs to someone?
Cute7: I’m sure it does.
Me: Thanks for answering my question.
(I put them back and take out a fruit tray that someone else told me I could have the rest of)
Me: You want some of this fruit, X said I could have the rest.
Cute7: Oh, well in that case, sure.
(I make my plate, then I turn to her)
Me: You want a green one?
Cute7: Yes.
(I give her one, then I stand there…smile)
Me: You want another one…?
Cute7: (laughs) Just give me the thing…
(I don’t fight or anything, I just go to sit across the room and then she’s like…)
Cute7: He probably didn’t even say we could have any.
Me: Oh so you think I lied to you
Cute7: Yes. (turns, starts talking to another girl, who laughs at the exchange) He does rude things.

—> later we’re all hanging out, and I’m just being me, which…at this point is kind of like a bull in a china shop. Lots of mistakes, lots of false starts. So my other male friend, GoodlookingMcCoolGuy is there. There are two girls on either side of her that are Plain6 and Cold7….so —

Me: So, Plain6 – -
Cute7: Hey, that’s not her name.
Me: Plain6?
Cute7: It’s Plain6.0 (said almost sternly, but in a not-give-a-fuck way — it was a minor minor quibble)
Me: Oh…how rude of me.
Cute7: Yeah, you are rude! Earlier today he was going to eat someone else’s food, and he lied to me about some other food…blah blah blah tells story to group.

Plain6: Ya, I’m like a type A personality
Me: Ya me too, I get so stressed about class sometimes. [joking]
Cute7: Ya, you were probably real stressed those two times you actually went.

That’s the pattern. It’s like….am I misreading something when there’s less people around/it’s more chill? What’s the point of the tooling? I don’t really understand it. Like, she has no problem being nice or saying nice things to my friend, GoodlookingMcCoolGuy…plus, it’s not like she delivers these lines with a ton of fire or anything. Her bf was two seats down (they were having two separate conversations — barely talked, but I guess that could be alpha or whatever). She followed the only compliance test I tried to give, which was ‘hey, do a dance move right now.’ She said ‘no…’ then I just kept looking at her, and she did it. Then, she did it again when I asked. CaptainAMOG tried the same thing,,,/denied.

Anyway, the pattern is just an earlier more chill interaction that I read as ‘oh, hey I did something right…seemed like she liked something there…’ gets turned around on me later. It’s happened more than a few times.

Any thoughts appreciated

Went to the club again last night. Only opened hot sets –7.5+. It was terrible. I’m terrible. I suck at it :D and my only go to strategy when all the words rush from my head is to just say. exactly. how. i. feel. Lol. Ya…so you can just imagine that….11 times. Ugh.

  • YaReallyAWOL
    on April 27, 2013 at 4:20 am
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    Hey dude. I’m AWOL with some shit right now. Saw this tho, so quickie advice:

    Shit-testing chick wants to fuck you. Doesn’t matter that you work or go to school with her, doesn’t matter that her bf is there, doesn’t matter how much drama it would be, none of that is relevant. Read Rollo’s article on “Hypergamy doesn’t care…” The point is that there’s a spark you could turn into a flame if you wanted.

    You probably SHOULDN’T. But just because you shouldn’t act on it doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be aware that it’s THERE.

    “But yareally, why is she being such a dickhead to me? ESP in public?”

    What did you learn from way back in field report like 3 I think? Where you were in the food place and the girl asked your opinion on love and you didn’t cave? What happened? She invited the guys at your table into the convo. And you still didn’t cave. So THEN what happened? She invited the hot waitress into the convo to try to social pressure you into caving.

    So why does this other girl give you so much shit when everyone’s around and tell other girls you’re an asshole that steals good etc? …AND YET, she complies to dancing for you.

    Like, ignore the bullshit Oprah Dr Phil MSM brainwashing of what signals from girls are…think PURELY about what you’ve learned from PUA and the Manosphere. Cut out all emotions and look at 100% logic of the situ. Hell, ignore whether her BF is alpha or not. Focus on you and her and your vibe. Zoom in.

    She is doing the exact same thing as the other girl, calling in more social pressure for backup.


    Because you won’t cave to her. And if you don’t cave to all the social pressure she brings in, what happens? You know the answer to this. :)

    People will tell you to take the whole picture into account. And to consider her bf and her social life and reputation and job/school security and social circle drama all these other consequences…and those ARE things to consider. Like you should be AWARE that “this opportunity is here, if I take it it will cause these consequences”. But you need to learn that these windows exist and are THERE for you to take.

    Down the road your buddies’ GF’s will flirt with you. Hardcore. While holding your buddies’ hand. And you will think “wtf this is fucked” but your buddy won’t have a clue it’s even going on, right in front of him.

    BUT…whether you take these opportunities or not is up to you in the moment. And it’s something you have to develop in time. Maybe you got shot down by 11 girls but is that better than causing chaos in a co-worker/classmate’s boyfriend’s life? Maybe if you play dumb they’ll have kids and live a happy life together forever. Maybe if you escslate things you’ll save her from a shitty unsatisfying life she’d eat pray love her way out of with some other cock down the road and destroy her children’s stable future. These are your decisions to make and you need to consciously make them and make them 100% based on YOU and YOUR morals ethics and boundaries.

    A lot of guys in the manosphere think I’m a shitty asshole with no morals…but I DO have them. I have a personal code I never break. But that code is based on ME and MY thoughts, beliefs and experiences, it’s not something I let someone else determine FOR me because I have so little life experience that I have to look to religion, society, AMOG douches (hi, King A), etc to determine what my values are. My values for this area are based off my excessive amount of personal experience in this area. I don’t care at all whether someone else approves or doesn’t approve of where my lines are drawn or flexible.

    Cause I have buddies on both ends of the spectrums. I know the nicest dudes in the world who would babysit a girl with a boyfriend and completely altruistically just be looking after her and make sure she got home safe n sound. Same time I know guys who get OFF on fucking married girls, the more fucked up it sounds the better to them.

    At the end of the day you have to decide whether to pursue it or not…BUT, to be in the position to make that decision, you have to be aware that that fork in the road is THERE. In front of you. And that you can pick which way to go.

    Like, this sounds like mental masturbation probably, like “oh every girl wants to fuck me” but it’s not delusional at all. It’s simply understanding the cues are there, whether you act or not. Like knowing you’re IN the Matrix even if you enjoy the steak in front of you.

    This is what gives us the edge over normal guys. Normal guys can’t see these things. They aren’t aware of the subtleties. They get the ball and instead or running with it they question whether they deserve it and pass it off to someone else. I am FULLY aware of when a girl ISN’T into me. Like, it happens. But the instant things pass a certain line of X, I know “okay, shit just got real. If I want this I can pursue it…maybe I DON’T want it and won’t pursue it, but I’m aware that it’s THERE.”

    A LOT of natural guys are amazing up to the point where they have to actually acknowledge that the girl is into they flirt it up and you’re like “wow she loves you” but they’re like “no she’s just being friendly” and talk themselves out of it. It’s tragic. We’re better than that lol that’s why we “assume attraction”.

    The Q to ask yourself is: why does she talk smack and be mean to you, but is nice and complimenting to GoodLooking McCoolGuy?

    Like, break that down for us. What is the difference in how you two behave around her, and what is the different in the vibe between you guys and her, and if you wipe all out all emotion/logic, which of you is she responding *more emotionally* to? Good emotions, bad emotions, doesn’t matter, which of you does she feel more intense/opposing/captivating/frustrating/etc emotions toward? You or the Cap’n?

    • YaReallyAWOL
      on April 27, 2013 at 4:35 am
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      Also for anyone wondering about the triad test my score was something like 60 50 60, middle of the road style. I figure if I had to take the test before I found pickup when I was a shy hermit I’d have like 10s all around, and if I had to take the test a couple years into discovering pickup I’d be 90s all around…but ultimately way down the road years later eventually you make it thru to the other side and chill a bit and grow and you become the middle of the road where you look after “number one” but also legitimately enjoy giving value to the people around you, which is how I would describe myself these days…I love helping other people whether its with game knowledge on the Internet or whether its spreading good/fun vibes in person in real life, but I also put myself first and don’t sabotage my own happiness for other people who wouldn’t put me first if the situation was reversed. Like I don’t look at my skills as “these are tools I can use to make my life better”, I look at them as “these are tools I can use to make everyone around me, including myself’s, life better.”

      I think that’s, ultimately, the healthiest outlook, and I think it’s what causes you to get middle-range scores on the dark triad test. I would bet that most advanced PUAs get a similar score to me and most newbies/intermediates follow the 10/90 pattern.

on April 27, 2013 at 7:56 am
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Hey YaReally,

I’m a lurker who has never really participated in the comments sections (despite reading nearly everything I could find, including this blog, for years). It’s thanks to your comments that I’ve finally to decided to start practicing.

2 things:

1. I’ve been working on daygame, but it takes me forever to approach the hottest girls I see, either in coffee shops or walking down the street (I live near a pretty big city that I commute to from the suburbs). Mostly because whenever I DO approach, I put on this “boy meets girl” schtick that Tyler talked about in one of his vids:


2. I’m very broke (like, I have student loans and I don’t make anywhere near enough money to pay them back, let alone have a place to live that’s closer to the city). I’m still looking for a better job than the one I have now (which pays pretty poorly to be honest).

Just so you know, I’m fully committed to doing whatever it takes to get this handled. Thanks again for all your comments here. No matter what anyone thinks, they’re highly appreciated.

  • YaReallyAWOL
    on April 27, 2013 at 3:58 pm
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    Hey man! Thanks for the props!

    1) Daygame is tough to get social momentum going in, which is what makes approaching hotter girls in trickier situations easier and being “on your game” with them easier.

    Like put a hottie in a nightclub where I’m bouncing from girl to girl socializing and kissing randoms and spinning girls and having fun and approaching that hottie is easy and I’ll be sharp as fuck when I do it and say anything on my mind, which all spirals into good things.

    But put that same hottie walking down the street, after I’ve been working all day and haven’t talked to anyone and took a bus across the city and been wandering around “looking for sets to open” etc and without all that momentum it’s tougher to approach and even tougher to own the interaction and it’s easy to end up putting on a “shtick” because your real self doesn’t feel warmed up to jump in, ya know?

    Tyler talks about some Daygame stuff here:

    But if you’re too young to hit the bars or whatever to rack up massive experience faster, then you gotta make do with what you got and keep at the Daygame. Just don’t beat yourself up too bad for choking, the fact that you’re even out there attempting this is more than 90% of guys could do with a gun to their head lol

    2) Doesn’t matter. Esp if you’re young, chicks don’t care. A lot of us had to travel to bigger cities/areas to get our training in so don’t feel like you’re alone on that. If we could push thru it, you can.

    But from my own experience the two biggest problems with having to travel to game and having no money were:

    a) I can leave the house pumped and psyched up, but that 40 min slow bus ride with a couple scary homeless people sitting beside me means that by the time I actually GET to downtown, that’s all worn off and I’m “out of it” again.

    I fought this one by putting energetic club music on my phone and listening to it during the bus ride, bobbing my head to the beat (change your physiology, change your state) etc. and visualizing being out partying. So I’d get off the bus and still be feeling ready to rock. Maybe carry some tunes with you for the slow down-time between sets when you’re out and about.

    b) living far and having no money or living with parents etc means having to learn to push for going to the girl’s place. Hell a lot of times I prefer that, I like the adventure and sometimes I’d rather a girl doesn’t know where I live lol

    So really not having money just fucks your logistics up. The girls themselves don’t give a fuck (unless they can sense that you’re insecure about being poor, because “what you feel, she feels” so she’ll think it’s something you SHOULD feel insecure about because you’re leading her that way).

    If you’re getting questions like “how much do you make?” or “what do you do for work?” (said with that tone of like, she’s screening you to see if you’re a doctor/lawyer), that means you’re not captivating her emotions enough to keep her hamster spinning so she’s reverting to her default programming.

    Think of it like a girl’s hamster is on one track, toward qualifying you as a long term provider. If you distract her hamster with shiny objects (cold reads, teasing, qualifying, role playing, rapport, comfort, etc etc), it’ll wander off track chasing the shiny objects. But if you stop being emotionally interesting so the shiny objects are gone, the hamster will wander back to its track and resume from there.

    Once you’ve attracted her enough, the hamster says “fuck the track, the track is for other guys, THIS one is different” and she gladly accepts your faults/shortcomings and will even rationalize that they’re what she likes about you (“I loooove your tummy baby, it makes me feel protected when I hug you”, “he’s poor but he’s an artist he’s so passionate about his art not like those soulless iBankers”)

    This is why I can approach with ugly shoes and no flashy Rolex watch and wearing a t-shirt and admit not having a car etc. if I want..because her hamster is so busy reacting to the emotions I’m pushing we through that she literally can’t process those other things and so her hamster never gets to run down her “check what kind of shoes he wears” track with me. By the time she notices my faults, she’s attracted enough that I’m an exception to her and they’re not relevant.

    This is also why you get the “custom tailored suit” guys who are convinced that girls care about the material of their suit or whether their belt matches their shoes or whether their haircut cost $80 or $20 or whether they have 18% body fat or 19% body fat or whether they have 2″ lifts in their shoes, etc.

    “Coincidentally” these tend to be the guys who try to act like a smooth suave chill James Bond at the bar (ie – they’re boring).

    For those guys that stuff DOES matter because they’re not interesting enough to the girl and don’t cause enough of an emotional reaction to her to distract her hamster so she runs down the screening track and yes, they absolutely need those things on that track, to get the girl.

    So don’t stress it. Just understand that it means you’ll have to be more creative/strategic with logistics when you pull girls.

    Good luck, massive props for going out and taking control of this part of your life! It’s slow-going but you’re doing something 90% of guys could never dream of doing. :)

Nauseating Beta Male ODA

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on April 12, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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I am allllll about the PDA. Love it. The more blatant and obnoxious and inappropriate, the better.

When I’m out with a girl there’s almost no time where my hand isn’t on the small of her back or around her shoulder or cuddling her with my arms wrapped around her from behind while we chit-chat with whoever, or my fingers stroking her back or thigh or holding hands as we walk. I have Asian friends who don’t even sit beside their girl when we’re out, they’re so asexual it’s surreal to me. You would never guess which of then are actually together.

I love causing a scene with PDAs. I am the couple making out in completely inappropriate public places while you whisper “ugh they should get a room”. I’m the annoying couple on the dance floor who everyone has to give a wide berth because we’re bumping into everyone as we raunchily suck face and I carry her, legs wrapped around my waist, to pin her against a wall like nobody around us exists. I’m the couple who comes back from the bathroom with sex hair and untucked shirts. I’m the couple who everyone in the room is talking about by the end of the night, the guys talking smack and the girls verbally agreeing but not being able to take their eyes off us because they secretly wish their man had the balls to not give a shit what anyone thinks and just take them.

But the difference is that my PDAs are done in an alpha way, like I’m claiming ownership of her, vs begging for her attention. And my PDAs are reciprocated instead of looked at as an embarrassing hassle. I remember some show where the chick said her favorite thing about her dude was how he’d reach his hand back for her to take, without looking back at her, like he just knew she’d take it and she could trust him to lead them. It’s that kind of thing. Plus I can handle any of the shit-talk people say to us (from “ugh could you guys knock it off?” complaints to “WOO!! Nice!!” cheers) and I create a “bubble of love” feeling for her, where she falls into my frame that nobody else matters. While she wouldn’t normally be PDA’ing like that, my frame of “no, fuck everyone else, they’re jealous of us and WISH they wanted eachother this bad” is transferred to her via “what you feel, she feels”.

The funny part to me that I noticed when I had my first GF and was first hanging out with her friends, is that say we’d all go out to a bar for drinks, like 3 or 4 of us couples. By displaying massive PDAs unashamedly from the minute I walk in, at first the couples are all sitting away from eachother, like polite zero PDA type shit…then they act kind of grossed out or roll their eyes at us. But as the night goes on, the girls start being more and more jealous of my girl and craving that kind of affection from their guy. By the end of the night those frigid couples are making out like teenagers, all horny as fuck, and when we all head home I imagine they all go home to fuck eachother’s brains out.

This is really consistent and you can see the same psyche phenomenon with other things. Like this dancing guy:

You’ll see this same thing in bars every weekend…no one wants to be the first on the dance floor. Till the drunk bachelorette chicks go out there and unapologetically embarrass themselves…THEN everyone else will jump in. They set the precedent that its okay to dance.

Same with like, food at a function…everyone’s hungry but no one wants to be the first to take food. Once the obnoxious fat guy storms in going “sweet, free food!!” and unapologetically scoops some up, everyone feels like they have permission to as well.

I’m doing the same thing but with a sexual theme. Leading and unapologetically setting the precedent that “it’s okay to touch and kiss your girl at this table, it’s fine to be turned on, don’t be embarrassed about your sexuality here, there’s no judgement”. The rest of the people around us follow my lead and everyone finds themselves acting way out of normal character, to the point where the next day they’re almost confused/embarrassed about how raunchy they behaved in public because they don’t normally do that an they’re no longer in the bubble where it felt fine so they’re like “I don’t know what came over us!!”

Anyway, there’s my vote in favor of PDAs lol Now it’s Friday night so I’m off to go make people roll their eyes and mutter “get a room”. :D

She’s Got Legs And She Knows How To Use Them

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on April 12, 2013 at 3:09 am
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sillythrowaway0 writes a solid guide on how to kiss, to help out a 21yo virgin. It gets posted to Jezebel with a massive “this is all rape and creepy” article. sillythrowaway0 takes on the entire onslaught of old ugly fat cat ladies on Jezzie calm, cool, collected, and unapologetic like a boss.

Alpha of the month! lol

on April 12, 2013 at 5:52 am
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Although OT, everyone must read this article. It’s too funny:

The Marriage Proposal Expert (a woman, of course):

Woman Marriage Proposal Expert>

  • Nomennovum
    on April 12, 2013 at 6:12 am
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    The woman’s boyfriend is Beta of the month.

    • YaReally
      on April 12, 2013 at 10:57 am
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      goddamn……he….and then she….and the pictures….and now he’s……..

      w-why….?? why does this exist?!?

      Beta of the ETERNITY. And just makes me sad as a man. Every guy we introduce to the red pill is saved this guy’s fate…photographs of him begging a hideous, completely ungrateful, over-entitled fatty who literally created and promotes her business venture based around slagging on her fiancé.

      And the guy is giving it another go…I don’t even…

Hey You

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on April 10, 2013 at 10:52 am
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Bullseye for CH, as usual.
Though i personally think of it more as the “purr”, like a cat is sounding through her voice.
Me: Hi? Anybody of you got a lighter?
She: Ohh yeeees! (Think: Meoow! Fish!)

  • corvinus
    on April 10, 2013 at 11:44 am
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    Throaty cooing laugh = dtf

    • anonYmous
      on April 10, 2013 at 2:02 pm
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      One thing that I haven’t really done well in the past is have something at my pad that women would find interesting, like a collection of scenic pictures or art for instance. That way when you get the Hey you! you can automatically escalate into getting isolated with her by working your art/photos/odd collection of medieval torture devices so you can invite her over to look at it. cooking also helps, learn how to cook one thing really well. I openly proclaim to be the best steak and veggie griller in the world. LOL one time I even got a babe over by asking her to help clean my pad. heh.

      One question for the group, having trouble turning SNL’s into FWB’s. Anyone have any suggestions on how I could get better at this. I have no trouble pulling chicks but getting them into my FWB zone is difficult for me. I have little contact with them and they usually dont contact me again. If I send them a hey whats up and usually get cold responses. Or they seem warm for a few days and then it gets cold. For whorefinder, no I havent tried CLOWN RAPE.

      • YaReally
        on April 11, 2013 at 4:10 am
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        “I have no trouble pulling chicks but getting them into my FWB zone is difficult for me. I have little contact with them and they usually dont contact me again. If I send them a hey whats up and usually get cold responses. Or they seem warm for a few days and then it gets cold.”

        Usually this is the result of one of the two ends of the spectrum (I don’t know you well enough to guess which one it is). Either:

        1) You’ve got some beta in you that still seeps out and you do a little too much “romantic” stuff and the chick worries you’ll be a Stage 5 needy clinger type. You can fix this by dropping some comfort/rapport stuff about not looking for a serious relationship, not being boyfriend material, being too busy with work etc. to have a relationship that’s anything more than casual, make sure not to try to see them more than once a week, etc. Basically to counter the clingy vibe.

        Or 2) You’re so far into the aloof/SNL zone that girls assume you have no interest in them beyond sex and they’re getting Buyer’s Remorse and feeling like you don’t REALLY want to see them again, you just want a fuck-hole. You can fix this by building more comfort/rapport, especially after sex. Stuff like qualifying them (“you know I don’t let many girls stay over, I usually make up having a fake business meeting in the morning, but you’re fun to talk to…not many girls genuinely make me laugh.”) and using Riker’s 3 Rules (google it), txting them a “had fun get home safe sexy” txt after they leave after banging, try to arrange to meet up with them at least once a week, etc.

        Like I say, they’re two ends of the spectrum. I don’t know which one you lean more towards, but you should be able to figure that out yourself and start adjusting from there.

        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2013 at 11:03 am
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          Oh and 3) you might be a shitty lay lol figure out if this is the case first. :D

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm
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            All good, don’t stress it too much. We all lost chicks at the start…the important thing is that you figure out where things are consistently breaking down and try mixing up what you do there till you get it to work.

            If they’re eagerly jumping into bed (vs it being a major uphill battle to go from the couch to actual sex) then somewhere between “about to have sex” and “the next day” is your sticking point which narrows it down. If its a battle to get them to actually have sex then they’re going cold because your pre-sex stuff was probably one of those two extremes I talked about and they went thru with it eventually because they were horny but they got buyer’s remorse quickly afterward.

            Just some stuff to consider and look at for consistent patterns. Read up on disarming LMR and preventing Buyer’s Remorse, there may be something in there that helps you out.

on April 10, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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I came very close to telling you that I say that all the time, and the reason is that I’m awful with names.

(I really am. It’s one of my worst handicaps. You can introduce yourself to me, and your name is gone by the time I’ve finished telling you my own. I’ll remember your face; I’ll remember our conversation; I’ll remember random details like what cologne you were wearing. I just won’t remember your name.)

But then I realized…when I don’t remember someone’s name, I say, “Hey there!” not “Hey you!”

And I spent some time thinking about it, and…the last time I did say “Hey you,” it was, indeed, to someone I found attractive. (It’s not going to happen for a number of reasons.) I believe there was also a fake-punch to the shoulder that went along with it.

So…I guess you’re right. And I also guess I’m going to have to winnow that particular phrase out of my lexicon.

  • Mitch Cumstein
    on April 10, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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    I like how you had to write about your entire thought process before accepting the post as true. Whereas a man would’ve done all that in his head. Womenz lol

    But seriously, why winnow it out? You can still use it, but now you’ll be able to observe its effect. Just keep those legs closed. Remember- a lady reveals nothing!

    • Dan Fletcher
      on April 10, 2013 at 6:02 pm
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      Honestly it is best to steer clear of the female commentators here. 99% of their posts are just blabbing about themselves then saying something vaguely tangential to the main topic.

      • Kate
        on April 10, 2013 at 6:14 pm
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        This is how women communicate, Dan. Women talk to discover their point whereas men talk to deliver their point.

        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2013 at 4:13 am
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          “Women talk to discover their point whereas men talk to deliver their point.”

          lol I like this. I’m stealing it.

on April 10, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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Man, that is pretty loose. “Hey you”. I couldn’t do it. Not with a straight face. I’d feel like a whore. It’s too blatantly come hither. I mean, I will gladly post my bare nekkid self all over the internet for strangers to see. But “hey you”. To put that kind of thing in writing and mean it, nah, I couldn’t do it.

  • RappaccinisDaughter
    on April 10, 2013 at 2:35 pm
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    “Hey you” isn’t loose. That’s why women do it. Even if we’re doing it on a subconscious level–e.g., not admitting to ourselves that we’re attracted/interested–deep down we know we can get away with it if the advance falters or it turns out the guy’s taken or whatever. It’s totally deniable. “What? I’m just being friendly. I say stuff like that to my girlfriends all the time!”

    • Matthew King
      on April 10, 2013 at 3:16 pm
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      Any personalized statement from a pretty girl is taken as DTF by a certain kind of hard-up fellow. (You! She called me “you”!) Plenty of impersonal gestures too.

      CL > pittsburgh > personals > missed connections

      Last Thursday. TGI Fridays. Your name was Amanda. I was the one who ordered three appetizers. There was a sparkle in your eye when you asked, “Would that be all?” That will not be all, my love. You are my all. You grazed my thumb whilst handing me the check, and I knew that could never be all. Until I take you down the Monongahela on a ferry ride of your dreams.

      That 18.5% tip is just the beginning of your life of luxury… I would have paid out 20% (22%?) if it hadn’t already been figured into the check… Come away with me, my waitress, I will crown you a princess…

      • RappaccinisDaughter
        on April 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm
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        As I admitted up above, upon reflection, I have indeed used “Hey you!” in the context of a vague attraction. I wasn’t consciously aware I was doing it at the time, but…there you go. Apparently even manjaws do have hamsters (although the question of whether the hamsters have manjaws themselves is, I’m afraid, one for the ages).

        So, given my extremely limited dataset of 1, the blog post does appear to have merit–to the extent that I’ve resolved to stop doing it. It wouldn’t do to signal attraction to someone who’s not available/not interested/not appropriate and is simultaneously aware of that little tell.

        That said, you’re right that there is a certain type that will mistake genuine friendliness and/or simple professional courtesy as a green light. That can be quite uncomfortable, depending on how far said fellow takes things. (The much-hated-around-here term for that level of discomfort is “creepy.”)

        • Matthew King
          on April 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm
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          Go with “Hey, sport.” Or maybe, “Sup, dude?”

          Don’t relinquish the right to use “creepy.” That’s a girl’s everyday carry piece, the tucked-away deadly-force option. The term is “much hated around here” because it is so devastating and because it requires a man’s A-game to parry/overcome. I think Roosh had a blog post on it comparing it to The N[igger] Word. You’re doing everybody a favor by telling them to go back to square one.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 4:22 am
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            “I mean, I understand it is an insult but to a lot of guys, this is like the ultimate dagger.”

            I use it to get rid of guys and generally sabotage my competition if I need to. “Why is your friend talking to that creepy guy?” and “That creepy guy made you give him your number? eww…well hey, maybe he’s not so bad lol you should txt him that you want to bone him.” Creepy is ridiculously powerful. A girl can’t fuck a guy that her friends or other people think is creepy, he’s automatically too low value…even if she WANTED to fuck him before someone dropped the creepy-bomb.

            “Once I called a guy creepy, not sarcastically. I did it only because he was clearly alpha. I mean this was one dashing and charming guy.”

            Shit-test (aka congruency test to see how confident he really is).

            “When I said it, you could just see that it really stung him. I mean, he hid it as much as he could but I could see the burn.”

            Shit-test failed. Sub-communications gave off that he wasn’t congruent to his invincible-confidence vibe.

            Thanks for the example!

        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2013 at 4:18 am
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          “As I admitted up above, upon reflection, I have indeed used “Hey you!” in the context of a vague attraction. I wasn’t consciously aware I was doing it at the time, but…there you go.”

          shhh, don’t tell Matt that. You’ll shatter his illusions that he actually understands women and that guys who get laid are actually “hard up LARPers” who don’t get laid because he hasn’t seen a pussy that wasn’t on his computer screen in years.

          It’s okay Matt, you’re right, you’re right, we’re all losers who don’t know anything about women or their signals. Please, educate us on how to be men!!!11

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 6:56 pm
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            You could try making useful ones. I’m sure none of us would throw a spaz if you contributed something useful instead of another 10 page diatribe about why everyone else is inferior.

  • Matthew King
    on April 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm
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    You’re onto something. Whores should be seen and not heard. By definition everything that issues from your tongue is whorish.

    • YaReally
      on April 11, 2013 at 4:23 am
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      Stop being so alpha, Matt!! Who will represent the female opinion here if the girls are all so turned on by your eAlpha badassery that they’re all too busy blowing you to post??

      • feministx
        on April 11, 2013 at 6:11 pm
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        Ya really, Your inner world is probably more developed than matt king’ may be more rational or better at self reflection. I dont know. But I must say, and I say it grudgingly, matt seems like a sexy guy as far as commenting in a manosphere blog can get you sexiness. The purity of his ego is primitive seeming on one end but ultimately sexy in effect.

        In other words, I think matt k is a douchebag but I kinda want him. That obtuse flowery way he writes helps too. Sigh. Women.

        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm
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          Sweet, way to go Matt! An attention-whoring chick hanging out in a men’s forum with her tits&ass as a profile pic who’s fucking a guy who’s married. You sure get them high quality girls, I gotta start taking notes on King A game!! lol

          I am completely okay with you not wanting to fuck me.

The Plan

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on April 9th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
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World Leaders: A Study In Contrasts

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on April 9, 2013 at 3:24 pm
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Putin’s body-language is good for short guys to learn from. It’s very alpha, dominant and authoritative. One of the bad habits short guys tend to do is lean way up to hear taller people or look up at them from the side like they’re a little side-kick etc. A few of my regular wings are 6’2-6’5, so at 5’9″ I’m the runt of that group, but I never “lean in” to hear them. I always let them lean down to talk to me.

I project my voice (speaking from the diaphragm) so they can hear me over the music instead of my having to lean in. And ideally I’ll stand to their side so that they turn to face me while I just listen from the side. All this body-language stuff helps balance out my value with theirs as the short guy of the group.

Also none of it comes across as dickish as it sounds in writing lol it’s all very natural in the moment but its something I had to purposely consciously train when I started hanging around these guys.

Fake It Till You Make It: The Scientific Evidence In Favor

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on April 9, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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I need some advice from CH readers! I’ve been doing my best as the article states to become the ladies man I’ve always pictured myself being. I’m now bedding more and better quality women.

My sis has a hot-9 friend that just broke off an engagement. I’ve always had a crush on her and I know she eyes me from time to time. Especially since I rejected her approaches years ago – had a girlfriend at the time (was being beta but the rejection was so alpha). Our paths never cross, but we are both going to my sis’ wedding in the next few months. To spark things up I contacted her on FB where she likes every second post or picture I put up. I’ve never msged her or liked anything of hers… ever.

Me:Hey I didn’t know you guys have a plane? You get to fly it much?!

-Same day-

Her: Hey you! How’s it going? And yes my dad flies…blah blah …I do once a month or so. :)

-3 days later-

Me: Oh cool, so you’re in real estate right? Has your dad ever let you land?!

-One week later-

Her: Yeah, blah blah.. You back in the city too? Soooo excited for your sisters wedding in a few months!!! You bringing a hot date?!


How long should I wait to reply and what should I say? Do I avoid her last question completely or should I suggest that I’m going alone with full intentions of nailing her or any other of my sister’s ridiculously hot friends?

I’m usually pretty good at the indifferent txt/fb game but I feel like I’m over thinking shit here. In the past if I made a mistake I wouldn’t give a shit but I really want to bed this one!! What do I say and how do I form it guys? Thank for the help!!

  • Zombie Shane
    on April 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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    In the past if I made a mistake I wouldn’t give a shit but I really want to bed this one!!

    A) Continue to at least act as though you don’t care if you make a mistake.

    B) If she’s really all that, then here’s a novel idea: How about pursuing her with the intention of MARRYING her?!?

    Then make six or eight or ten babies with her and live happily ever after.

    It sounds like this chick could be special – don’t let the nihilism of game cause you to turn her into just another notch on the bedpost, and miss out on something good.

    • yeahokcool
      on April 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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      i agree with you, shane, but even if he intends to marry her, he should still keep it reigned in.

      • YaReally
        on April 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm
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        You can marry her after you fuck her.

        • yeahokcool
          on April 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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          right. i’d advise against the marriage thing, but, regardless of what his long-term plan is, he still has to use the same strategy.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 4:17 pm
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    • Matthew King
      on April 9, 2013 at 4:39 pm
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      Oh man, don’t use the m-word in front of these There-But-For-The-Grace-of-Alpha-Go-I types. It makes them shit their pants in protest. Like a digestive-reflex poop.

      • Zombie Shane
        on April 10, 2013 at 2:40 am
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        The only possibly legitimate PURPOSE of Game is that it teaches you the tools you will need to have in your arsenal in order to bag [and retain] the girl of your dreams as your wife and the mother of your children.

        Without that – wife and children – as the end result, Game is just another form of purposeless soul-destroying species-extincting nihilism.

        • Lily
          on April 10, 2013 at 9:56 am
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          “The only possibly legitimate PURPOSE of Game is ……….to bag [and retain] the girl of your dreams ……”

          Clear thinking.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 2:43 am
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            Sure, you could say that. But 1) we understand that that “dream girl” who’s perfect in every way is a LOT more rare than social conditioning brainwashed us to believe (ie – not every chick with a pussy is a goddess on a pedestal) and 2) the search for her involves relationships and sex with a bunch of hot chicks…I’m not in any rush to find the perfect girl, the search is pretty fucking fun lol

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 11:24 am
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            What makes you think I have to marry the perfect girl? You can have kids, live together, have an open relationship, etc. without marriage. There’s no reason to voluntarily financially and legally rape myself. If I find a girl who makes me not want to go bang other girls, awesome. But I don’t expect to find her anytime soon lol

            My GF is doing just fine, thanks for asking so sincerely! We’re approaching the 3 year mark in fact. And random girls don’t get any of those benefits from me, those are for my GF, who’s earned them by being a cool girlfriend. Primary girl gets all the benefits, Secondaries get a few (mostly the social benefits like getting to be on my arm and me saving them from other guys, rather than life/growth benefits like learning or traveling etc), and all the girls below that haven’t earned anything yet aside from my cock. :)

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm
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            Lol you can keep trying to take jabs at my life and my girls if that makes you feel better about yourself. When your life is boring enough that as a woman you’re hanging out on game blogs for men, for the emotional gina tingles of being around assholes and the sad attention-whoring, I imagine it helps make the day-to-day monotony less depressing to convince yourself that anyone not living the way you do must be more miserable than you and lead a worthless life. Crabs in a bucket and all that lol

            End of the day my life is awesome, my girls love me, and I’m over here stunting all over your insults with a smile and a boner. :)

          • YaReally
            on April 12, 2013 at 2:44 am
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            No, you WERE trying to insult me, you’re just not good at it and now you’re backtracking trying to pretend you didn’t meeeeean it because you didn’t realize I’d shit right back on you and you don’t want to take responsibility for your actions lol

      • Lily
        on April 10, 2013 at 9:58 am
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        As I mentioned in the “5 minute” thread, at the end of the day many of those alphas are not really alphas, they just learned to act like it. They’re nobodies. They just act like they’re larger than life, or God’s gift to women, and women eat this shit up because they are stupid and they fall for the act, just as they misinterpret sex as love.

        In fact, many of those supposed alphas don’t even amount to much, which means that they are just alphas in the minds of the women they fucked. So faking it is indeed a good plan because it works on women, as well as affecting a man’s T. T creates a cycle – the more women respond to you like you’re a sexy alpha, the more T you’ll produce.

        I just wished women were not such stupid dupes. It even goes beyond naiveté. Naiveté implies a sort of innocence and is forgivable, but women today have no innocence just stupidity and lack of common sense they acquired from listening to feminists as they shed their grandmother’s wisdom – as my mom says, even mothers are stupid nowadays.

        Anyway, I’m all for men acting like alphas and not falling for feminists’ bullshit that tells them to become beta’s in order to please women. I just hope the men here preach more broad alphaness instead of only the YaReally approach of bar hopping, fucking and dumping. That’s not alpha.

        • Hugh G. Rection
          on April 10, 2013 at 10:55 am
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          So an alpha does what’s good for you instead of doing what he enjoys? Yeah, right.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 2:59 am
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            Oh look, a woman who says game only works on dumb bar sluts and guys who pickup are empty soulless pussy-obsessed frauds.

            Gee, I haven’t seen THAT before lol

            Game extends to all areas of life. Aside from sex, I’m better socially connected and respected than a lot of men in my city. Do you want to start a business? Take climbing lessons? Eat at a fancy restaraunt? Because I’m socially connected with people who will happily help me arrange that for you because I give value to them through game.

            Is a big scary creeper harassing you? Some douchey player annoying you and your girls when you’re trying to have a night out? Co-worker harassing you? I can protect my girl and get rid of those people with my social skills and understanding of how the dynamics of those situations work, without getting beat up or arrested.

            Need a date for an event, or someone to bring home to the family? I can charm an entire room and make you feel like the luckiest girl in the world when people are coming up to you to tell you how great your boyfriend seems.

            And when you act like an overly-emotional retard, I’ll shush you up and bring you back to center because my frame is stronger than yours and you can trust me to be a rock and take care of you.

            My skills will help me climb the corporate chain of whatever career I’m in, and if I want to learn a new skill or bring something new (like eating healthy or working out) into my life I have a massive over abundance of will-power and determination to do it because I built those things up when I overhauled my life through game.

            PUA teaches a guy how to handle his shit. There’s more to it than “bar hopping and picking up dumb women”. But hey, you can believe whatever helps you sleep at night, I doubt any of us would want you lol

        • Matthew King
          on April 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm
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          This is about “pick up” to them, not alpha. When they encounter alpha, they fall back on old omega trickery and bitterness. Comforting habits die hard. Alpha is not a disposition within the range of their comprehension much less their genuine attainment. “Faking” outward qualities in the perpetual hope of “making it” eventually turns a man’s life into a fraud without his knowing.

          So don’t insert yourself into the blast radius of a frenetic circle jerk. Unless you’re into bukkake.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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            “my life has been lived independently of yareally’s yet, SOMEHOW, we’ve reached many of the same conclusions on what attracts women.”

            Yep. Like I say, any guy who goes out enough, applies game, analyzes what works and why, and gains enough success/experience comes to the same conclusions. Because this isn’t theory like what the naysayers spout, these are conclusions based on the combined reference experiences of hundreds of thousands of men over 20 years of sarging.

            If we found out tomorrow that game only works on club sluts and it was impossible to get higher-quality women with it, we would tweak it till we could get higher-quality women. But we don’t have to, because it works on them just like it does on the club sluts.

            “despite your insistence, i have ltr with very nice girls. i also have str with very nice girls. i don’t date floozies or sluts or whatever”

            The types of girls I get and the types of relationships we have and the praise my girls would describe me with, would surprise the haters here lol But it’s not even worth the effort to explain that because the guys who game quality girls regularly understand, and the jockeys & women would never be able to wrap their heads around it.

        • YaReally
          on April 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm
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          @Kate & Lily

          Golly gee, it’s the Madonna/whore “that game stuff only works on dumb low self-esteem sluts, not on quality women” argument.

          And let me take a WILD guess which category you both consider yourselves in. Remember it’s all those OTHER girls who are slutty whores…you and your friends and your family members definitely aren’t like that. That’s “other” girls.

          Like I say, whatever helps you sleep at night.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm
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            No, I just think you’re dumb. But your comments make great examples of why guys shouldn’t listen to girls when it comes to seducing women.

            Does your having a vagina mean I’m supposed to be polite when you say shit that’s blatantly wrong and make biased ignorant assumptions about myself and the women in my life? My bad, sorry. Maybe you should post your thoughts on a livejournal where Matt can post all his awkward eFlirting to try to get in your pants.

  • YaReally
    on April 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm
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    She wants to fuck you. Asking about your date is a big give-away. So you don’t really have to do much at this point. You could probably ignore her completely till the wedding and be fine if you just be sexual in person and isolate her and escalate as the night goes on.

    But if I were responding I’d do something like: “I haven’t decided yet. I don’t want you two cat-fighting over me all night. Although if we could find a tub of jell-o and some bikinis…” where the answer is ambiguous so she still gets some “will he have a girl or won’t he?? Should i bring a date?? I’d better do myself up incase I have to compete with a girl” hamster anxiety to keep her busy, and I’m also assuming attraction on her end, and I’m taking the flirting to a sexual place instead of talking about her family’s plane collection.

    Note that I wouldn’t go flat-out sexual on facebook, like trying to get into dirty-talk, because there’s no need to. You know she’s into you and that she’ll be at the wedding where you’ll probably have solid logistics to isolate her. If you go TOO sexual before you’re face to face you might trigger her ASD and get a lot more resistance because she doesn’t want you to think she’s easy.

    Then at the wedding when I don’t have a date I’d just say “no, I decided it was too dangerous, you’re feisty when you drink and you’d probably scratch her hair out. Besides, if you’re leaving scratch-marks on anyone’s body tonight, I’d rather it was mine. ;) ” to let her know we’ll be having sex later, and then just casually flirt thru the night to build the sexual tension (eye-fuck her during the speeches, bump into her bum with yours at the buffet table and tell her to quit bumping into you, reach for a wine glass or whatever blatantly reaching around her as your bodies rub and you give a mock “oh, I’m sorry, you’re just in my way is all ;) ”, give her a slow-dance or two with lots of eye-contact and kino, etc) till I can isolate her and escalate (usually as weddings die down there’s plenty of opportunities to isolate…walking her to her hotel room, exploring the venue, walking to find a cab together, etc etc).

    I’d swipe a bottle of wine or something leftover as the wedding shuts down (you’re the brother of the bride, you can do anything you want, but tip the bartender or whoever well so you don’t shit on their night) and tell her “come with me we’re going on an adventure” as I grab her by the hand and whisk her off to a quiet part of the venue/hotel and share the bottle as we cuddle and escalate. I’d scope out at the start of the night if the stairwell lets you get up to the roof so you can take her up there with the wine to slow-dance on the roof to some gay romantic music playing on your phone.

    Don’t stress it too much. This is a done deal, she’s already into you. Save all your “big” moves for the wedding day.

    • Matthew King
      on April 9, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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      Screenplay writing as advice.

      She already indicated interest, but only in the ultrasafe, cost-free environment of Facebook. You tease that interest into a place where her surroundings compel her to commit. If she remains standoffish, you play the hand you have (text game) and raise her temperature (expectations) for the moment when you will see her outside the protection of text/FB, where you can better play aloof: the wedding.

      Everything but this general advice is too situation-contingent. No plan survives contact with the opposition.


      • yeahokcool
        on April 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm
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        The “screenplay” comment reveals a lot about you. It may seem like a screenplay to you because it isn’t real to you. Its inchoate. Ethereal. A dream. Simply put, you haven’t lived it. All you have is theory and stuff that you have read and that’s why you offer up some generic (largely inadequate) advice that reads more like a overwrought textbook than real world advice. That isn’t the case with yareally. He writes the detail because he lived it. And done it. More than once. And you know what else will piss you off? I’ve done it, too. And, worse for you, it looks and feels as good as it reads. As they say, afterall, write what you know… And you, you know very little about this topic.

        • YaReally
          on April 10, 2013 at 3:19 am
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          Eeeeeeeverything you said. I’m glad I read your response before writing mine because it would’ve been the same thing. Especially this part:

          “He writes the detail because he lived it. And done it. More than once. And you know what else will piss you off? I’ve done it, too. And, worse for you, it looks and feels as good as it reads”

          This is screenplay fantasy to men who don’t go out. To me, it’s just Tuesday.

          I actually specifically like creating little adventures with girls. Like I could get the lay without a lot of the fluff, but I have fun creating situations where we’ll both have an amazing memory of a crazy adventure that climaxes in sex, where I know that to her it’s like she just stepped into a movie.

          Even if I fade away after and she never sees me again, I know no guy is going to top the memory she has of her time with me. I fully admit this is COMPLETELY ego-driven lol. Also telling girls about my adventures gets them excited because they sound like so much fun and they realize I’m a guy that pro-actively makes that stuff happen…if they qualify. So these creative lays help me get future lays. :D

          But yes, my life and my experiences with women are like a screenplay, I’m glad you noticed Matt. I mean you didn’t think these girls were sleeping with me for my 6-pack and and million dollar mansion, did you? All women want from a man is for him to make them feel alive and to take them on an emotional rollercoaster.

      • immoralgables
        on April 9, 2013 at 9:10 pm
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        Will you shut the fuck up already.

        • Matthew King
          on April 10, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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          Blind leading the blind. Boys teaching boys how to be “men” by fantasizing about what manliness is. This is the endgame of “I wanna be an astronaut when I grow up” without a father to slap some sense into a kid.

          This is why I do blame your faggot/deadbeat/beta dads for your thinly-veiled pussitude as well as for the skankiness of their fat late-feminist daughters. You were made for each other, you deserve each other.

          Yes, I will shut the fuck up. I just have to figure out a dignified way to remove myself from this sudden LARP convention.


          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 2:38 am
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            I think the ship sailed on you retaining any dignity around here a long time ago, Matt.

          • YaReally
            on April 12, 2013 at 2:29 am
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            We simply have a low threshold for stupid people. It’s really that simple. If you post accurate shit that’s useful, we’d pat you on the head and say good job kiddo.

            But you don’t, so we tool you. Because its important that men who are actually reading this blog hoping to improve their life don’t get caught up in your retarded keyboard jockey theories.

            You word your elaborate rants like you’re an authority and that bluff works for you when no one else has any experience (like the girls backing you up, or your reputation here before I came along and shat on it) but any guy going out regularly can tell you’re full of shit.

            We just don’t want lurking newbies to mistakenly give your writing any kind of authority when they haven’t collected the reference experiences in-field yet to know you spout bullshit.

    • Scray
      on April 9, 2013 at 4:42 pm
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      Hey Ya, I put in another FR, any general tips or advice appreciated. I know it takes awhile to break down every single interaction, but the general tips and tricks that you give are just as useful!

      • YaReally
        on April 10, 2013 at 3:21 am
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        On it! I’ll try to get something up before the weekend for ya!

    • yeahokcool
      on April 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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      @YaReally. i know we’ve been estrokin’ each others’ egos today, but i can’t help but comment about how clutch this post is. your ability to cogently present plans that would actually work in real life is awesome. good for you, man. you know your shit and the fact that ch regularly uses your wisdom on this blog and on twitter should make obvious to all the naysayers that you’re legit

      @Vagitarian. if you can figure out some way to implement yareally’s general “plan of attack” into your approach style, i’d recommend it highly. you don’t have to copy it exactly and, in fact, i’d recommend against it because you want it to be natural and not like a pre-scripted routine. just take the general ideas and imagine what would sound and look like what you’d say and do

      • YaReally
        on April 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm
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        I heart you too lol

        The plan of attack stuff is just how my mind works from spending time in the field and being burned enough times for not having a gameplan. I went into game from having zero experience seducing women so I was lucky enough not to have bad habits that a lot of guys have to break free of, when it comes to seduction. I didn’t have beliefs like “it should just happen” or “that’s too try-hard” or “I dunno I just feel like if its meant to be its meant to be”

        So I read PUA stuff that stressed having a Day 2 plan and always be thinking about logistics and pushing toward an end-goal, and went “okay I guess that’s what works so that’s what I’ll learn to do!”

        I think a lot of Manosphere guys don’t understand the importance of a solid plan or repeatable Day 2…so they get the attraction part right but they end up at a formal restaraunt with a large table between them and the girl on the other side of the city from where he lives and she has cockblocking roommates at her place. So they miss out on an opportunity that would’ve led to sex if they had instead taken the lead and brought the girl to a cozy little pub with booths to cuddle in that’s just up the street from their place where they’ve got music or a DVD and a bottle of girly alcohol all set up.

        Now this stuff is instinctual for me. When I enter a new bar I’m looking at where the speakers are (where are the quiet places), where the hot girls are, which guys look like competition, where can I isolate for a makeout, where could I isolate for sex, how am I going to get a girl from the bar to a bed (cab, a friend driving, her place, my place, etc), are there couches to chill on with a girl, how big and crowded is the patio, etc.

        In a normal public place I’m looking at where are the security cameras, how many security guys do they seem to have working and how far is their office from wherever I’m planning to bang, how much traffic uses the elevators and stairwells, are there areas of the parkade that I could isolate to, etc.

        Then I’m looking at her logistics, who are her friends, which ones will cockblock, which ones will fuck off and leave us be, does she work in the morning, is she from out of town, can I escalate tonight or should I slow-play it etc etc.

        It seems like a lot but like I say it’s all instinctual now and I can adapt on the fly to my circumstances. What I described would be my general plan but if it was de-railed I trust that from my experience I would be able to improvise a new equally awesome plan in the moment to get around whatever problems come up.

        The important thing in the end is that to the girl the whole thing looks and feels like an adventure that “just happened”. She doesn’t know I peeked up the stairwell while everyone was still arriving, or that I threw a few gay romantic songs on my phone the night before. She just knows that she was whisked away by this charming fun charismatic attractive guy and suddenly she’s up on the rooftop slow dancing with him under a moonlit night like something out of a Ryan Gosling movie and he’s crazy and wild enough to fuck her on the roof and give her an adventure she can write a book about 50 years later.

    • R1J2
      on April 9, 2013 at 7:41 pm
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      @YaReally, regarding kino: I recently went out for drinks with a girl from class who offered me her number. I assumed she must have liked me because of that, yet, she never returned me touching her. I started by just touching her arm, or knee. She never returned them, so I felt uncomfortable escalating further. Do you keep touching, and keep escalating even if she doesn’t return the favor? At what point do you just give up and quit?

      In the end, the night went no where. I’m certain I got LJBF’d.

      I’m still slowly figuring things out.

      • YaReally
        on April 10, 2013 at 3:03 am
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        “Women are a lagging indicator”:

        So just assume attraction and keep going. She’ll stop you if she’s not into you. I’ve mentioned this to Scray but there are basically 3 responses from a girl: “into it”, “neutral”, “not into it”

        Most guys won’t escalate unless they get “into it” and they lump “neutral” in with “not into it”, but actually “neutral” should be lumped in with “into it”.

        There are a million reasons why a girl won’t reciprocate…shyness, inexperience, nervousness, fear of judgement, not being comfortable in the environment, not having an “excuse”, Anti-Slut Defense not allowing her to admit she wants sex, she might not be a public affection kind of girl, etc etc.

        You basically plow forward with the idea that “what you feel, she’ll eventually feel”. So you take her non-reciprocation as “oh she’s just shy, of COURSE she’s into me, why wouldn’t she be? I’m just so awesome that she’s intimidated.” Eventually your frame will win out and when she’s comfortable enough, she’ll reciprocate.

        She may be non-reciprocal literally all the way to the bedroom. It all depends on the girl. Just plow forward and assume its going awesome and don’t use her responses as your permission to continue.

        If she gives you an actively negative response, pull back and figure out if you need to work on comfort/rapport or attraction or whatever, but take a neutral response as positive. She has plenty of time between meeting up and you putting your dick in her, to say “wel I have to go now” and bail, and if you get a negative response you stop (till you get more experience and can tell the difference between token resistance and actual resistance).

        Now on the flip side there’s a chance your kino was awkward/weird. A lot of guys new to kino are awkward with it (like placing your hand on her shoulder from the front and then leaving it there as you talk to her, or looking at the place you’re going to touch, touching her because “oh I’m supposed to touch now” vs “I want to touch her”, etc) and it comes off unnatural and awkward…in which case you just want to work on your kino skills when you’re out gaming so that it becomes more natural.

        Brad talks a bunch about kino in this video, give it a watch and think about how your kino looks/feels:

        Good luck! Remember: she wouldn’t be out with you if there wasn’t some spark of attraction for you to work with.

        In fact some really hot girls will purposely NOT give you any iois, just to see what you do (are you confident and will assume attraction from a hot girl, or are you looking for her validation?). Like that’s their shit-test to test your confidence. I’ve known a few girls who, when a guy approached, wouldn’t say anything and just stare at him for 30 seconds, to see what he’d do. :D they’re seeing if he lives in his own strong reality (alpha behavior) or if he reacts to his environment and let’s it dictate his reality (chick/beta behavior). Girls are fascinating to me when it comes to stuff like this lol because it seems like insane behavior (if you like the guy why not just let him know?) but it makes COMPLETE sense in chick-logic.

        • YaReally
          on April 10, 2013 at 6:26 am
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          “She may be non-reciprocal literally all the way to the bedroom”

          An example of this that’s happened to myself when I started out and to buddies of mine and we laugh about it, is that I’ve had girls come over to “watch a movie” and they’ll have given me zero blatant iois (aside from coming over lol) and we’ll sit there and watch part of the movie and I try to put my arm around her and shit but she doesn’t really seem into it and maybe I’ve even kissed her once but she didn’t really kiss back enthusiastically etc and there was like zero reciprocation and I’d literally start thinking “well shit maybe she’s not into me, I guess we’ll just watch the movie…fuck it I want a drink then.”

          I’d get up to get a drink and offer her one and come back to the couch expecting to be in for a long awkward movie siting on opposite sides of the couch from the chick…then she has one sip of a drink and bam, jumps my bones and I’m like “wtf???”

          What was happening was that she needed an “excuse” to be slutty. So now she can rationalize sleeping with me so quickly as “well we were drinking and it just happened”. It doesn’t matter that she had literally ONE sip of alcohol and wasn’t actually drunk, she just needed that hang up to be dissolved before she could let loose.

          Another common scenario is that we made out when we met but now she’s at my place on a day 2 and she’s all frigid and awkward and I’m doubting myself…only to find that as soon as she realizes I don’t think she’s “easy” and that I’m okay if we don’t have sex, suddenly she 180s and jumps me. She just didn’t want me to think she was easy because of our makeout and needed reassurance that she’d see me again if she put out. Once she had that, it was fine to let her sexual side loose.

          This kind of thing happened to me enough that I learned what a lot of hang ups for girls are (like the stuff I mentioned above about why they might not reciprocate) so now I try to diffuse those things early on. So I’ll make sure we’re isolated when I escalate to take care of her fear of social judgement, I’ll make sure I have a couple beers in my fridge so she can blame alcohol, I’ll build more comfort/rapport if she’s naturally shy, I’ll talk about sex in a casual non-judgemental way if she’s inexperienced, if she thinks I’m a player who will just use her for sex I’ll drop my personal speech about how I like on-going relationships even if they’re casual and that I’m not really a pump n dump guy, if she’s looking for something casual and is worried I’ll be clingy I’ll drop my personal speech about enjoying my freedom in casual relationships and not owning eachother and being too dead inside to fall in love, etc.

          Because I look to actively diffuse these hang ups early in the seduction, I don’t really get any resistance past a certain point. Like I can’t even comprehend walking into my apartment with a girl and NOT having sex with her. It’s just not something that happens anymore, because by the time we get back to my place I’ve already set a sexual frame and diffused all her worries and hang ups and she’s already feeling good about her decision to fuck me. It’s all smooth sailing once you’ve handled her hang ups…but figuring out WHAT her hang ups are is the tricky part, because they usually won’t tell you flat out. This is where experience comes in :)

    • Newly Aloof
      on April 10, 2013 at 6:21 am
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      Scoping the venue is money advice. See, it’s those little things that make the difference and make me believe what you write. You’re setting up the adventure – must dudes would just be thinking about setting up the opener.

      • YaReally
        on April 10, 2013 at 9:13 am
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        Part of it is that I assume I’ll succeed, so I plan for it. Like I don’t go to the wedding thinking “I hope something will happen” or “I dunno maybe she’s just friendly” or “I wonder if we’ll have sex tonight…”

        Instead I’m thinking “obviously she’s going to want to fuck me, so I’m going to need to make sure I have a secluded location for us to fuck in.” It’s a done deal in my mind, not a question. Sometimes it doesn’t work out but if it doesn’t, it won’t be due to a retarded lack of planning.

        Part of it actually comes from how ashamed a guy is of his sexuality and sex in general. ie – is he fine and psyched to fuck, or is he blue pill conditioned to be “bashful” and have it all “just happen”?

        It’s like a more extreme version of the difference between guys who go to the bar with a condom on them vs guys who go without a condom on them. One is going out with the mindset of “I’m going to need protection” and plans for it ahead of time, and the other is just hoping the universe hands him pussy if he’s lucky and somehow things work themselves out.

        I carry 4 condoms lol 1 wallet, 3 jacket. Because I’ve run into situs where a condom gets wasted (rips, I take it off to get more head, etc) or we go for a 2nd round that night and then another the next day, etc etc. One of my Natural buddies carries a bunch on him too lol

  • walawala
    on April 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm
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    Her: “you bringing a hot date?”

    You: “Behave…or it’s the naughty corner for you young lady…”

    Credit Krauser. Works for me every single time.

    This sexualizes things without being overt. See how this goes for you.

    Responses usually go off the rails with “Naughty corner? Oh…I like that…” etc etc..

    • Vagitarian
      on April 9, 2013 at 7:33 pm
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      Tip my hat to YaReally, but all were really good replies (except for that shit bs about marriage). Glad to have everyone confirm her interest because sometimes you just don’t see things like they are. As I said I’m normally a little better then this but this one has me really excited. YaReally presented an excellent game plan and I expect to take full advantage of my brotherly position at the wedding to make shit happen. Until then I’ll relax and do a slow burn until the wedding day. Thanks for the tips!!

      • Zombie Shane
        on April 10, 2013 at 3:01 am
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        Jesus H Christ, I pray to God almighty that she doesn’t end up in bed with a little cunt like you.

        If she’s everything that you say she is, then she deserves far, far better than that.

        • YaReally
          on April 10, 2013 at 3:31 am
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          @Zombie Shane
          Maybe you should be reading a different blog like Jezebel. Why are you even here if this stuff upsets you so much? You don’t have to answer that, I don’t REALLY care lol

      • YaReally
        on April 10, 2013 at 3:30 am
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        Good luck! Remember that it’ll probably never go as smooth as you plan, but trust in your faculties to improvise…just keep these things in mind and figure out how to make them happen:

        1) flirt lightly early on and establish a man to woman sexual frame, ie – you aren’t talking about puppy dogs and ice cream with her, you’re giving her the Alfie (check YouTube) look-over like she’s a piece of meat when you see her, you’re dropping some innuendo and implying that you’ll be sleeping together later, etc.

        2) later in the night find a way to isolate her. Isolate her isolate her isolate her.

        3) once you have her isolated, THEN bring in the harder escalation. Pull her around a corner away from everyone and pin her against the wall and kiss her and lock eyes and say “I’ve wanted to do that all night.” Ideally do that in some mini-isolation earlier in the night where you can go “okay let’s go back” and lead her back to the party so she can think about the kiss for another hour while you guys mingle. Then go for the bigger adventure-isolation later when you won’t have to return to the party and can keep the escalation momentum going.

        4) FUCK HER. Don’t get her #, don’t make plans for a date…she will never look hotter than she does all done up for a wedding, and it’s societally acceptable behavior to drunkenly hook up at a wedding, AND she’s been into you for a long time, so you have a complete green light on this for the lay. In fact I would say she’s so looking forward to you fucking her that NOT going for the lay would be RUDE and MEAN of you lol

        Have fun, I love weddings. :D

Fake It Till You Make It: The Scientific Evidence In Favor

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The Scolds Bridle
on April 9, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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When an angry beta insists that they should not “have to change who they are”, what they are really saying is that they think themselves incapable of truly making the change.

Otherwise, why would the beta males in question continually try to refine other elements of their anti-game gaming techniques?

Question for the betahaterboys-

If being a moderate suckup mangina is not reaping a harvest of poon, then why escalate your methods? You’re still “changing who you are”, are you not?

What the hater hates is the idea that he might have to change in ways that cut across the grain of his worldview/narrative.

He would rather wither into a sexual bonsai plant than admit that his anti-game is wrong. He will defend his worldview, upon pain of (sexual) death. Repentance is the first step toward salvation, and repent he must, of his sins against the reality that is cuckolding his worldview before his very eyes.

Change or die. But if you choose death, please die with quiet dignity. Like a man. Accept your self-inflicted sexual obsolescence with whatever honor you may have left lying around in the in the dusty corners of your ego.

  • YaReally
    on April 9, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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    I agree with all of this. A massive part of swallowing the red pill is opening yourself up to new paradigms, and sometimes it even requires being able to embrace a little cognitive dissonance.

    This goes back to ego/identity. The anti-game types have formed their identity and will cling to it, but it’s based off a socially conditioned reality spoon-fed to them from childhood instead of going out and gaining their own reference experiences and opening their brain up to reconfigure it.

    You could say “ya well yareally your identity/ego is invested in being a PUA so you’re not open to listening to blathering nonsense theory from keyboard jockeys and always shut them down”, but my views are based on results from reference experience. If tomorrow I found that it was impossible to get laid without a 6-pack and a million dollars, I would be the first one in line for the gym and be working out while thinking about how to get rich quick.

    • thwack
      on April 9, 2013 at 4:50 pm
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      If tomorrow I found that it was impossible to get laid without a 6-pack and a million dollars, I would be the first one in line for the gym and be working out while thinking about how to get rich quick.
      OK, but what if the price was eating a bag of dicks? or cleaning out grandma’s bank account?

      What are you unwilling to do for some vag?

      • YaReally
        on April 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
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        I would use the money from grandma’s bank account to buy enough mouthwash to rinse the taste of all those dicks out of my mouth.

Build a Better Beta

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on April 8th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
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” I found most American women to be hopeless, so I turned my attention elsewhere.”

“–and I deal with the fact that my wife thinks BJs are disgusting–I”m actually OK with that).”


How would it make you feel to know that your wife would happily give head to a guy with high enough value to her?

Five Minutes Of Alpha = Fifty Years Of Pining

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Inane Rambler
on April 8, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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The takedown was beautiful in a way the hamster’s own prose could not be.

  • Zombie Shane
    on April 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm
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    Heartiste: “Susceptible or vulnerable women” = most women.

    Yeah, but the overriding question is whether it equals ALL women.

    And the future of civilization depends on the answer to that question.

    A few months ago, when I first came over the Chateau, I asked whether some Dads cheat and teach their sons Game.

    But here the converse is really infinitely more important: As we in the Manosphere and the Dark Enlightenment give up our bachelor years, and move into our child-rearing years, it is imperative that we teach our daughters how to be immune to Game – that we teach them how a PUA will game them, how he will play with their emotions and their hopes and their dreams and their fantasies – how a PUA will toy with them and use them and discard them, like the psychopath that he is.

    Because if we can’t retain some kernel of moral women in our society – Ratzinger’s Mustard Seed – then civilization is doomed, and only the nihilism of modernity will emerge triumphant.

    • Matthew King
      on April 9, 2013 at 10:32 am
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      Zombie Shane wrote:

      [I]t is imperative that we teach our daughters how to be immune to Game – that we teach them how a PUA will game them, how he will play with their emotions and their hopes and their dreams and their fantasies – how a PUA will toy with them and use them and discard them, like the psychopath that he is.

      Your observation is beyond the scope of this audience and therefore will be considered the utterance of an alien, if not an enemy. The PUA vision has no long-term understanding of or concern for a life beyond themselves and their (temporary) passions. It can tell a million stories about how women give in to their hypergamy despite all protections and training, but it cannot even imagine the possibility of a workable corrective to female instinct. That corrective up until the sexual revolution was one of the cornerstones of civilization. Without it we are in the process of crumbling.

      That’s why I’m not impressed by the oft-told tale above. It is a page out of life for any man who has seen how helpless a woman is alone against her instincts — especially in a culture that directly and indirectly encourages her to follow the throbs of her cunt while fobbing all responsibility for their destructive insouciance onto men. So where comes the desire to point at this tragedy and laugh? It comes out of the illusion of readers imagining themselves the hero of the story rather than the goat. In life we are the goats of feminism far more often than we are secret bedroom alpha lords taking back male prerogative one pussy at a time. But these tales, like porn and fantasy, satiate the impulse that drive men to attain real goods.

      Again, this message does not compute to the betrayed and wounded, rising betas gathered here. Worse, it sounds like consorting with the enemy. In the end, the “cad” philosophy of hos before bros is the real traitorous behavior, an alliance of priapic sexual revolutionaries with feminism to carve off an extra slice of pussy here and there. Note that the entire story is told from the woman’s perspective and thereafter is empathized with by the fisking author. That is a clue to ultimate loyalties.

      The dirty little secret Which Must Not Be Told is that this alpha behavior from a distance, that so enthralls men (or women) with no experience of it, is subject to the law of diminishing returns, like everything in life. The payoff is not what the uninitiated imagines it must be in order to devote his life to reforming himself toward a capacity for it. The aspiring PUA shares his vision with the naïve hypergamous woman: the grass is greener on the other side.

      Meantime, the true alpha controls the entire situation and all its contingencies from beginning to end. So the cad finagled a young woman’s virginity by instinctively contrasting himself to the foppishness of the beta males around her. Not for the first time in history. The difference, as you indicate, is whether a girl is subject to the protections of her alpha father or alpha husband — not just “teach[ing] them how a PUA will game them” but direct intervention as well, supported by the culture at large. That is not our time today, so more of the responsibility falls to individual men for the excesses of their women’s hypergamy. No matter what fantasizing twerps try to tell you, a good father and good husband can succeed, even with the culture against him. What remains for men collectively to accomplish is mutual support to fill in the ever widening gap between paternal protection and a husband’s protection. In this project, PUA’s are the enemy.

      No matter. For now we are all allies through temporary circumstance, a circumstance that likely will obtain well past the PUA’s viagrific senescence after a lifetime of goatishness, so good for them. As long as they are comfortable being a means to the alpha males’ collective, civilizational purpose.


      • YaReally
        on April 9, 2013 at 11:48 am
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        Oh look, Matt is back, and unimpressed by things. lol

on April 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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“It doesn’t really matter whether the object of your affections is married, unavailable, uninterested; nothing will stop the mad passion from taking root and growing, even with little or nothing to feed on.”

AAAAAAAHH oneitis.

  • feministx
    on April 8, 2013 at 8:10 pm
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    Right! I’ve seen SO MANY women do this- pine for some guy intensely for years upon years. examples:

    1. Knew this one chick who would cry about how this guy would come back to her (some guy who dumped her after a month). Every time she would go out in a group, she would get drunk and end up weeping over this guy. “maybe jeff will leave his fiance and…” Last I heard, she was still doing this years later.

    2. Knew a lady who pined after some guy she went to high school with till she was 55. At age 55, she begged him to be with her. She was like “I don’t care if you never have sex with me. I have a house. I’ll take care of you etc” She said she thought of him every day and couldn’t get over him even though she never saw him after high school. By that time, this guy was an unemployed divorced fat fat slob with no better hope in life. He took the offer, and this woman must be ecstatic.

    3. Me. I thought about my alpha ex like 24/7 for probably a year and half after we broke up. I cried about him all the time, dreamed about him every night. It was terrible. It wasn’t really even him who rejected me, but I somehow felt that I really messed that one up for a long time.

    I don’t know if guys ever pine for women this intensely for years on end. Sure, guys have the one that got away, but this?

    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2013 at 1:48 am
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      “Every time she would go out in a group, she would get drunk and end up weeping over this guy. “maybe jeff will leave his fiance and…” Last I heard, she was still doing this years later.”

      …you’re the chick who’s boyfriend is married, right?

il duce
on April 8, 2013 at 3:15 pm
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Three weeks ago I get ultimatum from my top girl, her pleading to tell her what the status of us is. (Btw saying “its complicated” 50 times in row is fucking difficult Her crying in my bed, listing everything she hates about me though actually proved to be powerful white noise that helped lull me into a deep almost baby -like sleep.

Waking up the next morning, she kissed me furiously goodbye, as almost she had it in her mind to cut me out of her life. I detected the vibe but said nothing, but poured my coffee and said “drive safe” as she left.

Two weeks ago with no contact from me, I get a text message from her saying “I miss you pinky.” A running joke between us, is who is pinky and who is the Brain.

Normally when we have this discussion its face to face and I’ m always saying I’m Brain cause what alpha doesn’t want the world? But the cold calculating being I have becoming after two years of being a resident of Le Chateau, I rollled with it and simply texted back “zoink” (im accepting the new title of “bring the movies” guy)

Fucked her twice this past weekend, no more complaining.

I’d almost be proud my zen like indifference level, but eh who cares

  • YaReally
    on April 9, 2013 at 2:18 am
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    You executed a perfect Soft Next and she responded exactly how she’s supposed to. Well done, and once again PUA tactics are validated.

on April 8, 2013 at 8:23 pm
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His ineptness was a good excuse but is almost certainly untrue. Afterall, he didn’t seem inept with the girl he got with after he fucked her; she says as much herself: “he even seemed keen on her, paying her the sort of attention he’d never bestowed upon me”.

This actually jels with a pet theory of mine. I believe every man has instances where he is alpha. Let’s say a woman flirts with a man, but the woman is below the man’s standards. Unless the woman is well below those standards, he will often tolerate her hanging around him. He will give her the modicum of respect he doles out to everyone just on account of their being human, but he will not compliment her, not take much attention of what she says, and, in general, not be very friendly. In this instance, he is alpha. I think this was the case between the article author and “John”.

John then met the higher quality women and becomes smitten. Now he is more nervous, eager too impress, etc. He is more beta than he was with the author.

  • YaReally
    on April 9, 2013 at 2:37 am
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    This is a man’s “sense of entitlement”. Basically how hot the girl is before you start acting like a retard lol

    You can increase it by collecting more reference experiences being with hot girls but a lot of guys stick to the 5-7 range of girls that don’t really rock their world, because it’s easier to get them since their sense of entitlement allows them to be alpha around them.

    Then they find a 6-7 with a good personality or their first 8 and stop going out and macking on new girls and fall into beta behavior where they convince themselves that this girl is special and amazing etc. You know how it ends from there lol

    Straight-up, Game comes down to: if you could treat the 10 like you treat the 4, you’d have 10s chasing you the way 4s will.

    • Cyrus
      on April 9, 2013 at 1:22 pm
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      Interesting point. When you say “a lot of guys stick to the 5-7 range of girls,” what are you trying to say here?

      Are you saying its laziness?
      Inability to attract better?

      I don’t know how your personal rating system works, but for mine, the women who fall in the 5-7 range (especially 6-7) are widely accepted as “cute” “pretty”, or even classically attractive.

      And where I disagree with you is this is (1), like our classic 44-year-old-spinster who isn’t entitled to a high value man, similarly, men AREN’T entitled to women of a minimum threshold of beauty. I notice a lot of expectations from men who, Ironically, like to laugh with the Heartiste at the aging spinsters expecting a 8/10 male, while they themselves aren’t even aware of their own high expectations.

      Entitlement applies to both genders.

      (2) Bro, 6-7s ALREADY are generally “rare” in the population (you really have to be in the top 25-30th percentile in female looks to reach a 6-7 anyways given the tens of millions of low SMV rejects or fatties out there). At many US colleges you can develop an alpha playboy reputation by smashing only 7s and some 8s, because girls in the upper stratosphere of looks are that rare to begin with.

      Even if game was *not* Zero-Sum in nature (and it is), there aren’t enough 6-7 females to go around in the first place. Simply put, many men don’t even keep up the Alpha with 5-7s, because to get with them is an accomplishment already. Most men also aren’t attractive enough to meet the elevated standards of a 7 in her prime, unfortunately “standards” apply to both genders.

      “Game comes down to: if you could treat the 10 like you treat the 4, you’d have 10s chasing you the way 4s will.”

      Only on paper is this true. In reality, >99% (serious) of men will not be able to “treat” a 10 in any way shape or form because they’ll never come across her. (See RooshV’s post on “How to Bang A 9″)

      • YaReally
        on April 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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        “Are you saying its laziness? Fear? Inability to attract better?”

        Yes. All of those.

        “men AREN’T entitled to women of a minimum threshold of beauty”

        If you believe that, then you’re right, you aren’t.

        “Most men also aren’t attractive enough to meet the elevated standards of a 7 in her prime”

        You’re letting the woman dictate what high-value is. That’s like letting your child dictate what time bed-time is. You’re in the wrong headspace entirely.

        “In reality, >99% (serious) of men will not be able to “treat” a 10 in any way shape or form because they’ll never come across her.”

        Yes, 10s are rare, especially in little podunk towns. You may have to move to a bigger city. And getting them is hard. And a lot of men can be perfectly happy settling down with a “cute” average 6.

        But some men want more than that and find the challenge fun and consider the rewards worth it. Hey Scray, after banging that hottie 8.5 on vacation, can you settle down with a “cute” average 6? But getting another 8+ could be haaaaaard. You should just give up and marry a 6 because its haaaaaard to find and get hot girls.

        “See RooshV’s post on “How to Bang A 9″”

        I think it’s pretty safe to say Roosh has never banged a 9. 9s don’t make it easy enough for a guy who can’t overcome shit-tests or befriend her friends etc.

        • greatest beta
          on April 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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          You’re letting the woman dictate what high-value is. That’s like letting your child dictate what time bed-time is. You’re in the wrong headspace entirely.

          I hope your not comparing women with children. Dude, in real life what I see is 7 men with 7 women. I see 8 men with 8 women. I see 6 men with 7 women and 7 women with 8 men. Once in a while you get your abberation. Of course the gold digger 25 yr old 8 with the 55 yr old fat balding rich dude. But more or less the couples are alike in looks. Game can help a dude score higher points, but even game has its limits.

          [CH: Most men are shell entities sleepwalking through life. What we talk about here is off the radar of 99.9% of the male population. Then of those men who are wise to the ways of women and game, only a small percentage of those have the ambition to take the lessons to heart and practice them.
          So yeah, most couples will more or less match up on some very trivial and obvious traits. But that is because most couples are lazy, unawares, and simply content to let the chips fall where they may.]

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 3:02 pm
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            I heavily concur with everything CH replied to you.

            Again you are completely in the wrong headspace.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm
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            @greatest beta

            You just shouldn’t post here anymore man, you’re way out of your league in terms of experience. You are the guy who fluked into winning a the lottery and thinks he’s a financial genius giving advice to others about how to make money.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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            (which isn’t to say newbies shouldn’t post and share ideas, but if you’re going to adamantly contradict the experience of thousands of guys who actively go out and do pickup, you should have more credentials than “I’m banging a single mom who probably wouldn’t give me the time of day if she didn’t have a kid that needed taking care of”)

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 5:52 pm
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            @greatest beta

            I will have no problem seducing women at 35 even if I was homeless. But for my own comfort I’m focusing on work and earning money right now (that’s why I only go out to game on fri/sat). Even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would tell girls I work at McDonalds because the money isn’t relevant.

            You are a blue pill guy giving advice to red pill guys. Like I don’t hate you or anything, your beliefs are just not really relevant.

        • Cyrus
          on April 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm
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          “You’re letting the woman dictate what high-value is. That’s like letting your child dictate what time bed-time is. You’re in the wrong headspace entirely.”

          I am not talking on personal experience here, I’m looking at the entire population of males. A large amount dont have what it takes to lock down commitment from high value women, or they meet the value standards once the woman is older and less desirable.

          Brutal honesty here.

          “But some men want more than that and find the challenge fun and consider the rewards worth it. Hey Scray, after banging that hottie 8.5 on vacation, can you settle down with a “cute” average 6? But getting another 8+ could be haaaaaard. You should just give up and marry a 6 because its haaaaaard to find and get hot girls.”

          From personal experience, getting a 7 or 8 or 9 is essentially the same shit, in fact I find 7s harder than 8s.

          Same shit, different ho should be plastered on yoru wall, even the same type and angle of pounding makes most girls cum even though they’d want you to believe you have to solve a unique configural maze to hit her O. Reality: some just like choking more than others.

          Again, anecdotal experience is pointless here, but I run the same shit on every girl, HOWEVER, I have noticed my game is better and more tighter with hotter girls, it’s like my brain flips into overdrive.

          but I’d assume any dude who doesn’t pedestalize beauty would have the same benefits… women have an effect on men.

          And for the girl I keep as more than just a fuckbuddy (6 month relationships), yeah, she’s gotta be attractive, but I think I disagree with you on the “challenge” point. A 7/10 who worships the ground you walk on, and is appealing enough to catch constant attention from other guys (read: betas) sometimes is better than an 8 or 8.5 who seems more of a peer.

          While I’m not the type to *ever* get married, I do have friends who are trending that way with attractive thin women and I can hardly see that as “giving up.” I completely disagree with you there, each man takes the path which suits him best.

Five Minutes Of Alpha = Fifty Years Of Pining

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on April 9, 2013 at 2:53 am
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The other thing to take away from this is that a lot of anti-game types and general blue-pill women will try to shame/threaten you to not be a player or learn Game because “it’s only for one night stands, you can’t get a long-term relationship from it, and if you keep up this player nonsense you’re going to end up old and lonely and die alone because you didn’t marry a (sub-standard) girl in your prime.”

The reality is: this John guy could’ve snapped his finger at any point the rest of his LIFE and had this chick ditch her husband in a heartbeat to be with him. Now imagine he creates that same feeling in a dozen women, or even a few dozen, or even 100+ over the course of his prime. If that guy feels “lonely” and is over chasing young hot pussy and decides to settle down, do anti-gamers think he couldn’t just snap his finger and get back with any one of these girls who remember him so fondly?

You could game hardcore and enjoy playing the field till you’re 40+ and still snap a finger and have one of your 20-25yo lovers marry and pop out kids with you. Keep yourself in shape and work on your quality of life in general and you’ll be around long enough to raise those kids and probably see grandchildren.

Contrast that life with the blue-pill beta who marries a shitty girl because he had no other options, who pops out a couple kids that may or may not biologically be his, then loses attraction for him because he’s not attractive to any woman let alone her and spends 10 years as a sexless incel till she divorces him at 40 to eat, pray, love, taking custody of his kids, half his money, and leaving him as a broken 40yo with no experience with game/women and an adamant refusal to learn Game because he’s been socially conditioned to believe it’s wrong or doesn’t work, so he flounders around aimlessly till he dies at 50 (no incentive to take care of himself, so fuck being healthy), alone and lonely.

How many women are showing up to take care of the first guy in his old age and weeping at his funeral, and how many are showing up for the second guy?

  • Greatest Beta
    on April 9, 2013 at 11:25 am
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    Ya really,

    Problem with banging too many women is you become jaded. I know too many guys like this that are gone. Ancient Greeks used to say “everything in moderation” I live my life to that tune.

    There’s a time to juggle then time for LTR. Don’t forget John ended up a broken man in the end also. Two extremes here most fall in the middle.

    • YaReally
      on April 9, 2013 at 11:43 am
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      “Problem with banging too many women is you become jaded.”

      Jaded to what? To the blue pill brainwashing that you have to find a wife, buy a house with a white-pickett fence, blow a bunch of money on a ring and a celebration for a legal contract that basically forces you into slavery while giving a woman the ability to destroy your life at any point because she’s unhappy, pop out 2.5 kids, and start buying the latest consumer goods with the money you work at a career you don’t like, to constantly try to one-up the Jones’es next door who always seem to be one step ahead of you?

      The more women I meet, the more I love them. I just don’t love them in the ridiculous fantasy way that Disney told me I should.

      “There’s a time to juggle then time for LTR.”

      It’s up to every man to decide what he wants. I advocate that every man should pro-actively obtain enough experience with women to decide what he wants for himself, instead of letting blue pill social conditioning (“there’s a time to juggle then time for LTR”) or red pill’ers (“bang a bunch of pussy, don’t ever commit”) or MGTOWs (“don’t bother with it!”) decide it for them.

      Some guys would chew you out for dating a single mom. But if you have enough experience with women that you’ve decided that’s something you want to do, cool, it’s not for me but I don’t have a problem with it…as long as it’s something you’ve decided for yourself, and not something you’re doing because you can’t get other girls just as hot without kids, or because you’re worried that people will judge you for not being “settled down” at your age or because, or because she’s the first hot girl you’ve been with and you’re just blind with one-itis, etc.

      All I expect from men is that they make their own decisions based on actual legit personal experience. Most men these days don’t.

      • greatest beta
        on April 9, 2013 at 12:43 pm
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        I appreciate the response.

        Jaded to what? For one thing I know many guys in their late 30s that are naturals that are fucked in the head. They have too many women in their lives its no good. Here’s an example:

        I was with my gf at the mall we got coffee at this stand and we met this persian dude. Very good looking, late 30s man. He was telling us about his life and all the women in it. I said let me see your phone and I swear there must have been 50 women texting him. It was fucking scary. He was like “meh i can fuck them all” you saw this blackness in his eyes this deadness to his soul.

        Then we saw this other persian looking man walking with his wife holding hands and their 3 children walking in front of them. I saw the badboy persian look at the family man. I said “now that is a beautiful thing” and I just saw the the badboys face sink.

        When I say there is a time to play and a time to get serious it not due to “social conditioning” but rather biological . You see, its not that simple to be 45 and pop out kids with a younger chick. I see these old farts with their children and man it looks exhausting. As Ive stated my gf has a 6 yr old daughter whom I play with all the time and let me tell you that little critter will wear you the fuck out, and IM 30 AND IN PERFECT SHAPE. I see people saying they want kids but wont have them til later LOL good luck with that its just male entitlement thinking they can live forever.

        Many will say they dont want kids but i know the MAJORITY of men do in fact want children its the latter phase of life. Fucking is fun but after a while it loses its fun how many times can you bust a nut? Me hanging around the baby momma and her daughter has only increased my desire for children of my own.

        And I agree that men shouldnt follow social rules and do things just because. But dont forget that many social rules are in fact based on biological rules (exception the recent rules that have fucked everything up). Its still possible to have a family and not be like the people as you described living the rat race competing with the joneses. Not all women are like that.


        • YaReally
          on April 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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          You don’t need monogamy or marriage to have and raise kids. Think outside the socially conditioned narrative.

      • Matthew King
        on April 9, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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        Jaded to what? To the blue pill brainwashing that you have to find a wife, buy a house with a white-pickett fence, blow a bunch of money on a ring and a celebration for a legal contract that basically forces you into slavery while giving a woman the ability to destroy your life at any point because she’s unhappy, pop out 2.5 kids, and start buying the latest consumer goods with the money you work at a career you don’t like, to constantly try to one-up the Jones’es next door who always seem to be one step ahead of you?

        = false binary and straw man that only would be cited by an overinvested, late-blooming PUA paranoid about backsliding into his old omega ways. Or, gaming chicks as political statement. A third way between whore and shrew? Impossible for him to contemplate, as he imagines the very thought to be the camel’s nose under his rickety big-top tent.

        A man in command can take each woman as they come. All options are open to him, from pump-and-dump to affair to serial dating to harem to marriage. But the quality of the women who drove you to your PUA pose precludes the latter. Your assumption that skankitude is a universal fact of the SMP sends you slithering under rocks and declaring the pandemic of sluts.

        Better men have better uses for broads, especially because he gets them at a discount — and he has access to the top class of women, where the low-lit, superficially tempting, damaged-goods basket-cases you fawn over are not allowed entry. But what would you know about class? Women beyond your grasp, much less reach, don’t advertise their availability in the places you creep, so you are sure they do not exist. And of the ones you claim to have stolen virtue from, further investigation reveals them to be putting on as much of an act as you are.

        You are the drunk looking for his keys under the lamp post because the light is better. There is a reason virtuous women — fewer though they are in our age — stay away from the writhing pulsating underclass miasma of fag-designed low-rent frottage halls where you hang and spin tales from.


        • yeahokcool
          on April 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm
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          @matt. i’m curious, which 19th century philosopher do you like to pretend you are when you are going to sleep at night? and, for an extra challenge, in your response, please try to insult me without comparing me to some sort of vermin that needs to scurry into a some sort of hole (a common, but, regrettably, overused conceit of yours).

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 2:59 pm
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            Yep. All of what you said. Matt is simply not someone anyone, male or female, would want to voluntarily spend long periods of time around. The guys who don’t go out and see high-value cool guys and make friends with them and occasionally BE the type of guy hot girls want to be with, can’t tell because they don’t have the reference experience to compare him to, so Matt’s been able to bullshit everyone for probably a couple years.

            Then guys who go out started posting here and we can spot the Matt’s of the world a mile away, and they are sitting in their armchairs spouting game theory, not actually living it.

        • YaReally
          on April 9, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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          I seriously read like the first few sentences of what you write and then when I can tell it’s the same old “I’m smarter than everyone, everyone else is ignorant and can’t see the big picture like me with my genius” routine I just skip past the rest to see what other people reply to your whining lol but I’m sure your comment is full of absolutely scathing zingers.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            I made it to Sweetie and then I had to stop readinb because there was a tingle in my pants thinking of you whispering that into my ear under a romantic moonlit night sky. I’m sure the rest was fascinating. I hope you used the word “razzmatazz” again.

    • Scray
      on April 9, 2013 at 12:05 pm
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      ‘I know too many guys like this that are gone’

      I don’t. The best I know are some naturals who get stuck with the same 6-7′s over and over again. But I mean, every time I beat around the bush with them, they reveal a huge fear to challenge themselves and step up.

      Like, the naturals I went on the trip with have to get shitfaced drunk to even cold approach. I was just shooting the shit with another natural about the Chipotle girl in my last FR, and he reacted like that was just the worst thing in the world. Rejection of any type I mean. Then he proceeded to tell me that he worked in a restaurant for a month before asking out a girl he liked.

      Point is, it just seems like the amount of guys who are reaching this pinnacle you’re describing — where they just bang tons of the women of their choice and become jaded– is astonishingly small. But, at 26 maybe I have yet to meet enough people!

      • greatest beta
        on April 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm
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        Let me tell you that my social group is an odd one. We are all greek americans our parents had money so we had money. All of us had nice cars we knew the best spots. We would take OC girls out to the baddest places in LA and 3 cocktails later they would take the dick. No BS my 4 closest buddies all have 100 plus women under their belt. They all cheat on their LTR’s or wives it sucks man you dont want to be associated with these types of people its unclassy. Again, why I say theres a time to juggle and a time to get serious.

        Ive seen the older generation power players age into their late 30s and man its scary. Too many of them are single and Ive seen dudes hit their 40s still single looks rapidly fading. They are the equivalent to the women who its the wall. I see this and dont want it for my life. Maybe they dont want families of their own but I doubt that most men want to fulfill their biological roles.

        • YaReally
          on April 9, 2013 at 2:22 pm
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          Your friends are pussies who cheat because they didn’t learn how to manage open relationships.

          I’ve met couples in open relationships with kids who are doing just fine and dandy. My own GF and I have been together almost 3 years now. Honesty and communication is important in these situations, your friends have neither of those.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm
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            Women in an open relationship don’t fuck other guys when you’re higher value to her than those guys. Hypergamy is the loophole. My GF hasn’t banged other guys in 3 years because I’m higher value to her than other guys are, because I know how to flip her switches and keep her attracted.

            Believe it or not, if your frame is solid and your game is tight and you screen for the right girl, you can create an arrangement where she’s openly forbidden by you to see other guys but you can fuck other girls, and she will be okay with that. I have a friend who’s been with his girl for 6 years in this arrangement. Again it takes a lot of communication, honesty, and a solid frame.

            You can google “yareally” and “open relationships” and find some more detailed breakdowns of how to set these up. I’d link you some shit in this comment but 1) I’m on my phone and 2) you won’t read or believe it anyway because it’s too far outside your limited perspective.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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            But you’ll raise another man’s offspring?

            I don’t really care what your arbitrary version of “morals” are. They’re not relevant to me because they’re yours, not mine.

            Yes, if I want to settle into monogamy, I’ll have challenges. Again, that’s why I don’t choose monogamy and why I’m learning and experimenting with open relationships. To find an alternative to something that I think is silly to begin with.

            You are just using exaggerated shame tactics with the whole overdramatic “dead soul in their eyes” thing. It’s the exact same as anti-gamers who think that all one night stands involve kicking the girl out after fucking her and then laying on your bed staring at the ceiling with a tear running down your cheek as you contemplate the bleak meaninglessness of your life.

            It’s bullshit scare-tactics that guys who haven’t had solid loving multiple LTRs resort to to try to scare other men into following the same “settling for the norm” path as them.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 4:41 pm
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            @man man
            I’m very concerned about your eToughness.

            @greatest beta
            You should be posting on Sue’s blog instead of here. She’ll love you.

            Again you’re doing the same gay moral pearl-clutching and shaming that feminists and anti-gamers and guys who haven’t had meaningful STRs and mLTRs do. Blah blah hole in your soul blah blah raising another man’s kid is fulfilling blah blah game is wrong but I keep posting on a game blog and qualifying myself to everyone and getting mad when they don’t respect me blah blah look at my girlfriend I fluked into blah blah

            Straight-up, your life and insecurity is kind of sad to me and I don’t want to emulate it at all so I don’t take your advice seriously in any way, and I don’t think anyone else here does after your huge weekend-long “look at how i pwned this Internet troll guy!!!!” spaz on that other thread.

            I hope things work out for you, but I definitely wouldn’t want to be you.

          • YaReally
            on April 9, 2013 at 5:45 pm
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            Ya I was just like him. I let social conditioning dictate my values/morals and goals in life because I didn’t have enough practical experience to have any of my own views on it. I had to do a lot of unwiring on my journey.

            Believe it or not all I wanted when I first decided to try getting out of my shell was a nice quiet little submissive average/plain “cute” nerd girl who’d cuddle with me and maybe play video games and I’d do all these romantic beta things for her and we’d get married and live happily ever after.

            I only wanted that stuff because I lacked choice/options. I couldn’t even comprehend that I could live the life I have since then. I was fully blue pill and believed some guys have it and some don’t and all those evil jerk asshole players just use women and live empty soulless lives etc etc.

            That’s why I roll my eyes at greater beta’s silly speeches and warnings. He’s in the same mindset I was.

            The reality is, when you discover you can get laid consistently and that you can actually land girls that were so out of your league before that they weren’t even on your radar as possibilities, you start going “you know, I really don’t see the big deal about monogamy. It seems kind of restricting, really.” Then you see enough monogamous relationships around you where everyone is cheating, trying to cheat, thinking about cheating, or fantasizing about cheating, and you do enough research into the financial/legal realities of marriage for men and you meet enough women in relationships to start to understand that relationships are shades of grey and not black & white and that most people are putting on a front day to day, and you start going “you know, this whole thing, where I can be an average looking 30yo and bang the gamut of girls from 18-35, and they give me the best sex they’ve given any man or will give any other man because I know how to bring that out of them and at any time I could make any of my girls into that serious cuddle and grow-old-together girlfriend I wanted back at the start…this is a pretty awesome deal. :)

            Yes, you can go down a road where you get jaded and depressed and become a soulless shell blah blah. But generally those are guys who are still clinging to parts of the blue pill (ie – the player looking for his Madonna), or Naturals who’ve simply fallen ass-backwards into being good with attracting girls quickly but didn’t necessarily WANT those kinds of relationships so they’re tortured by it.

            In the end it comes down to “are the actions you’re taking and the results you’re getting in line with YOUR personal goals? If they are, great, you’re happy like me. If they aren’t, you’re going to suffer and be depressed and tortured.”

            The player who looks at the family walking by with envy in his dead soulless eyes is the exact same as the married guy who gets a little too drunk at a wedding and warns me “real talk…don’t ever get married man. Just don’t do it…trust me…” as he watches me dance with the bridesmaids with his dead soulless eyes.

            Both of those guys aren’t living in alignment with what they really want in life.

            That’s why I say if greater betas goals in life involve raising some other dude’s kid (be sure to have read ), that’s cool, I hope he’s happy and it works out for him. But I know what my goals values etc are and I’m living in alignment with them so I’ll happily pass up his silly blue pill advice.

          • YaReally
            on April 11, 2013 at 3:10 am
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            @saint of killers

            @greatest beta
            When you find yourself agreeing with Matt, you should be worried lol

            Everything I say is based in reality as someone who goes out and succeeds. Every guy who goes out enough comes to the same conclusions. When you spout a bunch of nonsense that contradicts those conclusions you are wrong, that’s just how it works.

            There’s no room for “opening your mind” to the possibility that 2 + 2 = 3, just to make some butt-hurt jockeys on the Internet feel like their opinion matters. 2 + 2 = 4, I’m sorry if that invalidates all the bullshit excuses you’ve made for yourself to help yourself believe you’re good at math. I didn’t make the rules, I just report them.

on April 9, 2013 at 3:53 am
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Julien from RSD on shit-tests. This is gold and makes up a MASSIVE part of my game, and it’s why I get attraction quickly with my personal style (doing/saying blatantly offensive/inaccurate things that I know will instigate shit-tests from girls, so that I can pass the tests and give them that “whiff” Julien talks about). This is also why looks, money, etc. don’t matter…they matter for he guys who think they matter because in their reality they attribute value to them. In my reality they have no value and my frame is stronger than a silly girl’s frame, or an AMOG’s frame, or society’s blue-pill frame:

100% gold there, watch it over and over till the concept sinks in.

And there are some pics of him running daygame here if you want to see the quality of girls Julien approaches. Note his body-language (dominant, invading their personal space, lots of playful kino, etc.). When your sense of entitlement is high, you can break social norms/rules because your mentality is basically “it doesn’t matter if I break some rules, in the end she’s going to love me, so I can do whatever I want” (compared to the beta way of thinking that goes “I’d better be a gentleman and play by all the rules so I don’t dare offend her so that hopefully she likes me”):

Five Minutes Of Alpha = Fifty Years Of Pining

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via Heartiste

Duke city man
on April 9, 2013 at 6:24 pm
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I am relatively new to this blog and had a general question about approaching a girl while she is sitting down alone(at the library or university cafeteria for example). Is it best to sit at her table while asking, “is someone sitting here” or just sit down and start taliking to her? Or don’t sit down and just stay standing up while talking to her? I’m open to any suggestions or personal experience that anyone may have on this particular aspect of approaching.

[CH: Just sit, don't bother asking unless it looks like someone else is sitting there (books etc on the table).]

Spot The Alpha And The Beta

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on April 5, 2013 at 8:02 pm
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This is a simple Rorschach. The answer lies in the thought process of the individual. To me the guy at the bottom is holding girl like a teddy bear. But he could in fact be trying to go knuckle deep into her bung.

Guy up top is latex back and chick is clinging to him, like he’s the rock she needs. She claiming her property and dude at bottom is claiming his. Both show some possible insecurity or “neediness”.

The answer is moot and alrepresentative of the commenters own inner thought process.

Big up to the people that stated an opinion with waiting to see what CH was going to say. I’d be willing to bet the comments go through the roof when/if he comments and all the supplicating pussies come out the woodwork to say they agree with CH.


  • YaReally
    on April 5, 2013 at 8:41 pm
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    Why do you use capital letters here, but not on your blog?

    • dannyfrom504
      on April 5, 2013 at 8:46 pm
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      auto correct on the phone. it capitalizes everything after a period. now i’m at home. no caps.

      • YaReally
        on April 5, 2013 at 10:56 pm
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        lol that makes sense. I found your blog via Sue’s comment shitshow today and read your About Q&A on capitals and recognized the pic here and was like “wait, what?”

Spot The Alpha And The Beta

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on April 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm
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lol’ed at this. Solid advice for any guy…I’m sure the fat 40yo independent career-women who think he should date them will love this.

It’s Their Game

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on April 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 am
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That was pretty painful, but good on 3MM for trying. It came off like kind of a blindsiding of “oh I thought I’d get a chance to share my view but it turns out they just wanted a villain for everyone to rally against” (cue the blonde-about-to-hit-the-wall jumping in with supportive laughter at the host’s pussy comment).

Anyone who talks to the MSM about this stuff, or even their own female/white-knight friends, should be going in fully expecting to be shit-tested thru the roof with everything from tooling to accusations to armchair diagnoses to attempts to twist words and steal the frame etc. If you’re not prepared for that, you’re going to get raped.

It’s a tightrope act where one slip up means they get to classify you exactly how they wanted to from the start…your performance has to be absolutely flawless, and even THEN at BEST they’ll begrudgingly accept that you might have a point about “some” things, but won’t be sucking your dick on-air.

It’s like an MRA who gets goaded into a shouting match with a feminist. The instant he’s noticeably riled up she gets to go “SEE?? They hate women jus like we said! Why are you being so meeeeean to me??? :( :’(“. You’re toast the second you flinch, like a 10 disqualifying you at the bar because you showed a micro-second of insecurity when she shit-tested you.

I think if the Manosphere goes public, the emphasis should be on spreading word that it exists and links to the resources, instead of focusing on trying to debate or convince the MSM/masses of anything. Out there are men who have no idea the red pill exists but they know something is off with their blue pill world…as long as people representing the Manosphere can focus on “cool, you can all think I’m retarded, but for the men who are curious out there, come check it out and make your own decision”, we’ll get more men to swallow the pill…because a guy who’s ready to swallow the pill is already at a point where he’s thinking “ya, ya, I know, MSM, this stuff is creepy and lame and pussy, you tell me that every day…….but i’mma check it out all the same cause what you’re telling me doesn’t seem to add up, don’t worry I won’t convert I just want to see what the this is about…..” and then they read shit that actually lines up with their actual life experience and there’s no going back.

I mean what are you going to do? Get into a brilliant live debate with those HuffPost people that convinces them all to shit all over the blue pill? Like the blonde is going to go “you know you’re right, I sucked a LOT of dick in bar bathrooms back in my day but now that I’m getting ugly I’m looking to lure a helpless beta Provider into a legal arrangement where I have carte blanche to make him a slave while I fuck the poolboy, and if he gives me hassle I’ll just claim he was abusive and raped me as I take his money and our kids!”

And then the host is going to go “ya that’s reasonable, I myself had to hire a hooker the other day because I spent the last 3 years of my life in a sexless marriage raising a son I’m not sure is even my own.”? And the uggo is going to be all “when you say “do it for her”, you mean like choke-fucks her in the ass right? Because my current husband is a wimp and my pussy has been dry for years, and play-raping being used like a dirty cum-whore now and then is important to me in a relationship but its cool, my hypergamy has me chasing my best friend’s asshole husband and fucking him and his buddies behind everyone’s back!”

Now that’s a segment I’d watch lol but seriously, you will never ever ever win going AGAINST the MSM. Would putting your face on camera so you can get harassed in real life for going against the blue pill do ANYTHING to change the end result of that segment? Fuck no…because it was unwinnable from the start. Being anonymous just lobbed them a nice easy shit-test pitch to knock out of the park. Even if you we’re prepared for it with a witty little cocky/funny response to that, like a hot girl testing you in various ways for congruency they would just look for the next thing to shit-test you on, which is why I say you would need to run a flawless performance start to end to get anywhere.

The PUA community learned this already, there’s a reason we’re still pretty underground and happy with that status…because we learned that giving men access to the information is all we can do. 90% of people will flat-out ridicule the notion that this kind of psychology can even BE understood let alone thoroughly deconstructed…but that 10%, when they find it, will go “wow this explains SO much of my life that has been confusing to me listening to the blue pill people”.

Slow & steady wins the race. It’ll be a couple more generations before the red pill is commonplace among men, but it’ll happen. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube and all that. Side-step the villain frame they set for you and just use media time to promote access to the resources. You think any man trapped in an incel marriage WOULDN’T at least check out MMSL if he heard on TV that it existed? Even if feminists grabbed him by the balls, he would grit his teeth thru the pain to read what MMSL has to say.

We don’t have to convince or change the MSM. Society will do that for us when enough men have taken the red pill.

on April 3rd, 2013 at 12:55 am
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Thought of a relevant analogy: you guys (the Manosphere) are the MSM to me.

Since Day 1 of my posting comments, I’ve never cared about convincing anyone of anything. All I do is spread information.

If someone posts about sluts/virgins, I simply explain why their thinking is wrong and explain the Madonna/whore concept. Do I really think I’m going to CONVINCE them of anything? Like that poster is going to go “you know, you’re right, the thought of my mom sucking dick in a bathroom no longer disturbs me”? Of course not lol But there are a handful of lurkers who aren’t as ego-invested in the discussion who will read my explanation and go “hmmm this guy raises some good points.”

Do I care if that guy changes his thinking? Do I care what he thinks of PUAs? No, it’s his dick he can think whatever he wants…all I’m doing is promoting the solid information we’ve gathered in the field and trusting men to have their own capacity for rational thinking.

I link Tyler’s RSD videos all the fucking time. Why? Because the information in them is solid. You can think Tyler is weird, you can think I suck his dick, you can think I’m a piece of shit, there can be 20 replies to one of my comments saying “fuck you, PUA-fag”…but none of that changes the fact that when other guys read my comments or watch his videos, they go “you know, I don’t really LIKE this person…but damned if what they’re saying doesn’t make sense.”

I don’t care if you guys don’t like me because it’s not relevant, it doesn’t affect the validity of the information I provide. Do I think guys like xsplat or King A are ever going to go “god yareally, you’ve shown me the error in my thinking and now we’re BFFs”? lol no, but I’ll bet there are a few hundred lurkers who’ve read my comments to them who’ve come away going “okay I’m going to pay attention to this yareally guy and watch some of these RSD videos” and are on their way to handling their shit.

Imagine if that HuffPro piece had gone like this: “ya, we have this thing called the Manosphere where we gather to discuss these issues, like a lot of men are trapped in sexless marriages where they love their wives but the spark in the bedroom has died and they only have sex a few times a year…if you Google for one of our blogs called “married man sex life”, you’ll find we have a huge resource with an action plan for helping those men get their sex life back on track with their wives.”

Even if the announcer cut you off after that and all the feminists and white knights on the show ranted and raved for the next hour about what a loser you are…do you think there aren’t a few thousand men who would go “wait, what?? I’m not the only one this happened to?? And there’s an action plan to get my wife to put out??? Holy shit I HAVE to at least look into this…” and Google their way there? Even if you have to couch it in blue-pill terms to get the air-time and get people to look at it, once you’re there the information’s validity does the rest.

Tyler named his company “Real Social Dynamics” back in like 2002 before it was even big, because he knew that would be more digestible to the masses than “Get Pussy Incorporated”. So guys go “well I’m not a loser and I don’t want to manipulate people like those Get Pussy companies advocate…but I’m interested in understanding these “social dynamics” things, that doesn’t sound villainous”. Then they watch some content that hits them dead-on because they relate to it and from there it starts.

If I cared about the Manosphere going public in a digestible way, I would focus 100% on promoting MMSL because the rest of the sphere is hard for normal blue pill men to relate to and they’re going to be more skeptical of it because they can’t think of hypergamous situations or don’t have experience fucking war brides, or traveling to EE to fuck poor foreign women…

BUT, pretty much every married man that exists, has had his wife turn down sex either a few times or constantly for years until they quit asking for it…there’s this huuuuuge sub-set of incel married men who would jump on the MMSL info if they were made aware it existed and was something that could be fixed. That’s the ticket into the mainstream right there that’s going to hit the biggest audience and cause the biggest ripple effect.

Put the information out there, give men access to the resources, then trust that they can discern truth from social conditioning.

You can piss on a woman and tell her it’s raining and even if she sees you’re pissing on her, if believing it’s rain makes her less sad her hamster will convince her that your dick shoots out rain. But a man who realizes you’re pissing on him will go “hey fuck you dude, don’t try to tell me that’s rain, I’m not fucking stupid!” I think a part of why men are often so anti-red-pill is that they know that as a man, once they know something and accept it, they can’t UN-know it, no matter how bad they want to or how much it hurts or how much of their life is going to have to be overhauled as a result of this new paradigm…so it’s better to vehemently reject it before exploring it. How much easier would life be to drop the winning touchdown pass and live an average normal life than to catch it and deal with fame and expectations and have paparazzi and scandals and no privacy etc the rest of your life?

on April 3rd, 2013 at 2:35 am
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“In the beginning of the movement it is more about the ideas than the men behind those ideas. It is easy to attack individual men, or to link sound ideas to the “evil desires” of a singular man.”

This. They can’t attack the ideas, because the ideas are solid an based in reality. They want individuals they can attack…being anonymous is extremely powerful right now, it forces them to focus on content and not “that guy is ugly as if he’d know anything about women” or “listen to this out-of-context soundbyte Warren Farell quote about how he supports raping babies!!!!!”

I just wanted to add that regardless of how the actual show went, your handling of posting the video is fucking beautiful. The links to articles about specific topics is exactly what I mean by providing men access to the information.

Like you could’ve just posted the video, and that’s alright, or you could have your front-pahe article be “HOW TO PUNISH A CHEATING WHORE!!!!”, which would have just confirmed everyone’s bias…but the way you’ve broken the video down into a bunch of issues…whether you got to discuss them in-depth or not, ANY guy hitting up your website is stumbling right into a beautiful Ration Male Year One red-pill information dump and you hook them right away with the way you link the articles in paragraphs instead of having like, a laundry-list of them.

Anyone checking 3MM after seeing it linked in that discussion, even if you didn’t wow them on the show, would find it pretty much impossible NOT to click at least one of those articles and start through the gateway to more. That’s exactly what the Manosphere needs, provide the information and let the curious check it out. I wouldn’t even update your blog for a couple weeks while this video gets passed around, so as not to push that post down past people’s attention spans.

Anyway just wanted to give you props on that!

It’s Their Game

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on April 3rd, 2013 at 9:06 am
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“One little tip – tell a story. When you talk unvarnished theory they cut you off. When you lead into a story (e.g. the date) they’d look far more socially inept if they cut you off.”

This. Big time. I would couch my MMSL example in a story like a friend was in a sexless marriage and we were able to help blah blah. It’s hard to cut someone off when they tell a story, even if it isn’t going anywhere lol

“women just assume they are the relationship experts and the men don’t. (…) Perhaps a few good pre-prepared rejoinders for this would be helpful”

Tyler’s recent one is my favorite: “Getting knocked out by Mike Tyson doesn’t make you qualified to teach boxing. :) ” lol

“you know what else I could have done? Taken all the glory myself and not spoken at all about the Manosphere. I didn’t have to do that. But I wanted to raise its profile and continue giving back to the community that has helped me grow so much.”

Props for that. That’s the thing we have that makes it impossible to snuff the sphere out: we are men legitimately trying to help other men. Before PUA got all commercialized, there were a few years where guys were charging nothing for bootcamps, sleeping on eachother’s couches, holding seminars in coffee shops and classrooms after school, dumping massive information dumps on message boards, analyzing eachother’s FRs and trying out eachother’s ideas etc. There wasn’t any money involved, it was completely about “I’ve discovered this thing that helped me as a man and I want to help other men who’ve helped me, to pay it forward”.

The Manosphere right now has that same attitude. You can’t take away our resources to cripple the movement because all the resources are is free information and discussion of ideas.

“The last thing we want is for the manosphere to come off like these PUAs did, so desperate for MSM exposure that they hang themselves”

Oh god don’t even get me started on that video. But that IS a good example of what the MSM has to watch out for and what I mean when I say PUAs learned their lesson the hard way already lol. These guys go onto an MSM show and completely play into the frame/roles the MSM sets up for them. By trying to convince the MSM, they’re just fighting an unsinkable battle. What was going to happen, in their minds? The host chick goes “wow that was smooth, fuck ASD I want to suck your dick right here on national TV, Mr PUA!!!”

Tyler has mentioned that he gets interview, reality show, etc requests daily. But he knows exactly what would happen. Oprah would bring him up on stage and go “Mr Cook, I understand you tell men to go up to women and tell them, and I QUOTE, “I want to put a baby in your tummy”. (audience of ugly women gasps and boos) Now we have a lot of strong successful women here today…ladies, would you like it if a strange man approached you and told you “I want to put a baby in your tummy?”" while Tyler has the look of a man facing a lynch mob on his face.

In a way, the reactions the Manosphere get will be worse than PUAs got, because to the MSM, PUA is only relevant to the singles dating bar scene (though that’s not true, it’s their perception because the marketing focuses on that)…so they can marginalized us, especially if they’re married or old or don’t go out to bars etc. and at worst we come off like liars who just take advantage of “dumb bar sluts” and aren’t a big worry because “I would see right thru them!” and they visualize us looking like those guys on the news show did.

But to them the Manosphere is attacking way broader topics that affect their own lives and beliefs. You’re attacking family structure, marriage, family law, feminism, etc. You can’t bring up Hypergamy and how doing housework betas a guy and makes him less attractive, without a woman listening worrying that her husband might realize she’s been fucking her boss while he stays at home with the kids. So you have to be shut up hard and fast in any way possible to stop those ideas from getting out to the masses.

Mystery’s reality show was a decent attempt at MSM because it couched things in self-development and tried to get people to care for the guys on the show etc. But that show was mostly done on his terms, where he could do things his way. Keys to the VIP got some PUA game out there, but it’s audience was limited and they had to couch it in super blue-pill friendly terms. Hell Cajun’s appearance on Keys probably did more for PUA than Mystery’s show. And ya, people made fun of Mystery an his fuzzy hat, but they couldn’t argue with a lot of the ideas presented in the show. So all of those were decent attempts at getting PUA into the mainstream.

Even the Simple Pickup guys are doing good things. They’re just recycling PUA ideas but in new terms and they’re adding a comedic aspect to everything to keep from coming off like the fuzzy hat guys. They’re couching it a lot more as “self-development for men” rather than “hypnotize her into bed!!”

But then on the flip side we have our epic fails, like that news pickup attempt up above, or Paul Janka looking like a sociopath on Dr Phil, or RSDJeffy getting called out on Jezebel, etc. These would be the equivalent of them interviewing Roissy or Roosh or me lol you don’t want that. Rollo would be a good rep, and 3MM ultimately wasn’t bad and did the best with his situation.

Anyway, learn from our mistakes and do better with the Manosphere…you’ll HAVE to because they’ll be less receptive to you than they were to us.

“We get that. But exposure is better than no exposure at all, right?”

I dunno man, watch that PUA news pickup video again lol. Does ANYONE watching that come away thinking “I want to hear what these guys have to say”? Fuck no lol

These days, with the Internet and social media etc, anything you say or do with the MSM will be documented and linked around forever. It’s important to handle it properly if you really want to get a message out thru the assault.

on April 3rd, 2013 at 9:30 am
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“But I just mainly see it guys wanting a cool pseudonym to accompany their persona in this field.”

It’s retarded to me that people would even consider expecting the Manosphere/PUAs to use their real names/faces. Once your ideas are attached to your real life persona, you have to censor them so it doesn’t affect your day-to-day life/career/reputation/etc. We can have honest discussions because of our anonymity.

I’ve fucked a bunch of married chicks, and because of that I can explain all sorts of shit about attraction, hypergamy, alpha/beta dynamics, the psychology behind backwards rationalization, etc. that can help men. You think I’d want my real name/face plastered everywhere to score a few brownie points on a news clip? Lol

Plus like I said, it wouldn’t even make a difference. If you showed your face they’d just label you creepy because of your haircut or your movie posters in the background or one of 10,000 other things. All being anonymous did was give them an easy shit-test, like wearing a fuzzy hat to a bar.

I actually liked 3MM’s response, that he shares personal real stories about people in his life and he doesn’t want them to get hurt. If he had a more solid frame with that, the news guy wouldn’t have been able to twist it into being a creepy pussy, but again it seemed like sort of an unexpected “fly by the seat of my pants” ambush there.

Remember: “what you feel, they feel”. That guy’s pussy comment could’ve been steamrolled with stuff like “We discuss our problems online because men are ridiculed for admitting they have relationship problems and it provides us a place where we can honestly express our feelings and bond. Women are encouraged to share their feelings, but men are called pussies by their buddies if they do the same, so this is our safe outlet to help eachother grow as men and develop ourselves to become attractive confident men that women want to be with.”

What would be good is a list of all the main attacks the MSM will use on Manosphere guys, with some prepared responses or ways to deflect/handle them, as well as the key points that the MSM could digest that would work as a baited hook to lure men in (to where the info itself will then handle the rest), and how to quickly/efficiently get those points across in short sound bytes.

Like my blurb above could be shortened to “Well women are encouraged to share their feelings but men are called pussies by their buddies if they do the same. Being anonymous allows us to honestly share our feelings and get support from other men who’ve gone through the same thing.” That’s a nice little snippet that you really couldn’t take out of context and twist into something mysogynistic or bitter or hateful or evil.

Would be good for someone to do an article or start a discussion/wiki/etc on handling the MSM while representing the Manosphere for these situations that anyone going into an interview/etc could read over to prepare.

on April 3rd, 2013 at 9:44 am
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Like if I were going on a MSM interview about PUAs, I’d know they’re going to bring up negs and try to frame me as manipulative and encouraging men to be cruel to women. That’s going to happen no matter how well I present myself. It would be insane NOT to have some prepared reframes/explanations for that scenario. Then they’re going to talk about peacocking and fuzzy hats. That will happen, even if I’m dressed in a suit. So it would be silly not to have some responses for that prepared.

Going in NOT fully expecting those things to come up would be insane. Same time, PUAs have had 10 years worth of MSM attacks so we’ve seen all these tactics already. NOW we could give a good solid interview (that’s why more recent MSM interviews focus more on self-help and lifestyle than getting pussy and guys are “dating coaches” instead of “pickup gurus” etc).

The Manosphere covers such a broad range of ideas that you guys have no idea what they’re going to throw at you yet…but now we know being anonymous will result in a “you’re creepy Internet nerds trying to figure out women” shit-test. They’ll paint you as bitter sad expats moving to Thailand to pay poor foreign women to be your sex slaves. Like if you don’t have a solid cool-headed fun sharp reframing response to that accusation, you shouldn’t be doing an interview because you will get raped and that raping will stay online forever for people to link in every Jezebel article for the rest of eternity lol

on April 3rd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
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“but Roosh, as much as we have our issues, he would’ve been the most ideal representative.”

lol. Yes, a guy who basically comes across as a dirty hippy that has to fly across the world to take advantage of poor destitute foreign women because he can’t manage a successful relationship with strong independent real North American women and who’s written a book titled Bang on how to buy foreign hookers.

Ya, I can’t see any way THAT could be turned around by the MSM to make the Manosphere look bad (not that this is the actual case, but this is how he looks to the MSM. Perception is reality).

I heart Roissy but he would be dragged into the mud for his racist/political views before he ever got to men’s self-development. I don’t read anyone else’s stuff really. Rollo would be great, he’s a married guy who doesn’t quite cross the line into offensive territory because when he does he backs it up with stats and calm rational explanations etc.

I could probably handle myself in the media decently because I’ve been into PUA since near the start before it was as MSM as it is now, so I’ve already dealt with being vilified and attacked in discussions about male/female dynamics, but the reality is that I’ve written about fucking married women etc and they would dig that up to attack me before I got a chance to say anything.

Hell I admitted to shitting on a chick at Roissy’s, as if that wouldn’t come up lol “Welcome everyone, today our guest is YaReally, who teaches men how to defecate on married women. Now we have a panel of married women here who say “Men shouldn’t be taught to manipulate women into being defecated on.” We’ve opened the phone lines so you can all phone in and share your stories of inappropriate things men have done in the bedroom.”

On Hookingupsmart a while back, Sue posted “is this that Mark Minter guy they all worship?” and posted a link to a sex offender profile or some shit online of a guy named Mark Minter with a pic etc. Was that THE Mark Minter? I don’t know, but does it matter? Did anyone reading that thread do any research on him themselves, or did they go “omg this guy hates women just like I thought, look he’s a sex offender!!!”?

The point is that once they have a name they will dig up anything, no matter how loosely connected, and try to drag that name thru the mud to stomp you out, because you can’t change your name/face…you’re basically giving them a weak point to attack to snuff you out.

Being annonymous? If “yareally” were fucked over tomorrow, the next day I could be back as “bananahammock” and continue business as normal.

Expecting guys to use their real name is thinking emotionally instead of logically.

“I wonder if the manosphere would have to boil down their message to a five minute speech with a diagram.”

You might be joking but this isn’t a bad idea. We haven’t formally done it, but over time from failing enough, us PUAs have pretty standard MSM-acceptable responses to attacks now.

“So you lie to women and manipulate their emotions to take advantage of them?”

“No, unless you consider makeup, push-up bras, and high heels manipulation of men. We simply show men how to demonstrate their most attractive traits. A lot of guys don’t get a chance to show what great people they are because they’re too shy to express themselves and they try to become what they think women want. How many girls have run into guys who just nod their head and agree with everything they say? It’s bland and boring. We teach men to be themselves and confidently show women who they are, so women like them for themselves, and women know what kind of man they’re getting.”

“What about these “negs”? Where you tell a woman she’s ugly and she should die alone so that when she’s crying, you can emotionally browbeat her into letting you rape her?”

“lol no I see where the confusion comes in, negging is a really complicated subject that sounds awful at first. Really, all a neg is is playful teasing to show the girl that you’re confident enough not to be intimidated by her looks. You’re showing her that while every other guy might give her extra credit just for having boobs, you expect her to have a personality as well…so if she does something dorky, you’ll call her a dork for it, with a playful grin. We always say that negging should make the girl smile and laugh, if it doesn’t then you’re doing it wrong and probably just insulting her lol”

“What is this LMR stuff? You basically encourage men to “make the ho say no” by telling them to try to push through a woman’s resistance and rape her?”

“Again this is something that’s a lot deeper than it gets summarized in sound bytes. LMR is about making a woman feel comfortable and choosing to have sex. If a woman says no, we stop, and we tell other men to stop when they get a no…in fact one of our LMR tactics is to back off completely, flip on the lights, and play a game of chess with her, to show her that we have complete respect for her boundaries and that if she doesn’t want to have sex that’s totally fine with us. We don’t get mad or kick her out, because we like her for more than just sex. Often, that demonstration of how respectful we are, is what makes the girl go “huh this guy is a pretty good guy, I can trust him not to make me do anything I don’t want to do and to go at my speed”, and then they choose to sleep with us. I can understand how it sounds bad at first glance, but that’s why we have a ton of literature and training to teach these nuances to guys. Ultimately our motto is to leave the girl better than you found her…if you leave her at all! A lot of men actually find long-term girlfriends or wives because they journeyed into self-improvement!”

Like, some of that is bullshitty or skirting around land-mines, but it’s all knowing the kind of attacks they’ll use, then reframing everything in a positive light. If they dig deep enough they’ll find quotes and such that are harder to defend, but the MSM does the least research possible and they only have short little interview segments so they’re going for summarizing shit, not getting into details.

The Manosphere should ask what are its main ideas it wants to get into the MSM that will be the most widely relatable by the average blue piller (hypergamy, incel marriage, men vs women SMV, men’s self-improvement VS “figuring women out”, etc).

Then figure out how to best summarize/explain those things in a non-offensive way.

Then figure out how each of those things can be twisted/vilified as harsh as possible (“so you’re saying women can’t control their emotions like men can?”, “so you’re saying marriage is only about sex and women OWE men sex and should be their sex slaves?”, “so you’re saying women shouldn’t be allowed to have careers or grow, they should just learn to cook and clean and hope a man rescues them in their early 20s? Our panel of strong independent beautiful 40yo single women would disagree”, “so you all hide online discussing what women want, that’s such a pussy thing to do, women want a man who takes charge duh!!”, etc)

Then figure out how to reframe those things to bring them back to the good frame.

Then figure out the 5 absolute worst things the Manosphere promotes or has done or even the very fringe writers have said, that will be brought up to attack/slander you when they can’t break thru your other defenses (immigration discussions, race discussions, political discussions, aren’t you bitter old men, aren’t you just like MRAs who hate women, mysogyny, etc).

Then figure out how to reframe or brush off those things. It’s trickier for the Manosphere than PUA because PUA just addresses relationships, Manosphere starts getting into MRA territory, and again lead the conversation back into a positive reframe.

If someone isn’t willing to sit down and do this stuff, then they either shouldn’t represent the Manosphere in the MSM or they should accept that they will fuck up and that fuck up will be on the Internet forever and be used to discredit the sphere for years to come, essentially doing more harm than good.

on April 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
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Kenny, you are like a 12 year old girl on a sugar high. No one is going to change their opinion on whether they want to risk their personal and professional lives being fucked in the face just because you enthusiastically repeat that they should. It’s super-fantastic that you love PUA so much that you’ve made it your entire identity but the rest of us have lives outside of pickup.

Yes, I’ve picked up girls by telling them I’m a PUA. Yes, it’s exciting when you discover you can do that. But down the road when you’re significant enough that people hate on you, you’ll realize that associating yourself with PUA can come with unexpected repercussions.

It’s awesome that you haven’t run into that yet and that you can be blissfully unaware of that stuff, and I hope you never have to experience it and can keep on doing your thing with an enthusiastic smile on your face, but you’re not going to convince anyone who’s had friends shot by a bullet or almost been shot themselves to willingly stand in front of haters holding a loaded gun.

God, I feel like King A “lecturing the young’uns”. I must be getting old.

on April 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
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On Roissy, I ignore everything on his site that isn’t male/female dynamic related. The racist political etc shit is just nonsense and every article he posts about that I think “well no point checking the blog this week” and consider not posting there anymore. But his posts about pickup are 1) dead on and 2) not afraid to venture into controversial parts of seduction/psychology, that I have the most fun posting there lol I get banned on Sue’s blog for daring to even bring up “dark triad” shit for discussion, but Roissy is all about diving into the mud…discussing uncomfortable truths is how you make progress in this area.

lol @ Sue

“A blogger who hides behind an empty screen demonstrates that he does not have the courage of his convictions.”

I would say the same about a blogger who deletes/blocks any opposing views on their blog. Oh wait, that’s what Sue does. I have a lifetime ban at her blog, even if I post politely lol not because I’m an asshole to her, but because I point out when she’s wrong or ignorant of PUA when she makes statements that show she clearly hasn’t done any kind of research, and she doesn’t have any comeback because she’s just pandering to her echo chamber.

It’s that thing I said above where feminists can talk smack all they want but the information holds up and when people read it they go “sure this guy is a bastard but man, what he said gels with my life experiences……..” and start critically thinking for themselves. Since she can’t make the ideas seem wrong, she goes to shaming language and defamation of the person, then bans them so those ideas can’t be expressed or read at all. An extreme version of ducking her, and her readers’, head in the sand because she knows her shit doesn’t hold up under real-life scrutiny.

But hey, when has a woman ever been aware of her own hypocracy?

Of COURSE Sue is going to jump on the goading bandwagon, the more of us that get fucked over and have to disappear the easier her job is. Don’t fall for that shit lol

“It looks like taking jabs and swipes at bloggers who have criticized her publicly and/or severed ties with her. Looks to me like it’s less about bolstering manosphere credibility and more about passive-aggressively settling old scores.”

Sue?? Being passive-aggressive to people she doesn’t like?? You don’t say!! lol

And she’s technically a semi-red-piller…imagine how Jezebel would treat 3MMs interview, or the crazy bitches who are threatening violence at Toronto campus men’s rights speeches.

on April 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
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Kenny, you are still retarded. lol

on April 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
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3 things on Sue:

1) She has great frame control. Her frames are clearly retarded but she jumps into them with 100% conviction and steamrolls over her weaker-framed audience.

2) Her message is so blue-pill and acceptable to the MSM that of course she doesn’t have to be concerned about using her real name. She hasn’t done anything significant/controversial that would piss the MSM off in her life.

3) Note that her and Kenny are both approaching this in terms of “do THIS so you can win over your opposers!” Would she un-ban me if I showed her a pic of a girl sucking my dick? No, of course not. It’s just a shit-test. Like I say the second you show your name/face, your opponent will dig up all your skeletons and you’ll be fucked. If Sue DIDN’T heavily moderate her blog it would be a cesspool of red-pillers calling her out for her hypocracy.

We’ve already discussed that trying to convince your opponent is foolish. You jump through their hoop and they set up another. Again what’s going to happen? “Oh I was going to cut you off but you have a picture of yourself in a gym on your blog so okay, you’re right, my mom was a hypergamous slut and my daughter is getting gangbanged by badboys in college, I’m totally cool with that because of your pic!”

This is why you skip convincing them entirely and go right for the audience. Because the audience we want to reach are men, and men don’t give a shit where information comes from as long as it makes sense to them. Women care, Sue’s first attack is always “what are your credentials???” so her hamster can disregard anything it disagrees with.

But men focus on the content. That’s why even when Tyler and Style (who started out under a different annonymous name) etc were still annonymous, they gained a following. Because their information held up. Tyler was always a dick back then, we all thought he was an asshole, but the shit he was dumping on us made sense.

Any advice Sue or Kenny or the MSM interviewers etc give is advice on “how to win ME over”. But they’re not our target, don’t ever forget that or you’re going to end up chasing their frame and jumping through their infinite hoops just like they want.

This is exactly the same as a girl saying “you should be kind and nice to me and not make a move until I tell you to, that’s what will turn me on!” Do you listen to her? No, of course not, because you know that path is endless hoops and no results. You ignore her advice and control the frame.

on April 4th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
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“I’m advocating that whenever guys write field reports, it’d be much more convincing if there were accompanying photo(s) in the posts. Show the face, not the name. That is my position.”

It is a stupid position, and you are a stupid person for not understanding why. Do you want me to post videos of girls sucking my dick for you to jack off to? You have a video of yourself harassing an ugly girl who isn’t interested in you on your blog. No one cares about whether they have your respect or not.

(see what I did there? Now what happens when a friend of that girl stumbles across my comment and goes “hey, these Internet guys are calling you ugly” and it all goes viral and you turn her into the next Star Wars Kid and she starts getting emails from random guys who call her an ugly slut who should die in a hole because 14yos on the net are just assholes that way? But hey, you’re SuperKenny, fuck thinking about anyone else or consequences, you do what you want bro!!!!!!)

See Tyler’s first few minutes in this video about creepy fuckers:

Like I say, it’s awesome that you haven’t run into any of this yet but god, shut up already.

on April 4th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
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Looks like you got under her skin, Rollo:

Love the implied threat of exposing you there. Same shit she did with Minter before. Like I say it’s her go-to when she can’t argue facts/logic: try to threaten/slander the person themselves. And it’s exactly why the Manosphere should stay annonymous.

Anyway, in other news, MikeC posted my comment on her blog. Even when she bans me, people can’t resist facts and logic lol she can shit on me all she wants but what I write resonates with guys and the ones curious will listen.

The Manosphere’s target audience should be the 10% of the crowd who’s curious, frustrated, or on the fence…the other 90% will ridicule, threaten, and insult us. But we can claw our way into the mainstream, 10% of the crowd at a time. There is PHENOMENALLY more red pill information, discussion, and responses to MSM articles now than 10 years ago. Slow & steady and on our terms is the way to go.

on April 4th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
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Another way to look at convincing the audience:

We’ve all tried to get guy-friends into game or to swallow some of the red pill. That’s like the first thing you do when you find it, you go “wow this is brilliant and puts so many puzzle pieces together! I want all my bros to have this wisdom too!”

So you try getting your friends into game but…what’s this? They resist? Not only do they resist, some of them ridicule you for it or are outright hostile about it! Can’t they SEE?? How could they not want to open their eyes??

That’s when you learn that you can never ever ever force the red pill down someone’s throat. They will ALWAYS rationalize it away or rationalize around it. They have to hit a point where they voluntarily start to swallow the pill.

The interviewer douche, the feminist chicks, the white knights, etc in that interview, none of them WANT to swallow the red pill. It doesn’t matter how many stats or studies or stories you give them…they will rationalize around it just like your buddies forgave their girlfriend for cheating on them to keep their reality in-tact.

Even most of the audience, they aren’t actively AGAINST the red pill but they’re so socially conditioned and it’s such a huge paradigm shift that they just aren’t in a position to accept or embrace it.

But there are those few guys in the audience who are on the fence and curiois, like you were when you typed in “how to get my wife to have sex with me” or “how to get a girlfriend” or “why did my girlfriend cheat on me?”, who, if offered knowledge and an explanation and a way to fit those puzzle pieces together, will latch onto what you’re saying and start doing their own research and convert.

Those are the guys who are receptive to the red pill. Those are the guys who will google 3MM’s blog after that interview.

All we have to do is ignore the frame they set for us and the hoops they want us to jump thru and come up with ways of reframing their attacks into a couple sentences where we provide links to stuff like MMSL or an article on Hypergamy, that’s going to hit these guys hard in their logical brains.

Once that link is out, the feminists and white knights can disembowel us in public Braveheart-style, but they can’t stop the little 10% of change our message put in motion.

Sue is looking at it like “this is a bad strategy, you won’t convince 90% of the mass market to agree with you if you just let men find the info” because she doesn’t get that we won’t convince that 90% regardless of our strategy because our message is too much of a mind-fuck. All we want is that 10%, like we’ve been doing, and has been working, for years.

on April 4th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
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Good Luck Chuck wrote on Sue’s blog:

“If I were to use my real identity in the manosphere all it would take is for one person to stumble across a comment that *might” be able to be misconstrued as misogynistic or distasteful and my ass is toast.”

Sue replied:

“*Might?* How about if it is misogynistic and your ass deserves to be toast?”

So she’s basically admitting the sole purpose of wanting guys to toss away their annonymity is so she can make them “toast”. There you have it in black & white. She didn’t actually give a shit about our “credibility”. It was 100% about giving her more power to crush dissenting opinions.

Why am I writing this here on Rollo’s blog when, as she says, “Every HUS reader knows that civil and respectful disagreement is always OK. I even let in hostile commenters who regularly mock me”?

Because she’s banned me for respectfully disagreeing with her lol. I even tried leaving a response today and it doesn’t show up. Feel free to quote this on her blog if you happen to not be banned there. :)

Her M.O. is basically to vehemently reframe anything she disagrees with and misconstrue and twist it long enough that she knows no newer readers to the thread will go back to read what was REALLY said. If you search for whatever comments of mine are still in her archives you’ll find that the things I write in the first few pages of the thread are nothing at all like what she says I wrote in the later pages of the thread after she’s banned me so I can’t defend myself or link to my earlier comments to show current readers how she lies lol

Okay fuck, this has been fun but now I seriously have shit to do. I’ve been on vacation but sick as a dog the past few days for anyone wondering why I’m posting so much lol Thanks to my evil sociopathic dark triad game, I’ve manipulated and brainwashed a chick into bringing me a case of chicken noodle soup tomorrow…ahhh women, how I heart you despite all your crazy. Looking forward to seeing how this all pans out down the road, I expect this interview will keep gaining traction for another week…I predict a scratching article by Lindy West on Jezebel where she taunts 3MM for being annonymous and jumps to accusations and slander the same way Sue does. It’ll probably have lots of “snark” and CAPITAL LETTERS AMIRITE??? because PATRIARCHY lolololz

on April 5th, 2013 at 12:40 am
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lol’ed at bananahammock

“I therefore don’t accept that we’re relegated to just convincing the occasional dude who already wants to be convinced.”

I agree with you’re whole comment, my point is simply that the platforms the MSM give us will not be conducive to actively spreading our message like you suggest. Like, a prisoner who wants to get out early by behaving good is out of luck if the prison guard never drops by his cell. The guy who comes up with a male contraceptive pill will never be given a platform by feminists to let us know about it. You can go to /r/mensrights and see dozens of legit verifiable news stories of false rape accusations and the Jezzies will still post articles about how that doesn’t happen and how MRAs are all mysogynistic liars.

Like, we’re going into a hostile environment where we’ll get a few seconds of exposure here and there in-between ridicule and demonization.

If 60 minutes said “we’ll give you an hour to share your red pill shit, show us what you want, we won’t interrupt you or bring on feminists to argue with you”, man, we could kill that shit. We’d convince 90% of the crowd no problem. It would cause mass revolutions in thinking. But they’re never going to give us that, even with our names and faces exposed.

Someone at Sue’s used the Vietnam analogy…head to head one on one America would have kicked their ass, but they hid and used traps and shit. It didn’t matter how much tougher we were, we weren’t given a platform to demonstrate that.

So I agree with you completely, but I’m looking at the reality of what we’re given to work with here. And I personally think that when all they’re going to give us is little demonizing, ridiculing, sound byte snippet fights against feminists and white knights, the best we can do with that sliver of exposure is create an opportunity for that 10% to find us and join us.

Down the road when the movement is more widespread, that’s when we can reveal ourselves and get more in-depth on these topics and speak to a more receptive audience. But right now we’re in the infancy of a revolution/movement and we have to work within that as optimally and efficiently as possible and trust that down the road we’ll get bigger and better opportunities to spread the pill.

That’s why Sue wants us to expose ourselves now. She knows that’s jumping the gun and that anyone doing it will get snuffed out because we don’t have enough mainstream support yet. She doesn’t want us to wait till we can expose ourselves to a receptive audience. She’s basically goading us with “c’monnnn how come you don’t want to sabotage your own movement?? C’monnnn just fuck yourself over already!! (Insert shaming, goading, threats, etc)”

Come out to a hostile audience and get killed as at best a martyr. Come out to a receptive audience and be worshipped as a god. There’s a reason comedians have warm-up acts instead of walking into a possibly unreceptive and distracted audience cold-turkey.

on April 5th, 2013 at 10:58 am
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“My guess is she’ll delete the whole post by the end of the day so as not to sully the impression her blog advertisers have of her.”

Yep, probably. That one really backfired on her lol not only did we all stomp all over her silly shaming/goading tactics, but even her own audience chimed in against her article, and on top of it she just slammed 3MM who conducted himself with calm and reserve. She must spend all day in a perpetual hamster spin. I could write such a psychological breakdown of Sue and the repetitive tactics she uses, but god what a waste of time that would be.

Holy SHIT, that is BEAUTIFUL. How does that exist?? Did you make it? Is it automatically generated somehow? That’s exactly what I wanted to do as a blog, just archive all my posts and the threads they’re from, but in a nice clean readable format. Is it cool if I link to it from a WordPress blog? Happy to credit you for it! Awesome stuff.

You are still retarded.

@Mark Minter
Good stuff, brings a smile to my heart lol. I remember the biggest thing that hooked me on PUA/red-pill was how it made everything click. All the experiences in my life that didn’t make sense listening to blue pill conditioning were just like puzzle pieces snapping together with each article/post I read on each topic. This is why I say all we have to do is get men to look at these resources…the information will carry things from there. We don’t need to brow-beat an entire audience over the head with info for an hour…their conversion to the red pill will happen late at night when their wife has gone to sleep (after not fucking them) and they’re up secretly lurking through these sites absorbing the information.

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on April 5th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
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Someone wrote: “She does not understand that much of the “debate” will be bad-faith accusations of misogyny to guilt you into shutting up, and also to harm your livelihood.”

Sue wrote: “Do we know of a single case of this? Someone getting fired for anti-feminist views? I have never heard of it. In fact, I have never heard of anyone being fired for personal views of any kind. Can you provide examples please? I remain convinced this is paranoia.”

…………..well I think it’s pretty clear why no one can get the point of annonymity through to her. So much lol. One reason I’m glad her blog exists is that it’s a great glimpse into watching a hamster in action. Like the cognitive dissonance and rationalizing and backtracking and complete lack of self-awareness when it suits her agenda, it’s fascinating to watch in real-time.

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on April 9th, 2013 at 10:48 am
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Awesome! You just made a bunch of Manosphere dudes trying to learn game happy. People keep complaining that my writing is scattered all over the sphere and hard to find/reference lol

Is there a way I can run it once a week to keep updating it regularly with my new stuff, or would I have to figure out a bunch of crazy Python stuff? I’ll definitely credit you, this is awesome! :D

Sorry for the off-topic Rollo, have you got an E-Mail addy Lumpy?

How To Screw With A Cheating Whore

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on April 2, 2013 at 11:47 pm
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“Use your perceived enemy (the person you hate/fear/want to punish/etc) to destroy your real enemy (your own ego). (by not doing what your ego wants you to do, showing your ego that it doesn’t have power over you)

If you can’t do it, then you’re not a free man. You are controlled.”

  • YaReally
    on April 2, 2013 at 11:54 pm
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    To clarify: I’m posting this clip to illustrate that my view on not punishing her has nothing to do with her. It’s not a secret way to get her to chase me again. It’s not a “drive her crazy with my radio silence” tactic. It’s not a way to get her to apologize. It’s not a way to make me feel better about what she did.

    It has nothing to do with HER…it has everything to do with myself and challenging/confronting my own ego’s need to defend itself. It’s like choosing to eat healthy, or to work out, or to embarrass myself approaching a hot girl…these are internal decisions that I make for myself, and are not dependent on anyone else or related to anyone else’s actions.

    This is the key to Internal Game.

      on April 3, 2013 at 2:17 am
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      this is a great point, but I submit the ultimate demonstration of ego control is not only having the ability to kill it, but fire up your ego in a directed way.

      Killing it was step one for me, reengaging at will towards selected targets step two.

      On/off, on/off

      my $.02

      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2013 at 6:18 am
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        The question to ask yourself is why that person is a target to you? Are you dishing out justice in your mind? What makes it justice to you? What makes you the one to dish it out? Do you get satisfaction out of it? If so, why?

        When you go far enough down that rabbit-hole, you’ll come to the same place you were in before (controlled by your butt-hurt ego), but in a different form so you can’t immediately recognize it.

        In that movie, when he’s at the point where he could kill the guy, even if he rationalizes it as “I’ve already mastered my ego, I’m choosing to do this”, ultimately his ego has just re-shaped itself and slipped in thru the back door because the end result is that he’s still doing what his ego wanted him to do (kill the guy to defend it).

        This is similar to when someone gets big into “enlightenment” literature, and then they feel like they’ve destroyed their ego, it’s over, now they’re enlightened, not like those pathetic people who are still materialistic and stuff, the enlightened person is better than them…except all that’s happened is the ego has just snuck in thru the back door in the form of “I’m enlightened now” and created a new identity to defend.

        The battle with your ego is never over. It’s always there. To win, you have to keep challenging it and shitting on it. When it tells you not to approach a girl because you might get shot down and embarrassed (creating an identity of being bad with women or a shy introvert who doesn’t “do that” etc), you approach that girl and shatter that identity.

        When it tells you you’re so good that you don’t need to approach that girl because you could obviously get her because you’re such a player (creating an identity of being good with women, so good you no longer need to prove yourself or approach like those lesser guys do), you go make an ass out of yourself in front of her and try to get shot down to shatter that identity.

        If you have justifiable reasons for fucking a chick over that can’t be traced back to what’s essentially “being butthurt”, cool, but if you dig deep enough you’ll probably find that’s not the case. Now if you can legitimately mentally move on and truly feel bad for her that she’s missed out on being a part of your life and truly wish her the best in life, against all your urges for revenge or justice or what other people will think of you for it etc, well, that’s pretty challenging to your ego…and that’s a good thing.

  • Jared
    on April 3, 2013 at 10:24 am
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    To me all this talk about ego is a waste of time. It is more modern day faggotry. Freud was wrong, one of the few things he got right was penis envy.

    I’m old-fashion I believe in dealing with whats in front of me and not making up imaginary mental problems because I’m bored and have nothing better to do.

    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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      Do whatever you like, it’s your life lol

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on April 3, 2013 at 4:58 am
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FR —>


So, I just spent one day recovering from the vacation. Apparently, the week before I left — I had forgotten about this — I sent Jessica6.5 a message about getting lunch after spring break, to which she responded ‘sounds good!’

I get back —
Me: ‘what you up to this weekend’
Her: ‘(long text detailing her hanging out wit a friend coming into town, hanging with some group tomorrow, then doing lots schoolwork/jobstuff)
Me: ‘wow, look at how popular u are, im sooo jelly. we should chill this week’
Her: ‘wouldn’t think of it that way, this week is busy bc I have to prepare for workprojectX Sat, maybe next week’
Me: ‘o hard to get, sounds good.’

Obviously, this is starting to become a bumpy introduction to the mechanics of texting/calling a girl and getting her to hang 1-on-1.

The next day I got invited out with another social circle, and I went. I get there fairly early because I will always try to get there early now, because hot girls arrive and leave early. Tan7.5 is a girl I’ve seen once or twice, and she’s hanging with Nice4.5 at the bar. It’s a warm approach, so it’s easy to just wander over and say ‘hey what’s up…’

After a few moments of chit-chat, I switch gears
Me: All right kiddos, let’s do a circuit and look around for everyone
(sure to kind of nudge Tan7.5 and Nice4.5 forward)
Tan7.5: Yeah that’s a good idea.
Me: Yeah, I know, I said it didn’t I.
Tan7.5: Oh, sorry, excuse me.
Me: Idiot.
Nice4.5 laughs, Tan7.5 gives one of those ‘excuuuuse me’ playful looks

So we walk around the bar, and then we stop somewhere for some reason (I forget), and Nice4.5 and Tan7.5 start talking. I, without a word, walk away. They find me soon enough, we start talking. There’s an old Mortal Kombat arcade game in this venue — weird. Anyway,

Me: Who wants to play some MK?
Nice4.5: Oh, I’m not really into that
Tan7.5: I’m REALLY into MK?
Me: Oh ya, we’ll see… (now I’m about to just come up with some sort of C/F question/answer routine to test knowledge of MK on the fly)
Tan7.5: Ya, we will see…I’m gonna kick your ass at it.
Nice4.5 laughs
Me: (Circuits fry for a second, but I recover…) BITCH, did you just challenge me to Mortal Kombat?
Tan7.5: Mmmmhm I’m the master…

(I walk away toward the game, they follow)
Me: Ya now buy me into the game
Tan7.5: You don’t have any quarters?
Me: Winners don’t need fucking quarters.
Tan7.5: Fine….
(she buys the game…

We start playing; I suck at it. What’s funny is that she sucks way harder. So, like, 30 seconds into play we just both start laughing)
Nice4.5: You guys are just mashing buttons
Me: I’m DVing the shit outta this bitch.

So, I win — and then I get stuck playing the game 1p, everyone lingers around me. Eventually Tan7.5 jumps in and we are like a team, playing the game together, I’m the joystick and she’s the buttons. I don’t want to be lingering there playing the game, esp now that some other people have arrived and are standing there by the game. Fast forward…

Friend is taking pictures, I’m near Tan7.5.
Me: Hey, take some pictures of us…
(I just use it as an excuse to tease her…like I flex pose, she flexes back, I put my butt out, she puts her butt out against mine…stupid shit like that)
Afterwards, Friend is like ‘that’s so genius, she was so into that….’

Then, LoudMouthFat and SuperTallChick show up and are all over Tan7.5. Neither of those two are particularly fond of me…then, TallGoodLooking1 and TallGoodLooking2 show up….apparently they’re in town and they know SuperTallChick. Shit….Tan7.5 just sorta…gravitates that way. I linger for a few seconds, talking to the guys. But I just don’t have the skill yet, so I just let it go.

Cashier5.5 is another friend’s roommate.
Me: Hey what’s up?
C5.5: Nothing much, just hanging out
Me: Ya, you seem like a wild one, dragging friend out on all sorts of adventures
C5.5: No way, she’s the crazy one
Me: We’ll see about that, you seem real down to earth…which why I know you’re into some shit
C5.5: No, I just work in a garage, so you know, I’m laid-back
Me:………because of all the sex?
C5.5: (laughs) No, because just…the guys say nasty things to me all the time, so whatever
Me: Okay, so you’re cool with me shitting on your neck. Got it
C5.5: (-doesn’t- laugh) That’s not what I said
Me: Okay you’re putting out a real negative vibe right now…like, I’m just into shitting on people’s necks right now, okay, liiiike, just fucking go with it man….it’s a natural thing (I’m like ‘yeaaaaaah kinda gross but eehhhhhhhhhh i’m here now’)
C5.5: (laughs) … what?
Me: Garages are for faggots. There, I said it.
C5.5: Mmmhm. Okay.

(Switch it up, talk to her friend for awhile, talk to Nice4.5, then back to her)

Me: Listen, earlier, when I called you a cum guzzling faggot…I didn’t mean it.
C5.5: You didn’t say that to me, I don’t think
Me: Oh…..I must have said it to someone else about you then.
C5.5: (Her eyes widen)
Me: Listen, I’m sorry. Really, I am.
C5.5: Yeah, I bet.

blah blah blah normal talk; so through the normal talk I’m like ‘y’know, this chick could just be a real low energy chill type….as opposed to just -doesn’t- like me.’ So, I decide to just go for it and get her number. Give her the phone and tell her to put her number in it. My goal now is to start getting the number fast. I really do not want what happened that one time to happen ever again.

Me: (hands her phone, she takes it) K give urself a silly last name. NO WAIT LET ME DO IT (puts in Cashier5.5 ‘Queen of the Hard Penis’ she laughs…in horror) yaaaaaaaa.

Sent her a text with my number. I’m done with her for the night.

Main event of the night….girl in town that I used to have a crush on in HS. Popular7. (there’s a history there…mostly of failed chances and opportunities).

Nightly is talking to Popular7 who has just arrived, and I walk up behind Hugetits6 and sort of ‘peek a boo’ into the group by grabbing her shoulders.
Nightly: Oh shit, Scray is here….the hottest most fucking awesome motherfucker that fucking walked the face of the fucking earth
Me:…and then I fucked it.

Popular7 is laughing

Nightly indicates Popular7: I’ve got this girl that I want you to meet
Me: (starts sort of dancing to the music in the venue) Oh jaa, is she married? Because I only talk to the marrieeed ones
Popular7: No, I’m not….
Me: (stops dancing, Nightly and Hugetits strategically leave) Well…..(takes a long breath) awkward, cause then I’m sort of out of your league.
Popular7 laughs…

…downshift, normal talk, how are you, blah blah blah blah

Me:…first girl I kissed is now a porn star (that’s actually true)
Popular7: Oh man, I always love it when people I know are porn stars
Me: Yeah but I kissed mine
Popular7: Yeah I know, but…
Me: Do you just go around lesbo kissing porn stars?
Popular7: Ya, totally that’s what I do
Me: Yeah I bet you do you FUCKING SLUT
Popular7: (startled laughter) Oh my god….
Me: You know, like the John Mayer song…..Fucking Slut
Popular7: You know, fucking John Mayer…I mean, sometimes I listen to him and I’m like ‘he’s cool,’ but mostly I’m just like ‘maaaaaaybe he’s just gay.’
Me: (busts out laughing….)

downshift for a few minutes

Me: So you went to college and played softball huh?
Popular7: Yeah
Me: I went to college and played softball too, a — – (I’m about to say, only I played softball better than you)
Popular7: (touches my shoulder to get my attention) Wait, you went to college and played with soft balls? I had no idea.
Me: (I burst out laughing…it’s legit funny to me, I put my hands on my hips and we’re both laughing)
Popular7: You gotta give me credit for that one.
Me: Yeah, all right. You’re funny, and I like that.

Anyway, these types of interactions just lead me to believe that she’s, at the very least, attracted to me. So about 20 minutes into our interaction (ya, I got her number during that time, who cares, she lives in a different state and was only here for a day) …

Popular7: Is there anyone else even worth talking to here?
Me: (Scray think of how to isolate, get her out of here ASAP, there are other people here…she’s cool, she’s hot, she’s popular, everyone will be on her dick…isolateisolateisolateisolate…)

Half hesitation, half unable to think of a way to put the idea across because….oh yeah, I haven’t really done that before. So 5 minutes later, all the friends find her and LoudMouthFat literally grabs her away and pulls her into the group. Naturally, a ring forms around her and she’s showered with intense adulation and praise.

We’re talking like…nth level.

I don’t give it up yet, though. How else to learn but to just, keep at it?
I finally manage to arrange to walk her to her car cause she’s leaving (we’re parked fairly close) We get outside the venue, we’re walking, and then…motherfucker, another two guys I know see her and immediately swoop in. I’m mentally like ‘goddammit….FUCK.’ And while I could stay longer, I’m just like ‘gotta throw in the towel,’ and leave.

Then again, could have misread the situation….
Texted her about when she was leaving, she gave me a long Happy Easter text and said she was spending it with her fam and leaving that night, then I texted her some stupid shit about that being sad… response.

Been texting that 5.5….
I’m not that invested, but I know I’m not doing that well. Got her to agree to meet up this Friday for drinks, but her replies are pretty short…like ‘lol hahahaha’ type of shit. My plan is to actually just not text her any more and only meet her if she pursues it….cause, let’s be honest….if she’s gonna be difficult, she isn’t worth it. I could get a night of cold approaching new girls in instead.

Oh, and….the interactions with Cute7 at school have just, idk…..they’ve lost something. I can’t figure out what happened. Like, one day I got gum and was chewing with my mouth closed, and she acted all offended/weird about it. Then, I dunno….now she’s more abrupt about everything. I never even texted her, lol. Ah well, fuck it.

The girl I want is Tan7.5….I want to be with another hot girl lol. Of course, added and messaged her on FB (ya just a hey, what’s up)….no answer. Fuck, man. I’m starting to think attraction is a strange animal. Like, I used to think that anything short of that look YaReally talks about…the DDB look…wasn’t attraction. Now, I kinda think that, in all the situations above, I sparked some sort of attraction….but you just always have to be escalating. It’s really just like blowing on a fire.

But, to the normal world, these things are not ‘attraction.’ I mean….like, why would a girl talk to a guy one on one for twenty minutes, in a non-emotional tampon way, if she wasn’t attracted?

Anyway, my inner game is doing great, at least…ever since banging that one girl. I’m just pumped 100% of the time now. Reference experiences are very helpful lol

  • YaReally
    on April 3, 2013 at 5:59 am
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    “Like, I used to think that anything short of that look YaReally talks about…the DDB look…wasn’t attraction. Now, I kinda think that, in all the situations above, I sparked some sort of attraction….but you just always have to be escalating. It’s really just like blowing on a fire.”

    This. DDB is when the girl is mind-blown by your awesomeness and adores you like you’re the greatest thing she’s ever seen in her life. It’s when the attraction is so high that you can do no wrong, you probably won’t get LMR, she’ll help you fuck her, etc…

    But it’s not the point where the attraction STARTS. DDB isn’t in every set and you don’t need it to escalate or have sex with her, it’s just a really solid indicator that you have a 100% green light. Like you don’t need a touchdown run to win a football game, you can win it other ways, but when you have the ball and realize there’s nothing standing between you and the end zone, you fucking BOOK it (also I don’t know anything about football lol).

    From Roger Dodger:

    “All right. Here we go. Get this straight. Sex is everywhere, okay? It is all around us. It’s not some distant destination. It’s not Everest. It is right here. You have to attune yourself to it. You have to bring yourself into alignment. You have to find the zone, Nick. Okay? Do that, and I promise you a whole world will open up. Look at me. I walk around in a state of total receptivity. I’m like a fucking lightning rod.”

    Normal people have NO idea how attraction works. They don’t understand that the girl helping you control your Mortal Kombat character means something. They don’t understand that the girl taking bum photos with you means something. They don’t understand that the girl trying to make you laugh means something. They don’t understand that a girl willingly letting herself be isolated with you means something. They don’t understand that when she stands near you, that’s not an ACCIDENT. When she orders a drink beside you at the bar when the rest of the bar is free, that’s a neon sign saying “hey, I want to fuck you!”

    We’re conditioned by our Disney society to believe that attraction is this big thing, this big gesture, this huge monumental event, this Mount Everest, so guys talk themselves out of believing a girl (especially a hot one) could be attracted to them because they’re waiting for that a huge signal to magically happen…but the reality is that attraction is all around us, in subtle little details. Be attune to that, like a lightning rod of receptivity. This is the basis of the concept of “assume attraction”. :)

    It’s why I can’t get every girl, no one can…BUT, I have methods to test for that little spark, and if I find that little spark I have the tools to fan it into a flame and then where other guys let it die down because it’s not a big enough fire (or they suck and let it die, then wonder why they have to start over when they txt the girl the next day), I have the skills to feed that fire until it becomes a raging brushfire and she’s gone DDB.

    Good FR, I’ll break it down, and the vacation one, this week when I get some free time!

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Out of an 88 star system, 88 being Pretty Good, a 110 being Excellent, a 150 being Awful, and a 3 being Not Bad, I would give them a 26C.

  • PermanentGuest
    on April 1, 2013 at 10:16 pm
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    Whatever happened to that blog you never gave access to? Real talk, you’re 95% of the reason I still lurk here.

    • YaReally
      on April 3, 2013 at 1:18 am
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      No blog. I was going to just archive all the discussions I participate in in a nice readable format but I couldn’t find a way to do it automatically and I don’t want to dedicate actual time to doing it manually lol

      • YaReally
        on April 3, 2013 at 1:19 am
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        Also thanks for the compliment lol I give you a 112B star rating.

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on April 1, 2013 at 9:15 pm
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I wonder how many people voted for the girl (dude) on the right not because he was hotter, but because that’s the one he thought he could get.

I imagined meeting both of these (apparent) girls at a party. I’d imagine the one on the left to be a little bit more withdrawn, soft spoken, harder to talk to and elicit a reaction out of, defenses up and probably already having had most of the guys at the party talk to her.

I imagined the girl on the right being more outspoken, aggressive/engaging, easier to develop a back and forth rapport with.

So I looked at the pics, saw the two options, thought a bit, and said “I’d probably go for the one on the right.” I’d “go for” the one on the right. Not that she was the more attractive, but she would likely be a better return on my investment. Less work, more reward. More bang for my buck. You see where I’m going with this…

Then backed the fuck up.

The one on the left was clearly more attractive, but I discounted myself due to other factors. Factors that could be adjusted with tighter game.

So again I wonder how many people aren’t thinking “the girl on the right is more attractive” but rather “the girl on the left is out of my league and given all factors I’ll go for the girl on the right because (deep down) I think (s)he’s more attainable.”

  • YaReally
    on April 2, 2013 at 1:40 am
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    “I wonder how many people voted for the girl (dude) on the right not because he was hotter, but because that’s the one he thought he could get.”

    The psychology behind this (sense of entitlement, reticular activation system, ego-protection, etc) is part of why the roosh crew rants and raves about how there are only fat ugly damaged women in North America. There are plenty of awesome smokin’ hot chicks who come with the same values and skills and shit the EE girls come with…but those guys sub-consciously know they’d never be able to get those girls here because their value is low in this culture since they don’t have social skills, so those girls become literally invisible to them. They would walk into a crowd and not see those girls because they’re so far outside of their reality. You could point right at one, and he’d go “I dunno…she’s probably bitchy or can’t cook or is shallow” and disqualify her because their sub-conscious knows she would disqualify them instantly and fuck their ego up.

    Then they fly to EE where they’ve been told their money, Americanness, etc will give them a leg up even if they have shitty game, no social skills, not much money, bad looks etc, so they get off the plane thinking by default that the women there will be more attainable and suddenly they’re surrounded by 10s and “you guys just don’t understand, the 10 in America is a 2 in EE” because these hot amazing ATTAINABLE-in-their-minds girls are showing up on their radar.

    Reality is there are plenty of awesome chicks here. They just aren’t interested in guys who have a bitter chip on their shoulder, angst over the unfairness of the red pill, guys who find socializing and being fun/cool (you know, being a normal high value guy instead of a creepy shadow-lurker hoping to leap out and run some game and carry a girl off to his basement) to be “too much work”, etc.

    It’s similar to how super beta guys at the bar, even if they’re good looking, are literally invisible to hot girls (ugly/average girls see and approach them tho lol). Like the really hot girls’ minimum criteria is “have the balls to approach me” so if a guy can’t do that he’s so outside of her reality as a potential partner for herself that he doesn’t exist to her.

    This is part of why it’s important to start approaching hotter women once you get the hang of Game and you’ve had your fun with the middle-ground girls. Even if you don’t GET the hotter women, you’re breaking down barriers in your mind that allow you to see those girls and think “that’s for me, I can GET that!” instead of your sub-conscious instantly writing them off as “that’s for other guys, not guys like me :( ” and not letting them show up on your radar.