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Don’t Split The Housework If You Want The Love To Last

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Anonymous
on September 29, 2012 at 12:04 pm
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Let’s remember a caveat that today’s blog contributor forgot to add:

You cut your balls off the day you give a woman a key to your home.

An alpha is supposed to have a harem. Unless he’s doing well enough to have a separate apartment, he must keep his main squeeze from having a key to his place. This is obvious. Where are you going to have your way with the other women? If he is young and mooching off a woman who has a place of her own, he’s already a castrated bitch.

In a few seconds the bell will ring with a visitor to my place. She needs to be gone within an hour because the main squeeze comes over then.

If she had the key, she’d think of coming early while she believes I’m still out.

That is the basic situation you should be working with.

Now, a lot of cleaning up around the home is good for making sure the other girls did not leave any traces behind.

Stuff goes into the laundry sometimes smelling like the perfume of other females.

Long hairs can be in the sink.

You see where I’m going here.

The bachelor with the put together pad is the one less likely to get caught.

And being a good cook is often what gets to them to your place on the second or third date.

But always make them do the dishes.


  • Anonymous
    on September 29, 2012 at 12:19 pm
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    In fact, I’d like to exchange ideas with guys who know what I’m talking about. What traces will get you caught? Where are the best, last second places to hide things? Can you flush condoms safely down the toilet or could they come back up somehow at the wrong time? I won’t take the chance on that.

    Wine corks. They almost got me caught a few times. They fly off and land on the floor somewhere. Or they remain on the corkscrew which prompts a “honey, what’s a cork doing on the corkscrew?”

    Remember when I wrote above that you should always let them do the dishes. That depends on who and when. Scenarios:

    2 wine glasses unwashed and with the unwashed dishes, not ready for the next dinner party like they are supposed to be.

    You’d think that’s a rookie mistake, but you’d be surprised.

    Two glasses or cups sitting side by side on the table.

    More tips?


    • YaReally
      on September 29, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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      Here’s a tip: quit scurrying around in the shadows like a pussy and set the frame from the start of a relationship where you’re up-front about being non-monogamous and expect her to be monogamous.

      “But YaReally that can’t be done!”

      Sure it can. I’m in one (2 years so far) right now. It’s one of the most preferred types of LTRs for PUAs and there’s plenty of literature on how to arrange it. Hell, I left a bunch of details on how to do it in one of these comment sections, can’t remember which article off the top of my head though.

      And for the random girls, there’s a framed pic of my GF on my nightstand so they know not to expect monogamy/commitment from me either. (she gave it to me hoping it would scare off other girls lol)

      But some people get off on the drama of almost getting caught, like the guy here who clearly sprang a boner just TYPING about the wine corks and hairs in the bathroom and oh my what a scandal!!! So if that floats your boat more power to ya lol

      No respect for cheaters. If you’re not done playing the field, don’t promise a chick monogamy. Scurrying around like Gollum hiding your shit means 1) you’re too pussy to be honest about your desires/wants, 2) you have too much of a scarcity mindset and one-itis to risk losing the girl over it, or 3) you know your game is too shitty to get another girl just as good as her if she’s not on board with it.

      I do agree with not giving her your key though. I’ve literally told girls there’s no reason for them to have my key lol they give me theirs though. My GF asked me not to bang other girls in her apartment when she’s away…smart girl lol


      • YaReally
        on September 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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        Here, I dug it up for you. How to set up a relationship where you’re monogamous and she’s not:

        http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/sext-game/#comment-347499

        (you can get more strict with how much freedom she has depending on what you prefer but I like to let them choose not to sleep around rather than demand it because I trust my game/value and I can get another girl if she goes too far)


    • Anonymous
      on September 29, 2012 at 8:48 pm
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      If you’re alpha, why do you need to hide your harem?


      • Anonymous
        on September 30, 2012 at 10:37 am
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        I like your attitude but it’s still a good idea to keep condom wrappers and long hairs from spoiling the mood of a new girl. And, as YaReally noted on that other thread, if your primary was your girl before you started reading this blog, you won’t be able to change the rules on her so easily and you’re best not letting traces show too much that you might be doing other girls in the bed she shares with you three nights per week. Cleaning up shows discretion.


        • YaReally
          on September 30, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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          “it’s still a good idea to keep condom wrappers and long hairs from spoiling the mood of a new girl.”

          lol I leave a condom wrapper on the ground just barely peeking out from under my bed. It says to new girls that I hook up with other girls without my having to actually say it out loud. Helps set the frame that we’re just casually fucking.

          But I do most of my escalating outside of the bedroom, I don’t hang out with girls listening to music and having drinks in my bedroom. So by the time I lead her into my room we’re already well on our way to sex so the condom wrapper doesn’t trigger her ASD/LMR the way it could if we went in before it was 100% on.

          Plus I’m the asshole right from the start so the wrapper and finding long hairs isn’t a surprise to them like it would be if I was pretending to be a gentleman.


          • YaReally
            on September 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm
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            As I think about it this I actually just a matter of congruency. My GF’s pic on my nightstand and condom wrappers and girl’s hair around etc is congruent with the personality/frame I have. It’s not “omg a wrapper” it’s “oh ya a wrapper, that makes sense” so they don’t freak out. If your style of game is more “oh no I’m not that kind of guy” then that stuff would be incongruent and they’d be more likely to freak out.

            Really a lot of game isn’t about “that’s offensive to me”, it’s about “that isn’t congruent to who I thought he was, and that unsettles me and makes me want to flake or get ASD/LMR etc”.

            Like the Joker says “Nobody panics when things go “according to plan”…even if the plan is HORRIFYING.” lol that actually describes the concept of congruency pretty well.


    • Simon Corso
      on September 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm
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      I came to the conclusion a few years ago that honesty is the best policy.

      At one point I was juggling 4 girls. One kept pushing for exclusive rights. I finally gave in, at least verbally, later got caught and ended up with the word BASTARD keyed into the side of my car. My comprehensive insurance rate increased $4.12 a month.

      Your main squeeze must understand that you are too independent and that you have too many options for ” that kind of commitment “. You can tell her she’s your favorite and that she means a lot to you. But do not, under any circumstance, sacrifice your independence.

      You don’t tell her that you’re sleeping with other girls but you don’t deny it either.

      Girls who come to my home immediately see evidence laying around in plain sight. Earrings on the microwave , bracelets on the coffee table, tampons in the cabinet under the bathroom sink.
      ” Whose is this ? ”
      ” I dunno .”
      ” What do you mean ‘ you don’t know ‘ ?”
      ” Can’t remember. ”
      ” ??? ”
      ” If I went snooping through your house would you be able to tell me where every single item came from ? ”

      Stressing yourself out about hiding all that evidence is a complete waste of your time. Women , for all the common sense they lack, are usually very perceptive when it comes to sensing how long it’s been since the last time you got some. Ditching the evidence will give you the ability to deny ,but she will still “feel” it. Sooner or later you’ll get sloppy or miss a detail and she’ll have the evidence to back up that feeling and you’ll end up with some unflattering word scrawled into the side of your car.

      Moreover not allowing exclusivity is a huge DHV. Keeps her on her toes to know she must compete for your affections. Never forget that most women would rather share an alpha than own a beta.

      Obviously this doesn’t always work. But it depends largely on the precedent that’s been set with your main. If you’ve offered or allowed a commitment she’s going to have trouble accepting new terms. If you’ve been straight up from the beginning then you’re just being congruent. She can accept your terms, or try her luck on the carousel.


      • YaReally
        on September 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm
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        Yep. I agree with all of this.

        There was a PUA a long time back named Bad Boy who recommended trying both hiding it and cleaning the hairs and earrings up and being up front about it and leaving it all out, and THEN deciding which one you prefer in terms of what fits your lifestyle and how guilty you do or don’t feel and which one brings you more drama and which one is congruent to your vibe etc.

        I recommend the same thing. Like I say, some people get off on the secrecy and risk of getting caught. I know plenty of girls who love when their BFs/husbands almost catch them cheating. I prefer the honest route tho because if I had a vehicle I wouldn’t want bad words carved into it lol


  • Tyrone
    on September 29, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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    It’s been my experience that women deliberatly leave stuff at your place so as to 1) establish a foothold towards a beachhead towards eventual move in; 2) Stake out her territory so as to sabotage any rivals sleeping over.


    • Laguna Beach Fogey
      on September 29, 2012 at 1:37 pm
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      Agreed.

      I’m currently banging a hot little 20-year old blonde who I swear was deliberately smearing her make-up on my pillows and duvet.

      When she caught me throwing my used Magnum condom in the toilet, she chided me: “Are you afraid I’ll take it and put it back in me?”


      • YaReally
        on September 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm
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        lol’ed at dropping Magnum in there



YaReally
on September 29, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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The jezzies are not fans of the study lol:

http://www.jezebel.com/5947458/men-doing-housework-causes-divorce-says-department-of-lazy-husbands

As you can tell from the URL, it doesn’t even make it two sentences into the first paragraph before getting sarcastic and tossing it away and rationalizing everything to fit the “ignore what’s in front of you and just do what we tell you” feminist brainwashing lol

Also:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/09/dont-believe-every-study-you-read/57388/

There’s a link to an amazing “debunking” of the study which includes gems such as a hamster exploding 10x in one paragraph:

“Studies, though, whether we like what they have to say or not, need always to be taken with a grain (or many) of salt, because they’re just studies. They often focus on small numbers of people of particular backgrounds or nationalities. They are not universal. They are simply a look at a certain part of a population. Data can be manipulated to serve a variety of purposes. And not every researcher is completely objective”

Funny how all those caveats (the full paragraph is even longer) are never mentioned on Jezzie when the study is about how shitty and useless men are.

It ends with this brilliant conclusion:

“But, yeah, clearly sharing housework is not the reason couples split. Come on, people.”

Well I’M convinced. Pass me my apron with the pink frills!



Laying Down The Law On Attention Whores

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blah
on September 28, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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Hope she leaves the poster, or he leaves her. Yuck, what an ass.

If a man starts talking to me like he is in charge of both our lives and makes “rules” on his own, I tend to see that as a red flag, that he is a controlling person and I know to stay away from him.


  • Greg Eliot
    on September 28, 2012 at 1:51 pm
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    Five bucks says blah has a tramp stamp.


    • Libertardian
      on September 28, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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      No bet. Who doesn’t in these dissolute days?


      • YaReally
        on September 28, 2012 at 4:45 pm
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        Mine is a butterfly.



YaReally
on September 28, 2012 at 3:12 pm
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Allow me to translate the OP: “Thing are going pretty good but she keeps testing my authority with stupid shit. It’s cool though, we’re going to move in together so that she doesn’t have to worry about me Next’ing her or fucking other girls or basically have any worry whatsoever that I’ll leave her. Voluntarily giving away all my Hand will definitely help me lay down the law in the future. I mean shit, I should just marry her so I’m legally required to give all the Hand to her, that’s an even better idea!!”

You ever watch Dog Whisperer? You ever see Caeser talk about how you don’t reward the dog with attention and petting while it’s barking at the door, you wait until it’s settled down before rewarding it? Do you know WHY he advises not rewarding a dog that’s still in a state where it’s acting out?

…cause you’re gonna find out the hard way lol



Irminsul
on September 28, 2012 at 3:13 pm
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I thought ultimatums were a sign of weakness? There must be a subtle line I’m not getting here. From my experience, you show what you want but you have to be careful not to come of as insecure.


  • MikeV
    on September 28, 2012 at 3:28 pm
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    What ultimatum? He simply tells her to stop/I don’t like what you’re doing. When she doesn’t comply, or goes ape, she simply chops her. No drama. No ultimatum. Communication/Fact/Action.


    • MikeV
      on September 28, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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      Sorry, typo: “What ultimatum? He simply tells her to stop/I don’t like what you’re doing. When she doesn’t comply, or goes ape, HE simply chops her. No drama. No ultimatum. Communication/Fact/Action.


      • uh
        on September 29, 2012 at 8:24 am
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        Agreed.

        As YaReally notes, the OP is in the middle of the positive reinforcement trap.

        This is obvious oneitis. He has forgotten the law of the Fungibility of Cunt. There are other one-hundred pound 8′s in this world. So, he’s either too hooked on banging this one to let go, or isn’t absolutely confident that he can find another.

        Thing is, if he were to dump this one cold after she failed the patriarchal veto, he’d be giving himself positive reinforcement for the next conquest. Banging an 8 is great, but dumping one is divine.


        • YaReally
          on September 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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          You don’t understand, guys…this one is SPECIAL!!

          Of course she is lol



YaReally
on September 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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Droppin’ some PUA Knowledge Bombs on y’all about Next’ing and handling disobedience:

The super in-depth guide:
http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?5492-How-To-Soft-Next-Step-by-step-instructions-and-answers-to-questions

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2929-How-to-have-a-100-DRAMA-FREE-Relationship&p=25144&viewfull=1#post25144

http://puarticles.blogspot.ca/2008/01/relationship-rules.html?m=0

http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?3451-Textbook-clean-LTSNFE

We have a shit-load more about this stuff but the forum that had most of it has been deactivated and I’m too lazy to dig it up right now. This’ll get you started on managing relationships the PUA way.


  • immoralgables
    on September 28, 2012 at 5:24 pm
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    Good looks dude.

    Btw I started reading the Mystery Method Collaberation you posted a couple weeks back. It’s solid. Funny to see TD and crew during PUs infancy. I’m 100 pages thru and appreciate the AMOG section. It gives you the tools to not feel scared of being punked in a social setting.

    Keep up the knowledge flow at least one person is using it, absorbing it and putting it to practice.

    -IG


    • YaReally
      on September 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm
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      Glad you’re getting good use out of it. Those were really some epic days back then. Everything was a new revelation and we were psyched to go out and try this stuff out. Now there’s more of a complacency feeling because its like “okay we know pretty much everything now, here’s the routine trainin guide, follow this and you’re on your way”. There’s still discoveries and simplifying and making things more efficient and linking the background logic between concepts together and all that but it’s not the same as like “holy shit guys if you insult a girl she wants to bang you wtf is this sorcery I’ve discovered???”

      Befriending is the best AMOG tech but depending on where you game, what kind of crowd you’re gaming in, and what level of girls you’re gaming it can be necessary to break out some more ruthless stuff. Read the Boyfriend Destroying tech, it fits the AMOG’ing and you can use it with her on guys who aren’t the girl’s boyfriend but are trying to pick her up.



Keen
on September 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm
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So how exactly would you go about laying down the law if they’re resisting? You say “I don’t like it when you do this” and they say “so what” or go on about how they’re allowed to do it. Do you just shrug and go on with your day, or freeze them out and ignore them, or what.


  • YaReally
    on September 28, 2012 at 8:02 pm
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    Read the shit I linked.

    All this stuff has already been mapped out step by step by the PUA community. The info is just sitting there for anyone to read and learn it lol



King A (Matthew King)
on September 29, 2012 at 1:00 am
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Yeah, but what’s the racial angle to all this?


  • YaReally
    on September 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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    I lol’ed



From Pickup To Date To Pull: The Full Video

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askjoe
on September 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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Re: the tweet on that awful (awfully long) cougar article. What the hell? As a man, I was instantly overwhelmed by its prolixity. Then I realized, bitches can just yap on the phone for hours, so all she did was probably transcribe a couple of her lunch get together and telephone calls with her other aging, horrible friends.

and yes, TL;DR has got to be some new weapon against the female credentialist class.


  • Anonymous
    on September 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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    I read it yesterday in print and yes, that’s exactly what it was — a long transcription of a conversation between four divorced women (and one married one) bitching about men … AFTER the women had extracted all possible resources from the ex-husbands.

    She even categorized men according to the type of resource he offers (financial man, emotional man, genetic man). Presumably to help younger women extract more efficiently.

    Damn. Sandra Tsing Loh is usually better than that. It’s disappointing. Especially in an otherwise great magazine.

    [heartiste: women who start talking about "extraction" in the context of finding men are, it's been my observation, bitter has-beens trying to pump up their rapidly imploding egos. most truly feminine, desirable women talk about finding love, and bless them for it.]


    • askjoe
      on September 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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      Just think, what’s the meaning of life? Get married and divorce butt-raped by bitter hags like STL? There’s got to be more.

      [heartiste: people scoffed when i said game -- aka learned charisma -- was necessary for men to navigate the new girl order, and to right the sinking ship of the west. but game helps give men options. and options means being able to avoid cunts like tsing loh. we'll see how long they continue to scoff.]


      • askjoe
        on September 27, 2012 at 5:05 pm
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        Indeed, I don’t know about tsing loh but I’ll bet that she’s not finding being divorced, forty+, and fabulous as awesome as sex & the city made it out to be. They’re now competing against girls half their age (as we’ve read many a femmy complain about).

        As for the guys, learned charisma will help them choose between the path of Yareally’s boner-dad or duchovney. I think the femmy projection which is that unmarried men “wind up alone in the nursing home” (when you take everything to their extremes) to be bullshit when you hear about all the stds and sex that taking place now. You can, as a guy, apparently harem until your mind conks out.

        Until that point, hopefully, men can prevent this type of rejection, or get over it quicker with the old knowledge of manliness being reintroduced to the world.


        • YaReally
          on September 27, 2012 at 7:03 pm
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          I can’t resist asking: What in the world is a “boner-dad”??


          • YaReally
            on September 28, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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            lol I totally didn’t notice that. File-naming fail!



YaReally
on September 27, 2012 at 4:47 pm
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Straight-up, anyone posting about how this is bullshit, fake, she’s an actor, etc. is just tipping their hand showing they don’t go out and sarge regularly.

Even if she WAS a hired actress, there’s nothing he’s doing in this video that’s impossible or unbelievable. This is just a normal day-game pickup. Some are smoother, some are more chaotic, but this is entirely do-able when you’re intermediate+ in the game.

The guys saying he’s try-hard and she’s just being polite etc are also tipping their hand. You have to lead the interaction through all the bullshit the girl will throw up at you. In night game you won’t get as much hassle because girls know the night might lead to sex but for a chick walking around during the day, the LAST thing she’s expecting is to end up making out or sleeping with some stranger.

Like literally the “proof” that this can work is: GO OUT AND DO IT YOURSELF lol

Are any of the commenters who go out still here or has this place been taken over by Stormfront keyboard jockeys?


  • YaReally
    on September 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm
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    P.S. No idea who Justin Wayne is. He’s in the middle ground between the Manosphere and PUAs so I don’t care about his stuff or his reputation or marketing. I’m just going by this video and saying that what you’re seeing in this particular video isn’t anything special or impossible when you do pickup, whether this video is legit or not.


  • corvinus
    on September 27, 2012 at 6:19 pm
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    Are any of the commenters who go out still here or has this place been taken over by Stormfront keyboard jockeys?

    To be fair, one would expect that alpha and wannabe alpha white guys are more likely to be white nationalist than the average beta out there. In a high-T environment, men tend to get a We’re-No.-1 attitude. On the other hand, omegas are much more likely to turn gay.


    • littlepdog
      on September 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm
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      Homosexuality is biological. Heartiste has even posted about this, and how male relatives of gay guys have more reproductive success.

      As for alpha’s being white nationalists, bullshit. Roosh was right when he chalked up the white nationalist, HBD crowd as being a bunch of angry frustrated white guys who take out their lack of game on black dudes. Guys who are having success don’t really give a fuck. The Roosh Forum’s Obama vs Romney poll had Obama get 67% of the vote if that’s any indication of how players vote, which was surprised by considering that a lot of posters are very far right.

      Reading the comments here it becomes painfully obvious the WN’s aren’t actually practicing game. The reason H doesn’t care about miscegenation is because as a player he’s fucked and wants to fuck girls regardless of their race as long as they’re hot. The same is true for all players even if they prefer one race of girl over the other. They’re not white nationalist because for the most part WN and Game are incompatible due the the above, due to the fact that an alpha isn’t going to have an irrational insecurity of black dudes fucking “their women” and because they don’t fucking pedestalize the shit out of white girls like WN’s do, which ironically contributes to girls fucking dudes from other races.

      Heartiste, your comment sections have become a laughing stock because of all these WN’s. If they had game and weren’t pathetic snivelling betas I can see why you’d keep them, but they’ve made your blog a laughing stock. Purge the StormFront keyboard jockeys Soviet Russia style.

      [heartiste: sure. and then we'll top the night off with a good old-fashioned book burning.]


      • YaReally
        on September 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm
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        @littlepdog: Very well said. I agree 100%.

        I’ve said it before, PUA boards aren’t full of racist shit because when you actually go out a lot and socialize with a lot of people you meet people from other cultures/races (even if you don’t chat them up directly, you meet them via your wide social circles, or the girl’s social circles, etc) and you realize that all races work the same: most people are pretty cool and normal but there’s a handful of fucktards in the group (like WNs) who are an embarrassment to the rest of the group.

        That’s why I don’t respond to the “scathing” Obama-voter nigger-lover insults. It’s the equivalent of 5yo’s calling me a poo-poo head. The 5yo thinks he’s really burned me because in his world that’s a devestating insult but the reality is he’s just a retarded child lol


  • YaReally
    on September 27, 2012 at 7:08 pm
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    Guys, guys, take your mouths off my cock for one minute here, I think the important issue that we SHOULD be addressing is the whole Greg + children issue.

    Although I don’t believe he was ever ACTUALLY convicted of touching his 5yo neice, you guys have to agree that doing that is pretty fucked up.



Jason773
on September 28, 2012 at 12:17 pm
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So many of these comments have gone full retard. I don’t care if the video is real or fake, I just know the scenario is completely plausible because I have done it, and friends have done it.

Anyone who thinks this can’t be done is clearly a KJ.

H, you really need to start moderating some of the idiots on here. The discussion can be quite good at times, but other times it can be awful.


  • Greg Eliot
    on September 28, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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    Telling us that some street minstrel can, on occasional, cold play a random lady of indeterminate virtue on any given Sunset Boulevard that is the West is not a revelation, chum.

    Nobody here doubts that.

    A stronger reading comprehension would be in order before the idiots and full retards are Rooney rifled.


    • Jason773
      on September 28, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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      Case in point. You bring the worthless drivel in full force. I don’t care if the video is fake or not, and I also don’t care if da black menz are dickin’ da white wommenz. I’m white, but I’ve dicked the white wommenz, asian wommenz, black wommenz, hispanic wommenz and even one poonjab womenz.

      Instead of bitching about everything, I actually put game principals to practical use, fuck a variety of hot chicks, and have the ability to settle down with a chick that I deem acceptable based on my criteria. All other discussion about some dudes named Dontrelle or Jamarcus, or how this video can’t possibly be real is pointless.


      • Greg Eliot
        on September 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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        Case in point: You seem to do your fair share of bitching.

        As far as your own journey through the mine fields of STDs, well… that’s what is pointless to this discussion at hand.


        • YaReally
          on September 28, 2012 at 5:55 pm
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          I guess your overweight wife would have to actually have sex with you for you to catch an STD hey Greg? Way better option than picking up girls for sure.

          I agree 100% with everything Jason773 wrote there.



“Get lost”

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Anonymous
on September 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm
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I’m glad CH agrees that it’s unforgivable for a woman to say Get Lost.

Let’s remember that all PUA advice should withstand the “Would feminists agree with this advice” test.

It used to be that almost all PUA advice used different rationalizations than feminists would use but still arrived at the same accepted behaviors that feminists ultimately approved of. PUA experts wrote books where they said things like “Don’t ever lie to a woman such as about your age. That’s weak and the karma will hit back at you”. Feminists loved watching these PUA experts carry water for them like that.

Now, thanks in large part to CH, PUA advice goes more on the principle “If feminists would approve of this advice, notwithstanding the different logic that went into it, it would still be bad advice”.

So it’s great that CH didn’t say “All men should walk away and let women get away with telling men to “get lost” because it will show that the man “doesn’t care”.

Because that advice would have been exactly what feminists not only expect but demand.


  • evilalpha
    on September 24, 2012 at 5:47 pm
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    Both PUA’s and feminists agree that you should use a condom. So do 4 out of 5 dentist surveyed… Raw dogging is not the answer.


    • Anonymous
      on September 26, 2012 at 5:37 am
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      That’s funny but I hope you’re not denying here that the PUA scene used to be pro-feminist just a few years ago and many famous hucksters were writing books and using their real names because they knew their “advice” was basically what older women wanted to hear.

      A real PUA expert has to be anonymous like CH because the best advice will be hated by hags. Feminism has only to do with it because feminism, like any other religion, encourages older women to speak out and be heard and try to force changes in male behavior when they should shut up and let men do what they want.

      In the case of raw-dogging, that’s not an issue older women care about because feminism has made it so women are covered either way (outrageous child support laws vs taxpayer funded birth control).

      You can say feminists and PUAs might agree that chocolate ice cream is the best flavor. That’s because feminist ideology doesn’t consider the issue important.

      On every issue that feminists consider important, PUAs should think differently and come to opposite conclusions not just differing forms of reasoning in order to come to the same conclusions.

      Lying to women about your age, paying virgins for sex, supporting a polygamous lifestyle, telling them the truth about evo psych when they get uppity about their youth and beauty. These are all issues important to feminists (the sexual trade union for older women). They don’t want men to lie, buy, sleep with someone younger or tell the truth about their fast aging. They want PUAs to come to the same conclusions regardless of the reasoning the PUAs purport to use to get there.

      This blog became popular because it pisses on what the opposing trade union wants. Go ahead and agree with fembots about raw-dogging and chocolate ice cream. But oppose them on the issues they care about most.


      • YaReally
        on September 27, 2012 at 7:39 pm
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        wow you’re crazy. I regret putting so much effort into writing a coherent response below lol


  • YaReally
    on September 24, 2012 at 8:14 pm
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    We say don’t lie about your age because you don’t have to. Lying about your age is a sign that you’re insecure about it and/or concerned in some way with what the girl will think of it. Saying you’re the age you think she wants to be is approval seeking, like dressing how you think she likes or pretending to have hobbies you think she’ll approve of.

    Nothing to do with feminism.


    • Anonymous
      on September 25, 2012 at 3:59 pm
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      As a young man you don’t know what you’re talking about on this subject.

      This has been covered many times before. With respect to your knowledge on other aspects of game, you’re flat out wrong and CH can even back this up.

      And it’s absurd for a man under 30 to even try to weigh in on it, unless they look 22 but are really 29 and realize that telling an 18 year old the truth would make things a lot harder. But, even then, the real issue is when the man is more than 15 years older than the girl.

      This is one of the biggest things feminists want PUAs to agree with them on.

      But this blog has covered the issue many times and the jury is in: While in most cases you can say “You guessed right” when you make them guess, if push comes to shove and they really need to hear a number not more than 15 years older, you have to say that number (15 years older and no more).


      • Anonymous
        on September 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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        With respect to your knowledge on other aspects of game, you’re flat out wrong,

        I meant “With all due respect, you’re flat out wrong on this point”.

        You’re pretty good on most other points Yeareally. You just don’t understand this at all because you’re probably 15 years away from this being an issue for you personally.

        But if you ever tell a 43 year old man who looks 33 that he should tell that 19 year old feminist American girl the truth, you’d committing a crime on him.


        • YaReally
          on September 26, 2012 at 3:56 am
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          I’ve known 18-25 year old girls knowingly banging 40-60yos. Young chicks will bang George Clooney and Brad Pitt. A bunch of the top PUA instructors are in their mid to late 30s. If you have high enough value to the girl and you frame it right, your age won’t matter much (unless you want to date the girl long-term where you’ll have to meet her social circle who will judge her).

          Doing 50 like a boss:

          http://smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net/806D5E/wordpress-L/images/californication-s31.jpg

          Doing 50 like a chump:

          http://images.wikia.com/dadboner/images/4/4a/DAD,Dad_in_his_office_338HeritageDr-20010216-GALLERY-1-.jpg

          Sometimes girls will want you to lie so they can justify it but you can start with the truth. Actual conversation I’ve had:

          “how old are you?”
          “31.”
          “ewww no way you can’t be, how old are you REALLY??”
          “24.”
          “whew that’s better. I’m SO glad you aren’t REALLY 31…”
          (makeout)

          She just thought I was high value enough that she needed me to be within the age range she’s pictured herself in. But there was no problem telling her my real age right off the bat. If I can tell she’s super young, like 18-19 my first response will be “Way too old for YOU.” which starts her asking questions and investing, and after I say my age I’ll throw in an “Are you intimidated by older men?” to get her qualifying herself.

          Take care of yourself (body and grooming), be an outgoing social guy (be the guy who’s important and knows everyone and has social power instead of an insecure creepy old man lurking around with a beer up at his chest), and don’t dress like you’re a silicon valley office drone.

          I’m not saying you won’t instantly get cut from a number of chicks compared to a guy who’s younger, but if you just want to lie to get laid, fuck it, why not say you’re a rocket scientist and find out what hobbies she’s into and pretend to like those and hide your own actual hobbies too? The point of self-development is to learn to accept and express yourself and improve yourself to the point where you aren’t ashamed of yourself.

          On the flip side a newbie might want to lie just because he should be focusing more on approaching and running game in general until he gets the vibe of a guy who’s sexworthy, so whatever it takes to get in a set, go for it, my only issue is with how absolute you are on this like it’s set in stone.


          • YaReally
            on September 27, 2012 at 4:05 pm
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            People said the reverse when I was younger. “Ohh you’re only 23, you have to say you’re 30+ to get the cougars, you can’t be less than X age.” I’ve fucked the age gamut from 17 all the way to 49 lol

            People told me you can’t tell a girl you have a girlfriend or she won’t sleep with you. I literally keep a big framed photo of my GF on my nightstand beside my bed and bang girls while they can see it and know 100% that I have a GF. My friends are mind-blown by this, their first question is ALWAYS “don’t you hide it when you have another girl over?” And the reality is that I did at first until I decided to experiment and see if that was a limiting belief. I lost a few girls as I calibrated it but over time I learned how to control the frame to make it work.

            People told my short buddy he couldn’t get taller girls and he does regularly. The only reason you think your limiting belief is more valid than the others is because it affects you directly right now.

            “You can’t say you’re more than 15 years older than the target.”

            Okay, the next time I’m at a college bar (my buddies are younger than me so we hit them a lot) I’ll tell girls I’m 40. It won’t make a difference in my results except that it’ll take more frame control to make them look past it.

            “The only time I tried that the target turned off…”

            Well that’s kind of the problem right there. Try it a hundred times. This is exactly the same as a short guy going “I talked to a tall girl once and she said I was too short so it’s not possible for short guys to get taller girls”.

            I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m saying you can’t break thru a limiting belief with a small sample size.

            “Read Lily’s rundown…treated the movie star badly.”

            A whole one sample again. Do the thousands of women who’d bend over backwards to fuck Clooney cancel that sample out or do you ignore that “data” because it doesn’t support your limiting belief?

            “If you think you’re physically the younger age, you’re actually not really lying.”

            You can justify it to yourself however you want, as long as you understand that that’s what you’re doing.

            “Ask CH to do another post about it.”

            I completely don’t care what CH says (no offense CH). What I care about is that I’ve gone out in the field enough and SEEN guys shattering this belief you have. I’ve literally watched it happen (my social circles are of all sorts of age ranges).

            Your problem is this: you are too afraid to really test this out and risk losing a bunch of pussy because you come from a scarcity frame where when you do get a girl you’re scared to risk fucking it up so you keep re-enforcing your own limiting belief because you’re not gathering any reference experiences to shatter it. And each time you lie and succeed, you’re just further re-enforcing the belief that “lying about my age = getting pussy”.

            So not only are you not gathering any reference but you’re looking to others for support. So you find an article by CH or whoever the “treated an aging movie star badly” girl was and these feed into your belief as well, and make you feel good about it. This is just your Reticular Activation System saying “this is my belief now lets find evidence to support it.”

            You are too afraid to lose the girl because your mind flashes back to the “set you up with my mom” incident that scarred your psyche, so you’ll continue not just limiting yourself but also projecting it onto other men like you’re doing, to make yourself feel better about it and to avoid admitting that you haven’t tested it enough to make the conclusions you’re making.

            Plenty of 35+ year olds are banging 18-20 year olds who know their age. This is ALL AROUND YOU. You just can’t see it because your RAS is shutting it out of your reality to protect the ego/identity your brain has built up for you that “I can’t do it so its not possible.”

            Limiting beliefs are tricky as fuck to destroy, and your mind will fight it every inch of the way because its invested and forged a large part of your outlook and behavior on those beliefs so it doesn’t want to admit that 1) it’s wrong, 2) other people can do what you can’t do an 3) allllll this time you could’ve been doing it too.

            You will probably completely ignore this, but I’m writing it for the lurkers more than to convince you of anything. Before I choked a girl in the bedroom I would’ve ignored anyone who told me girls like being choked during sex too.



YaReally
on September 24, 2012 at 4:51 pm
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This is also the jist of how to handle AMOGs. There’s a certain point where the AMOG is so legitimately fuming on the inside that it’s best to just leave the situation, but like 99% of the time you can not just calm him down but befriend him, by staying unreactive, calm, and controlling the frame.

Part of keeping a strong frame in these situations is having 100% belief that the thing the other person wants to happen (you to quit hitting on her friend, you to engage in a fist-fight, you to do whatever a bully wants, etc) is not just not going to happen, but is not even something that COULD happen. As if the person was saying “fly to the moon RIGHT NOW grrrrr!!” it’s like your vibe is 100% calm and not even acknowledging his anger with logic (“there’s no rocketship and space flight…”), it’s just steamrolling over his frame with a vibe of no, that’s ridiculous, we’re all here having fun right now, there’s nothing to be upset over, it’s cool, we’re good.

You have to see/do this in person for it to not sound like bullshit but it’s gotten my ass out of sticky situations a lot of times. My openers and general flirting are WAY more offensive than most peoples’ so I cross the line into pissing girls or white knights who overhear what I’m saying off a lot and have collected a lot of experience in frame control because of it.

And yes, I do this with your big scary jacked up sparkly Affliction shirt wearing MMA buddies who would kick my ass in a real fight. If you combine it with pacing and leading their reality you can lead them into being your friend lol it’s pretty funny when a guy who wanted to kick your ass a few minutes ago is qualifying himself to you for approval and buying you a shot. This is advanced shit tho, you need field experience to learn the calibration. In the old days PUAs would purposely try to take girls from guys just to learn how to deal with the guys’ reactions lol

One of the best mentalities to keep in mind in these situs is to treat the girl like she’s your little 5yo niece. Would you really get upset or even logical engage in trying to convince her why she’s wrong or come up with a witty comeback when your little 5yo niece is saying “you’re a poopy-head!!!”? No, if anything it would make you chuckle. It sure as shit wouldn’t affect your feeling of self-worth or make you react butt-hurt, the whole notion of her being miffed at you would be cute and funny at worst and you’d treat it as such.

Now of course when I say treat her like your little 5yo niece, that doesn’t mean sneak into her room at night and touch her naughty places, Greg.


  • immoralgables
    on September 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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    I remember reading one of your comments where some White-knight who knew Kung fu was ready to kick your head in and you talked him out, fucked the girl he was white-knighting for and lived another day.

    At the end, a lot of us have that impulse to do and say that really cool or badass thing when being confronted. I still feel it but bottom line is that long term it is better to not have the arrest record, scars and violent stalkers that being “alpha” in confrontations causes.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2012 at 5:50 pm
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      That situ was scary as fuck lol it would’ve been one of those YouTube vids where you’re like “oh wow that guy’s head just got caved in no way he survived that”.

      Years later tho, who the fuck is that guy to me? I don’t even remember his name or face and guaranteed he never got with that chick. It would’ve been retarded to get my head caved in trying to protect my “alpha cred” by standing up to him. If anger is a 1-10 scale and 10 is unstoppable hulk rage, he was a 9. Most angry AMOGs are like the 4-7 range (though guys who don’t go out much imagine the 4-7s are all 10s) and can be calmed down. If I had tried to be witty or tough, dude would’ve tipped into the 10 range and I’d be toast. I remember it taking like a solid 10-20 min to get him from a 9 slowwwwwwly down to an 8 with multiple dips back into 9, then finally slowwwwly down into a 7 and I made my exit when he was around a 6 because I just needed to be able to stand up (I had been sitting against a brick wall almost totally defenseless) and walk around a nearby corner and having been at a 9 level it’s easy for him to jolt back into that…that’s why it’s best to pre-empt AMOGs and snuff all that our when they’re in the 2-4 range and then they never get the taste of adrenaline in the higher stage and they’re less likely to venture into it.

      Same concept as Caeser the Dog Whisperer snapping dogs out of escalating rage as soon as their ears perk up at a passing car instead of waiting till they’re chasing it in anger.


  • Greg Eliot
    on September 24, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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    Now of course when I say treat her like your little 5yo niece, that doesn’t mean sneak into her room at night and touch her naughty places, Greg.

    Good to know that there’s a line that even YOU won’t cross, Scatman.


    • YaReally
      on September 24, 2012 at 5:57 pm
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      ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-bop!


  • Anon
    on September 24, 2012 at 10:34 pm
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    Greg Eliot pedophile? No way. He’s all about WHITE CHILDREN!

    …Wait, what?


    • Greg Eliot
      on September 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm
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      Ya know, this shit ain’t really something to be joking about.

      I mean, I’m not surprised at what goes through YaReally’s mind, given that he admits to things like shitting on women as sexual play…

      But he should keep the more lurid thoughts to himself… and the names of other posters out of it.


      • (R)Evoluzione
        on September 24, 2012 at 11:50 pm
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        If you can’t stand the heat, Greg, stay out of the kitchen.


        • Greg Eliot
          on September 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm
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          Nice try, but it’s not really heat… leastwise, not fair heat.

          It’s more like sewage, and nobody like to stand around in it… except maybe those self-admitted purveyors of scat.


          • YaReally
            on September 25, 2012 at 2:42 am
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            Greg’s jimmies status: rustled.

            P.S. I did even more fucked up shit with a chick last week. You don’t even wanna KNOW lol



Neecy
on September 24, 2012 at 6:43 pm
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The only thing with telling a woman that has told you to get lost and you respond with “no I’m not going anywhere” even if you’re calm – if she’s that angry and bitchy nothing would stop her from calling security or police saying that you were harassing her and after she asked you to go away you said no.

I’d say just be careful b/c some women would go that far if she’s already pissed, angry or feeling somewhat cornered in her own mind.

Personally, telling a dude to “get lost” is beyond rude (granted hes not being a jerk or ass) I think the best thing a woman can do is just simply walk away if she’s THAT bothered.


  • YaReally
    on September 24, 2012 at 6:57 pm
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    This comes down to calibration.

    Guess how you get calibration everyone…? Go out. lol



Mudz
on September 25, 2012 at 11:45 am
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I’ll admit I had a much beloved experience like explicated in the article. I was having a good time at a party, hitting on girls, getting drunk really fast, and generally being a loveable douche, when the Queen Bitch of the girl clan decided to assert her social superiority, figuring that because I was being so openly lame that I’d be vulnerable to her acerbic and cutting assault of decribing precisely all of my failings that she had instantly divined, and that I’d be ripped up and left bleeding in a pool of my inadequacy. (Obviously, she’s fully embodies the character of ‘killjoy’).

Not only was I genuinely unimpressed by her (being a somewhat lower caliber of woman than I’m used to), I was in far too good a mood to care, and I only listened to her little flailing accostment (or whatever the word’d be) because I’m secretly courteous.

Turns out, courtesy completely annihilates Queen Bitches. Not only did I fully embrace my love of lameness (my crime was asking girls their names and trying to remember them like it was important, admittedly lame, except I was playing by my rules which unlames everything :D ), but I distinctly remember responding to what the Queen Bitch likely felt was a devastating expose’ of my inner child, that in the time that she had been talking to me she had completely lost my interest in any conversation with her (I was even so callous as to suggest that I wasn’t interested in learning her name anymore, not like I was before; not with someone so obviously anti-lame). I said this with what was to my recollection unfailing politeness and complete selfless honesty. And it totally gamed her. Not only did I basically put her away in a corner to contemplate her smallness, but I instantly won the love of all her (?) friends. And I did this with the equivalent alcohol-reduced IQ of an over-talkative (but seductive) orangutan. She was basically forced to concede that actually I was really awesome and King-like (and possessed of saint-like humility), and she was some sort of anachronistic stone-age douche for not immediately realising it.

I don’t know why, but somehow, it’s the most satisfying thing to devastate a douchebag by treating them really decently. (Well, I felt like I was being decent.) The best way to beat pettiness is to make them realise they are playing by your rules. (A modern interpolation of New Testament scripture about shining lamps and such, is my opinion. :D )

I think it must be so satisfying because you didn’t ‘beat’ someone by being a clever liar, you were the genuine you-should-be-admiring-me thing.

So while the defeated antagonist was not worth much in herself, as social conflicts go (of which I experience surprisingly few, which is why I remember this singular one), it’s still immensely satisfying to realise that retaliating with the combined fury of a thousand flying laserbears isn’t actually the Jack of Spades in these sitches. It must be why Jesus kicked ass.

Actually, come to think of it, I’ve done this twice. This time at the party was just combating pettiness, but I did something of this nature (because I behave more drunk when I’m sober to be honest, but I seldom need to defend my character) to another woman, except I was just converting a quite attractive woman to my team. It was glorious. And it’s all because I watched too much Kim Possible. Ron Stoppable is like the Nikola Tesla of my girl getting strategy. That dude has been vastly underestimated by a whole generation of cartoon watchers for his social acumen. XD
Don’t pretend you don’t TOTES love that cartoon too! O.O (Unless you haven’t seen it, in which case your life is a cold, bleak place. And see how I just embrace my deep-souled enigmatic ways?)

And I can see your suspicious telemetric thoughts, but this totally wasn’t just a beer-addled delusion of a party where I actually was a horrible crime against love, joy and merciful nature. I haz fotos. So HAH.

And just to clarify, this whole post wasn’t just so I could rub my sticky self-love all over your faces with unnecessarily invoked sexual imagery… Well no, actually it was. XD REGRET. REGRET YOUR LITERACY! O.O


  • YaReally
    on September 25, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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    You are awesome lol no sarcasm.


    • Anon
      on September 25, 2012 at 5:42 pm
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      You two should plan a date in a sandbox.


      • YaReally
        on September 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm
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        As long as there’s no pedophiles named Greg beside the sandbox, choosing their next victims from the children there.



Dimensions Of A Perfect Woman

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The Man Who Was . . .
on September 21, 2012 at 2:25 pm
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This reminds me. Most non-fat women can look decent, especially under 25, even under 30, so the number one thing is to stay in shape.

Therefore here is my girl game summary:

1. Maximize your looks. Get in shape, dress well, learn to use make-up properly. Make the most of what you have.

2. Learn how to be pleasant and feminine.

3. Don’t sleep around.

4.Put yourself out there. Socialize in mixed company and use an online dating site, preferably one of the better ones like Eharmony.

5. Don’t perfunctorily reject guys. Return their phone calls and texts. Don’t make a quick judgement after one or two dates.


  • YaReally
    on September 21, 2012 at 6:12 pm
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White Woman

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Adam
on September 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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  • YaReally
    on September 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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    I heart this one. Remember only a few damaged slutty whores with issues have rape fantasies, it’s certainly not common!

    …how many copies did this sell again? lol



Are Messy Girls Easier Lays?

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NoNameForThisOne
on September 20, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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Off-topic, concerning cuckold fetishism

À friend of mine is a sperm donor extraordinaire. Although willfully unemployed he has found himself a niche where he can impregnate as many women as possible. He must number well over the 100 children by now.

He, though smart and likeable, isn’t really, what’s the term, future oriented. He never wonders what will happen down the road, if you impregnate dozens and dozens of women. Anyway, that’s his problem. He chose his hell and will someday learn donating around isn’t very wise. But he’ll always have the memories, like this one.

I’ve told him repeatedly that most of the people on the net surfing for donors couldn’t be your everyday kind of normal reasoning people; his clientele ranges from, among other things, older spinsters to asexuals and from lesbian couples to married couples who can’t (or don’t want to) do the trick.

Anyway, as I said, he’s a donor extraordinaire and is being contacted from a website, he once owned, by people from foreign countries. He’s been to Spain, Kenya, Germany, Belgium, several other countries and South Africa. The latter country is where he met a couple who were out of love. The woman, an aging model, and her slightly younger douchebag pushy husband who only liked money more than sleeping around. Anyway, somehow these broken people decided their marriage needed saving by having another child.

What better way to think of than… yes, a sperm donor! Now, there’s one reason why there’s so much sperm bank by-passing these days. It’s a gateway for guys who can’t laid and older spinsters to have some sex on the side. This is how my friend gets most of his lays — and probably why he does it.

Now get this: the SA couple wanted him to come to SA, all paid for by them, to impregnate the cougar. Why the cheating douche didn’t, I don’t know and it doesn’t really matter. The douche, cougar and donor got into a talk and the douche actually asked the donor to fuck his cougar wife. He liked it better if his child would be conceived ‘normally’ — not through supposedly abnormal IVF…

My friend, amoral and horny, decided to go ahead, and indeed went upstairs to fuck the woman, which he did. The cougar wanted a bit of foreplay, and they didn’t get down to business immediately; suddenly the douche came into the room “to get something” 15 minutes later he came in again, looking at his wife being fucked by my donor friend.

My friend stayed for over a week and in this week he had sex multiple times with the woman, just so she could get the chance of pregnancy up. Everytime they had sex, the douche came in to get something, snoop around or stare at the spectacle.

After his strange trip he told me the absurd story and wondered what kind of freak would do such a thing. I told him, my boy, you’ve been set up by a cuckold fetishist.


  • YaReally
    on September 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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    lol two things:

    1) I’ve turned down the “bang my wife” scenario a few times for that reason. The dude always says he’ll stay downstairs or whatever but you know for sure their move is that he’ll need to get something from the room and they just hope you’re too into banging to freak out on them and just let it happen.

    That in itself isn’t horrible, I don’t mind an audience or I wouldn’t fuck girls public lol but in a lot of cases the dude is going to try to join in and then it’s weird unless you’re into the MFM 3-some thing (not me, even if the guy keeps his junk to himself, eww).

    The other trap is the wife who wants to get gangbanged by a bunch of dudes. But then you get there and the wife “will be right down, she wants us to be naked and hard for her” or whatever and then when you guys are naked and dude gets too close you realize oh hey, there IS no wife. Lol. I’ve known a couple guys who fell for that one.

    Some of them are legit and won’t try to join in and just get off on being cuckolded but you gotta be careful and watch for the red flags.

    2) I’d like to have offspring from a primal urge to reproduce and all, but I don’t want to raise it or settle with a woman to raise it. I’ve read that in North America, even an anonnymous donor clinic guy can be forced to pay child support if it’s in the best interest of the child. That’s fucked up to me and not worth the risk.

    I hadn’t thought about going foreign, but legally maybe that’s the way to go, like your friend. Interesting…maybe it’s time to start reading Roosh’s books.



Male Choosiness, Female Beauty And Monogamy

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YaReally
on September 19, 2012 at 11:39 pm
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Forcing a society to be monogamous just means that 1) guys like me will come up with sneaker ways to discreetly fuck everyone’s wives, 2) the girls will be easier to seduce because it’ll be so rare for a guy to attempt it that they won’t have any defense prepared (compare bitch shields in the day VS a nightclub), and 3) the girls will enjoy it more because it’ll be that much more forbidden and risqué and exciting.

And if I’m gonna go to all that trouble and take all that societal risk, it’s only gonna be for the hottest wives not the ugly ones. Thus the other guys will be raising my beautiful children lol


  • Stark
    on September 20, 2012 at 8:35 am
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    What if there are laws that make adultery punishable by death?


    • YaReally
      on September 20, 2012 at 9:06 am
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      Well that certainly stopped murder, didn’t it?


      • Northman
        on September 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm
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        Outlawing murder certainly lowers the rate of occurrence. Imagine if murder was legal. There would be no civilization anymore.


        • YaReally
          on September 20, 2012 at 6:53 pm
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          Murder leaves inevitably discoverable evidence in the form of “that person no longer exists and people no longer see them around” lol

          The only evidence a good affair leaves is that the satisfied smile on a woman’s face. ;)

          That’s why I say, monogamous societies still have the same shit we do. They just have to be sneaker.



Kill the Bunny

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2012 at 11:30 am
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I don’t know what you guys are talking about, this sounds like a fine healthy lesbian relationship between two women.

…wait wut? one of them is a man??

“Change her mood, not her mind.”

You are not push/pull’ing anything. You aren’t leading. Literally all you’re doing is letting her dictate the frame/reality and following along. Like someone else said, you’re playing catch-up. She can’t decide so she just spitballs dawson’s creek drama at you. But instead of cutting the shit and just fucking her you’re like “oh DO tell me what happened on last night’s episode! Dawson did WHAT? With WHO? Omg!!”

That’s why when you go “no shut up. Wednesday, be there.” she snaps to and shuts the TV in her head off and goes “yes sir!!”.

You know how to kiss her at work? Just pull her by the hand into the nearest closet or stairwell or around the corner from your co-workers, pin her against the wall (hand behind her head remember lol) and make out with her for a few seconds then walk away and leave her there.

She thought a work relationship would be hot and fun like in the movies and TV, that you’d be doing risky scandalous things and almost getting caught and it’d be so hot and sexual and passionate. Then you turn out to be the most boring version of that fantasy possible lol

It’s like someone telling you they’re setting you up with a playboy model, you’re so psyched bring it on this’ll be awesome, and then she arrives and it turns out she was a centerfold in the 60s because now she is old and gross. That letdown you’d feel, that’s what she feels.

Oh SoSuave, lol…you guys are so cute. Here’s a tip: quit trying to combine pickup with still being a Nice Guy (aka DJs). Just embrace being PUAs and come over to the dark side. We don’t have cookies but we have pussy.

[Been preaching that for years now]


YaReally
on September 19th, 2012 at 11:40 am
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Also, Mr Miyagi with wisdom for pickup in general. Think about how it relates to your situation and what everyone here is telling you:


YaReally
on September 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
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One more vid to drive the point home. You are being a “permission boy”. Just take what you want. But first: KNOW what you want, cause it doesn’t sound like you do.


Kill the Bunny

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YaReally
on September 19th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
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@dean

“My assumption is that every girl I meet has been fucked in every orifice by at least 20 alphas before me.”

Thinking/worrying about comparing yourself to other guys is just your ego fucking with you because it knows you have insecurities.

Maybe she’s fucked 20 alphas before you, but none of them were as good as you. “What you feel, she feels.” When you truly believe you’re better than any man she’s been with and any many she COULD be with and any many she’ll ever BE with, she will too. There are psychological principles behind this on both her and your side that make it work, but you don’t need to understand them to make this work for you.

Put it this way: George Clooney is NEVER wondering if he’s the best a girl’s ever had. Brad Pitt isn’t stressing how other guys have fucked Angelina Jolie. etc.


Kill the Bunny

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YaReally
on September 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am
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@Kevin

Oh, a newbie. That’s cute. I bet you’ve read The Game and EVERYTHING lol


Women Don’t Handle Rejection Well

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YaReally
on September 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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Relevant story about how fucked up women’s need for validation is, at 15:30 in this Tyler video:

I’ve seen this a bunch of times ’cause these days my flirting/escalating is on auto-pilot with pretty much whatever girl is in front of me, but I actually have really specific tastes in women so I end up getting the girl attracted, but then turning her down because she’s not my type. I’ve seen them do everything from break down crying to lashing out violently to getting hammered and causing a scene trying to get us thrown out, to lying to random guys to try to get them to beat me up, etc. lol

Hell, even her friends or the mother hens get into it sometimes, like I’m not as into their friend as I SHOULD be since she likes me so what’s my problem, why don’t I want to fuck her? Or she likes me why won’t I date her? lol it’s all super retarded from a logical perspective.

Anyway, that whole Tyler video is about validation in general, the difference between internal/external validation, giving women too much and not enough validation, etc. It’s good stuff if you’re intermediate/advanced and trying to get off the emotional ups & downs rollercoaster of “tonight I got laid! I’m king of the world!! …the next night I didn’t get laid, I’m so worthless!! :( ” external validation (which is useful at the start, it gets you to go out and sarge, but a few years in it’s healthy to transition).


  • RappaccinisDaughter
    on September 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm
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    Oh, so you’re that guy! I don’t “cold approach,” but if someone strikes up a conversation with me and acts interested, I may well ask for his phone number. Most of the time that’s been just fine, but on a couple of occasions, it’s turned out that he wasn’t really interested–just kind of flirting to pass the time. Or for practice, or out of habit, the way you do.

    The very first time it happened, it did kind of shock me. I actually felt my face going Droopy from Guadalupe. And then I thought…what if our situations were reversed? How would I want him to act? So I just squared my shoulders, said, “My bad–have a nice day,” and moved on. Yes, it did hurt my feelings a little, but nothing an extra half-mile on the treadmill couldn’t fix. *shrug*

    So how do you handle it when women flip out on you like that?


    • YaReally
      on September 19, 2012 at 12:35 am
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      “So how do you handle it when women flip out on you like that?”

      Field experience and massive massive micro-calibration. A lot of it has to do with a concept called “pacing her reality”. Mystery was a huge fan of fucking with people with this. You basically match her energy level and her mood, and then lower or increase it depending on your goal.

      Imagine a car speeding out of control, and you’re the car that drives up in front of it pacing it, then slowly starts putting on the brakes to slow it down to a normal speed without an accident.

      An example of increasing would be like say you have a friend who’s clearly bummed about breaking up with a girl…you pace him and your whole mood and body language and tone of voice changes and lowers to match his as you guys vibe about how it sucks and he misses her…but then you consciously start to speed your car up and lead him toward something positive and start cracking a few jokes and getting him to smile a bit and then start talking about how fun the night out at the bar you guys are going to have will be and get more and more excited until you’ve got him psyched up and ready to party.

      So in this case where she’s crazy/psychotic, you get her attention with loud crazy/psychotic “HEY. NO, HEY. SHUT UP FOR A SECOND. LISTEN TO ME. Listen. Look, I know we got off on the wrong foot and I know you’re not normally this rude. We’ve all been drinking a lot tonight, and things got out of hand but we’re cool.” etc. etc. and verbally slow things down and get her out of psycho mode.

      From there you can actually pump her state back up like the increasing example I gave above, and then you can actually lead it back to attraction and fuck her lol The emotional roller-coaster is a turn-on for her because you’ve given her a range of emotions which is what she craves (most guys are boring and just give her a flat-line of emotional boredom). You can lead it into Qualifying (the “at first I thought you were a bitch but now…” stuff I mention elsewhere in this article’s comment section) etc. and it’s super powerful.

      But it’s not for newbies. It’s like taming an angry dog…the Dog Whisperer can do it, but he’s pro. Most guys are gonna’ get bit. If you’re new, especially if there’s White Knights around, just remove yourself from the situation calm and cool. There are other bars and other women, you don’t need to stay around that energy and spend the night watching over your shoulder for her scowls or her sending guys at you to defend her honor.


      • RappaccinisDaughter
        on September 19, 2012 at 5:20 pm
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        Thanks for the thorough reply. I wonder if any of that would be applicable to a situation in which a guy freaks out at a rejection?

        (Which, although relatively rare, DOES happen. Although it’s true that the vast majority of men take rejection in stride, no matter how polite and gentle I am, every so often the man in question will flip his shit. It can be quite unnerving.)


        • YaReally
          on September 19, 2012 at 9:30 pm
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          “I wonder if any of that would be applicable to a situation in which a guy freaks out at a rejection?”

          I don’t think it would. Guys who are bad with women are pretty quick to demonize a girl the instant you shoot them down. Basically any guy that takes the rejection in a stride where you could still be chill with them after probably isn’t the type of guy who’s flipping his lid over it to begin with.

          Wish I had some advice for ya, if I was a chick I would lie my ass off and say I was engaged and we’re waiting on the rings or some shit. Though then you have to worry the whole night that he’ll see you flirting with some other guy and flip his lid THEN or cockblock you. These types of guys are pretty lame all around lol

          And then guys getting into game wonder why girls are forced to have bitch shields up 24/7, shit…a hot girl can’t even go to the grocery store without getting hit on by lame guys.


          • YaReally
            on September 19, 2012 at 9:46 pm
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            “any guy that takes the rejection in a stride”

            Just to clarify because the girl in the story isn’t taking the rejection in stride, the scolding/dominating stuff works really well from a man to a woman because it’s hitting on primal shit. It’s like her authority figure dad disciplining her whereas guys tend to see a woman disciplining them as embarrassing which just furthers the anger.

            Actually, I bet you could pace and slow down an angry guy…you’d have to hit him right away with it before he gets himself too worked up, and it’d have to be something super calm but direct like “Hey, look, there’s no reason to be rude to me. You seem like a nice enough guy even though you’re not my type, and I’m not trying to be a bitch and embarrass you in front of your buddies or anything, I’ve just found that for me, I either feel a spark with a guy right away or there’s nothing so I’m just being honest with you so you don’t waste your night buying me drinks. You can go back and tell your buddies I was married or a lesbian or something, it’s fine lol :)

            Off the top of my head at least…ya, it’s a monologue, but that’s what the pacing reality tends to be. You match them (“Hey, look, there’s no reason to be rude to me”), align with them by showing you understand their emotions (acknowledging he might be embarrassed and shit), then start to slow it down (explaining that you, personally, look for the instant spark (this is also to avoid him being able to use the “well you didn’t even give me a chance” thing I’m sure they say all the time)), and do some more aligning with their emotions (letting him know you’re actually saving him from wasting his night, because that pisses guys off like crazy even if you told them at the start you weren’t going to go home with them lol), and then slow it down more and end it with some humor (telling him to tell them you’re a lesbian and smile to show “this really isn’t a serious situation to get worked up over”).

            Psyche-wise, the strongest frame ALWAYS wins. Guy, girl, young, old, authority position, subordinate position, doesn’t matter. The strongest frame wins out. So this could theoretically work, try it out and let us know. The problem is, most of the time a guy’s frame of “spazzing out at a girl rejecting me” is a lot stronger than a girl’s frame of “calming a psycho guy down” because the angry guy has more reference experience of being rejected (lol) than the girl has of giving a fuck about calming a creepy loser hitting on her down (since it’s easier to just avoid the situation or leave).

            To go back to me disciplining a girl over her manners, my frame of scolding a girl, because I’m a PUA and I do that a TON, is WAY stronger than her frame of “getting away with being a bitch” because no one has EVER called her on being a bitch so she doesn’t need a strong frame. She doesn’t know what to do because no one has ever calmly and authoritatively said “HEY. Fucking calm down, you’re being a dickhead.” AND calmly stuck to that frame despite her shouting “you have a small dick” at him so eventually she gives up and falls into the frame.

            bla bla bla I’m in a typey mood this week lol



Martellus
on September 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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But if you later change your mind what do you do?
Is it all lost once you say “no”?
Because I’m good looking, girls hit on me very often.

So I kinda rejected this girl nonverbally.
At the church I was visiting, I caught this brunette, 7 looking at me and I looked at her making the same expressionless face Prince Harry ( that’s my default expression now) and I could notice she was making those puppy eyes and she was even pressing her lips a little, but then I looked away first and never looked back.

Now I wonder if I go back to that church and talk to her she’ll still be receptive.


  • Greg Eliot
    on September 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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    It’s been my experience that, once a first favor has been refused, a second one is never asked.


    • Greg Eliot
      on September 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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      Your mileage, of course, may vary.


      • Martellus
        on September 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm
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        Nope. I could never make a girl interested in me again after initially rejecting her.


        • YaReally
          on September 18, 2012 at 8:20 pm
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          Generally it’s pretty hard because they take rejection hardcore. It’s why a girl who’s into a guy and has the window of opportunity open will slam it shut forever if he doesn’t take it.

          If you want to try turning these situations around, it CAN be done but it’s tough. The main concept to keep in mind is qualifying her. If you’re not into her, then suddenly ARE into her, there’s no reason for you to be into her so she interprets it to mean either 1) you’re desperate, 2) you’re indecisive and wishy-washy, or 3) you’ll fuck a girl you’re not even into.

          All 3 of those reasons lead to her shutting down on you. So how do we get around that? Well if the issue is that she knows you have no good reason to fuck her, then the solution is to give her a reason you want to fuck her.

          That’s where you get into Qualifying. Don’t show any interest, like normal, but then find something, ANYTHING, it can be something stupid and meaningless like her jewelry or her “sassy attitude” or her job she tells you about or her attitude that particular day, etc. and compliment her on it and then start showing interest (turn your body language toward her, ask more questions, basically start investing in her, as if suddenly this thing she did/said/has flipped a light switch in your head and now you’re into her).

          This 180 can be REALLY sudden and it doesn’t come off weird at all to her because duh, she liked you already anyway, she just wants you to like her for more than “because she likes me”, even if it’s a retarded reason.

          The basic Mystery Method style structure is: “You know, at first (I wasn’t sure about you / I hated you / I thought you were a bitch / you seemed so quiet / I thought you were boring / etc.)…I didn’t know (you were this fun / you were this down to earth / you could dress that hot / you were so confident / you were into Hobby / you like Movie / etc.). That’s actually pretty cool…(start asking questions about whatever attribute it was that 180′ed you, and then transition into normal flirting/convo as if none of the rejection stuff ever happened)”

          On your girl in particular, you’re fine, that’s totally recoverable lol When you finally talk to her you can tell her “I saw you looking at me a few times and thought you were a crazy chick…but you’re actually pretty fun, I’m glad I caught you checking me out. ;)



Sam Spade
on September 18, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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There is also a suspicion factor at play, especially if the man is not desperate (or just happens to know better). If a woman approaches a man and it seems to good/easy to be true, it could be a scam. Experienced men have a finely-tuned Spidey sense when it comes to the disingenuous approach of a woman. (Again, they also lack approach experience.)

I’ve actually been asked out by women stone cold sober and in the harsh light of day. It’s because I work at a college and deal with students. Many develop crushes, but I prefer to keep things professional. Stupid, I know.


  • YaReally
    on September 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm
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    Ya, the trick to spotting and avoiding hookers, especially in a place like Vegas where they’re pro, is to watch for her giving you ioi’s that you did nothing to earn. Normal guys have no idea about the “I do this, so it causes her to do that” give and take of legit flirting so they don’t pick up on that, but if you have game you’ll be able to process “she’s laughing at everything I say, but I’m not saying anything that’s funny or that should spike her buying temperature like that.” and spot the fake iois.

    If you want practice at it, hang around strip clubs a bunch and spot the strippers doing it since they have most of the same game as hookers but it’s less risky to experiment with.

    Also helps you avoid wasting time at the bar on the really hot girl who’s just using you for social proof or to make someone else jealous. If she’s tossing you fake iois, bail. Or try to turn it around with a neg lol


    • corvinus
      on September 18, 2012 at 9:12 pm
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      Also helps you avoid wasting time at the bar on the really hot girl who’s just using you for social proof or to make someone else jealous. If she’s tossing you fake iois, bail. Or try to turn it around with a neg lol

      I had an encounter with a hot girl at the bar last weekend (she looks a lot like Diane Kruger, actually). I was friends with her from before, she had been seeing a friend of mine who went back to his own country nearly two years ago, but I hadn’t seen her in months. She at one point brushed her hand and fingers on mine in such a way that nobody would have seen it, while I was minding my own business by the bar. Then not long afterwards she started the jealousy game: being super affectionate with some dude that I hadn’t seen before. I felt a flash of jealousy, but didn’t react, and instead I asked if that was her bf, because they kissed a couple times in front of me (it was superficial, not French kissing). A bit later, I saw her being super affectionate to a couple of other guys, and at one point she “accidentally” hit my hand with her butt crack. Finally she got pissy and left with her girlfriends (I actually saw her tell the guy she made out with earlier to “no, just go!”). She unfriended me from her facebook a couple days later.

      I still haven’t reacted. I’ve been around too many hot chicks to look at jealousy game with more than contempt, and although she lives in town, I don’t see her much anyway. But I’d be curious to see how you deal with jealousy plays from chicks.


      • YaReally
        on September 19, 2012 at 12:08 am
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        “But I’d be curious to see how you deal with jealousy plays from chicks.”

        Mostly just what you’re doing lol you can just escalate on her the next time you see her. Do the qualification thing, bust her on de-friending you (in a way like you think it’s hilariously silly), etc.

        In person, if a girl is running a jealousy thing on me to try to suck me in I’ll just act completely oblivious to it and go flirt with other girls where she can see. Doesn’t even matter if those girls are hot or not, the main thing is to just be engaged with some other girls and completely ignoring what she’s doing. Generally she’ll get frustrated and ditch her guy and come grab you to get your attention and see what the deal with these new girls is. Then you just instantly turn from your new girls and grab your girl by the waist and get in her space and quietly to her go “oh thank god you’re here, save me from these girls, pretend you’re my girlfriend…” and go in for the makeout. If she’s into you and feeling the pangs of jealousy, she’ll go for it to mark her territory. Then just go have sex with her at the end of the night lol

        If you have to talk about the guy for some reason, say only good things, like they look like the perfect couple etc. etc. She’s just using him to make you jealous so that’s her plan backfiring on her, like how you might talk to the fatty to get to the hot friend but then the hot friend leaves you with the fatty who thinks you like her lol “FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU….”

        Worst thing you can do is get sucked into her drama and go back and forth for her affections with the guy. You avoided that so you’re set next time you see her.

        Remember: She wouldn’t get mad and defriend you if you didn’t make some kind of emotional impact on her…any impact, good or bad, is better than no impact.


        • corvinus
          on September 19, 2012 at 12:34 am
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          Mostly just what you’re doing lol you can just escalate on her the next time you see her. Do the qualification thing, bust her on de-friending you (in a way like you think it’s hilariously silly), etc.

          Sounds good. It’s interesting when a girl who you thought was your “friend” goes and twists everything up with a bunch of drama like that. It almost seems like the female way of trying to get out of a guy’s friend zone.

          She did say “Yes!” when I had asked if he was her bf, but given the rest of the night, I’m assuming it was all bs rather than bf.

          Winning.


          • YaReally
            on September 19, 2012 at 9:56 pm
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            “It almost seems like the female way of trying to get out of a guy’s friend zone.”

            lol that’s not a bad way of putting it. Look at it this way: you paid attention to her instead of her fading into the background with other orbiters. She’ll even do crazy shit despite LIKING you, the point is just to get a reaction out of you, good, bad, doesn’t matter, anything’s better than nothing.

            With some girls, where you know they like you but they’re just trying to get a reaction out of you, you can cut all the shit and get right in their face and calmly stare them down and flat out say “Look, if you want to fuck me, you can just tell me. You don’t have to throw a fucking temper tantrum to get my attention, I’ve been thinking about fucking you since you walked through that door tonight.”

            In the right situation, that’s a really powerful move.



ve
on September 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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Hot off the presses, a 29 year-old wall victim stabs man in the stomach for refusing to have sex with her:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205067/Woman-stabbed-man-refused-sex-threatened-rape-went-hospital-treatment.html#ixzz26qiBnees


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2012 at 10:00 pm
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    Won’t see THAT story on Jezebel lol

    Seriously though, keep your wits sharp guys. Girls have been given free reign by society to embrace their crazy emotions and they don’t think about the consequences of their actions because they don’t have to. Can’t even count the number of married/taken girls who COMPLETELY don’t give a fuck if their man finds out I’m fucking their girl. I’ve had to scold/bitch out/ditch girls who are sloppy with being discreet because they don’t get that their actions could result in their BF could showing up with a gun at my door one day…he probably won’t shoot her so she doesn’t care, but he’ll shoot me and I’m not her so why would she care? Plus then she gets to fuck him when he gets home from being a bad boy so it’s win/win for her :P



YaReally
on September 18, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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On a side note, a LOT of naturals will fuck aggressive ugly girls, that’s a part of why girls end up that way. I’ve had a few girls who were just awful try to get me to come home with them at last call, like they literally do the same thing half the guys there do, approach everything drunk at last call and try to get them horny and convince them to come over.

One hideous acne-covered fatty literally said “wtf, you’d rather go home ALONE than FUCK?? are you fucking gay??” while grinding her huge ass on me while I was leaning against a wall with my hands in my pockets giving the “save me” eyes to my buddy……who was all over her friend and down for going home with them lol

Naturals have the most…”flexible” standards. Usually it’s because they like sex, and really the fact that they’ll flirt/fuck anything is part of why they develop good skills with women in general and an abundance mentality that helps them get the really hot chicks. So often they have this weird sexual history of everything from 2s to 10s. You want to make fun of them for taking home the 2, but the 10 is showing up at his door in lingerie afterward so you can’t.

Anyway, I think game-conscious men tend to be more “Thrill of the Hunt” guys and most of us are big into self-development and setting goals and standards for our lives in all categories, so we’re a lot more likely to go “uhh no thanks.” because we want better for ourselves.

The problem for girls is that it’s not clear which guys are Thrill of the Hunt and which are Love of Sex right off the bat.


  • Anonymous
    on September 18, 2012 at 7:57 pm
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    Two-baggers beat Rosey Palm and her Five Talented Friends…


    • The Dude
      on September 18, 2012 at 9:43 pm
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      In the same way a Wendy’s hamburger beats a McDonald’s hamburger.


      • YaReally
        on September 18, 2012 at 10:18 pm
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        lol’ed



Raza
on September 18, 2012 at 9:52 pm
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girls who approach guys the feminine way make their presence through IOIs (hair curling, preening, subtle eye contact, subtle smile, coy glance, dancing with open body language towards you) or indirect game (non-intrusive questions, “elderly chat” Rooshism, or nonsense garble which starts a friendly/flirty conversation). The less sophisticated female (or average feminist) will escalate her attempt to get noticed with increasing acts of directness or volume, and assume masculine behaviors to progress up the approach scale in her peacock attempt to register on the male sexual radar.

But even in the indirect situations when a woman fails to get a man’s attention, she lashes out with frustration, entitlement, and anger towards the man for not picking up her subtleties. Men don’t respond either due to lack of interest, or naivete to the subtlety of the indirect feminine approach (ironically, this is more of the case). In either case, bitches just don’t know… the callousness to rejection is acquired over time and brutal endurance, not isolated incidents of inconvenience.



Maya
on September 19, 2012 at 11:12 am
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“Regret Is Not Rape: a continuing series. bit.ly/OaywoW This time, for a change of pace, justice prevailed and the good guys won. 21 minutes ago”

OMG. What a sad story … She had eight vodkas and then she had sex with three guys.

[heartiste: in your world, do women bear no responsibility for the amount of alcohol they consume?]

And now she’s going to spend two years in prison …

[serving as an excellent example for the others.]

One of those three “victims” is going to US to work with children …

[why the scare quotes? do you think men who have been detained by the police on false charges of rape aren't victims? if you really believe that, are you aware of just what a monumental CUNT that makes you?]

All four of them are repulsive and I’m glad that she goes to prison for her FRAs.

[no. the woman is repulsive. the men are innocent victims whose only mistake was picking the wrong random slut to consensually screw.]

But these three men are sick as well … Group sex with a drunk woman?!

[Does it shake you to your core that women aren't angels?]


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2012 at 10:29 pm
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    The importance of learning how to avoid Buyer’s Remorse, or handle it when it happens.



Women Don’t Handle Rejection Well

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whorefinder
on September 19, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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I know this well. In fact, it has happened to me at bars when I just go out to observe people and don’t want to game women. Trying to explain that a man can have such self-control as to not want to sleep with them right then and now makes them go apeshit.

Its part and parcel with a woman’s great fear that a man will think she’s a slut. Sure, women know that other women may call her a slut, but the idea that a man–a straight man—unironically—may think her too slutty for a relationship drives her insane.

I am one of the few men I know who have told a woman “you’re too easy” and/or “I don’t like sluts” and/or “I don’t date girls who sleep with black guys” when a girl seeks a relationship. Man, do they hit the motherfucking roof then—how dare their actions be used against them! How dare I, as a man, use future-time-orientation to weed out bad women! How dare I not think with my dick, and instead judge them coldly, like women do! Fag! Racist! Loser! Little Dick! etc…..

In fact, this can be very likened to a rules girl: if they have some arbitrary cut off date and stick with it, they are thinking with their head rather than their loins. Similarly, when a man rejects a woman like this, its the same thing: she’s not attractive enough to overcome his rational brain. The problem is the little femicunt has been conditioned to believe that men are incapable of logical thought and should be so grateful for her goddess pussy that anything she’s done—literally anything—should be forgiven.


  • YaReally
    on September 19, 2012 at 10:33 pm
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    So few men have standards that when a girl runs into a guy with standards she can’t even wrap her head around it.

    Also I use a cold blunt “Sorry, I only fuck hot girls.” on really hot girls lol But that’s to actually fuck them.



Size Matters

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YaReally
on September 18th, 2012 at 5:25 am
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lol I saw a girl laugh at a guy’s tiny dick when they were about to hook up and he got pissed and grabbed his shit and left calling her a fucking whore. It was funny shit.

I’m average size but it’s silly to even waste brain power thinking about this since you can’t change your dick size and if you’re at the stage where she’s seeing your dick it’s already on (unless you’re insecure and have shitty game like the guy I mentioned above lol), but some relevant shit I’ve gathered from personal experience, conversations with tons of girls, and guys who get laid a shit-load:

Say there’s 10 girls lined up. But they’re all shitty lays, starfish in bed. Which one are you gonna’ pick/prefer? The hottest one. “well they all kind of suck, so I might as well pick the one with the hottest assets”

Now say there’s 10 girls lined up and 9 of them are all shitty lays, but the 10th girl, while average in looks, is fucking INCREDIBLE in bed. She sucks dick so good it makes your eyes roll back in your head and her pussy is tight as fuck and she gets totally into it and just blows your mind in the bedroom and you get hard just looking at her because your dick knows what a night with her would be like.

Now which one are you gonna’ pick?

When a girl’s partners have all been pretty average lays, she’s going to go “well they all kind of suck, so I might as well pick the one with the biggest asset”

(if you haven’t read and apply Sex God Method, Deep Spot shit, Squirting 101 shit, don’t like going down on girls, aren’t into foreplay, are vanilla in the sack, etc., you are an average lay, sorry…but don’t worry, most girls don’t even know it’s possible for a guy to know all the shit I just listed so unless they run into a guy like me they don’t realize how shitty a lay you are lol)

If you are offering nothing interesting, she’ll have no choice but to judge you by dick size, the same way if you have a boring personality, she’ll have no choice but to judge you by your money, shoes, car, etc. whereas if you’re blowing her mind attraction-wise she doesn’t give a shit about any of that.

There are girls who just have a big dick fetish so they screen for them, but it’s nowhere near the majority. It’s like girls who are into the Jay Cutler look, there’s a niche market but it’s not enough to make it worth running out to the gym and roiding up. There are also chicks who are curious about being with a guy with a big dick or are dying to experience it because they’re haven’t been with one yet, the way a guy might be curious what being with a chick with fake tits would be like…he may not want that all the time, but it’s like if a chick with fake tits walks in, she’s at the top of his radar so he can give it a go.

Most chicks are fine with average or prefer it because they had a big dick experience that hurt like fuck (usually it’s ’cause it hits the back of the vag, can’t remember the spot off the top of my head), or they’re apathetic about dick size since they care more about sex as an experience as a whole.

Chicks getting off is primarily mental, that’s why 50 Shades of Grey is selling so well, a girl’s mind/imagination/emotions are more important to her orgasm than the physical shit. That’s why BDSM stuff is about more than just duct-taping a vibrator to a chick’s clit. If you can blow her mind (again see the list of reading/watching material I mentioned above) your dick size is the last thing she’s going to give much of a shit about.

I know a few short guys who get laid a lot when logically there’s no way they’re packing much down there. Hell, one of them uses his size to get anal from every chick he hooks up with (“no it’s cool, we can do anal because you won’t even notice it.”) lol

In conclusion:

1) Dick size != good in bed.

2) Dick size insults work against most guys because most guys are insecure about their dick size.

3) How you feel, she feels. If you’re insecure and feel like your 4″ dick or your 10″ dick is a bad thing, she’s going to subconsciously pick up on that vibe and feel like it’s a bad thing too. There are tall guys who are insecure about their height because they feel gangly and awkward, and they’re not getting any more pussy than the short guy with a chip on his shoulder about his height.

4) “No, it’s tiny, like a wet baby carrot” has been doing wonders for piquing a girl’s interest since the beginning of PUA’s using routines lol try it sometime.

And most importantly:

5) I don’t get her off because my dick is the perfect size to her. My dick is the perfect size to her because I get her off.


YaReally
on September 18th, 2012 at 5:34 am
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Keep in mind that I’m talking about actually getting laid and actually having results where a penis ends up inside a woman.

I’m not talking about “ooo girls LOOKED at me more because I had a bulge!!!! Therefore we can extrapolate that–” or “this girl broke up with a guy because he had a small dick!!!! Ergo we can extrapolate that–” or girls saying “let’s face it dick size gets me wet, thus we can extrapolate that–” (we know to ignore “let’s face it, only looks matter, game doesn’t work except on sluts” but for THIS we start listening to what comes out of a woman’s mouth?? lol)

All that shit is as relevant as the guy who’s like “I wore a blue shirt and girls gave me phone numbers more than they normally do!!!!! that means that I would get laid 93.768% more wearing this color compared to red!!!!11 GUYZ LISSEN UP I have a 100% guaranteed new technique!!111″ No, you don’t have a technique. Did all those phone numbers fuck you? Oh, what? They all flaked? Now you know what mental masturbation looks like.


YaReally
on September 18th, 2012 at 6:38 am
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Also for the guys who want to have real conversations about sex with chicks:

If you give the vibe off that you won’t judge a girl, she’ll tell you all sorts of insane shit that you’ll need a serious poker face to get through. Her BFF girlfriend won’t judge her, that’s why she tells her all the dirty fucked up shit she wouldn’t tell her boyfriend (who she feels would judge her). Her gay male friend won’t judge her, that’s why they’ll sit and talk about sucking dick all night but clam up if her mom walks into the room (since she feels her mom would judge her). Girls on the Internet will say a bunch of dirty shit, but they wouldn’t post it on their Facebook with their full names and friends/family reading (since they feel they’d be judged). This is part of the classic Secret Society concept.

This week I’ve been having some txt convos with some Internet chick about how she wants to be dominated to act like a dog, locked up in a cage, made to beg for food and wear a collar, etc. etc. and I’ve been making her send me pics/vids of her whipping her own ass with a lamp cord and gagging on a dildo till she chokes and cries as I give her orders through sexting. The whole time in-between getting her off, she’s telling me about her frustrations with a few guys she’s trying to get to be her official Dom (they pussy out after talking a big game, they turn out to be not hot enough, they’re good but not looking for a relationship, etc.). There’s one she really wants, they fucked for a week and did all sorts of crazy shit, but that guy doesn’t know about the other guys or me and she’s not having these convos with those guys. I’m privy to a ton of shit they aren’t because she knows I’m in an open relationship and won’t judge her for juggling guys.

I only started chatting her up like 3 days ago lol And the only pic I’ve sent her is my face and she’s not even attracted to me physically lol (I’m just practicing my txt game on her and seeing if I can turn it around from friend zoned in our first convo to making her want me as her Dom over the other guys, it’s going well lol)

I haven’t sent her any any dick pics or shirtless pics or anything (and won’t). The only thing I’ve “given” her is txt conversation that’s 1) non-judgemental and 2) leads the conversation deep into sexual topics.

Her profile is one of those ones that says she’s looking for a serious relationship and isn’t into one night stands or booty calls lol

Now this particular girl is an extremely submissive type chick (though an aggressive “intimidates men” type exterior, the sub stuff is just in the bedroom), but pretty much every girl I direct the conversation toward sex with (I have a lazy job so I can txt all day lol) tells me shit like this and it’s because my vibe/actions/attitude make it very clear that I’m non-judgemental and safe to talk about this stuff with.

If your belief is “only sluts would talk about stuff like that”, that’s precisely why good girls won’t talk about that stuff around you.

Here’s an exercise you can try if you want to hear some fucked up shit. Do it on any girl, doesn’t matter if she seems like a good girl or slut, hell you can even do it with online girls if you want but it’s more fun in person because you have to keep a straight face:

Next time you’re talking to a girl (so probably only like 10% of the guys reading this comment section lol), and have a fun flirty vibe with her (…so make that 1% I guess lol), wait for a moment in the first 5-10 minutes where she mock-threatens you or punches you on the arm and calls you an asshole and, with a half-grin, cold-read her telling her she seems like the type of girl that would slap a guy around in the bedroom and make him LIKE it.

Or (again in the first 5-10 minutes, the point of this is to demonstrate how easily they’ll open up about this stuff to a guy with the right vibe, you don’t have to have known her for years or anything like that) shift the convo to sex and start telling her a story about your buddy who’s a virgin and ran into a chick last weekend at the bar who told him she wanted him to choke her, slap her around and even spit on her and how he freaked out because it was his first time and he literally ran out of her apartment, but how you feel bad for him ’cause personally, you think that stuff is just part of a good rough fuck.

Or shift the convo to sex and tell her a story about how you felt bad for your chick friend because she was nervous about buying her first vibrator and you went shopping at a sex store with her just to take it up to the counter for her and she loved it but when she brought it out during sex her boyfriend freaked on her and now she has to hide it and how you think that’s so lame of her boyfriend and you used to date a girl who worked at a sex shop who had a whole closet full of toys so you think it’s awesome.

Or come up with your own story, the main thing is to get in the key features: 1) make the story about someone other than you so you create an “us VS them” bubble with her, 2) make it funny or dramatic, 3) make sure it involves mentioning something kinky, 4) make sure it involves you approving of whatever the kinky thing was…I like to put the approval at the end so we naturally transition into discussing that kinky thing and can get into “have you ever done it?” etc. which leads into being able to qualify her (“mmm, you like it? We’re going to get along just fine then… ;) ”) etc. etc.

Do that with a couple hundred women over the next few months and see where those conversations go lol I like kinky chicks so I’ve focused on figuring out how to screen for them super fast and weed out the vanilla girls (a lot of them can be converted but ugh, I’m lazy in my old age).

Remember: There’s zero correlation between how easily a girl puts out and how many men she’s fucked and how kinky or vanilla she is.


Size Matters

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YaReally
on September 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
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@S

I guess it’s possible. I just figure a guy who’s 5’2″ probably isn’t packing what would essentially be the size of his forearm. Buying pants must be a nightmare.


Comment Of The Week: Sexual Self-Control Is A Male Thing

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Pjay
on September 14, 2012 at 1:10 pm
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  • Greg Eliot
    on September 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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    “Your honor, was that wrong? Should I not have done that? Because, to be honest here, I have to plead ignorance.”


    • YaReally
      on September 14, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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      lol’ed. Seinfeld was full of wisdom. George doing the opposite was like a glimpse of the red pill.



YaReally
on September 14, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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“A woman who truly craves a man will surrender quicker than she anticipated to her surprisingly powerful lust impulse, and her thinking processes will then be hijacked in service to her emotions…(snip)…In contrast, a woman who is able to think clearly in your company is a woman whose vagina remains dry and unperturbed.”

Yep. This is why guys will say “you only sleep with sluts” (hi, Jack!) and it’s like no, you don’t get it. They’re only sluts for me because I know how to trigger that shit. For you, they’d make you wait 5 dates. But you have to have a certain amount of experience with speed seduction and Secret Society shit to understand that. If you’re still going on sexless dates with girls , you’re like a kid in science class telling NASA engineers how space flight works lol


  • Greg Eliot
    on September 14, 2012 at 2:34 pm
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    Yep. This is why guys will say “you only sleep with sluts” (hi, Jack!) and it’s like no, you don’t get it. They’re only sluts for me because I know how to trigger that shit.

    Actually, the guy who imagines “she’s only this way with ME” is usually the one who doesn’t get it.

    Male hamster on parade.


    • YaReally
      on September 14, 2012 at 2:44 pm
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      You’re the 50+yo guy who’s married to a woman he has to bribe for sex right?

      I would definitely take your advice on modern pickup and gaming in the current sexual marketplace.


    • kronos1978
      on September 17, 2012 at 11:07 am
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      I think you are right, it’s foolish self-deception to believe a woman telling you “normally, I don’t do that [fucking a guy so quickly]” or “I never did that before”. Maybe, she doesn’t even lie, but often it’s just a lie, because she wants you to believe she is a good girl.
      Of course, every guy will eat it up, because every guy likes the idea that she is oh so especially dirty just with him.
      Although it’s ego-flattering to believe that one is the best seducer in town, there are other good men too – and embracing that thought makes life easier and harder at the same time. Every guy stepping into game firstly thinks he now found the secret key to all pussies, but later on finds out that others also know a bit about how to bed women.
      The best lesson to learn from this fact is to never loosen your game, even after years of happy relationship, otherwise it might fall back on you, as I had to learn the hard way.

      Nowadays, if a girl tells me “that normally, she doesn’t do that”, I smile, kiss her and change the topic. Alternatively, I reply “the same thing said my last 5 girls too”


      • YaReally
        on September 18, 2012 at 2:12 am
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        “it’s foolish self-deception to believe a woman telling you “normally, I don’t do that [fucking a guy so quickly]” or “I never did that before”.”

        Agreed. That’s why I don’t listen to what women say. That’s like, Game 101. Every chick thinks she’s an innocent angel and writes off all the times that “don’t count” like sex outside her race, vacation sex, drunk sex she regrets, etc. Just like an interrogation pro can generally tell when someone’s full of shit and what makes them tick because he’s dealt with so many people trying to bullshit him and his job is to get to the truth, a PUA can generally tell when a woman is full of shit and what makes her tick because he’s dealt with so many of them (not just sexually, but in general interactions/conversations with thousands of different ones since that’s what we purposely go out and do on a regular basis (“sarging”)).

        Here’s why all girls are sluts, broken down in-depth:

        Attraction is a primal emotion/instinct/reaction, like anger. If you figure out what a person’s boundary is, you can make them angry. Some people are easy to make angry, some people are more difficult, but everyone has a threshold where their instincts kick in and they’ll get angry and fight.

        Ergo, all girls have the potential to be attracted, you just have to find their threshold. Some girls thresholds are lower than others, but just as Ghandi and monks who spend their lives learning to repress those emotions are basically the only ones you can’t eventually piss off with the right stimuli, pretty much any women’s attraction can be triggered since Ghandi is the outlier and those guys swinging fists outside the bar and getting angry on Internet forums is the norm.

        PUA teaches guys to specifically dig down to the girl’s attraction blueprint and extract it in a smooth way (this is where the non-judgement Secret Society stuff comes in) VS most guys who stumble around clueless and occasionally trigger it, or natural players who are good at instinctively triggering it but are the equivalent of a “friend who listens” VS a “trained psychologist” (they’re good, but not targeted/trained like a sniper). To go back to the anger example, a PUA is like the bully or comedian who can sum a person up quickly and just KNOWS exactly what button to push on someone to “zing” them and piss them off, while other people just spray-n-pray insults like “You’re an ectodweeb!” desperately hoping something hits.

        So let’s Occam’s razor this. Which is more likely?:

        1) That women are all just running on emotional instinct with various thresholds that can basically all be triggered, some more difficult than others but since even the good girl ends up getting married even SHE has an attraction threshold.

        2) Or that there’s a super secret subset of women who (despite that we all know from the Manosphere women are completely encouraged and rewarded NOT to self-analyze or train themselves to control their emotions in any way) have defied all odds and natural programming and have trained themselves to be impossible to attract in under a specific amount of hours and in specific conditions because they are MADE OF MAGIC lol And that this subset of women is statistically huge enough to be in any way more relevant than using Ghandi as an example of how peaceful people are.

        So why do red pill guys still cling to number 2?

        I suspect there’s an overlap between people who can convince themselves there’s a God to avoid the reality that bad things happen for no reason, and people who can convince themselves that not all women are like that to avoid the reality that girls and humans in general (including us here in this comment section) aren’t unique and special snowflakes.

        The reality is that some of you are still clinging to the hope that “not all women are like that” because it’s scary to think that 1) your wife, mom, etc. is/was exactly like that, 2) you will have to accept the terrifying notion that if you want to settle down, your girl will have the same slut-potential (but with a lower, but not un-reachable threshold) than the drunk mini-skirt chick dancing on the bar and you can never fully trust that she won’t stray on you unless you lock her in the basement and keep her from any human contact, and 3) you may die alone because the goal you’ve created in your head as a requirement for you to marry and settle down doesn’t exist, the same way you’d die alone if you made a vow not to marry a woman until you’ve videotaped yourself high-fiving God.

        What’s controlling these fears (which are what lead to this desperate view), is the madonna/whore complex rooted way down in it’s deepest form to where you can even ADMIT that “some girls are definitely sluts” but it has to be followed by “…but not ALL of them.” to appease your fears and to allow you to keep searching for your non-existent treasure…because if you admitted to yourself that that treasure doesn’t exist, the future you’ve imagined for yourself would be shaken and it would all be too bleak to accept.

        This is the same illusion-shattering concept as when you realize your CEO job won’t get you the pussy society built the illusion in your head that you’d get, your best friend did something unforgivable to you because they’re human and not perfect like the illusion you built up for them, and when women realize they’ve hit the wall and wasted their high-SMV years without securing a future because feminism built the illusion in their heads that there would be men a-plenty at 30+. Your world goes from black and white to shades of grey and you’re forced to contemplate “if everything I was so sure about was wrong, what else am I wrong about?” and you’re entire core, identity, life, purpose, goals, etc. are rocked.

        It’s at this tipping point that a person goes down two paths:

        1) Depression. You become jaded, cynical, sad, miserable, and feel defeated. Life feels pointless and hopeless as your brain comes to terms with the new realizations that just butt-fucked everything you held close to your core about how the world works. You become bitter, angry at the world, frustrated by the unfairness, and probably end up a MGTOW (to be fair, you can become a MGTOW in a healthy positive way too, I don’t think they’re all bitter losers despite their shitty Public Relations lol). This can also be the catalyst for removing yourself from the game entire (certain types of MGTOWs, the grass eaters movement in Japan, etc. The only difference with these groups is that there’s more of a head-in-the-sand “fuck it then, I’m outta here, good luck with all that shit y’all” mentality, which, technically speaking is actually a little healthier than reveling in the depression from a day-to-day happiness standpoint lol)

        2) Acceptance. You accept the pain and shell-shock of what’s happening as a natural thing and eventually overcome it. You find new ways to appreciate the world around you despite it’s faults and you learn to accept reality for what it really is: flawed and imperfect but often filled with good things if you look for them. You realize that people are the same, we all have potential for good and bad, and that all of that is simply societal judgement attempting to solidify shades of grey into black and white for easier processing and teaching to new generations and to keep society stable.

        A person can go through a period of Depression and end up in Acceptance, but it’s a difficult climb. How much of your identiy, reality, beliefs, hopes, future projections, etc. you based on your beliefs is a big part of what determines which path you go down. When I swallowed the red pill, I had no problem traveling the Acceptance path because I had so little experience with women that I had no part of my world based on them except the occasional day-dream about the white-picket fence life. Most of the middle-of-the-road madonna/whore complex guys tend to have much more wrapped up in their beliefs on how women are or should be, so they can go either way. The stereotypical angry bitter MRA types have usually been so burned by women that their whole identity/life/etc. was shattered by the red-pill which is why they tend to end up on the Depression/MGTOW path.

        This has been your daily dose of “how we all work”, by YaReally. I don’t expect this to sway any of the haters in this thread obviously lol this is more for the lurkers reading who may one day hit this tipping point as they read the Manosphere, PUA stuff, and meet a lot of women because ideally I’d like them to have as much information ahead of time as possible to make it easier to transition onto the Acceptance path rather than the Depression path.


  • YaReally
    on September 14, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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    It’s also why chicks who say game only works on sluts and they’d never sleep with a guy that fast blah blah don’t get it. They just haven’t run into a guy with solid game. Then they run into shitty PUAs at the bar and go “oh I got hit on by one once and I told him to go shove his neg up his ass!” “you go girl!!” and it’s like okay lol, think what you like. The reality is when your emotions are triggered proper you’ll spread it like the rest of the and your hamster will backwards rationalize it later.


  • Jack
    on September 14, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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    she’s a slut only for you … and any other guy who can “trigger that shit”.


    • YaReally
      on September 14, 2012 at 2:46 pm
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      Unfortunately for women not many guys can. Go out and watch guys gaming, it’s pretty awful. Some of them take a girl on 5 dates without even making a move on her till the 3rd date. Bunch of frustrated blue vag out there. ;)



The Unequal Housework Fallacy

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Anon
on September 12, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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“They have better things to do”

Not necessarily. Doing nothing is preferable to cleaning shit.
Men are born to be kings with servants and bitches. Even if the man turns out to be a bum, he’s not genetically predisposed to clean the place he lives in. Actually, bums live outside to avoid cleaning up a fucking house.


  • Anonymous
    on September 13, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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    Hahaha, you, like most people on this blog, have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

    “Men are born to be kings with servants and bitches” – Where is this coming from? Some sort of wild generalization that justifies your laziness?

    Get that shit done yourself bro, that’s more macho than having everyone else clean after your mess. You’re not a child.


    • Anon
      on September 13, 2012 at 5:50 pm
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      It’s coming from millions of years of evolution during which women spread their legs for top chimps, monkey pack leaders, sociopathic rulers and dark triad kings. Most men are descendents of this small bunch of men who were craving power and domination and were not really fond of doing menial jobs, leaving that to the lesser males who couldn’t get laid.

      I get the idea of being disciplined like a military and cleaning my room and shit, I served for 2 years in the late 90s and I did my share of chores. But it’s not who I am.

      I’m not a child, in the sense that I’m willing to achieve greater things than a child. But if a woman wants to be a remora to my ship, she better learn to clean up the nest herself. I can’t be a leader and a kitchenbitch at the same time.


      • YaReally
        on September 13, 2012 at 6:22 pm
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        Dear Annononninninons,

        Why don’t one of you pick an actual username. I’m trying to put as little effort as possible into reading what you write but having two of you to sort through makes that difficult. Thanks!

        - Love, YaReally



Rollo Tomassi
on September 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm
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I call bullshit.

Whenever I see the ‘self-shooters’ pics Advocatus Diaboli occasionally posts the first thing I notice isn’t the girl’s body, it’s the rat’s nest of shit piled up in the background of damn near every bathroom or bedroom they shoot them in.


  • YaReally
    on September 13, 2012 at 1:06 am
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    lol “clean your fucking room.” was one of my online openers.



Incentives Matter

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The Dude
on September 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm
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I’m not so sure.

When feminism came about…the goal was to have men submit to the womanly power.

If you look out there I’d say 90% of the men have. The other 10% are adapting.


  • Anon
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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    All men are adapting along the bell curve.

    Let’s assume one of the biggest driving force for men is pussy (i.e., reproduction).

    The bottom 10-20% of guys won’t be affected because nothing they do will help them get more or better pussy. They’ve adapted to playing video games or writing code instead of joining the monastery.

    The middle of the curve is wedded to past social values, but they are indeed adapting. Whereas their fathers might’ve settled for a thin, plain Jane, they’re adapting to fucking land walruses. I see lots of regular guys out there with wives that outweigh them.

    The top 10-20% are the ones adapting MONETARILY. They are devoting more of their time to getting pussy and other non-monetary pursuits that are conducive to getting pussy.

    Whether it’s the trailer/ghetto guy who refuses to get a job because he already has easy access to pussy or the upper middle class college grad who chooses to travel around the world banging Eastern European chicks rather than get a job and settle down, they are both pursuing rational, non-monetary strategies to getting pussy.


    • The Dude
      on September 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm
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      If a man’s biggest force is pussy…that’s why the feminists win. You are still submitting to one of the woman’s greatest powers.

      If a man’s biggest force is his craft or himself…he can get pussy without putting forth much effort. His power attracts it.


      • evilalpha
        on September 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm
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        Very true, but the myth that when a man’s biggest force is his craft that he will get pussy without putting forth much effort is also why the feminists win.

        Pussy promises are still just pussy promises.


        • YaReally
          on September 12, 2012 at 4:46 pm
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          “but the myth that when a man’s biggest force is his craft that he will get pussy without putting forth much effort is also why the feminists win.”

          yep. This is why when anti-game guys (or just guys who hate PUAs) spin Game into some kind of pussy obsession and metaframe of supplication and rant about how you should just do your own thing and the pussy will come it’s like, okay good luck with that. I’ll be over here getting laid.

          There’s nothing wrong with wanting pussy. NEEDING it is what will fuck you over.


          • YaReally
            on September 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm
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            nah. Non-judgement is part of the Secret Society. Long as you hold judgements you’ll always be on the outside of it, even if you still get laid a lot.

            But if you’re happy as is, that’s fine. It’s the guys twisting in the wind who are miserable with their lack of success and haven’t figured out their view on women an slutiness set in stone that need to do the hard looking. Guys like you and I might have reached different conclusions but we both have a solid base for those conclusions that make sense to us.

            It’s like religion or loving a sports team…choose things for yourself instead of letting the people around you choose them for you without ever questioning it yourself. Come to whatever conclusion you come to, that’s fine, the important part is that you actively looked at it and came to that conclusion.



Anonymous
on September 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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Rosin, Brooks, et al don’t realize how bad things are right now. Just look at the article by Peggy Noonan saying that things “look the same” around her tony UES neighborhood, even though we are going through another Great Depression. http://wonkette.com/406242/peggy-noonan-wanders-upper-east-side-discovers-economic-depression

What these people don’t realize is that there are a lot of people suffering in this country, and especially a lot of men. Of those men, young men are especially hurting. If you don’t understand the reasons why young men are hurting, you won’t come to the next very logical conclusion: you don’t really change the way you look at the world and how you act in it until you reach rock bottom. The more men hit rock bottom, the more men will ask: what did I do wrong? Once men decide to do things differently (because what they did before wasn’t working) things start to change. There is a sea change happening across this country, starting with every man who is trying to dig himself out of a hole he is just beginning to learn why he was placed in.

But you wouldn’t know that, because a journalist reports not reality, but his reality.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm
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    “you don’t really change the way you look at the world and how you act in it until you reach rock bottom. The more men hit rock bottom, the more men will ask: what did I do wrong?”

    PUA now is pretty mainstream so a lot of people run across it…but back when I got into it, it was so underground that the only way you found it was if you had hit absolute rock bottom and were humiliatingly typing “how do I get a girlfriend?” into Google and stumbling across it.

    Then the first thing you do when you find it is you try to show all your buddies it because obviously your friends who aren’t good with girls would LOVE to have information that would help them get good with girls, right? Maybe one of them takes a bit of a curious interest, but he tries a few things out and maybe even has some success, but then he meets a girl and reverts back to his socially conditioned default stage of mediocrity.

    Around this frustrating point is when you learn that people won’t truly change their view of the world and their actions to their core until they hit absolute rock bottom the way you did. Until you’ve hit rock bottom you will ALWAYS cling with a death-grip with just the very tips of your finger if you have to, to your old, safe, comfortable beliefs and identity.

    Now I don’t even bother to bring game up to friends in real life, because I know the vast majority of them will never hit rock-bottom enough to really get into it. They’re happy with the “10 Tips For Getting That Girl Of Your Dreams!” article on MSN lol

    It’ll be interesting to see what the result of the PUA/MRA/MGTOW movements do to society in the future. Before PUA I was legitimately one of the beta schlubs that the NYTimes would love, I just wanted to get a good job to impress some future girl who’d be sweet and kind of love me and we’d get married and pop out kids. Now I’m legitimately happy just making enough money to live comfortably by myself, I bang girls via casual non-committed relationships, and I have no intention of getting married, buying a house and white-pickett fence, and quite frankly while I might someday want to have kids it’s too fucking terrifying to because I know a lot of girls are nuts and that they can take half my money and then burn me for child support on top of that (with the threat of actual jail-time if I can’t afford it) AND keep me from even seeing my kid.

    So my outlook, as well as thousands of other men, has completely changed. There’s no “this is an idea I’m toying with but eventually I’ll go back to how I used to be and want to settle down with a nice girl and chase that career that’s good for the economy”.


    • immoralgables
      on September 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm
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      @YaReally

      When do you think PUA shifted from something that was happening among forums to something that became a movement?

      I realize what The Game and Mystery’s VH1 show did in bringing it mainstream but I feel like there was a point where the foundation underneath it all shifted.

      Kind of like how TD went from routines –> inner game.
      Or how the manosphere is shifting from routines, inner game and now to evo-psyche.

      I’d like to hear your thoughts on when this movement started occuring. Maybe it was The Game being released but I’m not sure that quite answers it.

      I feel like the manosphere has solidified in the past year or two. I can see it in my own eyes when I go through archives or at the nature of the content that is being posted by new bloggers.

      Something is changing. Maybe it’s these ideas hitting mainstream or maybe it’s some point of “rock bottom” amongst men in society (due to economical, societal) pressures that is causing this.


      • YaReally
        on September 14, 2012 at 4:58 am
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        I think in with regards to PUA stuff there were two timelines: The timeline of PUA stuff becoming mainstream/acknowledged by the general public, and the timeilne of PUAs internal development as an art-form and the two timelines intersect at a few different points.

        MSM timeline: PUA was underground, then The Game made it more well-known but still pretty underground, then a bit of MSM started using PUA theory without crediting it (like Maxim giving tips type stuff), then Mystery’s VH1 show and Keys to the VIP came out and launched PUA into the spotlight for a while, but it stayed pretty “look at those fuzzy hat weirdos”. Now with the re-organization/re-marketing of companies like LoveSystems and RSD, and with groups like Simple Pickup spreading in-field footage and seminars around via YouTube, PUA is no longer underground but I find that a lot of outlets (like the Manosphere or MSM) still spread a pretty watered down version of PUA to the masses…which is understandable, no one wants Boyfriend Destroyers or LMR-Busters hitting the masses, it would be a PR nightmare for whoever reported about it in anything but the most vilifying light. Look what happened with the Neg, and that was just for playfully teasing girls.

        PUA timeline: PUA was heavily based on NLP and hypno type shit which is kind of what spawned story-telling (where you lead the girl through various emotions) and kino (touching her to anchor emotions and to sub-communicate, etc.) and all that. I wasn’t in the community at that point, thankfully, most of the NLP guys come off as weird as fuck vibe-wise, especially in group situations. Then when Mystery and Style, came in, the community went into heavy routine-based game and everything was broken down into a solid structure/formula to follow. This was pretty excessive and complicated, BUT it was really solid…Mystery Method is still an incredible breakdown of social dynamics, especially for working group/public situations. DavidD’s stuff got popular around this time too…it was sort of a more accessible/fun version of hardcore serious overly-analytical PUA stuff. DavidD made the whole cocky/funny thing popular and was actually more along the lines of Natural game compared to Mystery Method. Now if you studied both MM AND DavidD, and understood how to combine the two, you had a pretty fucking potent combination going on.

        Then Tyler Durden came in and shit all over everything lol He pretty much took what everyone was doing and ran it to the extremes, and encouraged other people to do the same. If you said “I tried skipping talking to the girl and just kissing her in 30 seconds and it worked!”, he was the guy who went out and tried that on 100 girls in a weekend, in different types of situations and sets, and then came back with a 10 page post/article called “How to make out with a girl in 30 seconds” breaking down every possible nuance involved in it working or not working and linking it to 5 different pickup systems/concepts in a totally understandable (if you had the patience to read all his writing) way. Mystery created the main structure system, DavidD focused on the fun stuff, and Tyler sort of combined the two and fine-tuned a lot of nuanced areas of the combo with crazy experiments. This was around the time I found the community.

        Then The Game hit and everyone panicked that girls would know all our moves. The book demonized Tyler specifically, so he had the most to lose compared to some random guy in some podunk down. This started a chain reaction of sorts…As the crazy experimenter type he is, Tyler forced all his instructors to focus on converting to Natural game with no routines or anything (which was a new concept at the time, it was like a complete 180 from everything PUAs had been doing up till then, and SUCCEEDING with, so it was even more ridiculous/frustrating to throw it all out the window).

        Fortunately, it worked out well and actually unlocked a whole world of new concepts and shit to explore and merge with the old systems. At the same time this was happening, the VH1 show was on the way and everything, and the MSM was doing the “look at the fuzzy hat guys” thing and other companies realized the same thing Tyler did, that marketing Game the way they did when it was underground wasn’t going to work anymore…it needed to be less “creepy”, so a general shift across the community happened as 1) old companies changed their marketing and revised their instruction, and 2) new intermediate/experienced PUAs realized they could cash in on the influx of curious newbies all this publicity was creating, and people stopped calling themselves PUAs or using lingo like Sarging, and they softened it from “bang hotties left and right, get pussy like a rockstar!!” into “work on your overall life and social skills and improve your romantic love-life!” which is much more marketable.

        Oddly enough, this is actually the point where the MRA/MGTOW and PUA communities should be getting along because their view of the world converges at this point in the timeline (the present).

        The problem is the MRA/MGTOW guys don’t realize it because they’re retards who skimmed a couple PUA articles or read The Game at some point and have filed away PUAs as what we were in like 2004 when The Game came out. That’s why guys like King A and xsplat will attack me with stupid shit like “PUAs think this and this” and it’s completely off-base, exaggerated, or totally out-dated and they’d realize it if they took their head out of their ass long enough to study some modern PUA tech with no bias. Then throw the bitter angry MRA/MGTOW hostility on top of it, and that side has no interest in getting along with PUAs despite the similarities in their views of the world.

        Then on the PUA side, we just don’t give a shit about the MRA/MGTOW/Manosphere crowd. The SoSuave guys do, but the SoSuave guys aren’t PUAs lol There are no discussions about you guys on our message boards, and most of us don’t even know the Manosphere exists, let alone that it has little sub-communities (“the three Rs”) and in-fighting and shit (hi, Susan!). I actually found it all pretty funny when I first ran across it, but CH and Rollo’s tight writing kept me around long enough to figure this community (and the MRA/MGTOW/Manosphere communities in general)’s dynamics out and I find it pretty interesting that there’s a middle-ground between PUA and the MSM. I’m here to connect PUA to the middle-ground.

        Part of PUAs not giving a shit is that they tend to be coming from a different place than MRAs…they’re younger and got into game before having a woman shit inside their heart and destroy their lives the way older MRA types have. I’d guess the general age range is 20s-40s for PUA sites and more like 30s-50s for MRA/Manosphere sites. There’s some overlap in the middle, but for the most part the concerns of both communities tend to be different.

        I actually think the MRA community has a lot of valid concerns/points, and as I get older more of them could actually affect my life so I pay a little more attention to them. The problem is the MRA has probably the worst PR in the universe lol The same way MRAs think PUAs are a bunch of snotty kids who don’t know what “real life” is and shit all over them, EVERYONE looks at MRAs as a bunch of bitter crabby old loser men with a chip on their shoulder because the type of people who are the most vocal are extremely socially inept and come off really angry and unpleasant.

        No one really wants to identify in real life as a hardcore PUA, BUT if someone asked “have you read The Game?” or “hey, what was that opener you used?” there’s not much social stigma to admit you’ve read some Game stuff or seen the VH1 show etc. It’s more of a “boys will be boys, always chasing tail lol” aw shucks thing to most people (unless you’re a super uncalibrated creeper). Because, quite frankly, really good PUAs come off as just cool, social, fun guys that everyone WANTS to be friends with and spread good emotions to everyone around them. So becoming a good PUA makes you pretty likeable to most people, especially now with the community’s wider focus on general self-improvement instead of just getting pussy…that’s pretty good PR/representation in itself.

        Meanwhile if you identify yourself as an MRA, even in a minor form like “I kind of think those guys sort of have a point about…” you will get shit on and raped six ways from Sunday by feminists, women in general, men in general, etc. And a hardcore MRA brings up visions of just angry, bitter, rage-filled old men growling and snarling “GET OFF MY LAWN…” style. Guys have been fired or ostracized for supporting MRA stuff, it’s pretty bad. No one looks at an MRA and thinks “man that guy would be fun to grab a beer with sometime” except other MRAs. Meanwhile a good PUA is the guy you want on your sales team and to invite to your parties.

        So there’s the two timelines and a summary from my point of view. I don’t really know how the MRA movement has solidified or anything…I literally had never heard of it until like a year or so ago (whenever my first post on Heartiste was). I think it could use some serious PR tuning if it hopes to ever be accepted. Like if you look at the PUA community, the top companies don’t identify their instructors as PUAs anymore, they’re “Love Coaches” and shit lol “Sarging” is now “going out to socialize”, “getting laid” is “improving your love-life”, etc.

        I think guys looking to improve their love-life or their LTRs, marriages, etc. will find a lot of useful stuff in the Manosphere, but it’s sort of the PUA-Lite version of Game…The McDojo MMA Muay Thai VS training in Thailand kicking tree trunks lol It’s good and useful, but there’s a more lethal version of it out there for the guys who want to go that route.

        If you want to read more, specifically my view of the PUA VS Manosphere in terms of pickup tech, I did a post over at Rollo’s:

        http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/year-one/#comment-9666

        If you read all this, do yourself a favor and turn off the computer and go out tonight lol It’s the weekend, there are girls and adventure out there waiting for you.



YaReally
on September 12, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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Far as adaptation goes, I’d say look at who’s happier.

All my guy friends are happy as clams. Occasionally they’ll have a bad day here and there but for the most part if they have a beer, wings, and an X-Box they’re loving life. And since a lot of them have taken themselves out of the rat race of chasing the “man up” lifestyle, they don’t beat themselves up about not being “good enough” and are generally pretty happy with themselves.

Meanwhile I could probably count on one hand the number of women I know who aren’t taking various medications (bi-polar, anti-depressants, meds related to stress/health issues (since they eat shitty diets and don’t work out)) and who aren’t miserable and feel like the universe is against them pretty much 24/7 whether it’s job stress, social circle drama, body issues, etc.

Even if the girls make more money, I’d say the guys are winning the adaptation race.



Ditch The Treadmill

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via Heartiste

YaReally
on September 12, 2012 at 1:52 pm
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I got tired just reading your guys’ workout routines lol


  • Anon
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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    Alright, alright we got your point.
    A long time ago.

    I actually started doing it to get the girls that I thought were out of my league, but now that I’m red-pilled, I’m only doing it for myself. It really feels awesome to be fit. And I can fuck better, a lot better than when I was chubby.


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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      lol I agree. There was a point where I had trouble fucking girls up against walls and I had to start doing squats regularly to get some leg muscles going. I once made a girl get me a glass of water halfway through fucking because I got a chest cramp lol

      Much as I make fun of it all, I actually do work out, but just like once every week or so and it’s really minimal compared to most guys (just some chest/arms/back dumbbell exercises and some squats for like 15 minutes total). I eat pretty healthy now too, had to do a big lifestyle change with my diet now that I’m an old man…gotta’ put some good fuel in this thing if it’s gonna’ recover from late nights and rough sex.

      I just don’t obsess over any of it, and I do it like you, for my own benefit/health, because I know it’s not relevant to picking up women.



The 4-Date Misrule

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Jack@hotmail.com
on September 11, 2012 at 11:28 am
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This is one of the few things I actually disagree with the PUA community on. I have found through trail and error that when i’m not pressing, when i’m not forcing the issue and I take it slow, I can nail the bitch to the ground and she begs for more. It’s when i move quickly and try to secure quick bangs that the whole deal explodes. And it’s much easier for me to mvoe slower when i’m spinning multiple plates because id ont’ really care if i bang her tonight, because i just got laid last night by my other option. In fact, I usually score the bang on about the 5th date and by then the chick is so emotionally invested in the transaction that it would take a modern day moron to loswe hand and screw it up.

I think the optmimal strategy is to actually lay back, not touch, not press, just lay low and then pounce on about date 5 with diner at your place and a timely bang. Once you bang her then, you can literally bang her for the next 12 months.

Just throw in a “i like to tak things slow, i’m really interested AFTER the bang….and she will not know what to do.”


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm
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    “It’s when i move quickly and try to secure quick bangs that the whole deal explodes.”

    If it explodes before the lay, you have shitty calibration. If it explodes after the lay (ie – you can’t keep her around for more than a few hookups after that), you have shitty after-lay game aka fuckbuddy management (managing buyer’s remorse, diffusing and avoiding triggering anti-slut defense, emotional push/pull, etc).

    No offense intended, I’m just saying its your game that’s weak (in this one area), not PUA tactics. There’s still an art to the push/pull involved in moving quickly, you don’t run in like a bull in a china shop with your cock flailing around.

    And that’s fine, you don’t have to be good at this style of game. What you’re doing fits your lifestyle and satisfies you and most importantly it works, so keep it up, I’m not talking shit here. I’m just defending the PUA tech because it’s solid even if you couldn’t make it work.

    Hell if I had a bunch of money and free time (and patience lol) I’d go on dates too. They’re just inconvenient to me right now and I’d rather skip to the sex. But whatever fits your lifestyle, run with it and more power to ya.


    • Jack@hotmail.com
      on September 11, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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      When you move fast, chicks get buyer’s remorse and freak out. I’ve seen it happen a milion times. When Mystery said 7 hrs, he wasn’t lying. It’s really hard to push it quicker than 7 hrs and keep it flowing. THe chick either freaks out, or is a total slut. Neither is what i’m looking for. I think the 10 hr rule is probably more fit for the current marketplace…considering most men paw and group from the 1 hr mark. My strategy is:

      Date 1.) Don’t touch, don’t talk about the next date, active disinterest, make no mention of seeing her again. A hug and a good bye at the end. Keep date short and two drinks minimum.
      Date 2.) Don’t touch before she has two drinks in her, then esclate, make out happens 98% of the time.
      Date 3.) Usually some sort of activity like a baseball game or some other bullshit nonsense. More making out….but don’t take her back to my place just yet.
      Date 4.) Make her dinner at your place. Push for the bang if you can, but don’t make it or break it.
      Date 5.) Weekend night. Heavy on the Drinks. I usually close 90+% and they all stick around after i bang.

      I can tell you one thing. Touching them on the first date and pushing hard just doesn’t work on a consistent basis, it just doesn’t seem to lead to long term stable success for me. Maybe it’s just my personal style. The ones i succeed with freak out. The ones i esclate kino and go hard but don’t get a kiss from, never return my call.

      Active disinterest is so unpracticed by men in the field that it’s like kat nip to chicks. I think you can raise your value by almost two full points on a 1-10 scale just by acting like you don’t want to fuck her and with a proper volume of negs.

      Most dudes group and paw at chicks from the get go and telegraph that they want to fuck them right out of the gate. Simply acting like you don’t care if you fuck them seems to be pretty poweful from my experience in the field. And building a soft harem of 3 chicks is really the best place to be in life. And landing them and banging them is only one step in the game. YOu have to be able to bang them and keep them around….that’s testestament to a guy that really knows what he is doing.


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2012 at 5:29 pm
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        “When you move fast BADLY and UNCALIBRATED and don’t know how to diffuse ASD and Buyer’s Remorse because your game in that category is shit.”

        Fixed your quote for you. I’ll respond in depth later. Myself and the guys I hang with and tons of PUAs are obliterating the 7 hour rule and have been for a while. 7 hours makes for a really solid lay, but you can do it in under 7 hours and have it be as solid. My bread and butter is fast lays + keeping fuckbuddies around for months-years.

        No worries, I’ll write some tips.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 2:10 pm
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        The chick freaks out because you think if she sleeps with you in less than 7 hours, she’s a total slut. She picks up on that judgement you’re projecting. You have a madonna/whore complex that you aren’t conscious of. So what happens is the slutty girls sleep with you in under 7 hours because they’re acting the way you expect them to act, and the nicer girls freak out if they sleep with you in under 7 hours because they can tell you think they’re a slut, and you aren’t good (yet) at managing their emotions in the after-math (aka calibrating to what she’s feeling) because of your madonna/whore complex (you legitimately think she’s a slut), so they get Buyer’s Remorse.

        Understand this: YOU are causing the reaction you’re getting.

        Part of getting women to sleep with you fast and not freak out is not judging them. It’s understanding that women are sexual creatures and that we all want to bang and that there’s nothing wrong with that. When a girl sleeps with me in a few hours, she feels as good about that decision as a girl who sleeps with me after a few dates. Buyer’s Remorse and freakouts happen when she regrets her decision, or just feels bad about it or like it wasn’t a good idea.

        The difference between you and I is that you just don’t know (or seem to have an interest in, since your ego has already created your limiting beliefs that you need 5 dates and you have your routine and that’s just “how it works”) how to ensure that the girl feels good about putting out.

        This is actually an internal issue, not an external one. It’s also one that you’ll probably roll your eyes at because like I say, you’ve created an identity for yourself and already built up a bunch of bullshit like “other guys grope and paw at them right out of the gate!” and “this method is like cat-nip!” to make yourself feel better about it. You’ll literally ignore what I’m saying and stick to your current method instead of going out and learning to diffuse Buyer’s Remorse and ASD for a few months. That’s why I’m not putting much effort into this response.

        You are essentially the Karate guy who talks smack about other martial arts saying they don’t work and Karate is the best lol

        When you can make a girl NOT feel like a slut for sleeping with you in under 7 hours, they’ll sleep with you quickly AND come back for more. I have fuckbuddies I’ve kept around for months, even a couple that I’ve seen frequently for over a year, and a lot where I haven’t talked to them in months/years but I could shoot a txt their way and re-ignite it easily if I wanted to (even if they have boyfriends now) because they know they can bang me and I won’t judge them.

        But hey, if what you’re doing works for you, keep doing what your doing. I don’t have a problem with your method (although it’s way too slow for me), I only have a problem with you making adamant claims that pushing it quicker than 7 hours doesn’t work. That’s a retarded limiting belief on your part, other guys (including myself) are shitting all over the 7 hour rule regularly lol


  • evilalpha
    on September 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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    Girls don’t wait till the 5th date to make up their mind!

    If a girl is willing to go on 5 dates with you then she would have surely given it up on date 3 and probably on date 2. You are the problem, not the PUA community.


    • Jelly Bean
      on September 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm
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      It’s not whether or not she wants to have sex with you. It’s her stressing out over whether you’ll think she’s a whore or not. Unless, you’re only into picking up sluts in bars.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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        “It’s her stressing out over whether you’ll think she’s a whore or not.”

        Agreed. 99% of guys have a madonna/whore complex and girls know it. Part of fast seduction is making it clear very quickly to the girl that you won’t judge them for fucking you. This is part of the Secret Society concept where no one judges eachother.

        If another guy and I both go out with the same girl, but he yaps about how he was raised in a traditional family with good moral values blah blah blah, she’s not going to sleep with him for a few dates. Meanwhile I’ll be yapping about sex like it’s no big deal and trading sexual adventure stories with her where she can see that I’m totally chill about sex and don’t treat it like it’s a big deal, so she’ll sleep with me on that first date.

        Unfortunately the madonna/whore complex runs DEEP in this society. Well, unfortunately for other guys lol, it works out great for ME. :)


        • evilalpha
          on September 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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          Oh man… dude…

          How many guys ACTUALLY sabotage his own pussy on a 1st date, by vilifying “sluts” to the woman he’s with?? Almost none.

          Why do you think that the madonna/whore complex is the only thing feminists RE-use from Sigmund Freud? Seriously think about it.

          Banging whores, but marrying a virgin is as old as time and very fucking alpha. You really need to internalize game a lot more than you have. Right now you’re like a veneer of game over a feminist, mangina former beta particle board core. Wake the fuck up.


          • YaReally
            on September 13, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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            That’s like saying “how many guys give their hand away in a poker game by shouting out their cards?”

            They don’t do it consciously. It’s in the subtleties that come with the mentality, from body language to tone of voice to how they keep in contact afterward to how they react to certain things in the environment on the date, etc etc.

            Two guys bang the same girl: one cuddles with her after and says “it’s cool if you crash here” and they get breakfast in the morning. The other backs off as soon as they bang and calls her a cab. Which guy will she think thinks she’s a slut?

            This isn’t rocket science guys lol I make my examples blatant and obvious for the same reason children’s books use big fonts.

            There’s also nothing wrong with a madonna/whore belief system, I’ve never qualified it as a bad thing. All I’m saying is that it limits you from getting certain results. Don’t get all emotional like a chick on me here, I’m logically saying 2 + 2 = 4 and you’re crying because you have 2 + 1 = 4 and I marked it with an X on your test. It’s not a judgement, I’m just telling you the formula. If you have no interest in getting 4 and you’re perfectly happy with what 2 + 1 equals, keep on keepin on.

            Jesus, it’s like PMS time in here. Where’s that period tracking app so I can mark this down?


          • YaReally
            on September 18, 2012 at 7:52 am
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            1. Because they don’t play poker. They’ve been playing “watch out for being shamed/judged for your actions/thoughts” since they were kids. Boys aren’t judged as harshly through their lives for thinking/talking about sex or trying to get sex or having sex.

            2. Vast majority of guys have zero poker face when it comes to girls talking about sex, especially face to face. It’s not something they run into very often so it’s not something they’ve had to learn to do. Just like a guy who’s never played poker won’t have a good poker face in his first game.

            3. Your mom and sister are as slutty as the girl shaking her ass on the bar. Or do you think they’ve only sucked one dick in their life? If you think any girl you know is a “good girl”, you’re living in a fantasy world. But whatever helps you sleep at night lol


        • Jack
          on September 13, 2012 at 11:42 am
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          except girls who sleep with guys that quickly ARE whores. You talk about guys having a “madonna/whore complex” as if its a character flaw. It’s not. Its just a firm grasp on reality.

          Now if you want to talk about ways to set non-judgmental frames and pretend you don’t have a madonna/whore complex, that I can get down with. But don’t try to convince me the girls you sleep with on the first nights aren’t fucking skanks. Maybe deep down you actually believe they aren’t sluts and its just societal conditioning and all that shit, and that probably helps you set non-judgemental frames because its what you think is true, but its still bullshit and you’re wrong.


          • YaReally
            on September 13, 2012 at 4:33 pm
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            Sorry man, I know you can’t relate anymore than a religious person could relate if I said I didn’t believe in god or anymore than a racist person could relate if I said I didn’t think black people were the filth of society.

            I legit don’t consider girls who put out early for me to be sluts. Sex is sex, it’s just a physical act like exercise. Maybe you wrap way more emotions in it than I do.

            There are girls I consider slutty and don’t have an interest in, but it’s not based on whether they put out quickly for ME. Of course she puts out quickly for me, she’d be retarded NOT to, I’m more attractive than any other guy she’s met or going to meet and she’s going to feel amazing and happy that she made the decision to sleep with me.


          • YaReally
            on September 14, 2012 at 2:01 pm
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            Nag, I avoid the ones that put out for any random guy. It’s no fun if it isn’t a challenge lol

            You’re free to think what you like though. When I was a newbie I thought any girl who made out with a guy in under 3 dates was a slut too. Social conditioning is powerful that way, but you’ll break thru that with enough experience.


          • YaReally
            on September 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
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            *Nah



Rollo Tomassi
on September 11, 2012 at 11:41 am
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In Game, there is a subtle balance that needs to be recognized between risks of over-investing in a particular woman with regards to practicality and not throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water and losing on a potentially rewarding opportunity. Women, as is particular to their own Game, will naturally come down on the side of casting doubt on a man’s valid assessment of a woman’s potential value, both in long term perspectives and potential sexual satisfaction. This presumption of doubt is a built in failsafe social convention for women; “if only you’d been more patient, if only you invested a little bit more, you’d be rewarded with a great mother for your children and the best pussy of your life – don’t blow it now!”

Put it this way, with just average Game, in 3 dates you should be able to determine if her desire level is high enough to want to fuck you.

In 3 dates you’ll know if her desire is genuine or if it’s mitigated by something else – another guy in rotation, sexual hangups, filibustering, etc.

In 3 dates you’ll have had sex or you’ll have had the “I wanna wait / I need to be comfortable talk.”

If you have sex on the 1st date or a same-night-lay, in all likelihood she’s really hot for, and into, fucking you based on physical criteria alone.

If you have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date, she’s into fucking you and probably wants a relationship because she wanted to give you a token impression of her not being ‘easy’.

If she fucks you after the 4th date, you’ll do as her first alternate.

If you’re sexless after 5-6 dates you’ve probably been at it for over 6 weeks, you’re over-invested and The Medium is the Message. NEXT.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 1:31 pm
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    “If you have sex on the 1st date or a same-night-lay, in all likelihood she’s really hot for, and into, fucking you based on physical criteria alone.”

    I heart you but I disagree with this. The problem is most guys don’t realize just how much you can DO on a 1st date if you’re efficient.

    Think of it like this: there are, say, 5 switches (totally just making this up for analogy sake) you have to flip for the girl to picture you as a long-term potential. 99% of guys will walk into the room and flip switch 1, then walk around the room for a bit and flip switch 2, then take a nap and eat a sandwich and walk in circles for a bit and flip switch 3…then they go on another date where she’s forgotten he flipped switch 3 so he starts back over at flipping switch 3. Then he meanders around and eventually accidentally bumps into switch 4. He thinks he’s done because he doesn’t even realize there’s a 5th switch. So she doesn’t quite put out yet. The next date they go on she’s hoping he’ll flip the 5 th switch he’s oblivious to but he’s a little clueless and she likes him because of the last 4 switches so she says fuck it and helps him along and guides him to the 5th switch. Now they fuck.

    What a really solid/advanced PUA does is just walk along that wall of switches and go “flick, flick, flick, flick, flick.” on date 1.

    To relate it to standard game for the guys new to this, it’s like how you know a girl wants to see that you’re a desirable guy. So you know that another girl (like an ex) hitting on you in front of your date is going to flip that trigger. Now you can take your date out somewhere random and cross your fingers that maybe something will happen to show your date that you’re desirable. And it might happen if the universe aligns right, or it might happen on the 3rd date, or it might not happen.

    Now what if you strategically made sure to take your date to a place where you knew your flirty ex was going to be that night?

    Another example: you know that your date wants comfort and to feel like she really knows you and has spent a lot of time with you. So you take her on a 5 hour date at a restaraunt. It’s great, except that by hour 1 the environment becomes familiar and she only has reference experiences in her head of being in one scenario with you. Now what if you take the PUA concept of leading and venue changing? So in one date you go to 5 different places, where each new environment you enter with her she gains another reference experience of being safe and bonding with you against the environment (we call this creating an Us VS Them bubble/frame). Now she’s still only been on one date but psychologically she FEELS like she’s been on 5 dates with you.

    Or take social proof. You know she wants to make sure you’re a good solid guy who everyone likes and isn’t some creepy shadow weirdo or evil player who will manipulate her (lol). You could take her out on a date to some random place and hope you run into some friends you know who will verify that you’re a good guy. Maybe that could happen by date 3 if you’re just wandering around taking her to a museum and theatre and shit.

    But what if you intentionally started the date at a cute little cafe near your place where the staff all know you by name and love you?

    Basically most guys, even players and PUAs who haven’t read the old PUA literature, go on extremely inefficient dates. That’s why for those guys, ya, her banging them on day 1 probably means she just liked their looks, because they have shitty game and haven’t flipped all the other triggers. But when you get advanced that guideline no longer applies.

    Not a lot of emphasis is put on the “Day 2″ (aka the first date) these days because 1) everyone wants to chase the Same Night Lay these days and 2) we already solved Day 2′s as a community, there’s tons of PUA literature on how to build a solid Day 2 plan out there so there’s not much ground left to cover.

    My “dates” are designed very specifically to flip the right attraction switches as quickly and efficiently as possible. Her sleeping with me on date 1 is based on as much non-physical criteria as her sleeping with a normal guy on date 3. That’s solid game. :)


    • Jack@hotmail.com
      on September 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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      A guy giving game advice who uses emoticons. Hilarious. Talk about a modern day oxymoron.


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2012 at 5:19 pm
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        ;)


    • evilalpha
      on September 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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      Efficient is right, but its as much about dating logistics as triggers. My previous favorite bar closed at 1am, was staffed with all hotties and was within walking distance of my place.

      Step 1. Meet me at my place and walk over…
      Step 2. Walk back to my place and continue the party.
      Step 3. Fuck.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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        “Efficient is right, but its as much about dating logistics as triggers.”

        Yep, that’s all part and parcel of building a solid Day 2 plan.

        Who’s going to get laid more, the guy driving a girl across town to some fancy restaraunt where he feels uncomfortable at having to use a specific fork for his salad, or you taking her to a bar just up the street from you where the hot staff chicks know you and you feel totally relaxed and comfortable.

        I think a lot of guys focus on the initial interaction and don’t realize there’s a TON of PUA information on designing a solid Day 2 out there, and how much different a solid Day 2 will actuall make in their results.



KillerQ
on September 11, 2012 at 12:04 pm
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** “As she’s kissing you, say, “Oh, hey, I’m not like most men. I don’t want to have sex until later, maybe much later. I have to get to know you first before I go there.” ** ”

I’ve found that this works more often than some might think and is most effective with closet submissive Asian women. Going against what the perceive as the norm for American men when you shut them down, the hamster starts spinning and their minds fill with an overwhelming amount of self-doubt. As her intensity increases in an effort to prove her worth, you have to decide whether to continue the thread of making her wait, or make a show of slowly giving in to her desires.

Just beware that if you make her wait, it could always go the opposite way and shut her down completely.


  • Days of Broken Arrows
    on September 12, 2012 at 1:10 am
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    This definitely works. I found out by accident by breaking off kissing a girl when I just didn’t like the way she kissed and that got me thinking I really didn’t like her, etc. Unfortunately, the rejection got her more into me and I really, really didn’t want even to talk to her after a while, much less sleep with her. But if done for a response, I can see this achieving the end goal.


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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      Yep. This is why one of the first PUA 101 rules you learn is “always break off the kiss first”.



kronos1978
on September 11, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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Once again, the PU community should less worry about numbers and more trust their instincts. Fuck rules like the 3-second rule, 3-date rule etc – they are just for lousy guys who alwas stick like slaves to protocols thinking it makes them successful. Such rules might be useful initially to develop a deeper sense whats going on in women, but often they do more bad then good.
Getting women is not rocket science, it needs no stupid tricks or obeying certain rules… Women are programmed to crave men, not all men, but when you are self-confident, even a bit arrogant or at least not a pussy-slave, funny to talk to and have something going on in your life, ladies will like you.
Just remember that you are a man and it’s your natural right to have your own opinion and to pursue women, it will work – of course you have to escalate things once she is hot for you, but give her time to become hot for you…who cares if it takes two, 3, or 7 dates.
Best is not to date at all, rather include her in the things you are doing anyway, this conveys the perfect “I don’t really care” attitude which is crucial for getting women.


  • evilalpha
    on September 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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    The PUA community was created because lots of guys have shitty instincts..thus the numbers. If it takes 7 dates to bang a chick you are surely doing something wrong.


    • YaReally
      on September 12, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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      Yep. The community wasn’t created by cool guys who decided to get super obsessive. It was created by the same guys who spent a year living in their computer room playing World of Warcraft instead of socializing. Those guys don’t HAVE “things they’re doing anyway” to invite girls along to and they have nothing but negative reference experiences telling them they DON’T have a “natural right to their own opinion and to pursue women”.

      You can’t even relate to these guys, so you would never be able to help them…it’s probably best for your frustration to just not read pickup sites/discussions.

      Rich Celebrity to a Blue Collar Worker: “Your car broke down? I don’t get what the big deal is, why don’t you just have your butler bring the limo around to get you?”

      lol



christianplayer
on September 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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I mostly agree with heartiste here, though a woman’s agenda is always at play and that agenda differs by her age. When a woman looks for a suitor at a young age, she seeks a cad. When she seeks a man worthy of being a biological father, she seeks a cad. When she seeks a man to fall for, she seeks a cad. Once she enters baby/financial agenda years, she may actually seek a wealthy beta male (with no intentions of sleeping with him for very long or ever becoming impregnated by him), and thus these three or four date rules are applied by women who are older and are looking for money and/or work to be outsourced.

These women are seeking financial and/or daddy-commitment (not an actual father, but a person to be the “social father” – ie: doing the work of a father) so they can outsource their work while sleeping with alphas on the side, or – when they become sexually irrelevant (39+) – have someone to take care of them. As an older and much wiser man once warned me, “A woman will make her agenda, your agenda if she becomes your wife.” Alphas should sleep with girls quickly, or as heartiste mentioned, if waiting a while, sleep with several girls on the side to avoid an emotional and mental commitment.

A woman married to a millionaire who works all the time, while she hooks up with many men on the side is no fool (in fact, she’s a brilliant business strategist when you think about it). She’s outsourced all the things she hates while having her fun on the side. The articles about a four date or three date rule really help women learn how to find the men to outsource the life they want and leave beta men clueless into thinking that these are “morally good and wise” women.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 2:13 pm
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    “A woman married to a millionaire who works all the time, while she hooks up with many men on the side is no fool (in fact, she’s a brilliant business strategist when you think about it). She’s outsourced all the things she hates while having her fun on the side.”

    lol very true. This is why I don’t hate these women, I fully understand the logic behind what they’re doing and for them it’s actually an optimal strategy, especially considering how the law and society will back them up and provide massive failsafes/compensation if she gets caught and divorced.

    The trick is just making sure you’re the pool boy and not the 100-hour work-week millionaire.



Ian Ironwood
on September 11, 2012 at 12:42 pm
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The real PUAs I hang with have a Two Date rule. If they don’t make contact under her underwear by the end of the second date, they move on. Some even insist on intercourse by date 2 or there is no Date 3.

This can be a lot of fun to watch. Hank is a friend of mine, 38, senior level administrator, six figures, good shape, and he’s thinking about starting a family . . . maybe if he meets the right girl. In the meantime, he has no compunctions about going out with as many auditions for the role as he can. Hank was the first dude I knew who enforced the 2nd Date rule, and I was amazed the first time I witnessed the following one-sided conversation over the phone after a second date that didn’t end the way he wanted it to. I’m only guessing at her words, but I’d venture it was a pretty accurate guess.

“Hey, Hank! I just wanted to thank you for taking me out last night!”

“Hey. Yeah, I had a good time, too.” Not particularly enthusiastic.

“Well, when would you like to do it again? Maybe dinner this Friday?”

“Well . . . I’m not sure that’s a good idea.” Reluctantly.

“But . . . but . . . I thought we had a really good time!”

“Look, I did have a good time — you seem like a really nice girl. But . . . well, I have certain standards for how I date, and if things haven’t progressed to a point I’m happy with by the second date, it usually means it’s time to move on.”

“What do you mean, ‘progressed’? I thought we clicked really well! I don’t know about you, but I felt some chemistry.” Starting to feel rejected, defensive, Hamster set to stun.

“Hey, I said I had a good time — but if you didn’t feel enough chemistry to want to get intimate with me, then don’t you think it’s in both of our interests to cut our losses and find people who are more appropriate?” Sounding dire, but grinning his head off.

I…I like you a lot, Hank, but I’m not the kind of girl who’s going to throw herself at a guy like that. I have some class. I’m not about to get intimate with a guy on a second date — you might be an axe murderer or something!” Attempt to recover with poor humor — Ladies, never mention a dude you’ve dated might be an axe murderer. It’s insulting and poor form, even in jest.

“Well, that’s fine, honey, it’s good to hear that there are girls with standards out there. But if you aren’t woman enough to try to close me by the second date, then I doubt you’re woman enough to handle a real relationship with me. I prefer women who aren’t afraid to go after what they want.” This puts her in a hard position: essentially using her defensiveness and insecurity about being rejected for a third date to convince her to argue in favor of a future sexual encounter. Hank is adept at controlling the frame.

Hey! If I want something, then I go after it!

“Yet you didn’t go after me — see? So why waste a third date on something that clearly isn’t going anywhere? You’re really a very sweet girl, but I’m looking for something that’s going to be serious and work out, long-term. If you aren’t willing to commit your body to me after knowing me for two dates, then you don’t know if you want me. And if you don’t know if you want me, then that kills the whole ‘chemistry’ thing. Either you want me and will do what it takes to get me, or you don’t and we’re just screwing around. I’m a busy man, I don’t screw around, so . . . unless you can give me a compelling reason (hint: sexual) to ask you out again, then I think it’s best we both pursue other options.”

Hank tells me he’s used this close/break-up conversation a couple of dozen times, now, and it works about 60% of the time. The other 40 weren’t that into him, or just not attracted, or were prehistoric hosebeasts once you met them in person. In a small number of cases, he’s even gotten the girl to agree to sex in advance of a third date. And one time he had the girl show up on his doorstep and demand that he do her, just to keep her from feeling rejected.

Four dates? I haven’t dated in 20 years, but if I had to wait until Date 4 I would have counted it as a sucker move, even in my Blue Pill days. When you’re a quality dude you can write your own rules . . . and the Date 2 rule is a pretty dandy one.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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    I would use this on the extremely-hot-but-secretly-low-self-esteem girls. ie – the 9-9.5s at clubs who turn everyone’s head and know they’re hot but are still concerned with what people think of them (a legit 10 with high self esteem doesn’t care if people like her or not because she’s internally validated, whereas the low self esteem girl, while she may look just as hot, is externally validated and will react and try to gain approval back when someone fucks with her value, aka the “I need everyone to like me!!” syndrome).

    I wouldn’t carry it as far as he does though, just cause expressly making them state that they’re going to have sex triggers ASD a lot more often and is probably a big part of the flakes he gets. He could probably increase his conversion % if he ran the same game but cut it off earlier and transitioned into a normal “okay let’s go on one more date” vibe. Basically once he’s planted the VERY clear seed in her mind (which he does great in your description, he’s totally non-needy about it and not mad/frustrated with her or anything, so that’s really solid and props to him) of “if you don’t put out, I’m walking” there’s no need to keep going with it. She’ll show up to the date ready to fuck. The trade-off would be like “1 naked-on-your-doorstep girl for every 5 flakes” for “5 girls-that-fuck-you-on-the-next-date with slightly more effort than opening your front door and 1 flake”.

    Which one is more appealing depends on your preference, lifestyle, free time, and apathy lol

    Of course he might normally tone it down and could’ve just been showing off and metaphorically running it into the ground because you were in the room lol



whorefinder
on September 11, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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One thing about bitches in heat is that they really aren’t that used to it.

For all the jokes about men being led around by their dicks, men at least have the experience of being turned on a lot more and for a lot longer than women. And, because of that, how to socially deal with that.

Consequently, when a man is turned on —say, at a strip club— he doesn’t charge the stage and throw a stripper down and fuck her right there, even if he wants to. Fear of the bouncers, arrest, rape charges, etc. are there, but so is the social approbation and, generally, his experiences as a younger man knowing how his sexuality acts and not succumbing to it. This, too, shall pass.

Women, on the other hand, experience lust and turned-on-ness more rarely, and its more fleeting for them. After all, the sexual reproduction is accomplished when men ejaculate, not when females orgasm, so nature made men hornier. This is also why women complain of a mood (for sex) “being broken” by a smell, a phrase, or a sight, while men do not have that happen—because men are built to push through and get the job done.

But because women get less horny, when they do get turned on, and especially turned on well, they have much less control. A smooth player who hits all the right buttons on a girl will have her in a puppy-like state because she doesn’t know how to handle it. Its at the root of when women say “it just happened”—she was so overwhelmed by unfamiliar instinct that she went on autopilot (almost literally), as she had no experience fighting it.

Hornier women—i.e. more masculine women—-are more in tuned with the male mindset because 1) they’re led around by their vaginas more; and 2) they have experience taming their vagina cravings. They don’t act girlish because girlishness is for girls who don’t know what waking up horny every day feels like.

All this is to say that women who are able to deny sex based on some “rules” mentality are thinking instead of feeling, which means they aren’t feeling horny enough to jump on you, which means they aren’t very turned on by you in the first place.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm
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    “he doesn’t charge the stage and throw a stripper down and fuck her right there”

    No wonder I keep getting thrown out.

    Seriously tho, your whole comment is solid gold. Everyone should read it.

    The last paragraph transitions into why PUAs say “change her mood, not her mind”. The beta rich 6-pack guy is trying to logically convince her to sleep with him with a pros/cons list. The alpha bad-boy who isn’t spending a dime on her runs her through a bunch of emotions that get her horny and she does half the work from there.


    • whorefinder
      on September 11, 2012 at 1:52 pm
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      Yeah, I remember some weightlifter writing that female weightlifters who took testosterone-like substances often commented to the guys how much their respect grew for them. Because, the girls, said, it was a wonder the guys didn’t just stop everything and masturbate all goddamn day.


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2012 at 2:08 pm
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        lol ya I heard that too. It’s why part of my screening with girls is for girls who LIKE to fuck. The frigid ones who are like “can’t we just hang out? Is sex really THAT important to you?”, I’ll tell them flat out “Yes, it is.” because I know extrapolating that attitude down the road into a long term relationship means ending up one of those guys who “jokes” about how his wife only puts out once a year lol



YaReally
on September 11, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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“A curious trick you can try on women who seem like the types to follow a “wait to mate” strategy is to preempt their objections by insisting on waiting yourself.”

We call this “stealing her frame”:

http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-routines/closing/how-to-disarm-last-minute-resistance/

It works like a motherfucker.

I can’t remember the last time I didn’t have sex on the first or second meet-up. I know I used to take around 3-4 dates for it with some girls, but my whole vibe/game these days is oozing “short term fling, not a long term provider guy” so there’s really no confusion on her part. She doesn’t need time to figure out which one I am, she knows right away that we’re going to be having sex ASAP if she hangs out with me…whereas when I first got into game, I was a lot more under the radar with my intent. But that just got me a lot more nights of spending money and getting blue balls lol, that’s why I focused on getting faster lays.

Logically you’d think this would screen out the girls who are looking for LTRs, like they’d go “oh he’s a player” and avoid me. But even the girls looking for an LTR need sex now and then. That’s why they keep in touch with their ex-BFs or occasionally drunkenly allow an orbiter a shot. Of course these scenarios “don’t count” so they’ll never acknowledge them.

So what I do now is capitalize on this knowledge and my membership to the Secret Society ( http://www.bristollair.com/2008/inner-game/nature-reality/secret-society/ ) and I’ll flat out tell girls that I’m not the boyfriend type, I’m the guy they can fool around with who won’t bring them drama or get clingy while they look for real boyfriend material.

It never fails to make me chuckle when a girl I’ve just pounded is cuddled up to me and telling me about some guy she likes and is going on dates with but not having sex with him yet because she’s making him wait (similar to this 4-date rule). Hell, I even give them advice on how to get the guy lol

Anyway, remember when you drop your date off on date 3 with no sex and it’s like 10pm, she’s texting me to come over and bang her as soon as your car pulls away.


  • Tjackson
    on September 11, 2012 at 6:20 pm
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    Yareally, thanks for all your contributions. Outside this blog, what are the top 3 or 5 resources you recommend for learning practical infield tactics? I assume tyler durdens archive on bristollair is one? Anything else?

    And again man, I really appreciate the value you offer in all your post.


    • immoralgables
      on September 12, 2012 at 12:12 am
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      Checkout TD’s vid collection on youtube. Use “RSD Nation” as a search criteria.

      It should help you get in the right mindset.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm
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        Ya, RSD’s video articles are great, specifically Tyler’s. Watch his whole archive of videos for a bunch of great stuff. His work is pretty much head of the pack in terms of progressing pickup as an art-form.

        Same time though, I got into the community in the old-school heavy tactics days and I think having a grounding in the old-school stuff underneath all the new “be shapeless like water” stuff helps a lot. Mystery Method was solid gold, but it’s a looooong read/watch. If you can handle that, great, but if not then I’d recommend LoveSystem’s “Magic Bullets” which is like a really condensed “only the important stuff” version of MM.

        Paul Janka’s “How to get laid in New York” is a good read (free PDF file) just to get a different perspective (he’s a natural and he does day-game in a really busy fast-paced city, he has some interesting takes on how he games).

        If you Google you can find “The Tyler Digest”, but I’d actually recommend this one instead or as well:

        http://www.dallaspua.com/files/mystery_method_collaboration_11.08.06.pdf

        It’s got a bunch of old-school writing from the top guys.

        That’s enough to get you laid like crazy if you go out and practice and apply it lol The only messageboards I can recommend are sedfast (fasterseduction) and LoveSystems’ board. The RSD boards are too full of retarded kids who are getting thrown out of bars, and other boards are too full of pussy “don juans” who don’t get laid.

        Good luck. :)


        • immoralgables
          on September 12, 2012 at 8:32 pm
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          As always YaReally, thank you


          • YaReally
            on September 13, 2012 at 4:38 pm
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            No prob, happy to help!



Anonymous
on September 11, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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Tom Leykis: 3 date rule is because pretty much all women have had a one night stand. Why should you wait when that guy gets in no problem? Why should you play second fiddle to that guy?


  • Jack@hotmail.com
    on September 11, 2012 at 1:45 pm
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    Because for the most part, when you fuck a girl first night, she doesn’t stick around long term. The goal is to be banging her off and on for 6-10 months. Not fuck her on a drunken friday night.


    • YaReally
      on September 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm
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      Your game is shit. See my reply to a comment earlier in this thread.



whorefinder
on September 11, 2012 at 1:53 pm
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Per my above comment, this is also part of why girls abnormally fear rape. When a woman gets horny, she “can’t control herself” and “things happen;” naturally, they impugn the same feelings to men.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm
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    I also agree with this. The same as how an alcoholic who always gets out of control and is now trying to stay out of trouble would worry about being around people who drink.



SantaCruz
on September 11, 2012 at 2:25 pm
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This post is well-timed, could use advice. Went on first date with sunday school teacher who was hella aggressive. I delayed on sex because she seemed like solid relationship material.

After second date, we couldn’t help ourselves despite agreeing it’d be better to wait and had very rough sex after a fancy night on the town. She, a 25yo, told me it was her first time since college. Probably true; she’s not on birth control and freaked out when I came inside instead of on her. It sucks, I wasn’t even trying for sex. I was trying my best to avoid sex, but she was making hella moves and whispering “we can’t” or “I should really go home, but this feels so good” and it was impossible not to. I really wanted to hold off, but alas I have a penis.

Sleepless from a girl the other night, I was off my game; was an uncaring asshole after the sex. Questioning me on friday night she found out a girl was over the night before. I tried opening up to her emotional questions to make up for impending ASD, but then she said “I see, you get emo after sex.” Possibly the worst double whammy, I went from overly uncaring asshole to needy 21yo. Despite my crap game, we still had more sex and she moved in to kiss me goodbye when I walked her to the taxi. After the kiss, she thanked me for the great sex (my gut told me it was a bad thing to hear these words from a girl like this).

Two days later I sent a sweet “saw blah blah and it reminded me of you” text to try and shift the mood and back off from aggressiveness. No response. Normally get something back within 5 minutes. To make matters worse I buttdialed her a bit later.

Do I resolve myself to the fact that I butchered this to no chance in hell? On second date she asked me about 8 different ideas for a third date: asked me to go to church with her, for a surf lesson, etc. I like to get more back n forth going before I ask out for a date, but not sure if I have any options with this girl other than to just move on. Which sucks because the oneitis is settling in and I actually believe it’s justified. I went from having her swooning for me to what I’m guessing is some of the worst asd imaginable.


  • YaReally
    on September 11, 2012 at 9:13 pm
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    I was going to go through this point by point but man, you fucked up EVERYWHERE on this one. You will never see or hear from her again, and rightly so. You missed her signals that she wanted you to take charge, and you acted like the woman while she did all the gaming on you, and you are completely not the type of guy she’s pretty clearly looking for.

    I’m not trying to be a dick, but you just made like every mistake possible to make with this one. Best to quit thinking about her, delete her number and move on. You will never ever get her now, especially not for a relationship. Getting one-itis for her will just hold you back right now.


    • SantaCruz
      on September 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm
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      Thanks dude. Oneitis is gone; all it took was number-closing a hotter girl this morning. I appreciate the harshness. It’d be great to get some insight as to why these were such heinous mistakes. My goal is to fail fast, learn fast.

      If there’s no shot, then maybe I could send “I thought about taking you out again, but it’s probably not something that’d work out. Good luck” just to get the hamsters furious.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 3:03 pm
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        “If there’s no shot, then maybe I could send “I thought about taking you out again, but it’s probably not something that’d work out. Good luck” ”

        God no, that’s a butt-hurt reaction and she knows it. Her hamster will go “ugh what a loser, why did I bother fucking him??”

        Glad you’ve moved on, it would’ve been brutal to see you get stuck on winning this chick back when there’s no chance.

        The jist of what you did wrong comes down to you and her exchanging roles. Read through your report again, EVERYTHING is “she wanted this and I didn’t want it but I caved and did what she wanted” and “it just HAPPENED, it was IMPOSSIBLE to resist, somehow we ended up doing such and such”.

        There’s acting and reacting. You’re the alpha male, you’re supposed to be the one acting and she’s supposed to be the one reacting to you. Whether it’s you approaching or teasing her and her reacting to that, or whether it’s you saying “No, I don’t fuck on the first date.” and her reacting to that. The point is that what you say, goes, and you should be leading not just her but leading yourself.

        You come off as completely spineless and shirking all responsibility. You blame it being “impossible” to resist and “we ended up hooking up” etc., like you had no part in any of that and it was just the universe pushing you around.

        Basically you’re like a pinball bouncing off your environment and the universe around you, letting everything else determine where you go and what you do.

        With a normal random girl, you might get away with that (though even she’ll get bored of it when she realizes you don’t have any will-power or leadership going on and she can push you around and dictate the relationship), but this girl specifically is into alpha leader type men. That’s why she likes the rough sex, that’s why she was hella aggressive in general, that’s why she made fun of you being emo after sex, etc. She wants the complete opposite personality type from who you are right now.

        Your gut was right, she was saying “Thanks for the great sex…because I will never ever ever hook up with you again. Goodbye forever.” I could tell just from reading your recap of the events that she wasn’t going to text you back after that lol

        You keep projecting onto her that she has “the worst ASD possible” when in reality YOU’RE the one with the ASD. :) You’re the one acting like a woman through this whole thing: wanting to make her wait, falling for classic PUA LMR-busting tactics (her saying “we shouldn’t be doing this…” as she keeps doing it), blaming “it just happened” for your actions, wanting to talk about feelings with her, etc.

        Not a big deal, you can work on this stuff in the future. Just work on making an effort to make decisions and stick to them. If you don’t want to have sex, don’t have sex. If you want to go on a date, go on a date. Don’t let the woman dictate the rhythm of the interaction, ’cause she WILL (especially the aggressive types like the girl from your report) but she won’t WANT to and will lose attraction for you.

        A classic way of describing the mentality is that the man is the oak tree, strong and rooted and solid to it’s core, and the woman is the twitchy little squirrel running around the oak tree. In your interaction with this woman, even though ya, you got laid, you were the squirrel and she was the oak tree.

        Start with making little decisions and make them adamantly. Like say “We’re going here and doing this” instead of “What do you want to do on our date?” Get used to leading and being decisive and sticking to decisions. You’ll probably find other girls are easier to resist having sex with because they won’t push for it as aggressively as this one did…you just happened to step on a land-mine of a girl (aggressive alpha type chick) which was totally not what would gel well with your current mentalities…that’s why I say you guys are completely not right for eachother.

        P.S. Use a condom, jeezus lol If you got her pregnant it wouldn’t keep her around, she would still be unattracted to you and end up ditching you for some other guy and then you’re paying child support for 18 years for a kid she won’t even let you see.


        • SantaCruz
          on September 12, 2012 at 5:29 pm
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          Hm. I’m normally decisive, dominant, and escalate fast. I’ll order the girl’s drinks without asking her what she wants. But I’ve struggled at dealing with ASD after first date hookups. One of my buddies suggested that I try making it my goal to not have sex or makeout on first dates, since my game sucks post-fuckapalooza. Sunday school teacher is the first girl I tried this mindset with.

          It wasn’t my idea to wait, she brought it up and it happened to jive with the advice I was trying out. Sunday school teacher sent a text out of the blue before the date saying that she had had trouble with guys expecting more sexually from her after a few dates than she was ready for and that she just wanted “to be on the same page.” I replied with a reframe and sent “Whoah whoah. I do expect more — I expect a great date. meet ya at — at –”. During the date, she was overly apologetic about the text and said she thought I wasn’t going to show up, ended up showing me texts from her friends telling her that I’d think she’s a “nutcase”.

          At my place we made out in my living room and then I carried her to the bedroom. I had decided I want to make a go for sex, but when I put my dick in she said “I can’t” and then “stop”. She expressed that she really wanted to, but wants to hold off till marriage for the right guy and that she wants to wait as long as possible for me. I told her if she wasn’t comfortable having sex, then we shouldn’t and that it’s totally cool. I turned away from her to go to sleep and she started cuddling and whispering about wanting to fuck so badly. So I made another go and we spent the rest of the night banging. She looked like she had gotten mauled by a bear when all was said and done.

          I still think she got ASD because she started saying “I really shouldn’t have” after the first round of sex, or maybe that was just a shit test? It’s from there that I went way asshole and then went “emo”. I thought I cannot have been that bad since we still fucked after that.

          The lesson is being too much of an asshole is recoverable, being too much of a pussy is not. But you’re right. If I have a thing for chaste girls, then I ought to make the decision to not have sex on the first few dates and stand by it. That’s going to be really fucking difficult. What was particularly hot about this girl was that she really enjoyed rough sex but also wanted to be the good subservient wife type (flat out said on first date that she wants to drop her career when she meets the right guy and be a great housewife).


          • YaReally
            on September 14, 2012 at 12:05 am
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            Let’s break this down thoroughly, PUA Field Report style, ’cause you sound like you’re legit looking to fix this and I have a lot of free time tonight since Jack’s mom is busy lol:

            First thing to keep in mind is that you can turn an open relationship into a monogamous one easily. You just see her more than once a week and “fall” for her and then give up seeing other girls. So don’t let our different goals taint your view of what I’m saying because the fork in the road toward open/monogamous relationships comes after the part where you’re running into problem. Once you have sex with a girl, turning her into a GF is EASY, regardless of what frame you set to get the lay.

            “I’m normally decisive, dominant, and escalate fast.”

            Honestly, with this girl, that would’ve gotten you farther. There’s a LOT going on with this particular girl, like I say you ran into a land-mine. It’s like saying “I’m no longer going to gamble or drink or have sex.” and then the next day you win a free trip to Vegas lol The universe just kind of fucked with you on this one.

            There are a few key elements/concepts going on here:

            1) You listened to her words instead of her actions/history (a girl’s actions/history are her blueprint…a girl who’s dated a bunch of jerks and then tells everyone she’s only dating nice guys now, is still attracted to jerks regardless of what she says…like the fat chick who says she’s going to join the gym, odds are she’s not going to because her actions/history show that she leans toward gluttony/laziness)

            2) You were reacting to her instead of her reacting to you (note: you can still be non-needy, push or not push for the lay, and get the lay, while reacting to her…but it fucks you over in the long run…essentially you came from a frame of “what kind of guy will she like me to be, what kind of obstacles should I run away from to hopefully get the lay?” based on the things she said VS “I’m going to do what I want, now what kind of silly obstacles do I need to get past or ignore to get the lay?”)

            3) You weren’t acting through your own intent (this is why you couldn’t stick to any of your goals (ie – to not have sex), you didn’t WANT to)

            So let’s go through our new info:

            “But I’ve struggled at dealing with ASD after first date hookups. One of my buddies suggested that I try making it my goal to not have sex or makeout on first dates, since my game sucks post-fuckapalooza.”

            Your buddy had good intentions, but he’s actually giving you advice that would help avoid LMR/ASD PRE-lay…and your problem is happening POST-lay so it’s like telling you how to keep your car from breaking down before you get to your destination instead of telling you how to fix it once it’s broken. You’re getting to your destination with no problem, your car is just breaking down the next time you try to drive there.

            What you need to focus on is avoiding Buyer’s Remorse and post-lay ASD. Keep in mind that you can do the absolute raunchiest, most disgusting, nasty, freaky, disturbing shit to a girl sexually (and otherwise)…as long as afterward she feels good about what you two did. On the flip side, you can have the most romantic, pleasant, lovey-dovey, sensual, candlelit sex with a girl…but if you fuck up the post-lay stuff and trigger her Buyer’s Remorse and/or ASD (and you can trigger this with literally ONE wrong word or action, or not even your own word/action but what she reads INTO your words/actions and decides what they mean), she’ll never want to see you again.

            “It wasn’t my idea to wait, she brought it up and it happened to jive with the advice I was trying out.”

            Right from the start, you’re falling into her frame even though it’s technically your frame too because you’re trying this new style out, but to her it looks like you’re falling into her frame. She’s setting the guidelines of the relationship and you’re going along with it.

            “Sunday school teacher sent a text out of the blue before the date saying that she had had trouble with guys expecting more sexually from her after a few dates than she was ready for”

            Her WORDS are telling you “don’t try to have sex with me quickly” but her ACTIONS are saying “I’m thinking about fucking you already, it’s a possibility in my mind that we’ll probably be having sex at some point, even though my ASD says it should ideally be later rather than sooner. If I didn’t WANT to have sex with you, I wouldn’t show up for the date at ALL, but I’m telling you that my ASD needs you to calm it down and make it okay for us to fuck early on, otherwise you’re going to have to wait…my ASD also doesn’t realize that if you wait, I’m going to lose attraction, it doesn’t think that far ahead”.

            How’s that for a mouthful? lol This is essentially a shit-test.

            “I replied with a reframe and sent “Whoah whoah. I do expect more — I expect a great date. meet ya at — at –”.”

            Beautifully handled. Well-done! Shit-test passed.

            “During the date, she was overly apologetic about the text and said she thought I wasn’t going to show up”

            Yep. Because you handled the shit-test so smoothly, you were totally not affected by it, so she started questioning herself and freaking out. Read into it deeper though and look at her actions again…now she’s essentially saying “omg…THIS could be the guy who can make my ASD chill out so we can fuck! I knew I liked him, but after how he passed that test so awesomely, THIS might be the guy who can make me feel good about fucking him quickly! Those other lame-asses I went on dates with who pushed too early had NO idea how to diffuse my ASD…omg I hope I didn’t scare this guy off!! :( :(

            The reason game works DESPITE girls knowing a guy is gaming them, is because they can tell “THIS is a guy who’s going to make this interaction smooth, fun, and make me feel good memories about it, so ya, I’m gonna’ play along with it because I’m getting nothing but good emotions!” It’s like you offered them a free rollercoaster ride. Most guys who have no game or shitty game, it’s “fuck, this is going to just be such an awkward time…ugh. He’s boring and he can’t tell what I want at all, and oh great, now he’s trying to escalate to sex with me, ugh this is all just unpleasant and full of bad emotions…why can’t I meet a guy who knows what he’s doing??”

            So you’re rockin’ here. She sees you as high-value and she REALLY wants to fuck you, as long as you keep deflecting her ASD so smoothly. Little does she know, you’ve decided to actively not be that guy she wants this time lol :)

            “At my place we made out in my living room and then I carried her to the bedroom.”

            And she didn’t freak out or leave or refuse to go in your bedroom? Listen to her actions. She wants sex here…BUT, she’s warned you about her ASD.

            Okay it’s gonna’ get complicated here:

            “I had decided I want to make a go for sex, but when I put my dick in she said “I can’t””

            Standard LMR. The usual remedy for this is “two steps forward, one step back”. Whatever she stopped you at, you back off to the step before it (so if you were sticking it in her, one step back would be just having it out and pleasuring her…if she stopped you at, say, fingering her, one step back would be just rubbing around her crotch area…basically just go back to the last thing she was comfortable with), and hang out in that zone for like 10 minutes turning her on more and more, then try again.

            Rinse and repeat this over and over. Generally by the 2nd or 3rd attempt to escalate, she’ll be so turned on she won’t stop you. BUT, if she DOES stop you after, say, the 3rd attempt, you might need to do a full Freeze Out, which is to pull away entirely, put it back in your pants, flip the lights on, and go back to watching the movie or check your E-Mail or break out a chess board or whatever. Basically you shut-down the whole situation in a totally non-angry/bitter way (which can be hard when you’ve got blue-balls lol). If she doesn’t want to play along then she doesn’t get any of the fun emotions. This usually causes their subconscious thinks “omg I fucked it all up, now he doesn’t want me anymore, no no, I really DO want to do this…” and often they’ll re-initiate or be more open to re-initiation in like half an hour, but with certain girls it’ll make them think you’re a jerk and you’ll lose them entirely and they’ll probably hate you lol

            That’s why we don’t Freeze Out until we have no choice, it’s the hail-mary after you’ve tried everything else, because it’s so polarizing. You don’t do a Freeze Out on the first resistance. Also a Freeze Out with sloppy post-lay game WILL create Buyer’s Remorse because she slept with you out of “not wanting to feel awkward/bad” instead of “feeling good”. This is what that Jack@Hotmail guy who thinks he has to use 5 dates is running into, that’s why I told him he has shitty after-lay game.

            Google for some of Tyler Durden’s LMR-busting techniques, I link them in the Heartiste comments now and then.

            Anyway, I explained all this LMR-busting stuff not because I think you have trouble with LMR all the time but because this:

            “and then “stop”.”

            …happened because you probably didn’t do “one step back, two steps forward”, you either kept trying to go forward or stayed where you were and later tried to go forward, instead of going back a stage. And THIS:

            “I told her if she wasn’t comfortable having sex, then we shouldn’t and that it’s totally cool.”

            …is actually you unintentionally (I assume, since it was actually just a by-product of the new style you were trying out and not an intentional technique) running a Freeze Out on her lol And what’s the consistently predictible result of a Freeze Out, as I described above?:

            “I turned away from her to go to sleep and she started cuddling and whispering about wanting to fuck so badly.”
            :)

            Now to jump back for a sec:

            “She expressed that she really wanted to, but wants to hold off till marriage for the right guy and that she wants to wait as long as possible for me.”

            This is her saying “This is what my ASD is, I need you to diffuse THIS. I WANT you, I’m telling you flat out, but I need you to make my ASD 1) feel okay with me not waiting for marriage, 2) make you feel like the “right guy”, and 3) feel like I’ve waited as long as possible, that this moment IS “as long as possible”…if you can assuage those 3 fears, we can bang like rabbits and we’ll hook up again and again because I’ll feel awesome about this whole thing.”

            Your Freeze Out worked because she DOES want to bang you, and she WAS turned on, and that’s the point of a Freeze Out…BUT, as you’ve seen, there’s no second time. She already knew there would be no second time when you walked her to the cab, that’s why she essentially said “goodbye forever” (and your gut picked up on her sub-communication here, it just didn’t understand WHY your spidey-sense was tingling).

            Anyway, back to this part of the report:

            “she started cuddling and whispering about wanting to fuck so badly.”

            This is her sub-conscious telling you flat-out “fuck, I thought you were the one who was going to be able to diffuse my ASD and make me feel okay with fucking you but you CLEARLY aren’t getting the hint aghghh…so now I’ll have to tell you flat-out to fuck me because you backed off when I told you to and that’s so frustrating because you were supposed to be The One…where’s the guy who smoked my text shit-test about being on the same page earlier?? THAT’S the guy I thought I was with…sigh, now I know you’re not the guy who’s going to diffuse my ASD, but on top of it I’m so fucking horny right now and you won’t even do anything about it, so now I have to admit to you, and to myself, that I’m a slut who wants to bang on the first date, but I’m so turned on that I can’t resist right now so I’m going to make it REALLY clear to you to fuck me, and we’re going to fuck eachother’s brains out and it’s going to be rough because I kind of hate you right now because I’m pissed at you for not coming through for me, and we’re going to get it on all night long and maybe even in the morning…but god DAMN are you ever going to see some reprocussions from THIS.”

            lol You COULD still recover from all this, but now you’ve got a rabid dog to calm down and that’s going to take a lot more work than if you had kept the dog from getting to that state in the first place. And since you already know you have weak post-lay game, that rabid dog probably isn’t going to settle down for you.

            Anyway, we’re not done yet. Now you’ve gotten the lay. Congrats! That’s awesome. And it was a GOOD lay, even better!

            …but remember the stuff earlier about making her feel good about her decision? You’re already one foot in the coffin on that one because of how you got to the lay. That’s why you get this shit-test:

            “she started saying “I really shouldn’t have” after the first round of sex”

            If you handle this correctly, and it’ll take some tight-rope walking because you’re working from a deficit, you’re all good and you can turn this around. She’s giving you a chance to recover here. From the first report, you handled it by:

            “Sleepless from a girl the other night, I was off my game; was an uncaring asshole after the sex. Questioning me on friday night she found out a girl was over the night before.”

            lol You’re pretty much done here. But at least now you know that this was the point where you could’ve saved the whole mess and turned it around. This:

            “I tried opening up to her emotional questions to make up for impending ASD, but then she said “I see, you get emo after sex.””

            …is pretty much just playing catch-up, grasping at straws, that’s why she made fun of you. She’s already decided here that she’s done with you. This is partly her now convincing herself not to see you again. Like when you’re happy with a friend, all you think about are their good qualities, but if they piss you off, all you think about are their bad qualities. Natural human reaction by the ego to make you always feel like you’re right and making the right decisions.

            She fucked you after it, but at that point it’s because she’s already decided that this night is a write-off so she might as well get what she can out of it since you’re both there naked and the sex was good.

            “The lesson is being too much of an asshole is recoverable, being too much of a pussy is not.”

            lol that’s a good lesson in general. For this particular field report, I’d say the main thing to take from it is that you had 3 chances to turn this into a solid on-going fuckbuddy situation:

            1) Before the actual lay, by diffusing her ASD when she gave you instructions on what worries it needed you to diffuse specifically. This is the easiest stage to handle it. This is the dog noticing the kid on a bicycle going by.

            2) But since you didn’t do that, and in the Choose Your Own Adventure book of pickup you flipped to the page with the Freeze Out, you ended up going down a path that led to your second chance to turn it around, which was “I really shouldn’t have…” after the first round of sex, which is MUCH more difficult to come back from compared to just not ending up there in the first place, but it’s still do-able with tight game. This is the dog barking rabidly at the kid on the bicycle and chasing it, furious with rage.

            3) After the whole interaction, when you sent your two days later txt to her. You could theoretically still turn it around here, but you’re laying in the coffin up to your neck in dirt and the undertaker is still shovelling…it would take some phenomenal game to recover at this point. I don’t think you could do it (not an insult, it’s just like you need a certain amount of experience with that situation to know what to do…same way someone who works at a suicide hotline would be more familiar with how to talk someone off a ledge than someone else), but the important thing is to know that that recovery spot DOES exist, for the future. This is the dog mauling the severed head of the kid on the bicycle. lol

            So what’s the optimal move at each of these stages to turn it around?

            1) Remember the 3 things her ASD needs you to fix, and at this moment in time your pants are down and she’s soaking wet and you guys are in the bedroom, which is a different situation than if you had this conversation over drinks at the bar lol:

            a) feel okay with me not waiting for marriage

            b) make you feel like the “right guy”

            c) feel like I’ve waited as long as possible, that this moment IS “as long as possible”…

            I’d take care of these things with honesty, gay as that sounds. Her ASD is screening for you being a player, so if you pretend to be all “I love you, I think I could marry you” if you’re NOT that way, it’s going to set off flags and she’s going to shut down on you.

            So I’d go with something like “That’s cool, I can understand that (I’m agreeing instead of begging or trying to convince you logically) and it’s pretty rare these days to meet a girl with morals like that (ie – everyone else is fucking, I respect your boundaries but what you’re doing is fucking weird). Personally, (I’m not going to call your notion to wait for marriage stupid, but I AM now going to share a short story that makes you FEEL like that notion is stupid lol) I find that sexual compatibility is really important to a relationship. My ex-girlfriend (btw, I’m capable of commitment, see?) was a great girl (I never talk shit about my ex-GFs, so I won’t talk shit about you either), we loved eachother a lot, but we weren’t compatible in the bedroom. It really caused problems in our relationship, because we got along so well but there was always this underlying resentment toward her on my part (’cause obviously SHE was the one who was shitty in bed, not me lol) because our sex life wasn’t satisfying to me. It wasn’t her fault (I’m not a dick), she was just more shy and reserved (hint hint, I don’t like shy and reserved) and I was used to sex being more fun and adventurous and spontaneous. Over time the resentment grew and obviously she started to pick up on it, but if the sexual chemistry is there you can’t just turn it off, and I know it makes me sound bad and shallow (awww, sympathy card), but I ended up having to break it off with her. So personally (sincere shit coming up) I don’t think I could wait till marriage…I’d rather let you know that now and have you tell me that’s not okay with you and we can just be friends, instead of lying to you and telling you that I’d be fine with waiting for like 10 years lol ;) (now pulling away from the seriousness and into making fun of her belief by exaggerating it)…especially when (kiss, with a grin), you’re right here (kiss), and you look so good tonight (longer kiss, with a grin), and I think we have some killer chemistry. (escalate from there)”

            That’s how I’d run it, anyway.

            “But you’re right. If I have a thing for chaste girls, then I ought to make the decision to not have sex on the first few dates and stand by it.”

            Yep. Either change how you view girls who put out quickly, or change how quickly you put out.

            “What was particularly hot about this girl was that she really enjoyed rough sex but also wanted to be the good subservient wife type (flat out said on first date that she wants to drop her career when she meets the right guy and be a great housewife).”

            You’ll never know, now. Don’t beat yourself up about it though, there are other girls out there, and you’ll be better equipped to handle them now that you lost this one. :)

            Good luck!



Talula
on September 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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I have a question perhaps any of you gentlemen may be willing to answer. I ask: What is your advice to a woman seeking a relationship on when she should have sex with a man she is attracted to whom she finds suitable for an LTR?

Some men will say it doesn’t matter when, and that the probability of a relationship forming rests wholly on the man’s interest level. Whereas some men advise that it’s more prudent to wait in order to send the message that one isn’t the town’s bicycle or a cuckold risk.

Both make sense. But which one is it? What is the most practical route for a woman to go about in this situation?

Women are aware that pre-sex is the most hand we will have in a relationship with a quality guy until he gets emotionally invested. It’s a little daunting at times to surrender that hand even when every inch of your body yearns for it.


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:15 pm
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    To me, I don’t care when you fuck me. All I care about is that you stay as awesome as you were when I picked you up.

    If 6 months in you’re no longer the healthy sexy fun optimistic up-beat chick who dresses up to impress me that I originally picked up, and instead you’re now bitching about work all the time and complaining about your friends’ drama and eating shitty because now you have a man so you don’t have to try anymore and you’re putting on pounds because you don’t bother working out either and because you’re putting on pounds you get all self-conscious and don’t want to dress up sexy anymore or have sex with the lights on and you spend all day bitching about your weight, job, friends, etc. but take no actual steps to change or fix any of that…THAT’S what I care about.

    Avoid THAT, and I’ll fuckin’ marry you lol “Oh but when we find a man we want to finally be able to relax around him and be able to let him know about things that bother us about our day so he can make me feel better” No, fuck you, just be a pleasant person and handle your shit. I’d like to just lay on a couch 24/7 playing X-Box but you’d leave me if I did that and no one would blame you lol

    “Well no one can stay perfect forever!!” I agree, that’s why I don’t do monogamous commitment or marriage.

    I’ve found a lot of normal (non-player/game guys) have the same complaint. A girl is awesome when he first meets her and then down the road she goes into crazy town and he ends up miserable because she’s no longer the chick he originally fell for.

    /rant lol


    • Jack
      on September 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm
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      There is no way you get laid bro. You have the “lol’s” going….the emoticon crap going. Your replies are freaking 18 paragraphs long. Comical. Turn off the video games and wake me up when your oprah pontificating ends.


      • YaReally
        on September 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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        ヽ(゜∇゜)ノ  Eeeeyyyy sexy laaaaaadyyyy

        ヘ( ̄ー ̄ヘ)  Op

        (ノ ̄ー ̄)ノ   Op

        (〜 ̄▽ ̄)〜 Op

        〜( ̄△ ̄〜) Op

        (☞゚∀゚)☞ Oppan Gangnam Style



Jelly Bean
on September 11, 2012 at 7:31 pm
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So, I have a question to those of you who do plan on settling down with the right girl, building a life together and having kids:

How many dates would you expect the mother of your children to hold out?
I AM a sexual person and pleasing my man every which way is very important in my book, but 4 or 5 dates still sounds so rushed to me. Sex is important, but it’s an act of love and intimacy. Well, at least, to me it is. Maybe that’s why the bar scene always seemed so weird to me. Is the ‘friend zone” such a dreaded place if you actually like the girl? For someone who equates sex with real closeness, love, trust and personal investment, it’s necessary to get to know the guy on a level that’s beyond superficial, to make sure that he really does care. That’s not a shit test.

I understand that many of you aren’t looking for anything that involved. But those of you who are looking for a girl who’d be important enough to have your children, wouldn’t you invest into the girl long enough to develop an intimate friendship before making sex mandatory? I’ve always thought of it in terms of months of hanging out, having fun and enjoying the romantic tension and growing intimacy rather than just a few dates. Would you advise your daughter to sleep with a guy in 5 dates, if she were looking for a man, not just sex? I don’t think I’d be able to.


  • Shaggy
    on September 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm
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    You better be really hot or be really good at blow jobs if you think you can hold me off for more than 4 dates and expect me to be back. you will not be the mother of my kids if you are not fucking me.


    • Jelly Bean
      on September 11, 2012 at 10:00 pm
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      I can’t imaging giving a blow job to someone who weren’t THE man in my life. Oral sex is sex and it requires intimacy of a special kind. Holding someone off was never my intention, and I’m not following any rules. It’s just that sex=making love to me. And I am unable to toss the concept of “love” around lightly.
      But, hey, thanks for answering my question. Basically you’re saying that you would be comfortable settling down with a girl who slept with you within 4 dates. Are you okay with the fact that she probably slept with the other men who got to the 4th date? I’m not saying that she necessarily did… It’s just that she wouldn’t be able to move so fast with you if it weren’t an okay thing for her to do, in general.


      • Jason
        on September 12, 2012 at 4:12 am
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        I got my wife on our second date. No hard feelings, no hangups, no regrets, no bullshit. It was just real and passionate.

        We both joke about it now — that society has these absurd ideas about “waiting”. The connection was so real that we couldn’t have waited if we’d wanted to.


        • evilalpha
          on September 12, 2012 at 9:12 am
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          It was just real and passionate between her and all those other guys too. LMAO.


          • YaReally
            on September 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm
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            It’s been my experience that a lot of guys who talk about how great virgins are and how much better they are and how they’re the ultimate prize, are usually guys who’ve never actually been with a virgin, or have only been with one or two max.


      • YaReally
        on September 12, 2012 at 3:21 pm
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        “I can’t imaging giving a blow job to someone who weren’t THE man in my life. Oral sex is sex and it requires intimacy of a special kind.”

        Comments/beliefs like this are what I screen for when I meet a girl so I don’t waste my time. Like good luck with that, I hope you find a nice dude who doesn’t care about his penis and has watched The Notebook a dozen times, you guys will have a blast and I wish you the best. But you and I would be completely incompatible sexually…even if I used super ultra ninja awesome game to get a BJ out of you, in the long-term your Disney views on sex would end up being a frustrating hassle to me and cause resentment and frustration in our relationship and ultimately destroy it.

        I actually have certain conversation topics and statements/questions I bring up early on when I meet a girl to test the waters of whether her and I have the same outlook on sex.

        You also have a madonna/whore complex lol which is funny because you’re a girl, but also not uncommon, oddly enough.



Cail Corishev
on September 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm
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Scrubs did a nice spoof on this (Elliot Reid is a female doctor, Carla is a nurse):

Carla: So…you guys have…?

Elliot: Not yet, but tonight’s our fourth date, so….

Carla: Four dates?

Elliot: Yeah, it’s one date longer than the sluts, one date shorter than
the prudes. I am Four-Date Reid!

Carla: Yeah, but, what about that surgeon the other—

Elliot: [shouting] I’m Four-Date Reid!

Paul comes up and puts his arm around Elliot.

Paul: Hey, Cutie! You ready for our third date?

Elliot: Fourth date! You’re forgetting about the time we ran into
each other at the coffee machine. [to Carla] You shut up!


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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    lol’ed

    the sad part is that this isn’t even a spoof. I’ve witnessed conversations like this with women.



Jason
on September 12, 2012 at 4:25 am
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My two cents:

The 7-hour rule is totally dead on. It’s a great observation. (I just ran the numbers in my head for several of my pre-marital conquests, and they indeed average out to about seven or eight hours apiece before shagging commenced.)

And while I’m usually more patient than most men, I realize now that I did subconsciously abide by the three-date rule. At risk of sounding hippy-dippy, it just feels … organic. Both of you should be feelin’ it by the third meeting. If not, it won’t EVER feel right, and you’ll pay dearly for the forced, awkward sex later, down the line, either in a vicious breakup (been there) or in divorce court (no way).


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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    While 3 dates is too slow for me, I actually do find it reasonable for the average guy. Same with the 7 hour rule. Going faster than that is possible, but it’s more just for the guys who are going hardcore into PUA stuff and want to push those limits for their own amusement/satisfaction.

    For the average guy who works a 9-5 and goes out now and then on weekends and is reading the Manosphere and picking up some general outlook tips on how to be more attractive to women, and meets a new women every few months organically through their social circle or work or by luck, 7 hours and 3 dates is just fine and are good guidelines to find girls who are into them and weed out the girls who aren’t without wasting much time. No sarcasm at all here.

    Like I say, the only issue I take is when people say it CAN’T be done or that any girl who sleeps with a guy too fast is a slut and won’t be able to be kept around etc. etc. Same way someone would tell Bruce Lee that fingertip pushups can’t be done…maybe YOU can’t do it, but people training more intently can.



C
on September 12, 2012 at 4:41 am
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the key to a fast bang on a date is venue changing, aggressive kino and alcohol. even if you’re meeting up in the middle of the day, you should start out with drinks.

if i don’t see her as LTR material, there’s no way i’d date her more than once without banging her. i also screen for sluttiness. if she ever had a ONS, she’d better be fucking me tonight, if she wants to see me again.

if i encounter resistance with a slutty girl, i do the freeze out. that way atleast i’ll get a blowjob. the chick will hate you. but who cares?


  • YaReally
    on September 12, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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    Far as alcohol goes, you don’t really need it, but having the excuse of “we were drunk, it just HAPPENED” is a good LMR/ASD buster. You definitely don’t need to get them actually drunk. Literally all it takes is for them to have a sip or two so they can say “we were drinking” when they tell the story lol

    I used to get mad that girls would waste my beer by just having a sip and leaving the rest while we fucked, so in the morning after she’d leave I would screw the caps back on and put them back in the fridge and then the next girl I’d have over I’d pretend to have just opened the bottle. With liquor I don’t even pour them any, I just mix it in the kitchen and give them a glass of Coke/Sprite/OJ/whatever and tell them it’s got vodka in it.

    I’m poor lol



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YaReally
on September 11th, 2012 at 12:17 am
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@Stephen

“She said we might be over before long if my attitude doesn’t change and I just laughed and said so what?”

I let out a little “fuck ya!!!” under my breath when I read that. Fuckin A, props man!


YaReally
on September 11th, 2012 at 12:29 am
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@Rollo

“All of the very positive, very beneficial aspects of accepting a red pill reality come at the cost of abandoning the blue pill idealisms we’ve been conditioned to for so long. Leaving behind that polyanna, expectant, blue-pill dream seems like killing an old friend, but unlearning that old paradigm allows you to benefit from a far more hopeful red pill existence.”

Yep. I would argue that understanding and accepting women’s limitations and faults as how they are, instead of expecting them to live up to an imaginary ideal actually allows me to love them more, because I love them for who they are, faults and all, not who I hope they’ll be. There’s no need for her to put up a facade around me, I know her to her core, so if I love her, that’s a love based on truth.

To quote Into The Wild’s version of Thoreau’s quote: “Rather than love, than money, than faith, than fame, than fairness…give me truth.”


YaReally
on September 11th, 2012 at 12:53 am
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One more lol:

“I think alot of guys are stuck in the I b. part. Because the reality is uglier.”

I think the biggest difference between myself personally and the Manosphere commenters I’ve seen is that the red pill was a tough swallow for most of them. It went down hard, took multiple tries, they got stuck in “I b.” clinging to shit, it was a total scary mindfuck, accepting the realities of the red pill (like the comment above about how it would mean everything is meaningless and that’s too scary/depressing to accept) etc etc.

For me, I had no reference experience with women or anything outside the bubble of my computer room living at home. So when I found PUA and the red pill I was like “woah what?? Awesome, gimme!!” and swallowed it more eagerly than xsplat’s mom on a Friday night. And when I realized the red pill was showing what an imperfect and fucked up (but logically consistent) world we lived in when you ignore all the Disney shit and the social conditioning and brainwashing, I was like “this is amazing, I love seeing behind the curtain, show me more!!”

If I had found this stuff after two divorces and a couple of kids and failed careers etc, I’m sure I’d have had as much trouble with it as a lot of Manosphere guys. It’s a shame this stuff is so shrouded in MSM-hate/fear…the more men it reaches, the earlier in their lives, the better.


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muscleman
on September 10, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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How does ‘auto game’ factor into this definition though? ‘Auto game’ being things like wealth and fame/notoriety and not just the illusion thereof.

[heartiste: game is no more an illusion than pert tits and firm asses are an illusion.]


  • YaReally
    on September 10, 2012 at 6:31 pm
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    Wealth is not attractive. You can see a ton of rich guys going home solo every weekend at any high-end club. If it were a constant, every guy with money would be getting laid and they wouldn’t be attending PUA bootcamps.

    Fame/notoriety on the other hand, is consistently attractive. No matter if you’re just famous in one small location (local restaurant, bar, town, etc) or world-wide and weather it’s for something good or bad (death row) you’ll have a fan club of attracted girls.

    …but that’s called Social Proof, which is already a Game concept (and I guess an HBD concept?).

    So ya, I’m just pointing out that your concept of “auto-game” doesn’t exist, it’s either not actually attractive or already a part of Game.


    • The Dude
      on September 10, 2012 at 10:39 pm
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      The only thing wealth attracts by itself is gold diggers…which in any case is a woman you don’t want to be with.


      • YaReally
        on September 10, 2012 at 11:42 pm
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        lol even then they’re not sexually attracted by it, they’re just opportunistic. If money made them wet they’d just hump a pile of dollar bills.

        One could argue that the wealth helps foster a situation and circumstances where the golddigger can BECOME attracted (to the Game qualities the man has), by removing an arbitrary psychological obstacle that she’s created to hold the key to the lock on her attraction floodgates (the same way a scared person may be capable of being relaxed if what’s causing that fear can be removed, psychologically unlocking access to their relaxed feelings). But just as a room filling with light isn’t objectively relaxing (what if a dark room lit on fire?) but the act of turning on the lights can allow the scared person to see the room is calm and allow themselves to relax, the wealth itself isn’t objectively attractive, but having it can allow the golddigger to see her financial hang-ups assuaged and allow herself to become attracted.

        But then, we’re talking about golddiggers here, one of the lowest forms of women there is, personality-wise…so really, who cares? lol


    • lightlybraisedturnipdotcom
      on September 11, 2012 at 4:09 am
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      Very true observation. Of course, it is easier to be care free, travel to exciting places and learn a lot of great things if you have cash.

      Chicks do not like poverty even if wealth does not turn them on in and of itself.


      • YaReally
        on September 11, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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        The problem is most guys chasing wealth waste their entire 20s-30s chasing it, working 80+ hours a week with no time to socialize and interact with women and learn to attract and seduce them.

        So in the end they have a ton of money and are like “so where are the bitches I was promised???” and are fucked because they don’t have the Game skills to attract or keep anything but golddiggers or prostitutes.

        Ideally you want a job that pays decent but allows you to still have free time to go out and socialize and approach and date women regularly. If its a choice between a high paying job and no free time and a lower paying job with tons of free time, take the lower paying job.


        • YaReally
          on September 11, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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          Oh and a social job is GREAT. Like bartending, where you get paid decent AND are expected to socialize and flirt with girls.

          A buddy of mine works in a corporate job now but spent a year working in a high-end clothing store in the mall. The guy’s social circle is full of gorgeous chicks because he practiced his game on all the hot chicks coming into his store. He’s got way more access to gorgeous pussy than the guy who stayed in all the time to study for med school exams.



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YaReally
on September 6, 2012 at 8:01 pm
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Never slept with a buddy’s girl. I won’t even hit on a girl a friend says he has a crush on. Not only will I tone my personality down around her and try to be boring, but I’ll purposely beta myself to him in front of her so he looks better and then bail as soon as I get them set on a solid track.

There have been a lot of wives/GFs of buddies that I COULD sleep with, easily, and the guys can’t even see the iois happening. But fucking your buddy’s girl is a sign of scarcity…I can get other girls, I don’t need his.



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YaReally
on September 5th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
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Outcome independence isn’t about not caring. It’s about not defining your self-worth or determining your state by the outcome. You’ll still approach the girl with passion, but if she shoots you down, shrug, that’s alright, you’re it phased as a man, you don’t doubt your self-worth based on her reaction. Oh no, your friends saw you get shot down and they thought you were a player…does their reaction phase you? Do you feel like a loser because of that judgement? Because of the outcome? When you’re approaching do you NEED it to go well?

That’s all it means. Most beta/AFC/etc guys define their self worth based on the reactions of other people and the outcome of situations they’re in. They base their worth externally. Women do this too, they look to their environment to determine their self-worth.

The alpha isn’t phased. He can get rejected by a girl or fail a business venture or lose a sports game and he just keeps going, trusting that he’s awesome and that he’ll overcome adversity and succeed and that his natural awesomeness will come through and eventually he’ll be “Winning”.

When the PUA community first started throwing the term around there was a lot of confusion with newbies and they thought it meant to not bother showing any interest or passion or make any effort or moves etc.


YaReally
on September 5th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
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*meant to contrast the beta/AFC/women basing their worth and how they should feel about themselves externally by writing that alphas base it internally but lost the sentence to my iPhone. It’s a simple distinction but it underlies a lot of game concepts.


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Ulysses
on September 5, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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The inability to blast a load is on the unbelievable side, though maybe he was drunker than he realized. Or maybe all the Red Bull created a cocaine-dick like effect. Otherwise I’m guessing he had the stereotypical “this is awesooogrunt!” experience shortly after he entered unsheathed.

That chick has the most expensive IUD in the world.


  • YaReally
    on September 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm
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    “The inability to blast a load is on the unbelievable side”

    Nah that happens a lot. It’s just psychological. The guy goes into the whole thing thinking too much about how his performance will be (esp if he’s 20+ and self-conscious about his lack of experience, plus porn makes real women less exciting, plus often these guys have religious/”moral” beliefs about sex which is why they were virgins for so long etc). So in his head he starts worrying and stressing himself and then when he doesn’t come in the stereotypical 30 seconds he’s supposed to come he spirals down into thought-loops like “why aren’t I cunning? Omg what if I can’t come? Everyone said I’d cum in 30 seconds the first time! Am I doing it wrong? C’mon cum dammit cummmm fuck she’s probably wondering why I haven’t cum yet c’mon c’mon c’mon”

    And it just gets worse and worse lol it’s perfectly normal, it’s just a result of focusing on psychological headspace noise instead of shutting off the brain and just being “in the moment”.



Antonio
on September 5, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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“My mission objective once shit was starting was to get her to cum which was on a psychological level very important for me. A few months ago I watched a how to video on youtube and the girl advised the digital insertion the index and middle fingers with a “come-hither” motion. I think I felt her g-spot and I focused on massaging her insides with that lump as the base of operations. Again, through observation of my subject, I can only conclude I was successful in my endeavours; she kept rolling her eyes into the back of her head, she was biting the skin on her upper arms, her torso and legs were convulsing… Shit was cash. Between her uncontrolled movements and bodily shudders, she looked up at me as perplexed as a betrayed friend and said, “how the fuck is this your first time?” I didn’t bother answering but I can only say it had something to do with watching lots of porn, reading parts of e-books that deal with this subject and actually caring for her sexual needs instead of getting hasty and just sticking it in. I did want it to be a little special after all.”

This fucking resonated into my mind. It happened the same to me, but she didn’t ever know she was my first. On the other hand, I used a condom, which made it impossible for me to orgasm. She was flabbergasted, and now I understand that in the precise moment, her hamster went on overdrive, like RooshV says:

http://www.rooshv.com/it-doesnt-matter-if-she-orgasms-or-not

Some time later, she told me she was on the pill and that I could go raw. I did (as risky and stupid as it sounds), and I can now say it’s one of the best feelings you can have, ever. The only thing that can compare is a blowjob from a talented performer.


  • YaReally
    on September 5, 2012 at 5:53 pm
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    “she looked up at me as perplexed as a betrayed friend and said, “how the fuck is this your first time?” I didn’t bother answering but I can only say it had something to do with watching lots of porn, reading parts of e-books that deal with this subject and actually caring for her sexual needs instead of getting hasty and just sticking it in. I did want it to be a little special after all.””

    lol ya this was pretty much my experience. I actually stopped telling girls I had recently been a virgin because they just wouldn’t believe me and thought I was lying because I was getting them off so well. So like my 3rd girl had thought I had been with dozens of women lol

    But it was the same reason for me, I was a virgin in my computer room watching porn and reading articles and ebooks and guides and shit on how to get a woman off because my exact thinking was “it’s going to be so rare that I’ll ever have sex with a girl that when I finally DO I’m going to know EXACTLY what I’m doing damnit!!”. This was before I found PUA stuff.

    The knowledge has served me well lol once again I highly recommend Squirting 101 and David Shade’s sex stuff (the “deep spot” etc)



A Virgin Mormon’s Journey To Game

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corvinus
on September 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm
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I’ll dissent… the post was NOT far too long; we need detailed field reports so us recovering betas know how “it’s” done. We don’t need them all the time, but having this type of post once in a while can be quite helpful.


  • YaReally
    on September 6, 2012 at 10:01 am
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    I didn’t read it cause I skimmed it and realized it was like 20 pages just to read about a guy getting one awkward lay. And not even a guy that anyone here can probably relate to (any virgin Mormons learning game reading this?).

    There are good field reports out there, but this reads more like a romance novel than a structured breakdown/analysis of solid game to learn from.

    It might get newbies who’ve never gone out to actually go out though, if they read this and realize that they could be having random adventures themselves by going out and approaching girls. Unfortunately most newbies are content with just living vicariously through reading romance novel style reports like this.

    Good to have some field reports here but an FR by a Tyler Durden type is light years ahead of an FR by a newbie where how he did on the mechanical snowboard is worth a paragraph of details lol all good tho, at least it’s not a race discussion



How To Do Anniversaries The Alpha Way

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YaReally
on September 5, 2012 at 11:34 am
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I forgot it was an Odd anniversary and bailed on our plans at the last minute to bang some other chick I was on a first date with.

Found out months later she had cooked and laid out candles and all that shit. Whoops lol



Street Kiss Close Analysis

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YaReally
on September 5, 2012 at 11:21 am
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Watching guys comment on pickup footage makes it VERY clear which guys have game, which ones have actually approached girls before, and which guys get laid. It also makes it very clear which ones don’t. Guess which type of guy is the overwhelming majority around here? lol


  • obviouslynotanonymous
    on September 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm
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    Can you explain this further, YaReally?

    I’m just curious as to how one would come to such conclusions based on somewhat anonymous comments/questions.


    • YaReally
      on September 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm
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      It’s the same as if I was commenting on how a soldier in Afghanistan should’ve done something, or seen something coming, or assessed a situation, or if I was judging his enemy, or commenting on how legit his story of what happened is, etc.

      A guy who has a ton of actual in-person experience with that situation will have very different comments and perspective on it than the keyboard jockeys who’ve only imagined the scenario in their heads or read about military tactics and laughably consider their opinion in any way valid because they pretend to have a big ePenis on the Internetz.

      I don’t even have to name names, the legit guys know that what they’re saying is legit.