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Case Study – Adam’s Lament

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YaReally
on October 31st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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Awesome breakdown. I wish I had seen this when I was younger and I know a few young’uns I’ll be linking it to. It really is an unplugging mindfuck to realize an LTR in your 20s actually holds you back in developing yourself as a man.

Great article, hope Adam follows your guidance. There’s a world of awesome women out there that he should be experiencing.


YaReally
on October 31st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
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@Alfonso:

“Rollo said its okay to let your gilfriend leave you and let her ride the carouselle. I think it’s not.”

It’s not your choice. You don’t have control over this. You’re still holding onto the wheel. Let go and accept reality as it is, not as you want it to be:

http://vimeo.com/11064775

“I want to focus on quality. Simply, quality. Of body and soul.”

To get quality, you need to be able to get quantity.

Also you should start seeing a therapist/psychologist, you have a lot of issues going on that game probably isn’t going to help you get through. There’s no shame in it, I’ve known lots of guys who’ve gotten help sorting their lives out. You’ve picked a shitty identity (nerdy loser) and you revel in it and wear it like a badge to excuse yourself from doing the hard work necessary to overcome your shit, it comes across in your writing blatantly. A professional might be able to help you get started sorting it out…down the road game will help you, but you need to fix your general outlook on life and yourself first.


The Age Of Flakes

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The Shocker
on October 29, 2012 at 11:51 am
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Here are some of the repeatable, learnable tactics I can share from seeing my 1st HB10 in a city known for being a hot babe desert. Anticipating flakery is a big part of it.

First, subtlety and class. With most girls (HB6-8) I’ve been very successful going caveman. Gush on my hand little girl, I’m imagining wrecking you on my mahogany conference table, etc. That would not work on this girl. She’s too intelligent (a lawyer), she’s too high class (Rich 26 y old, spent her youth partying with benjamins in Miami) to go for crude behavior- while the rest of her friends swoon over a hot bartender, her attitude is ‘who would want a bartender.’

Okay so what am I saying. Less overt, less raunchy *is* better because it’s classy, her antennae are up for class because it’s DHV. When guys fight or physically AMOG, some girls like it. The obvious reason is because testosterone. But some girls like guys who fight because it is a D*L*V, and means the guy can’t get better girls. Same with being raunchy. Some girls will like it because it’s testosterone alpha, some will like it because it’s dLv and it makes men more attainable. But she’s an intelligent HB10 and wants the best for herself. It reflects her style too:

Her: I’m down to *do* something after if you’re *up* for it!
Me: I’ll be up.

Relevant to the topic: Intentionally spiking the ball has been very effective for me. I do not make plans with this girl unless she’s 100% committed. I invited her out, she said she *might* have plans but would try to make it, can I let you know. My response 2 hours later, ‘no worries another night.’ One of our mutual friends who she’s been talking about me with later told me that line got her wound up and right then ‘she was in the palm of my hand.’ Spiking the ball is like calling a bluff. The first time I got her to come over for a midnight booty call (only one date prior), she hit the brakes:

Her: we should go out.
Me: mature
Her: Sarcasm?
Me: No
Me: Every night you’re not in my bed is a mistake
Me: But yes respect you for wanting to slow roll it
Me: Same thought myself
Her: blabla
Me: Tonight tho
Me: let’s get silly and naughty
Her: K where

Here’s how I handle the fact that she’s insanely gorgeous. I don’t ‘do’ compliments. First time she compliments me, I wave it off. As I explain why, I’m like, “I don’t *do* props. See, I could tell you you’re the most attractive blonde I’ve ever met, but that takes the fun out of it.’ Alpha/beta. So now I never have to compliment her. One time I did, “you strike me as very adult and it’s very attractive.’ Her response, ‘can’t tell if you’re serious haha’ (adult is a neg, btw, mature = old). My response, ‘see compliments are always kind of gay haha.’ So now the fact that she’s way above my league looks-wise (only 1 inch shorter w/o heels!!) never gets brought up. Most I’ll compliment is in the bedroom and in question form, ‘why are you so beautiful.’ ‘how are you so cute’ (cute = neg, childish).

Next, brutality when she makes a mistake. When she makes a mistake and loses hand, no free passes. I don’t ‘make it better,’ but I don’t make it explicit either. Example, while she’s out drinking with her friends she didn’t get a joke I made. My reaction, ‘are you wasted.’ She responds, No I just blablabla. Another time she misinterpreted something I said, when I corrected her she sensed she made a mistake. She texted me a few more times, ‘wish you were here,’ I ignored for the rest of the night and maintained hand.

Despite the subtlety in my tactics, I still position myself as 100% sex dom. The code word I’ve come up with is dangerous. ‘Come over I’m feeling dangerous.’ On the cute side, I’ll send her things like:

‘Want to bite me tonight?’
‘I mean, want to get a bite with me tonight?’

‘Come bang’
‘I mean, come hang’

‘Come to [bar] I want to whisper dirty things in your ear’

It’s all about the bedroom with me. It’s a mix between ‘dangerous’ alpha and witty/cute domestic ‘beta.’ Example, when we first started hooking up I didn’t try seriously to get in that puss. But I would say things like, ‘what if I just overpowered you and ravaged you right now.’ Response, ‘it wouldn’t be overpowering if it was consensual.’ Still didn’t go for it- spike the ball. On the comfort/beta side, I’d nuzzle into her neck and say stupid things like, ‘I want to live right here. Build a house. Change my address.’ Things can’t be violent and 50 shades of grey all the time, especially if you want her to be in your bed all the fucking time. The best comfort/beta sex move is gentle kisses. Seriously. I’m talking like whisper light. Imagine a 13 year old lesbian gently lapping at the lips of her first kiss. Another example of alpha/beta bedroom game- I don’t let her on top. I will spin her over if she’s on top for longer than 20 seconds. It’s a dom move. But after a few times, I tell her why. “Top is for the person who wants something. You only get to go on top when you want to tear my clothes off or ride me fucking hard.” No pussy shit limp fish when she’s on top. Let her dom a little bit when she’s up there- train her to be active. On the alpha side, she’s totally fucked. I take off her shirt, rip off the pillow case and tie her hands behind her back. I leave and get the biggest kitchen knife and tell her she’s getting shanked unless she wiggles out of her jeans. Then I slide the knife under her panty’s hip strap and tell her I’m going to murder her panties unless she puts my fucking cock in her mouth. It’s fun.

And yes, it’s totally worth it once you’re in the bedroom. When you’re getting her off and the face of a perfect beautiful gorgeous 10 opens her big beautiful blue eyes into yours, it’s the greatest feeling in the world. And she’s knows exactly what she’s doing.


  • YaReally
    on October 29, 2012 at 4:56 pm
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    Everything you wrote here is 100% legit. This is for the turbos who live in a world of validation (a world that’s even more over-the-top because of social media these days…her phone is blowing up with 50 invites to shit from guys and girls every Friday night lol). Handling a 7 (or a 10 who sees herself as a 7) the way a legit 10 needs to be handled will usually pretty much just destroy the 7 as a human being lol

    Tyler talks about landing 10s here at 28min in. He covers picking them up in the first place (social proof, outcome independance, self-amusement, building state, etc.), and fucking with their emotions to build attraction (making out with other girls in front of them, pushing them off you, walking away from them, etc.), teasing/negging/etc. them all the way to the bedroom and even during sex lol:

    Guys who don’t go out or just stay in the comfort zone of hitting on average girls won’t be able to relate to what he’s explaining here or what you’re describing. Just wanted to back what you wrote up. Great comment.


  • YaReally
    on October 29, 2012 at 5:18 pm
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    Relevant shit from Julien at 8:00. How the girls’ mood/emotions affect her flaking. And a funny-ass way to get them to pick up the phone and what to do about the infamous “who is this?” txt lol



walawala
on October 29, 2012 at 11:58 am
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Whatsapp is amazing. In the past girls wouldn’t give you their numbers.

Now from OK Cupid, after a few back and forths, I ask for or offer my whatsapp.

Immediately I get a text back. Then it’s game on.

Some girls just love to text….it’s like how when I was a kid I used to love getting post-cards—from anywhere. I collected them.

So it’s vital to know text game.

Text game is not longer a specialty, it IS mainstrea game, it’s a vital tool

if you can’t successfully text girls and get them to open up, you’re lost.

On the flaking. It makes short, non-sequitors vital.

A girl I had made plans with suddenly had to work or some crap.

Me: “gay”

Her: on a tangent why is this gay blah blah blah.

Some other great replies that work

“Oh.”

Also, before I go out, I usually text 2-3 girls and see who replies first.


  • YaReally
    on October 29, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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    “Text game is not longer a specialty, it IS mainstrea game, it’s a vital tool. if you can’t successfully text girls and get them to open up, you’re lost.”

    100% agreed. The social scene has changed…adapt or fall to the wayside. Even when I got into pickup, cell phones were still pretty shitty/basic and Facebook didn’t exist so having phone game was still important.

    But now literally, a lot of girls won’t even answer their phone unless you’re their actual legit boyfriend. It’s way more convenient to just wait for the txt. Hell, I do the same thing, I never answer my phone, I just make people txt me.

    I love the current system because my txt game is solid as fuck. I hated calling on the phone and having to leave voicemails and shit and take calls when I’m in the middle of shit or out with a girl etc. So this is awesomely convenient to me.

    The important thing is to get access to that cell number. Get her off OKCupid or whatever ASAP, don’t let her add you to Facebook till after you’ve fucked, etc. You want a direct line to her that other people don’t get. Social media allows girls to keep everyone at arm’s length and still get validation (before they’d have to actually invest time or cough up personal info or meet up in person to get it). You don’t want to be the “Person #25 Likes this status!” guy. You don’t give enough of a shit to check her photos and comment how pretty she looks etc. You have other shit to do. For the love of god don’t follow her Twitter.

    These days I use:

    “add me 2 Facebook!! <3 <3"
    "I don't use FB"
    "lol y not?"
    "Because I'm not a 12 year old girl."

    Some girls want to add you before they meet up, just to make sure you aren't married with kids lol


    • walawala
      on October 30, 2012 at 5:41 am
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      i don’t get why you guys dis Facebook. Dissing it makes you look old—at least in Asia.

      NOt having whatsapp makes you look old—in Asia.

      I put up all sorts of photos of me with other hot women.

      It gets girls asking questions: “Wow so any girls”…

      It’s a great qualifier. Because if they can accept this without question, it’s on.

      If they start raising questions…then they’re a problem.

      I finger banged a hot 8 i met on OK Cupid.

      Then she started asking lots of questions about “those girls”.

      Then she “flaked”….so whatever.

      But you can’t ignore Facebook, adapt, put cools shit up there.


      • YaReally
        on October 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm
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        Oh I agree, Facebook is great, especially if you’re single and don’t care about any drama on it. But the reason I warn against it is:

        “I put up all sorts of photos of me with other hot women.”

        Most newbies don’t have that going on. Their FB is depressing and empty and a complete DLV *AND* they end up at arm’s length from the girl in her Orbiter crowd. At least if your FB is shitty but she doesn’t see it, she can fill in details in her head about what kind of guy she thinks you are instead of seeing “Omg this guy is so cool and charming and charismatic, he’s like James Bond I wonder what he does for a living, maybe he’s an international spy or a dangerous–Oh, he’s an accountant. And likes American Idol. …and has 15 friends. …awesome.”

        But ya, if you go out and collect pics of yourself with hotties, it’s great. Also if you have large social circles you can invite everyone to stuff as a group VS one-on-one and work social circle girls easy once you’re out. Definite benefits to it.



Latent Sadist
on October 29, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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Very pleased with myself, that your thoughts match mine completely on this subject. Its been poked at here and there by commenters and other blogs, but this was like a big fat helping of what i love to hear.

Ive been writing about this literally, since the beggining of texting and myspace. Shrieking about it. watching it grow steadily worse, as peoples social skills decline, and we move deeper and deeper into this weird reality where we project fake images of ourselves, and live with jungle-like navigation of socializing through texts and wall posts.

Its fucking ravaging our culture and…women are the beneficiaries. Absolutely. It is like beating a dead horse when you play into the texting girls/chasing/building rapport strategy. You gotta bait them to chase you, its the only way.

The upside is that girls are very vulnerable to having the script flipped, as youve mentioned before. Its so uncommon, and they have zero experience dealing with it, so when they chase they chase HARD and with zero tact.

NEVER question whether a girl is playing hard-to-get, or just not interested. When they want your cock they’ll revert to idiotic, blatantly-obvious children. absolutely no different than those annoying girls who pestered you when you were 10. You will know.

I feel a sick revulsion when i see women staring down at their fucking phones, oblivious to everything. Literally feel violent. Hate it.

Great post.


  • Bogart
    on October 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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    spot on.

    I wonder about the PUA wisdom of endlessly trying to convince a girl to sleep with you via clever word play or situational strategizing. When a girl really wants to fuck you, she becomes the equivalent of a beta male, failing every shit test, totally oblivious. It’s these girls that you should focus on, because they will give you the best sex. Reluctant girls can fuck off with their orbiters.


    • Latent Sadist
      on October 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm
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      Agreed. I just flat out dont comply with weak or maybe girls who dont make time, or try to get you to chill with them and their “friends”. A ultra selfish high 7 …low 8 i banged (wouldnt mind a repeat) tried that shit yesterday when i hit her up. No dice from me, fuck that. Im at a point where i am incapable of entertaining girls if theyre not down to get penetrated.


      • YaReally
        on October 29, 2012 at 5:38 pm
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        What you both wrote is the mentality for staying in the 6-8 range of women. Which is totally fine if you just want frequent/consistent pussy and don’t care about getting hotter girls. No sarcasm there, I have a few buddies who just don’t care about pushing their skills, a lay is a lay to them and they’re happy as a clam and don’t give a fuck if anyone talks shit about the girls they get.

        The other downside to that mentality is that you don’t really have “choice”. You’re stuck with whichever girls make it easy for you to fuck them. Which again is totally fine (no sarcasm again) if you just like sex.

        Sadly these days a lot of 7s will act like 10s and flake and try to get you to Orbit them etc. because they’re fed so much validation from all angles by social media, so a lot of guys think “wtf are you serious?? You’re flaking on ME?? You should be happy I even bothered txting you wtf.” lol

        Anyway, ya, the whole “I tell the bitch to suck my cock or she can fuck off” thing doesn’t work on the hottest girls. They just don’t give a shit, there are 50 other guys validating them 24/7. And if you haven’t fucked her yet and can’t get her to meet up and say “fuck it” and ditch her, you can play it up like you’re a badass but the reality is: you’re not NEXT’ing her, that’s her NEXT’ing you.

        Once you make a massive dent in her insane reality/frame via extreme emotional drama (easiest way), displaying phenomenal amounts of value (more value than the guy with the ferrari, mansion, 6’4″ jacked up muscles who owns the bar, etc., so good luck with running that rat-race lol and even then she’ll usually put you in the Provider category), actually putting your P in her V and fucking her, etc, you can play that game because then she’s invested.

        But until you’re at that point, her response to your “shit or get off the pot” attitude will be “lol wutevs bye <3"

        For how to play off the emotional drama, check out Julien's "such a slut" example in the video I linked up above…watch more of Julien's videos for some seriously sociopathic sounding tactics he uses lol…again only for the turbo hot girls, not the 7s. He took the common "create some drama" PUA tactic and ran with it to some pretty fucked up extremes that the PUA community has never really explored. There's a lot ot learn in his videos, for handling 10s and flaky girls.


        • Dr. Zoidberg
          on October 29, 2012 at 7:31 pm
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          But why would you chase after such bruised fruit? There’s more to life than getting your dick wet, son. And there is more to women than looks. A drama free 8 brings me much more happiness than a drama filled 10 ever could.


          • YaReally
            on October 30, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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            “There’s more to life than getting your dick wet, son.”

            Thanks, pops!

            ” A drama free 8 brings me much more happiness than a drama filled 10 ever could.”

            Then keep doing your thing man. You’re a “Pleasure of Sex” man and some of us are “Thrill of the Hunt” men. Do whatever makes you happy:

            http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?2541-Thrill-of-the-Hunt-men-vs-Pleasure-of-Sex-men


          • YaReally
            on October 31, 2012 at 3:59 pm
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            ‘you begin to see how a hot, kinky 8 who is totally turned on by you and willing to bend over backward to please you, can be much more fun than a boring, vapid, self-absorbed 9 or 10 who just lays there.’

            Oh look, the thing where we pretend there aren’t 9s and 10s who are kinky, totally turned on by you, and willing to bend over backwards to please you. The same argument ugly girls put up when they get catty about girls who are hotter than them…”she must be ugly on the inside. I bet she has a bad personality. She’s probably dumb and ditzy, I’m smart and accomplished.”

            If you want to settle for less, that’s cool, but you don’t have to rationalize it by tearing down girls. You can just say “I don’t want to put in the effort or the wait to find a 9 or 10 who has all the non-physical attributes I want that this 6-8 in front of me right now has.”

            Long as you’re happy, it’s all good.


        • PIATTI
          on October 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm
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          ya really – what..? The only difference between dating a 7 and a 10 is what other people think.. which is socialist fem culture seep into your core – being an expert swimmer in a pool of shit .. still makes your world shit ..sorry


          • YaReally
            on October 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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            “Good because it forces you to raise your game to continue to get the good stuff; bad because the lesser girls just don’t turn you on as much, no matter how drama free they are.”

            lol ran into that last year. Had a string of epic chicks (both in looks and sexual chemistry) and I’m still dealing with the mental fallout of “fuck, why should I bother talking to this uggo, I’m way too awesome for her.” I started focusing on hitting more high-end places where the girls were higher quality and focused heavily on tightening my screening skills up. That’s why most of my conversations go sexual right away these days, I want to find out if the chick is going to be fun in bed for me or not ASAP.

            I don’t get laid as often as I did like way back when I first started and I was happy to fuck anything (and that was a fun time in general, don’t get me wrong lol most of my funniest stories/adventures come from back then), but the girls I get now are both better quality and I’m more inclined to keep them around for a while as a harem instead of pump ‘n dumping them because the sex is more satisfying.

            One of my regular wingmen is a Natural who loves sex and doesn’t care whether it’s with a 4 or a 9 (he gets both lol), as long as it’s a warm hole for the night he’s happy. So we actually have problems where he’ll be into a girl but she’ll have a blah friend and I can’t even fake being interested enough to jump on the grenade for him lol And he likes to hit the meat market bars because the environment is more sexual and he gets laid there easier than the high-end bars where you have to be able to play the social clique games. These days I would literally rather game some 8-10s but lose them at the end of the night and go home alone and grab some food and get a good night’s sleep, than chase a <7 around all night and get an unsatisfying lay.


    • Anonymous
      on October 29, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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      YaReally is spot-on.
      Being good at text is *not* about “endless…clever word play…trying to convince the girl to sleep with you.”
      Being good at text *is* continuing to simmer the attraction you built in-person (you did, didn’t you??).
      If you become yet another boring dude on text (“Hi, it’s Jim from last Friday. Do you want to get drinks next Saturday?”), you will not keep her interest.

      It is so f’ing important to send short, succinct text messages that hint at your value, your fun plans, your spontaneity, your sense of humor, and your preselection, that she will feel compelled to answer the text and continue the interaction.

      Like I mentioned up-above in comments, read Love Systems – Ultimate Guide to Text Game, Bobby Rio – Magnetic Messaging, and Decibel – Text Guide (local gamer), and soak up the psychology of how to keep the interest high.


      • YaReally
        on October 30, 2012 at 1:00 pm
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        “If you become yet another boring dude on text (“Hi, it’s Jim from last Friday. Do you want to get drinks next Saturday?”), you will not keep her interest.”

        Ya, a lot of my buddies who end up friend zoned and flaked on txt boring shit like that. “How was your night? :) ” It’s awful.

        Every txt should push things toward a sexual vibe or at LEAST put her through some kind of emotions, good, bad, doesn’t matter, just SOMETHING. Like my first txt to a girl will be “just cause you got my number doesn’t mean I’m sending you pics of my dick. perv.” even if our conversation had nothing to do with that at all. Their txt is usually along the lines of “lol oh no i was hoping” and now we have a sexual vibe to our flirting.

        “whatre you up to?”
        “spanking it to your facebook pics. but it’s taking forever because they aren’t slutty enough. why are you such a prude?”

        “what are we gonna do on our date?”
        “well I figured we’d get hammered till we’re drunk and obnoxious and the bouncers throw us out for having sex on the pool table. But coffee and getting to know eachother works too.”

        “add me to facebook”
        “can’t. if I do I’ll be too busy creeping your page with my pants down to actually hang out with you.”
        “lol ur crazy”
        “technically it’s a compliment.”

        “hmm i dont know if I should give you my #”
        “you probably shouldn’t. I’ll just end up leaving you drunk 3am voicemails crying “WHY DONT YOU LOVE ME???!”. That will be after I convince you to send me naked pics with my amazing charm and wit, of course.”

        “a party?”
        “ya, big Halloween party. You should come out. you’ll need a slutty costume.”
        “lol i don’t do slutty, i’m classy”
        “you won’t be when I’m done with you. Party starts at 9.”
        “lol ur terrible. i can’t, I already have a party”
        “yours will be gay and you’ll just end up txting me asking what I’m doing anyway, ditch it and come be drunk and obnoxious with me.”
        “haha maybe”
        “but no getting me drunk and taking advantage of me. I’m a virgin.”
        “lol ya rite maybe i’ll bring roofies!”
        “Troublemaker. I hate you”
        “lol no way u love me”
        “only if you show up tomorrow.”

        Even if she doesn’t show up, the tone of our relationship is set.

        Boring guys and guys who suck at txting make a girl feel a flatline of emotion ——– The trick is to get that shit spiking up and down /\/\/\/\/

        And push it towards getting naked pics ASAP.



immoralgables
on October 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm
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I just came here to say this. There is a certain line that I’ve used for when a girl flakes on me but this is not in the situations where I’m waiting at the bar and she stands me up. Nor is it for it’s 2-3 hours before or the same day of the meet-up and she cancels. In those situations I don’t respond or go with Walawala’s patented “Oh.”

Ok so here. Again, before I go further, I haven’t used this on the 9-10 turbo hotties but I do like to aim for 6-8s until I get some more balls and aim higher.

And another disclaimer, this text I use is not my own. I got it from somewhere else and it’s not a magic wand. Because usually if you have to use it then the situation is already lost but it has worked in salvaging a disinterested girl or two.

So, if I get a girl’s number on a Thurs,Fri,Sat night. I’ll say that we should go out for drinks this coming Wednesday. Yada ya, I’ll say that I’ll hit them up tuesday to firm up a place and time. Again, you get the basic idea. And again, this works for a certain range of girls I admit I haven’t gotten to a point where I’m having success with the legit hotties.

When I text on Tues and I don’t get a response for 2+ hours I know that I either didn’t built up enough comfort/rapport or the girl isn’t that attracted. Wednesday night meetups are good since in NYC, all girls have SO SO SO many “awesome” plans on a Friday or Sat night. So why compete. But anyway.

So if no reply to my “Hey xx, what are your plans tom night around 8pm. Let’s meet for drinks at yy.” type text, I’ll send this follow-up around 4 hours later or so. And again, at this point it’s like a hail mary and I dont get butt-hurt about her no response.

“Hey zz, never heard back from you so I went ahead and made other plans. I’ll make it up next time I’m free”.

I have gotten responses from girls who were “Sorry! Been so busy at work today!” or “Hey! Just got your text, sorry I was in the library all afternoon” within 15minutes after sending that text. The first time I got it I believed the girl. Every other time was a look of amused mastery I guess because you expect that kind of response.

Usually their response says that we will try another time. I may or not respond to them and will shoot a follow-up text sometime later in the week or the next.

No doubt if I worked on building more comfort or came across as higher-value then it wouldn’t have gotten to the hail mary text. I think if you’re using Ripp-style texting then it will reduce the flakes.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/how-not-to-frame-a-text-exchange-with-a-sexually-regretful-girl/#comment-335056


  • Anonymous
    on October 29, 2012 at 10:58 pm
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    Dude, you should not be going for logistics (the day, time, and place of meeting up again), until you build at least a little text rapport back-and-forth and make sure she’s locked into the convo.

    Again, see the sources mentioned elsewhere (Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone, Magnetic Messaging, decibel, etc).

    You should:

    1. re-initiate the text conversation with a funny non-sequitur opener text — (“it turns out that I’m 29% to 31% more incredible today :) How’s your day?” ; “am I the only one who finds perverse pleasure when assholes from high school get fat? (Thank you facebook!)”)

    2. once she responds, push a funny joke/connector that will be based on the content of her response. Could be cutesy, could be romantic, could be funny-cocky

    3. once she responds to that, push a particular date/time/place (“Ha my kind of girl. Q’s later for some pool and LA weirdo-watching”) or bait her into offering a time (“If we don’t meet up again soon, I’m filing the divorce papers!”)

    Mix and match anything fun you two spoke about during initial meetup (You did lay the conversational groundwork for callback/texting humor then, didn’t you??)


    • immoralgables
      on October 30, 2012 at 11:43 am
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      I agree with you 100%. The thing that fucked with my head is that my “less is more” texting style worked with a few girls so I stuck with that.

      I now see the value of branching out and honing my texting skills when it comes to this. I’ve fucked it up a few times already but thats part of the game.

      I’m saving your comment I get what you’re saying here and I think this is a major component of where I need to improve.

      Many thanks Anon and I’ll check the texting resources you mentioned.


      • YaReally
        on October 30, 2012 at 5:30 pm
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        Good advice here. Check that Julien RSD vid i linked above too. basically when she met you she was in a certain state. Then days later you txt with plans and its like who knows what state she’s in. Lazy, angry, hungover, busy with work, etc. So you want to stoke the fire up first and get her back in state THEN push for the meetup.

        The same thing works in a live sarge too:

        “Lets bail and go get food”
        “No I can’t! My friends are waiting”
        “Joke joke tease tease”
        “giggle giggle omg”
        “come on let’s go”
        “Okay!!! :) :)

        It’s basically “pumping her state” or “spiking her buying temperature”, you can probably find more writing on it if you need it but the concept is simple.

        The brief txts can work, but usually it’s because either 1) you built such epic rapport and value during the sarge that you’re like Brad Pitt to her or 2) by sheer fluke she happens to be in a good state and that’s just rolling the dice.

        I like your recovery txt a lot. It’s not as butthurt sounding as I expected from your warnings lol the part that ties it is the “I’ll make it up to you” like you just assume she’s disappointed that she missed out because you’re higher value and she would be retarded NOT to be bummed about it.

        But try what Annonymous was saying and you’ll probably find you don’t need to hail-mary as often.

        It’s still good to build rapport because if you just rely on this state pumping and don’t have solid high value to her, 6pm on Wednesday will come around and who knows what state she’ll be in…since her attraction is state-based without rapport, again you’re rolling the dice with whether she’ll show or not unless you can get her in state throughout the day of the meetup which is something I use when I know her attraction is shakey.

        One way I like to build rapport is to txt her right before noon with the random fun shit. She probably has a lunch break and will check her phone and txt you back. You can usually get a solid hour of txting back and forth in and just build familiarity in her mind.

        If she continues to txt past 1pm, odds are her job is boring and lax and she can txt all day long which means now you can get like 4 more hours of txting in till she goes home from work AND you know that you can txt her at work in the future and run the same play. Do that for a few days during the week and you’re in solid for rapport.

        This is part of why not having a job was convenient for me with pickup lol I’d have one or two of these loooooong in-depth convos going on at once with girls so id be txting all day long, all week long. I’ll get them horny at work and make them play with themselves in the bathroom and send pics of that and stuff, if her job is slack enough. So when I push for the meetup I can get away with saying “come over, dress sexy” and she knows she’s coming over to fuck and we’ve already discussed fetishes and what outfits I expect girls to wear and what her fantasies are (should I grab her and pin her against the wall by the neck violently at hello because she likes the fear of rape-play, or should I slowly seduce her with sensual touches and kisses and tease her with a back massage etc*) so I don’t get LMR or have to waste the night watching DVDs together or spending $ on dinner etc.

        Harder to do when you work a legit 9-5 where you have to actually produce results, like the rich go-getter CEO who has a Ferrari and a 6-pack but no time to do stuff like this during his workday. That shit doesn’t do him any good if she doesn’t show up for the date :P

        I haven’t actually consciously thought about this much but this is definitely a big part of why I haven’t had to go on an actual “date” in ages. I literally can’t even remember the last time I got LMR from a girl who shows up at my door lol

        *ya ya “oh that’s supplicating just fuck her how you want who cares what she wants”. How she wants to be fucked is how I want to fuck her. I like helping chicks live out their secret fantasy shit that other guys don’t do with her. It’s fun for me to blow her mind and it keeps her coming back and from fucking other guys because I’m the only one she can get her personal idea of mind-blowing sex from since other guys either don’t care what she wants or don’t know how to make her comfortable enough to open up. Like how many husbands were shocked at the sales of 50 Shades and went “wait what? She’s into THAT??”

        Also sometimes her fantasy is just normal romantic sex with candles and soft music and shit. It’s not always about the fucked up shit lol



markmallarde@gmail.com
on October 30, 2012 at 6:07 am
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When I go out with a chick and I’m into her just enough to consider going out again and I get some B.S. response like “call me next week” or “sure, just text me”… I so enjoy not calling them again. I savor it. Because for years I would give up control and make that call.

I just know now that any time a girl is not really interested, all she will do is waste my time and money.


  • YaReally
    on October 30, 2012 at 7:44 pm
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    Depending on the girl, every once in a while I’ll flip that on them and say “I’ll call you next week with the details” or whatever and then just not contact them. If they freak out, cool, they’re hooked and I just get them laughing and smooth it over and make actual plans.

    If they don’t contact me at all, I’ll keep txting them the usual flirting stuff but I’ll literally pretend nothing happened unless she brings it up and if she does I just brush it off (depending on the activity I’ll let her get the hint that another girl took her place). Like I won’t bitch her out or remind her she was rude or anything. I like it because it’s unreactive and lets her wonder why I didn’t bring it up. Don’t I like her? Wasn’t it an important life-altering even I was looking forward to? Did I find someone else to take her place? Did I forget myself and don’t even realize she flaked on me? etc etc

    I generally use this on the really hot social butterfly girls. Like where I know she’s going to have 10 invites to shit on a Friday night and there’s no WAY she’s gonna make it out to wherever I invite her to (I don’t really do dates anymore, I either invite them over to my place or to the bar I’ll be drinking at).

    Invite her to dinner when you know she’ll flake on you, then when you hook her again and make plans you can tell her she’s buying because she flaked on you and bam, you just saved $ AND scored a free dinner. Lol



Anonymous
on October 30, 2012 at 6:27 pm
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writers/readers of Chateau;
best way to get a girl to send nudes?
It seems difficult to do it without being cheesy/sounding desperate


  • YaReally
    on October 31, 2012 at 6:02 pm
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    It’s pretty specific to the girl because you have to feel out what exactly her specific Anti-Slut Defenses are. Some girls love showing off naked pics, some are super shy, some have to be horny to be convinced, some will only show pics of certain body parts, some will or won’t include their face, etc.

    It’s mostly a combination of:

    1) non-judgement (ie – don’t make her feel like a slut for it, act like it’s the most natural thing in the world for her to be sending sexy pics to you, a guy she’s attracted to)

    2) calibration (test the waters with some sexual talk, figure out how comfortable she is with her sexuality, figure out what mood she’s in, where she’s at, does she have them on her phone already or does she have to take them, does she get off on satisfying a specific request on what to wear/show/pose, does she want to be teased or called a dirty little slut who’s making you jack off when she sends them or does she want to be told she’s beautiful and distracting you at work with how hot she is, do you have to start at sexy clothed pics or can you jump right to her fucking herself with toys, etc.)

    3) sexual escalation (get her horny and attracted first. “show me your tits!” out of the blue at 10am when she’s at the office is probably going to get denied. But if it’s 10pm and she’s laying in bed txting you and you’ve steered the convo toward talking about tits in general, about fakes and push-up bras and weird pancake nipples etc for a bit so the topic feels normal and you’re clearly non-judgemental about sexual topics, she’ll be more receptive to “show me your tits!” From there you can keep escalating either in that convo if you feel the vibe (calibrate) and get her to get herself off to your txts, or you can escalate more in the next convos…

    But remember that you’re starting over from 0 each time, until you guys have fucked or you’ve seriously established a dominant/submissive frame where she does what you tell her to and gets off on that (a lot of girls love the thought that their pics are turning a guy on). Since most of the time you’re starting over from 0, you have to pump her state first and get sexual and get her in the mood…just cause she sent you a pic of her fingering herself the night before doesn’t mean you can just request it mid-day at work out of the blue and get it…but spend the morning txting her back and forth some sexy flirty shit and by noon you can drop in a “you know what’d be fucking hot? if you went into the bathroom, went into a stall, pulled out those sexy tits of yours, and sent me a pic”, then you’ll probably get it)

    Wasn’t expecting that to be so long lol Whatever you do don’t beg for pics and if she refuses, don’t push it, pump her state and try again later. It’s like disarming Last Minute Resistance in the bedroom during sex: two steps forward, one step back, rinse, repeat.



YaReally
on October 30, 2012 at 7:29 pm
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  • YaReally
    on October 31, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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    oops this was for the guy who wanted short guy game advice.



YaReally
on October 31, 2012 at 11:08 am
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Oh comments, if only you were approved by a moderator. Hang in there comments, someone will love and approve of you one day, when the discussion is over and no one is reading the article anymore.



Alpha Troll Of The Month

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Anon
on October 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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I’m calling for a truce with YaReally.

He’s been called out during the last couple of threads by a few commenters including me, but his input is too valuable, regardless of his peculiarities.

Witchhunts tend to discourage commenters (just like it happened with xsplat). YR is not expendable. We can’t risk having him leave this site.

Any criticism should be adressed politely, and it’s even better to say nothing at all.


  • YaReally
    on October 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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    o shit I slipped all over the jizz on the ground from you guys jacking eachother off lol

    I only insult the guys I know are full of shit. Being a crotchety old man doesn’t mean you know fuck all about picking up girls in today’s sexual marketplace. You can have 60 years of shitty worthless experience from spending 60 years doing the wrong thing, plenty of people have wasted their lives that way. If you have a wife who’s let her looks go and won’t bang you unless you bribe her, or you hired a prostitute from a 3rd world country and pay her to live with you, or you’re obsessed with nigger this and nigger that, you don’t have much to offer guys who actually want to improve their social/love-lives.

    Now if you just want to sit around bitching about how unfair the world is from the comfort of your armchairs with other guys who don’t go out, that’s cool, but maybe you shouldn’t be on a game blog lol

    It’s Halloween weekend. Any of you go out and chat up some hotties? Anyone? Bueller? I know there are guys here who did, and massive props to them for taking action, but I can also guess which of you probably didn’t lol

    But by all means, do continue to high-five eachother over how devestating your rants are to my psyche and circle-jerking over the mental image of me crying in a corner wondering why you don’t love me. It’s very entertaining to me. In the meantime I’ll continue to actually try to help guys out. Hearts & hugs to you all, try not to jizz on eachother’s shoes lol



Chicks Dig Serial Killers

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taterearl
on October 26, 2012 at 10:37 am
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You’ll get a lot farther as an interesting guy than the boring predictible guy.

My bread and butter lately (which I learned from this and other blogs)…is asking interesting questions to ladies. One of them lit up when she said she never had this type of question asked to her.

“You work in a (any common department store) and I come in. Instead of asking you where something is…I ask you to pick out three things for me. What do you choose?

I’ve had pretty good sucess with that as a starter question.


  • YaReally
    on October 26, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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    Good stuff. Try “sex shop” or “adult boutique” instead of “department store” for your next couple dozen sets.

    Seriously. :)



Generalizations

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YaReally
on October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
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Part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we accept generalizations, even though we understand there are outliers. But we accept that we can generalize other people’s behavior as well as our OWN, which is what separates us from the “everything’s a one-time anecdote!” type women.

If I do behavior X in Y circumstance, generally the other person is going to respond with Z reaction. Not 100% of the time, but enough of the time that it’s relevant. If it’s too hit/miss, then we break it down further and study it more until we have something that’s more consistent. Getting a phone number would seemingly randomly lead or not lead to a date…okay so let’s break that down further and go out and try a dozen different things on hundreds of women until we conclude: getting a phone number with X amount of comfort = a date, getting a phone number with less than X amount of comfort = no date. Now we have a principle that generally works.

But what sets us apart is that we can accept that in ourselves. “Guys who get one-itis behave in X way in Y circumstance, and it results in Z outcome.” “But you don’t understand, this girl is special!” “No, she’s not, you just think that because of A, B, and C.” “But…but you guys don’t get it, if you MET her…” “She could be an outlier, so could you, but it’s extremely unlikely. What’s more likely is that you’re behaving exactly like most other guys when they get one-itis and the outcome down the road if you continue doing what you’re doing is going to be Z.”

Some guys don’t listen, and then months later they show up again going “Guys I’m in situation Z, how do I fix it?” and we roll our eyes. But the good PUAs listen and go “okay, this goes against every instinct I have and my ego-protection wants me to tell you all to fuck off and come up with a million good excuses to justify not following the rules……but dammit, okay, I accept that I’m behaving in X and Y way and I’m going to end up with Z…so what can I do to avoid this?”

Women live in a world where none of them can ever do anything wrong, no matter how wrong what they’re doing is. They (and society) always have eachother’s backs and have plenty of shaming words and phrases and attitudes to avoid anyone pinning anything but unique snowflake princess status on each of them.

But the red pill is the truth. It opens your eyes to the world you always saw around you, but could never really truly SEE.

Part of what makes the red pill go down is that it’s almost a relief, it’s like your brain says “holy shit, this makes SO much sense. I can look back on every girl I’ve ever tried to give it a go with and this all clicks PERFECTLY and explains EVERYTHING…up till now I believed all the shit everyone else told me even though it didn’t seem to make sense, but FUCK, this is incredible, how did I not see this??”

The red pill is clarity.


Generalizations

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YaReally
on October 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
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@immoralgables

That’s why guys, even guys who’ve taken the red pill, cling to their madonna/whore complex and desperately hold onto the notion that there are “those slutty drunk whores that PUAs fuck” and “pure innocent good girls”. Because to admit otherwise would be fucking terrifying and collapse massive sections of their socially conditioned psyche and like themrs says it would “chip away at their soul” and that’s too depressing to wrap their head around:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/comment-of-the-week-sexual-self-control-is-a-male-thing/#comment-367897


The Value Of Makeup Is Declining

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YaReally
on October 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm
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Love girls who know how to do their makeup. Pretty sure most of you are gay lol


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 1:52 pm
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    I love girls with hairy legs and armpits and cooters. It’s so fake when they shave all that off, god, what liars! Give me the honest truth, what’s the point of dating a woman with smooth hairless legs when if she doesn’t shave them for a few days they’ll just grow hair!

    Bonus points if her nails aren’t done and she just wears baggy tunics and she smells like natural body odor. oh and dont try to fool me with your lingerie, ladies!!! Corsets, heels, push-up bras, pffft I’m too sharp to fall for THAT trickery!!

    lol this thread puts into perspective your guys’ rating systems for women. No wonder you’re all banging 10s when they look like this:

    http://heartiste.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/just_plain_tiffany_the_artist_by_womaninviolet1988.jpg?w=580&h=434

    I’ll stick to going after the disgusting 2s like this hideous beast:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JMQqjqyoxv0/T4Q1o0eFHPI/AAAAAAAAE18/f8-54Q64XsI/s1600/mila-kunis-2011.jpg


    • Greg Eliot
      on October 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MRlZC3RD20w/TstyhYBN4VI/AAAAAAAAAjo/BtEfypu1iDQ/s1600/Mila_Kunis_Without_Makeup_08.jpg

      Here’s your little doll baby Mila out of wardrobe, Casanova.

      loooollzzzzooolllllzzzzooooollll


      • YaReally
        on October 24, 2012 at 3:01 pm
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        Probably hotter than your wife WITH makeup lol


        • Greg Eliot
          on October 24, 2012 at 4:16 pm
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          Heh, heh… the only thing your type ever got from my wife was a disparaging glance, smoove.

          Let us know when Mila lets you put a ring on it. lll000zz0z0z0z0zllllzz000ll


          • YaReally
            on October 24, 2012 at 4:42 pm
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            “the only thing your type ever got from my wife was a disparaging glance, smoove”

            Cause I wasn’t holding free donuts?



Anon
on October 24, 2012 at 1:37 pm
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  • Greg Eliot
    on October 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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    Wearing makeup — but not gobs of Gaga-conspicuous makeup — apparently can help. It increases people’s perceptions of a woman’s likability, her competence and (provided she does not overdo it) her trustworthiness, according to a new study, which also confirmed what is obvious: that cosmetics boost a woman’s attractiveness.

    There’s a goodly amount of Captain Obvious working here…

    The fly-in-the-pie, however, is how many women exhibit the true skill of “not overdoing it”?

    And so-called ‘competence’ in the workplace is, well… meh. Much of women’s alleged competence is a dog-and-pony show anyway, so it’s natural that they would partake in a bit of the extra-natural to enhance the performance.

    In occupations that truly matter in re specialized hard skills (nursing, engineering, etc.), actual competence trumps first appearances.

    HR and middle-management drones and the like, pretty obvious that form trumps substance.

    Funny, no woman is going to argue this article of the NYTimes… but let the paper print something about how fat women are viewed as less competent and the harpies will be shrieking.


    • YaReally
      on October 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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      “The fly-in-the-pie, however, is how many women exhibit the true skill of “not overdoing it”?”

      Many, many women…if you don’t live in a shitty podunk town and hang in social circles of ugly homemakers and plain Janes and go to bars where there’s only 2 hot girls and they’d be 5s in Vegas, that is. Try leaving your keyboard jockey imagination and actually going to a high-end nightclub in a large well-off city sometime…although that would require leaving your house.


      • Greg Eliot
        on October 24, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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        Again with the keyboard jockey bushwa? You’re just a one-trick pony, aren’t you, slick?

        I’ve spent more time in gilt-and-flash NYC circles than you’ve been walking the earth, kid… so can the snark, it doesn’t make you look any better.


        • YaReally
          on October 24, 2012 at 4:46 pm
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          I imagine the glit-and-flash NYC circles were quite a bit different in the 1950s. But do continue to talk about modern women and modern game. 23 skidoo!



Harry Morgan
on October 24, 2012 at 1:46 pm
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This is an interesting post, but the commentary is fascinating. Occasionally the Chateau’s posts ring a particular note and a certain streak of the commentariat comes out. This one seems to have brought out the (I suspect not insignificant) strain of “souther/flyover state” readership…

Not an insult fellahs, but you guys have a noticeably different sensability than us city slickers. It must be that whole PUA/MRA cross-over dynamic. Or, the “the Spearhead links here” effect.


  • Greg Eliot
    on October 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm
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    Stereotype much?

    I myself was born and raised in NYC and still live close enough to catch a few Yankee games and Met operas.


    • Harry Morgan
      on October 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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      And I live in the heart of downtown in one of the largest cities in the country about 6 blocks away from one of the most prominent fashion schools out there, and thus am neck deep in 19-27 year-old models and fashionistas. They like some makeup, and look sexy in it.

      So no, I don’t think it’s an unfair stereotype to say that the typically-older commentariat that live in (comparitively) less metropolitan areas have a different perspective that comes across in the comments.

      I’m also not trying to wife-up and pump a passel of rugrats into Betsy-Sue Virgin Until Married. But a chunk of the commenters on this site are. It comes accross.


      • YaReally
        on October 24, 2012 at 4:48 pm
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        lol I heart you and concur.


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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    I imagine a lot of the “I like them thar gurls all natcheral” MRA crew are old guys who wear dad jeans, wal-mart shirts and budweiser ball caps lol


    • Anonymous
      on October 24, 2012 at 5:44 pm
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      Damn Ya. You’re usually so chill. Stop trading insults and go back to writing 5+ paragraph essays on game that make me actually want to read this comments section.


      • YaReally
        on October 24, 2012 at 7:15 pm
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        What’s the point when they either get lost in a sea of racist shit and chicks giving shitty hamster advice, or they get held for moderation till the thread is dead?

        lol just kidding. I have a shitload of downtime at work this week and this topic is silly is all.

        Though I did find the “we see them looking ugly sooner” point interesting.



GeishaKate
on October 24, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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The point of makeup is to look like you aren’t wearing any. No cake for me, thanks. I prefer Estee Lauder. In my old age, its become more about taking care of my skin and health, and then one just looks better anyway.


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm
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    I don’t know what you look like but that’s exactly what every plain Jane average 4-6 woman says.

    This guy didnt build an empire off “healthy” skin that “looks better”:

    http://www.dailynugget.com/uploads/hef_with_playmates.jpg

    If I had a daughter, when she was old enough to get into makeup I’d take her to a MAC counter and get her a makeover and get the chicks to teach her how to do her makeup and what looks good on her. Generally when a girl has shitty makeup it’s because she just “wung it” learning how to do it or her mom taught her or at 25 she’s still using the same shit she used when she was 14 and borrowed her mom’s lipstick.

    All it’d take is half an hour with a pro and boom, the world is at her feet for the majority of her life.

    I think a lot of women don’t go because they’re embarrassed to admit they don’t know what they’re doing and have someone examine them closely and see their flaws…but the chicks working makeup counters are there FOR that service. I understand though, when I was shy and first learning that wearing wal-mart sneakers and having the same haircut I had in junior high wasn’t cool, I was embarrassed to go clothes shopping and ask for help too…but it was worth it in the long run.


    • King A (Matthew King)
      on October 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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      I understand though, when I was shy and first learning that wearing wal-mart sneakers and having the same haircut I had in junior high wasn’t cool, I was embarrassed to go clothes shopping and ask for help too…

      You reveal yourself. Not all of us had your awkward, late journey into semi-enlightenment, which explains why you cannot hold a basic conversation with anyone who disagrees with you. Once you encounter a contrary opinion, your only option is to announce some hidden motivation or flaw in the dissenter’s character.

      If you think this is “alpha” in any sense, you are retarded. Even worse, you are a retard who mimics alpha partially, scores his progress by only one standard (female attention), and has no idea how transparent he is. It’s a shame. A dose of humility and self-awareness would make you into the man you merely think you are.

      There is no reason to pick fights with GeishaKate or Greg Eliot other than because you think you have to prove something. They have different experiences, statuses, and goals. It is plain to most clear-minded people that Hugh Hefner is a goat who uses Viagra to pretend his shriveled, octogenarian cock and kick-started “libido” are still teenaged and virile. The women who surround him are the Playboy fantasy made animate: a fakery- (“I don’t fuck sporting goods” PA +1 below) and-airbrushing mentality going back half-a-century. That idea of women only obtains until a boy meets a woman intimately. When I was a kid peeking at dad’s Playboys, I thought playmates stretched out on rugs under studio lights was an ideal, too.

      Women are more than background furniture on a soft-focus porn set with YaReally directing, and it doesn’t make anyone beta to acknowledge that truth. In fact, dealing with four-dimensional women is not a problem for alphas. It comes naturally. But your artificial journey from the outside to an artificial pose on the inside never passed through that possibility.

      Your Philosophy of Formulas works for beginners until they establish their stride. Your reliance on inventions and invective to explain the world tells us all we need to know about where you are on your progress to full manhood: a cul-de-sac. And your overexcited description of the view from a dead-end bores those of us who have moved on to bigger and better.

      Matt


      • YaReally
        on October 25, 2012 at 1:43 pm
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        “Women are more than background furniture on a soft-focus porn set with YaReally directing”

        Oh, you’ve seen my work? Don’t worry, your mom’s royalty cheque is in the mail.

        OHHHHHHHH BURRRRRN. lol



corvinus
on October 24, 2012 at 4:57 pm
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Jenna Marbles’ rather bitchy rebuttal of Yuksel Aytag shows a great example of this at 4:20


  • YaReally
    on October 25, 2012 at 8:14 am
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    fucking lol’ed at the explosion at 4:44



Everley
on October 24, 2012 at 4:58 pm
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No, the purpose isn’t to “enhance our attractiveness.” That’s a misunderstanding that many men have, but it isn’t actually the reason why I, or many other women, wear makeup.

[heartiste: it may not be the reason you *tell* yourself, but you can be damn sure it's the real subconsciously guided reason you wear makeup.]

We wear makeup because it’s just good grooming. It makes you look a little tidier, a little more pulled-together. It makes you look like you made a little bit of effort. I wear makeup for the same reason I take showers, shave my legs, comb my hair and wear deodorant. I wear makeup for the same reasons you comb your hair, wear cologne, and shower before a date.

You guys think we wear makeup just to impress you, but we don’t!

[ultimately, you do. just like men don't consciously scale the heights of power to turn on women, but ultimately they do.]



Ovid
on October 24, 2012 at 6:10 pm
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OT,

Tried a little day game today. Approached a 7 dressed to kill. I’ve seen hr before in my daily rounds. Has given me the eye. Complimented her and asked for her#. She smiled (teeth showing) and thanked me for the comp but then became defensive and slightly bitchy about the #. Said she didn’t know me etc. Wouldn’t even give me her email. Asked for my # and sarcastically asked if I had a c-phone. Gave her my email instead.

Thoughts, critiques, observations from the experts, most welcome.


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 7:29 pm
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    Build comfort/rapport. Get her to qualify herself to you, so she thinks there’s a reason you want her number that isn’t just “you’re hot and I want to throat-fuck you”.

    Google for info on qualifying girls, and probably Google some Juggler method for comfort/rapport.


    • YaReally
      on October 24, 2012 at 7:36 pm
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      An example:

      “You’re gorgeous.”
      “Thanks!”
      “Give me your number so we can hang out.”
      = no number and her on the defensive, you know NOTHING about her except that she’s hot so you must only want the # for sex and so for her to give you her # she’s basically be admitting she wants sex, which triggers her Anti-Slut Defense, thus she has to reject you.

      “You’re gorgeous.”
      “Thanks!”
      “But beauty is common. What else do you have going for you? Can you cook?”
      “Oh I love cooking!”
      “Ahhh good, I was worried you’d be just another pretty face. I love a woman who knows her way around the kitchen, it’s so rare these days. Give me your number and you can show me your cooking skills this weekend.”
      = number because now you like her for something other than her looks and it’s okay to meet up again because you’re not just looking for sex.

      Oldschool Mystery Method stuff. Good luck!


      • Ovid
        on October 25, 2012 at 11:28 am
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        Ya,

        Great advice. I just remembered that I tried this once before and I got the number. I was shaking like a leaf, as it was my first time. This time I was cool but didn’t get the digits. Go figure.

        I’m going to ignore her if I see her again. Or maybe just wink from a distance without engaging with her. And if on the off-chance she contacts me I’m going to give her confirmation of my initial unambiguous sexual interest, together with my subsequent loss of interest because of her attitude. Without any bitterness, of course.

        Something like; Hey, I really wanted to rub my hands all over that wonderfully curvaceous body of yours, but frankly your attitude turned me off completely. Don’t feel bad, these things happen. No hard feelings, I hope.


        • YaReally
          on October 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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          Ignore the stuff people are saying about not complimenting her (no offense to you guys). That was fine, it just put you in a different situation to deal with than an indirect approach, but it’s not a problem. Comfort was the problem, this is a standard case.

          There’s actually a plateau intermediate PUAs run into where they learn how easy it is to get phone numbers, so they run out and they’re tearing down 10+ phone numbers a night thinking they’re badasses and all their friends are like “dude you’re such a pimp, wow!”

          Then 8/10 of those numbers don’t even answer and the other two flake lol and they’re like “wtf!! bitches!!!” lol That’s when they learn why comfort/rapport-building is important. :)

          (you CAN get quick solid numbers in certain situations with certain techniques, but that’s like a whole YaReally length article and not relevant right now)

          So let’s approach this logically:

          “I’m going to ignore her if I see her again.”

          Your problem is not enough comfort/rapport. Will this build comfort/rapport? No.

          “Or maybe just wink from a distance without engaging with her.”

          Will this build comfort/rapport? It would build extremely SLIGHT rapport, but not nearly enough to be significant or change the outcome.

          “And if on the off-chance she contacts me”

          She won’t. To contact you, since she thinks all you want is sex, would be to admit she wants sex. She might if she’s horny and drunk on the weekend and it’s tripping up her ASD that should be kicking in and keeping her from doing it, but that’s a hail-mary hope in hell.

          On top of it, you showed her you have no standards and are desperate because you wanted her number, then were willing to settle for her E-Mail…Facebook? MSN? ICQ? Friendster? Pleeeeasee?????

          If she won’t give the number, you keep gaming her until she gives the number. If you can’t turn it around, you keep trying and plowing till you burn it to the ground, and then analyze where you went wrong and try again on the next one. This is why we encourage guys not to shit where they eat…burning it to the groud with a stranger isn’t a big deal and you can focus on learning from it, burning it to the groud with a co-worker or fellow student in your class means awkward reprocussions.

          “I’m going to give her confirmation of my initial unambiguous sexual interest”

          Good. Be congruent. Backtracking would make her not trust you. You being congruent builds comfort because she can trust that you are who you appear to be. Like the Joker says “Nobody panics when everything goes according to plan, even if the plan is terrifying.”

          “together with my subsequent loss of interest because of her attitude. Without any bitterness, of course.”

          She did nothing wrong, you fucked this up entirely. Own your mistakes, don’t project the blame externally. She simply acted in the way you caused her to act with your sloppy game. This isn’t a judgement call on you as a person, it’s just a logical rational “2 + 3 does not equal 4.” Don’t harbor resentment toward her, she doesn’t deserve it.

          “Something like; Hey, I really wanted to rub my hands all over that wonderfully curvaceous body of yours, but frankly your attitude turned me off completely. Don’t feel bad, these things happen. No hard feelings, I hope.”

          Terrible. This is your ego being butt-hurt and lashing out at her, trying to save your pride. It’s shitty reactive insecure externally-validation-seeking bullshit. On top of it, she did nothing wrong except react to your shitty game, so she doesn’t deserve to be insulted. Don’t do this.

          You can’t NEXT a girl you haven’t fucked. That’s her NEXT’ing you. If you legit aren’t into her, that’s cool, but in this case from what you’ve written you would bang her, you’re just butt-hurt right now and don’t know how to fix the situation.

          Now that we’ve shit all over that, let’s bring things back to the important question: How can you build comfort/rapport with her, and get her to qualify herself to you so that you can react to that qualifying the way I described before, and go for the number again, but this time with more reasoning behind it than “I want to fuck you, butterface” thus resulting in getting the number?

          I can give you a solid solution, but you try coming up with something first.

          Here’s some reading material:

          http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/wayne-elise-pacing-and-conversational-context/

          http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/a-little-pain-warms-the-female-heart/#comment-356216

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/50510219/Dimitri-MyJugglerMethod-compact

          Without relying on her contacting you again, how do you think you can build comfort/rapport with her and then go for the phone number again?



Anonymous
on October 25, 2012 at 3:34 am
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YaReally is a fiend at picking up LA and Vegas coke whores. Aspire to be like her or else you are a loser. YaReally OWNS your frame. She OWNS it. Don’t try for a second to deviate from her script, cuz you don’t know shit about the classy babes in LA or Vegas. Only YaReally’s girls matter. Forget about your upbringing or morals or values. Only YaReally knows. She is LOL. You should aspire to be like YaReally, cuz she hits the bitches that are 9-18. If you aren’t YaReally you don’t deserve to live, cuz your life experience means nothing. Subscribe to YaReally or die. SHE IS THE MAN. If you don’t desire a coke whore then you are NOT a man. Only bar skank coke whores matter. If you want a good woman then you ARE A LOSER. Coke whores ftw.

YaReally, do you think that we would hang out with you, that we would be seen with you? Seriously?

You have a lot to offer, but it’s misdirected, little girl.

To the extent that you feel justified in preaching to men, WISE UP.

Come back with your wise-ass comments. Come back son, let’s talk. Urban girl.


  • YaReally
    on October 25, 2012 at 4:40 am
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    lol


  • Greg Eliot
    on October 25, 2012 at 11:46 am
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    Somehow I just know I’m going to take the heat for this… sigh.

    Hope the regulars here realize it’s not my style.


    • YaReally
      on October 25, 2012 at 12:26 pm
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      Nah, this one’s an amateur. Besides, he didn’t reference movies from the 1940s or make any puns. No way that’s a Greg post lol



Anonymous
on October 25, 2012 at 4:12 am
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YaReally,

I wanted to be your fan. I’ve wanted to support you, but you’ve gone too far. I’m calling you out. Impose your frame on me, pussy. Here’s the thing: I like you. I think you provide a valuable service with your commentary. But when you dog others who aren’t exactly situated as you, you diminish yourself.

So let’s discuss who’s fucked genuine ten’s. Not you, for sure. If you are in fact fucking coked up LA whores for your jollies, good for you, but those skanks are not 10s; they are whores. Coked up LA whores performing porn to pay the rent are a far cry from what the readers of Chateau seek.

You are such a huge fan of PUA, why don’t you just stay in that niche? You aren’t need on CH. You are an outlier here… relevant on some level, but not really that relevant. Men here seek relationships with bona fide women (not LA or Vegas whores). It’s understandable that you wouldn’t get that, but many men do. Some of us still live in the country, know how to skin a buck and run trot lines. Preach your shit where it’s welcome… LA fag boy.

Or, if you want to really be genuine, spend some time with us. If you come to hate us, at least you would then be justified. If not, you will have to express your masculinity with a little more nuance. Pussy fuck.

Or, better yet, let’s meet in person, so that you can AMOG me with your unshakable frame…in person… to my face… pussy.

Either backtrack or mush for the Chateau to observe, pussy little girl.


  • Spiralina
    on October 25, 2012 at 4:43 am
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    I’m actually scared for YaReally after this outburst of stalkeriffic obsession.


    • YaReally
      on October 25, 2012 at 1:40 pm
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      I should warn you that I won’t hesitate to push women and children at him while I escape when he comes for me. He who screams and runs away lives to scream another day!


  • Nicole
    on October 25, 2012 at 6:01 am
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    Okay, although Yareally and I have our differences of opinion, I see comments like this and my hypocrisy meter starts to ping.

    No man, and I do mean NO man who hasn’t had a certain type of life experience truly does not want the coke whores. If nothing else, they trigger your hunting instincts, if not your protective ones.

    I have been blessed with many wonderful male friends, not orbiters, but actual talking off a ledge, have your back friends. They are good men, and prefer a decent woman regardless of looks within reason, to have a relationship with. However, to a man, if they haven’t already been through a few hot harpies or facing their mortality regularly, they all get a boner for bimbos. Even some of the danger dudes get the boner, but class that type of chick as a whore or a one nighter. For the most part, they still hit those.

    …and well they should. A woman who’s displaying hoe signals should be treated accordingly. There is nothing unnatural or even morally wrong or uncivil about this, so long as one is treating them with basic human respect. This is the role they chose to play in life, so play yours.

    So your eye is different. Good for you. I personally am thankful that there are men in the world who make room for girls who are pretty but not the prettiest, and who are not whores. Two guys like this put a ring on it in my lifetime. I am grateful. However, if you use porn, you are wanking mostly to coke whores. So you can’t well look down on a guy who goes out and gets that in three dimensions instead of two.


    • YaReally
      on October 25, 2012 at 8:02 am
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      Guys who think that all hot girls at the club are coke-whores and drunk sluts and blah blah blah are guys who’ve never actually spent time around those girls. Hell, the hottest girls highest-value girls in the club generally don’t even get hammered, because they don’t want to embarrass themselves and fuck their reputation up since they know everyone is watching them. That’s also why you score bonus points with them for being able to approach sober.

      But hey, it’s much easier to demonize these girls and paint them with the coke-whore brush than to admit that you would never have a shot with them. Like the butt-hurt guy saying “fuckin’ lesbians” when he gets shot down. It’s just ego-protection in action. And it’s not like enough guys around here approach those girls to back me up on this…this is the perfect echo chamber of jockeys re-enforcing eachother’s inexperienced beliefs lol

      (note: there are some guys around here who DO go out, it’s obvious from their writing, and props to you guys for doing so, I have mad respect for you…oddly enough these guys generally aren’t the ones getting involved in retarded racial slurring matches and other nonsense, weird hey?)


  • immoralgables
    on October 25, 2012 at 8:22 am
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    Your butt-hurt is showing bro.

    Now go back to your fat old cow of a Midwestern wife, Greg Elliot


    • Greg Eliot
      on October 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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      Here’s the thing: I like you. I think you provide a valuable service with your commentary.

      Here’s the tell that it wasn’t me.


      • YaReally
        on October 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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        lol’ed.



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on October 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm
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“OT: CNN retracts unpleasant truth to appease hamsters.”

Yep: CNN Scrubs Article About Female Voting Patterns Womens Hormones May Influence Voting Choices.


  • YaReally
    on October 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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    And then women and anti-gamers wonder why PUAs can’t provide scientific studies backing up half the shit we know about how women and attraction works. How popular would the guy who publishes the study “90% of married women will suck cock in the bathroom of a bar” be? lol



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corvinus
on October 23, 2012 at 6:17 pm
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Emiler #4 definitely came across as a butthurt bitterbeta. “Wait just a goddamn minute” and tap her on the head? Seriously? To Emailers #3, #4, and #6: the only way to get a woman is to convincingly behave as if you don’t really want her, or couldn’t care less, but at the same time, you are a fun guy that she enjoys talking to and spending time with. It’s very tricky. You want them to initiate, especially if they have a boyfriend in the background. And let’s face it, any hot girl (at least, that you want) has a boyfriend, at least in the background. One great way to inure yourself is to go out and meet lots of 8s, 9s, and (if possible) 10s. FTOW for those without game.

I have been trying to get this right all my adult life, but not long after I started reading this blog, I got a short-term relationship. The strange thing was, she was definitely being the aggressor, but she thought I was. Says it all. It ended (Emailer #2, are you reading this?) when I flirted with a few considerably hotter girls at a party; she was only a 6, so it was easy. She got sad and withdrew after that. From reading between the lines, aided by CH, it turned out that she was thinking of me as a beta bitch to marry, after leaving her alpha asshole boyfriend. She went back to the ex soon afterwards.

But the experience, along with reading CH, taught me a huge amount about how women think and why they go after the men they do. Last week I got the number of a bona-fide near-10 who dropped the class we were both in by keeping all this in mind. All I had done with her was idly chat with her a few times after class by walking with her a couple of blocks (because we happened to both be going that way), and keep a dominant alpha presence in class. She even gave it to me without my asking for it directly. After all, getting her to think “He seems really cool, and this class sucks, but I might want to hook up with him later, so I’ll give him my number” is a much better indicator of a potential future hookup than the behavior the girls in these emails are showing.


  • Spiralina
    on October 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm
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    “I told her to “wait just a goddamn minute” and stomped out my cigarette and followed the group inside. I tapped her on the head from behind but she ignored me.”

    This just hurt to read. He still hasn’t gotten over his loser status in high school. The only difference now is he has enough rudimentary game to chat briefly to the homecoming queen before she’s sated with attention and decides to let him down nicely. And then when another hot girl opens him, he uses the opportunity to…bitch about the homecoming queen? He needs to work on his inner game and self-confidence, because that’s just painful.


    • Anon
      on October 23, 2012 at 6:58 pm
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      “He needs to work on his inner game and self-confidence”

      What do you know about that? Bitch!
      You have a vagina, get the fuck outta here.


      • YaReally
        on October 24, 2012 at 12:04 am
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        She’s right.



vague
on October 23, 2012 at 9:21 pm
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If a chick asks you if you’ve met any chicks lately and you tell her that you have (because you have), how is that not a beneficial thing for you? Is that not demonstrating pre-selection? I’d only imagine the shiv striking the soft underbelly if his response was “no”

(re: email #6, end of second para)


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 12:22 am
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    I like to answer “Just crazy bitches lol” That way she knows that 1) I’ve met other girls, 2) I have some standards, 3) if I’m hanging with her either I think she’s a crazy bitch too or I think she’s better than them, and 4) everyone knows crazy = hot so they must be decent looking chicks.



Coffey
on October 23, 2012 at 11:15 pm
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Help me out. Hooked up with this girl at a party (she was really into it). We go to school together and she hasn’t looked at me or said a word to me since. whats up with that


  • YaReally
    on October 24, 2012 at 12:19 am
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    You didn’t make sure she doesn’t feel like a slut for what happened. She has Buyer’s Remorse:

    http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/buyers-remorse/

    Need a more detailed Field Report to determine exactly where you fucked up and narrow down how you can recover, but this is the explanation for her behavior.



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YaReally
on October 22nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
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I think Tyler Durden, while still awkward at times, is a good case of someone who 180′ed their life/outlook/etc in a positive way from AFC to PUA. Mystery is still kind of out there in his own world but Tyler for the most part these days is a pretty chill upbeat guy with a healthy view of life overall compared to where he started out which was as a prime candidate to end Sordini/Holmes style:

It’s a tough road though, a lot of guys don’t make it through to the other side and get stuck in weird PUA limbo. Overhauling your life inside and out is tougher than the marketing makes it sound. Fortunately, even just getting into the basics of “go out and socialize more” helps guys to veer off a destructive sort of path. I know a few guys who I wish would come out and chat girls up with me because I can totally see them offing themselves down the road and that would be tragic because to me it’s totally preventable.

I think an important thing the Manosphere brings to the table is the heavy focus on exactly why marriage is broken and completely a raw deal for men. PUAs have covered long term relationships and a bit on marriage but for the most part our focus is more “how do you keep her attracted in a marriage” and not “here’s the way the courts will help her rape you in the ass if she stops being attracted”.

To me it’s important because one-itis is bad, sure, PUAs have stressed that since day one…but getting your heart broken over one-itis only fucks your heart up and over time as you meet other women, that pain dulls.

But marriage and the law in general, man, that shit can fuck a guy UP. Being sad that your GF cheated isn’t going to drive you to suicide or a killing spree as badly as being sad that your wife of 10 years cheated, and is divorcing you, and taking half your money/assets, and you now have to pay alimony and child support for kids she prevents you from seeing while she rides the cock carousel and finds herself a millionaire and you take 2 jobs just to avoid going to jail because you can’t pay what the law demands you pay, and on top of all that everyone shits on you for not being man enough to keep your woman happy and feminists all cheer her on grrrl power style, and that’s all if she doesn’t get mad or turn out to be crazy in general and make up claims of abuse/rape and destroy your name for the rest of your life.

…THAT is a recipe for suicide and shooting people, shit.

So ya, I’m glad you guys cover that stuff more in-depth than us PUAs do. I’ve learned a lot about marriage and the law in general through the Manosphere. Now if I could just figure out how to convince my buddy not to get married…it’s too bad the only alternative in most people’s mind to getting married is “you’re going to be that 45yo creeper at the bar and die alone and miserable”. He really shouldn’t be getting married but “that’s just what you DO”. It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion.


YaReally
on October 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
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@immoralgables

Oh ya, I don’t even try. Every guy thinks “oh sure, that sounds bad, but that won’t happen to ME. That’s OTHER people, THOSE girls were just whores or crazy, MY girl is special. You wouldn’t understand, you just pick up drunk low self-esteem bar sluts, you don’t know what love really is.”

On top of that, even if he knows it’s not a great idea, most people in general have no experience standing up to social pressure and everyone has a scarcity mentality with the belief in “The One”…they cave and try to make nice so that nobody is offended or displeased with them, because that’s what we’re taught to do to keep society in order. So even if he starts thinking “hmm maybe you’re right…”, his girl will pressure him, his friends will, his family will, her family will, she’ll give him an ultimatum eventually, etc. etc. ESPECIALLY if they had a kid together, god, then they’d HAVE to get married, for the good of their kid you see…

Most normal guys aren’t going to be able to ignore all that social pressure. With my girl, I have an open relationship, and some of her friends hate me and even some of my friends don’t approve or think I’m being an asshole etc. But as a PUA I’m used to ignoring social pressure and I don’t have a scarcity mentality, so it doesn’t phase me.

It’s frustrating to watch him head down that path though, I’ll have to give a Best Man speech at his wedding one day and it’s like how the fuck do I do THAT?

@Team-Red

Agreed. Rogan is fucking awesome.


YaReally
on October 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
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@Underdog: yep. You got it. The Manosphere cavemen just lit fire for the first time. ;)

A LOT of game concepts (frame control, passing shit-tests, being unreactive, peacocking, qualifying the girl, busting on her, leading the interaction, escalating, etc) stem from that idea, that an alpha is a man who follows his own path and doesn’t allow anything to deter him. Naturals will fuck 5s because they don’t care that you don’t think she’s hot. A PUA will avoid monogamy and frame an open relationship because he doesn’t care if society doesn’t approve of it. Hell, a man can be monogamous and get married and still be alpha IF those are things he ACTUALLY wants.

The problem is most men these days don’t know what they want, so they just ping-pong off their environment like a pinball machine, reacting to everything and bein wishy-washy. They get married “because…umm I dunno…(shrug)”. A man who said “I’m marrying this woman because Such and Such and if you have a problem with it you can suck my nuts.” is alpha. He knows what he wants, what his code is, what his values are, and he doesn’t stray from them.

In dating women, men who’ve only been with one or two girls barely know what they really want in a partner. Once you’ve been with a bunch of them you start to see “alright this is what I like in a woman, and this is what I don’t like.” and you can screen for more suitable women than the AFC who’s marrying his high school GF just because everyone tells him to.

An alpha is simply a man who truly knows what he wants, and is unapologetic about trying to achieve it. One of the early PUA affirmations involved the line “I make no apologies for my desires as a man.” That’s an alpha, it has nothing to do with height, muscles, money, whether you wash the dishes or not, etc. it alllll comes back to “is the action you’re performing right now an action that you WANT to do or are you unsure of what you want, unable to make a decision to take action, or looking to others to tell you what you should want?” This is why, when you’re advanced, you can buy a girl a drink or compliment her…it’s coming from a different place than when you were an AFC.

Welcome to having fire, knew you guys would get here eventually lol


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YaReally
on October 23rd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
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Love =/= one-itis just as drinking =/= alcoholism.

Loving a girl is fine, I’ve loved the shit out of a handful of girls over the years. Needing her to complete you as a human being to the point where the functioning of your life is dependent upon her being a part of it, is where the one-itis is.


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YaReally
on October 25th, 2012 at 5:11 am
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Props to our soldiers for the job they do, I would never want to do it myself. But with regards to helping women cheat (ie – being the other man), here my logical but controversial view on and part of why I don’t have qualms about doing it:

If her dude has been gone for a few months and he’s going to be gone for a few more months, and she stays home, cool. But if she gets all done up and comes out to the bar, she’s looking to cheat.

She might pretend she isn’t, she might not even realize she is, but her subconscious is arranging “girl’s night out”s on purpose…whether its because she’s secretly worried he won’t come back and she needs to line someone else up, whether they got hitched too young and she’s secretly resented that and her brain has realized this is a good time to explore it, whether she’s just horny as fuck and needs a bang to clear her head, whether she’s just super stressed about her situation, whether she wasn’t really THAT into him but he left before she could break it off with him, etc.

So if she’s going to cheat regardless, I’m a good guy for her to cheat with. I’m not going to be clingy because I know how to avoid one-itis and she’s not going to get clingy because I know how to manage the relationship and how often we see eachother and how “romantic” I am to keep her from falling in love with me. I have no interest in breaking up her relationship because I don’t want a serious relationship and if she became single and hounded me all the time for attention it would actually be annoying and get in the way of my hooking up with other girls.

I have enough abundance with women that I can move on as soon as her man gets back and I can respect her wanting to try to be faithful when he does get back so I can delete her number and cut her off entirely if she tries to contact me again since I have other women. I don’t judge her so I won’t make her feel guilty for hooking up, which means she won’t be stressing it and eventually destroy the guy by breaking down crying and confessing what she did…she can just tuck me away in that “doesn’t count” box in her mind along with Julio from spring break and they can work on their relationship and in fact I’ll even give her relationship advice and a little game knowledge to help her fix things if they’re having problems because I WANT her to stay with her man.

I don’t want kids and from sleeping around I know to use condoms and I get tested regularly, so the sex we have will be safe. And I’m not desperate for sex so if she tells me she hates condoms (which a surprising number of women do, especially ones in relationships) I have the abundance to tell her “condoms or get the fuck out”. I’m also fun and alpha and understand attraction so once she hooks up with me she’ll stop looking for other cock because I give her all the emotions she’s looking for.

And to top it all off, I’m good in bed so she’ll have a fun time and not regret it. Lol

So compared to most guys, where they’d talk smack about her man, fuck her bare-back, get all clingy on her or not be interesting enough to keep her attention so she ends up going out and finding more guys to bang, keep in touch with her behind the guy’s back when he gets back trying to break them up, possibly get her preggers forcing her man to raise his kid, etc etc, I’m a pretty good choice to be the guy who keeps her busy while she’s on the prowl.

A recent case is a girl I was banging for a while who was engaged. Amazing chemistry between us and we had a good time (her man’s sex drive was pretty much nom-existent and he was purely boring routine missionary sex in bed), but once they set a wedding date she started feeling guilty and decided she should try to be a better fiancé and broke things off with me.

I could’ve pursued her and convinced her to keep hooking up. I literally could’ve stopped their wedding on their wedding day with a couple txts, it would take no effort at all with the tools game has given me.

But instead I cut off all contact with her when she broke it off with me, despite her occasional drunk/horny txt every few months. I wish them the best and I hope they can make things work and as much as I liked banging her, I hope I never hear from her again.

So there’s my perspective lol


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YaReally
on October 20, 2012 at 2:15 pm
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God you guys are awkward and creepy.



Manly Men Confused Why Unmanly Men Get Girls

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LolidunnoLol
on October 19, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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Wait, so am I getting this right….unmanly men are attractive because he lies about…being manly? I dont get it


  • July
    on October 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm
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    You should work on your reading comprehension.

    Unmanly men outscore the manly men because they stoop down to the level of women. They have no pride. They’re walking dildos made to please women.


    • awakened
      on October 19, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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      Shit….it all makes sense now. A couple of months ago I had a friend whose girlfriend was swiped from under him.

      My friend, is a classic, fighter/gladiator-type alpha. Figured that the best way to remedy the situation is to challenge the other dude to a fight (in a boxing ring) knowing that the other dude will lose. Thus, emasculating him. The other guy acted tough like he is not afraid. The other guy even went as far as telling my friend that he will call the cops on him (for us manly men, that is a bitch move) Ultimately, though come fight day, he did not show up.

      My friend beamed with joy as he thought he made a fool out of the other guy and bragged to his ex that her boy did not show up, laughed and said they were a perfect match and she should marry him. Of course the gina tingles happened, but did not last very long.

      I think the girl and the dude is still fucking, and my friend right now is preparing for his first MMA fight. Alone. With no girl.


      • YaReally
        on October 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm
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        lol but I thought an affliction wearing MMA guy would just instantly destroy any guy who even looked at his girl!!!!!!!

        Gee it’s almost like real life plays out different than jockey imagination. Funny, that!


      • tickletik
        on October 21, 2012 at 10:31 am
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        He fucked up, your friend should have smiled and encouraged the hipster fag to go for her. Instead, his antics served to show that he took hipster douche as an actual threat, hipster douche threatening to call the cops demonstrates intelligence – he knows he cant win a fistfight, so why bother? By not showing up he also demonstrates that he can waste your friends time. On top of it, he STILL goes for the girl anyway, which shows he actually doesnt take your friends threats seriously in any way at all.

        In the other hand, The laughing encouragement to go for the girl move is perfect. It shows he doesnt need the girl, it puts resonsibility for her decisions on HER where it belongs, it shows hes socially cool, and finally it demonstrates contempt for hipster fags girl getting abilities.

        The only time a man should get jealous is when someone goes for his wife, and even then, its not because he loves the bitch, but because it will wreck his social and financial standing among men. At that point, you do what you must because its business, not personal.


        • YaReally
          on October 23, 2012 at 10:08 am
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          Well analyzed. This is actually what I do, as well. I’ll tell my girl “I think that guy wants to fuck you, you should give him a chance he’s probably got a huge penis ’cause he does MMA and you know they’re all badass lol”

          One of the really old PUA tactics was: “Bro, help me out man, these girls are crazy. I’ll give you $50 to take these girls off my hands!” and you literally try to hoist them on him. The girls go “noooo!!! We like youuu!!” and cling to you more.

          MMA guy handled it completely wrong and 100% deserved to lose the girl. But hey, at least he can wrestle around half-naked with other men to work out his sexual frustration lol


    • YaReally
      on October 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm
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      I think a lot of you have never even SEEN solid game in real life lol



YaReally
on October 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm
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A metrosexual can socially lead and dominate manly men.

Most of those manly men who look so badass chopping trees down and fixing cars, when you put them in a nightclub environment with thumping music, rich people, AMOG bouncers, smokin’ hot girls with bitch shields and high entitlement beliefs and ADD following the shiny object, guys in suits and blazers and beer-tub girls and shooter girls with their flirting on high and their tits falling out as they grope you and get in your face…

Know what most of those guys do?

Shit their pants and stand on death row with a drink up at their chest terrified because the environment overwhelms them.

Know what an effeminite metro guy like Strauss does?

Chats up groups of people, introduces groups of strangers to eachother as the social connector of the nightclub, shakes the bouncers and managers hands, chats up large sets of girls and flrts with them, then uses them to make other girls notice him, tools the manly men standing off to the side trying to look manly (takes their girls by socially dominating them while they stammer and go “uhhh ummm well I uhhh…” trying to respond to his AMOGs and getting sucked into his frame, looking like a chode in front of the girl compared to Strauss’ slick confident verbal skills), negs the hottest girls in the bar making them chase him around all night and takes a group of girls out of there for food, then takes one home.

Put Strauss on a construction site and ya, he’s not going to seem very badass to any women around watching him fumble with a hammer. But are the hottest girls hanging around on a construction site or are they in a high-end nightclub? :P

Anyone getting caught up in manly VS un-manly is completely looking at the wrong channels. You’re looking at surface level shit that’s irrellevant.


  • Lucky White Male
    on October 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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    Great insight

    As I say in my other post here, being moderated right now, you must be conversant and facile with the feminine world of women… and not just a “manly man.”

    Manliness is not enough by itself: you need to be able to handle yourself socially in an attractive, appealing, socially dominant way that is attractive to females.

    At same time, it is hard to see how a Neil Strauss could outperform a Krauser, for example, in terms of raw urgent sexual desire.

    Krauser being a “manly” type of “man game”. I cannot imagine a “9″ say being more hard up to fuck a Metrosexual like Strauss than a cool as fuck masculine (yet equally intelligent) guy like K.

    K’s approach will trump everytime


    • YaReally
      on October 19, 2012 at 1:38 pm
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      “I cannot imagine a “9″ say being more hard up to fuck a Metrosexual like Strauss than a cool as fuck masculine (yet equally intelligent) guy like K.”

      1) If you haven’t seen that happen, go out more. Stick around past last call when guys are aggressively competing for girls.

      2) It all comes down to who’s game is tighter that night and how/when they extract the girl:

      http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/advanced/271.html

      All it comes down to is if a Strauss can poke a single hole in a Krauser’s armor and seem 1% cooler than him at any point in the night, the girl will switch to him.

      Part of why I can take girls off rich, better looking guys than me, or manlier men than me, even if their girl is into them, is because I know that I can create a window of opportunity where I’ll look cooler than him to his girl. For most guys it’s not hard, you just run some verbal AMOG’ing and get them to qualify to you and that’s enough. For tougher situs you have to start throwing in some girl-coding and getting your elbows dirty. For really tough sets you have to bring in the big guns, like chatting up a set of hot girls nearby where the girl’s going to see you’re making them laugh, or chatting with the manager in front of her, etc. etc. before approaching.

      A guy like Style will look like he’s the manager of the club and the most important person in the scene when he approaches so the girls are dying to find out who he is…he’s not popping out of the shadows with gay bald head whispering “who lies more??”

      Julien from RSD approaches a girl and whispers in her ear “Tell him I’m your gay friend.” and creates a fun conspiracy, then tells the guy he just needs to borrow her for one minute, and then he isolates her and escalates.

      Gambler approaches a set with “Hey, how’ve you been?” and pretends to know the girl to disarm the guy.

      Jeffy from RSD will get threatening in the guy’s face looking to scrap and aggressively pull the girl away from him.

      To get rid of cockblock friends, Tyler literally shouts at them to get the fuck away until they leave.

      I’ve picked a girl up over my shoulder and just RUN AWAY carrying her.

      Generally in those situations the girls aren’t thinking “well if I compare the % ratio of how much wood this man could chop compared to this one it seems like the decimal point would indicate–”…she’s thinking “OMG lol hahahaha holy shit wheeeee!!! lololol”

      If you show her a picture of the manly man next to a Strauss she might logically go “oh I’d rather fuck the manly dude.” but the reality is that in the moment it comes down to game.


      • immoralgables
        on October 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm
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        YaReally I’m on page 350 of MM Collabo. A lot of information to absorb. Do you recommend a starting point or to absorb it all? I’d rather throw darts at the board than just shit at the wall and see what’s sticks.

        I’m thinking it might be for me to go back to beginning and focus and practice TDs AMOG tactics. Then maybe progress to Sickboys Openers section and try stuff from there. I’m kind of lost with all the info and if your answer depends on where I’m at just let me know.

        -I.G.


        • YaReally
          on October 23, 2012 at 10:11 am
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          Comes down to your sticking points. The nice thing about PUA is you don’t have to read it in order. You can spend a few weeks focusing on building rapport, then a few weeks focusing on mixed sets, then a few weeks focusing on opening, then a few weeks focusing on escalating quickly, etc. etc.

          So to decide the best place to start, is there any particular sticking point you have in field, or some part of your game that isn’t as smooth/efficient as you feel like it should be?


  • YaReally
    on October 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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    P.S. I like all the “jump on the bandwagon” disdain for one of the original guys who figured out half the concepts that you all use to get pussy today. How many nights did you go out this week, shit-talkers? Because the early PUAs were hitting it up 4-7 nights a week for years chipping away at concepts and spending hours writing about them and teaching them so that you could use a filtered version of them via the Manosphere, and then shit all over the guys who dedicated a huge chunk of their life to figure them out in the first place.

    And STRAUSS is the “parasite”? lol look in a mirror.

    Put ANY of you in Strauss’ body with his personality before he got into pickup and none of you would’ve made the kind of progress in self-development and developing the PUA community that he did. The guys calling him a slimy worm wouldn’t last 20 minutes in a high-end nightclub without panicking and holding up a wall for the night.


    • FuriousFerret
      on October 19, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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      Truth.

      Respect is earned in results and all the old school PUAs showed results, the end all be all.

      I think the hate is that these guys underneath it all they have nerdy intellectual personalities. These would be the guys that were into Rush and played D&D in high school, so there is an immediate negative reaction to them.

      But WTF, that makes them all the more impressive. They fought against all the negative odds to score with women that if they followed the beaten path would never have even talked to.

      Whenever somebody has achieved something that you want, hating is the ultimate sign of a loser. You should compete to win. Find out what they did and adjust your strategy accordingly. Healthy competition is the core of what it means to actually be a true man. When you hate you should hold up a big sign that says here stands a loser that will never win because he focuses on others instead of winning for himself.


      • King A (Matthew King)
        on October 20, 2012 at 12:43 pm
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        … that makes them all the more impressive…

        Impressive relative to their natural shortcomings. On an absolute scale, they overcompensated for those deficiencies and ignored the many more dimensions of accomplishment that comprise a man in full.

        As PUAs near the end of their whirly, punch-drunk carousel ride, they start to edge back toward what they missed during their monomaniacal chase of The One Most Important Thing. Hence we see the faintly pathetic attempt to expand game techniques into new-agey philosophies for life, as the veterans have now begun to in their quasi-retirement:

        “PUAs aren’t racist!” “Find the meaning that’s good for you, bro.” “Being manly is for asocial, awkward chumps who can’t get laid despite their advantages.” “This HBD thing is like what I learned picking-up drunk sluts, only academic!” “It’s all about inner game now.”

        YaReally just put up a mini-ad for Buddhism somewhere in the comments. When this is one’s highest grasp of the spiritual, you know you’re looking at near-tragic impoverishment. Trendy Buddhism, yoga, nirvana, and the power of crystals (Eat, Pray, Love!) are the DIY spiritualist’s panic attack — Maybe I should give a thought or two to the higher things. Where to begin? Hm, India seems exotic, and not stuffy like church… It is the same simplicity that enthralls women to street magic and faux profundity. If PUAs had a slightly better self-awareness, they’d see themselves succumbing to the big-picture spiritual equivalent of “The Cube” trick.

        But I’m not one to spread bad feelings, so let me conclude with a conciliatory note. These PUAs are very good at what they do, just as anyone who devotes himself to such focused thought and experimentation will be, and they most certainly have put in their time. They are to be commended for their achievement and their generosity at spreading that gospel. If they can keep their opinions from straying into territory in which they are not expert, they deserve the highest praise: nothing more, but certainly nothing less either. Enmity is stupid in this regard, the sign of intramural division caused by our instinct for competition rather than true difference.

        Matt


        • YaReally
          on October 23, 2012 at 10:13 am
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          I saw my name in bold and was so excited! And then I fell asleep a few words in. Maybe try again but with less words?

          <3


    • Alexander
      on October 19, 2012 at 2:26 pm
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      So what would be a right thing for a manly alpha to do?
      Beat the shit out of such a guy, (and do it to chase him away, not to impress women that much) so that when he sees you again, he runs away from the place. Especially if you’re regular in that club, and have the crew that you go with.
      If the problem is that he might sue you, or something, you don’t have to beat him down, you can go to him and start to insult him, and slap him like he is a girl, and be arogant and relentless, and openly show to everyone how much you hate him, and disdain him which should keep others from defending him, thinking that you do all this things from hatred of him, and not to deliberately chase the guy away because he can get women easier.
      I personally am disgusted with that and wouldn’t be doing it, but seems to me that it’s the only way to stop him from taking the girl/s you like.

      You have something like that in the movie “step up”. The white guy Tyler dances with the girl of the local AMOG, and he’s doing it just right, she’s falling, but the local more manly alpha that can’t pull such things on the dance floor, nor establish emotional conection with a girl the way Tyler can, simply comes to him, and declares that girl is his teritory, and that the “dancer” needs to get his ass out of there. Girl protests, saying shit like:”we were just dancing”, but is being ignored, and after the show of the AMOG’s force, Tyler leaves in defeat. The girl remained to the brute.

      Though i personally think that Tyler, is otherwise a perfect combination of both(as i am triing to be), it can be seen how a more brutish guy still didn’t lost a girl to him.


      • YaReally
        on October 23, 2012 at 10:24 am
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        “So what would be a right thing for a manly alpha to do?
        Beat the shit out of such a guy, (and do it to chase him away, not to impress women that much) so that when he sees you again, he runs away from the place. Especially if you’re regular in that club, and have the crew that you go with.”

        Here’s why you won’t beat him up:

        Because 1) if he’s a good PUA, he’s socially connected in that club and wields far more social power than you. The bouncers are on his side, the manager is on his side, the bartenders and waitresses are on his side, and even the crowd, especially the girls, are on his side. 2) if you’re a generic tough dude, you’re not used to social pressure. You’re a badass in the MMA ring but if your girl is being taken off your hands, socially you’re a chump and you will cave to the judgement and peer pressure of the people around you.

        And most importantly 3) the bouncers all hate you. You and “your boys” might be regulars, but if you’re ready to throw down that fast, you are fucking annoying to all of the staff. You ruin people’s night, you ruin their night, you piss them off and legally they can’t retaliate as much as they want to, and they only let you in because they have to but they’d rather have a nice quiet night where everyone has fun. You scare the girls there, you make the guys not want to come back (and they’re the ones blowing the money on those girls that keeps the bar in business), and you probably awkwardly hit on the staff girls all night and annoy them, and then tip like shit. And the whole time you think you and your boys are badass bros that the bar wants there.

        On the flip side the PUA is bringing girls to the bar, making people laugh and have a good time and want to come back and spend more money next week and recommend the place to their friends because they had so much fun. He cheers the staff up and points out retards like your boys to the bouncers when you’re getting out of hand and ruining other people’s night. The PUA is also socially connecting people and hanging in a social circle of quality social people who also spread good vibes around. The staff love him and look forward to him showing up and they give him free drinks and VIP entry etc. because they understand the value he brings to the bar in the form of the crowd having a good time.

        I’ve had managers and staff come over and introduce themselves to my group and I and buy us drinks or give us free VIP booths, bottles, take care of our tab, etc. literally just because they saw us rallying a quiet club into party mode and they want us to come back.

        Your angry sausage-fest in a corner starting fights because they’re insecure and making the environment overall unpleasant for the people around them, are not going to win the exchange. And even if you do, way to go, you beat up a small girly-man that everyone likes…you’re gonna’ seem super cool to everyone after that lol


  • Greg Eliot
    on October 19, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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    Most of those manly men who look so badass chopping trees down and fixing cars, when you put them in a nightclub environment with thumping music…

    It will take a natural disaster of epic proportions to upend the world of the men chopping down trees and fixing cars… and even then, they find a way to endure… though their women might have to make do without miniskirts and purple eye shadow with sparkles.

    All it takes to bring down a nightclub with its thumping music is a blown fuse.

    Revel in your Babylon… and enjoy it while it lasts.


    • YaReally
      on October 19, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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      “It will take a natural disaster of epic proportions to upend the world of the men chopping down trees and fixing cars…”

      OR…robots.

      lol


    • Lara
      on October 19, 2012 at 2:12 pm
      Original Link

      I would enjoy watching YaReally on one of those lobster boats.


      • YaReally
        on October 23, 2012 at 10:24 am
        Original Link

        ’cause I’d be shirtless. Perv.


  • Tyrone
    on October 20, 2012 at 10:45 am
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    A metrosexual can socially lead and dominate manly men.

    Only in circumstances such as we have in our society now, which has been created for the sake of women They are artificial and depend on advanced technology created by those most ostracized from it rewards. Do you really think the manly men who tolerate you trust you?


    • YaReally
      on October 23, 2012 at 10:26 am
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      Wait, let me translate your post:

      “waahhh wahhh reality isn’t the way I want it to be in my head and I can’t adjust to the world around me and succeed so I’m going to cry about it because I wasn’t capable of adapting to a new environment, which tells everyone that I’m probably pretty socially awkward in real life”

      lol



YaReally
on October 19, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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I have a lot to say on this topic cause I’m middle-ground (some manly features but don’t know how to change a tire) and I hang out with both super-metros and big tough men because I have a lot of social circles.

Reality is, a lot of the rough n tumble guys have terrible social skills. They’re always paranoid about being disrespected and look miserable in a club enviro and are mean to the metro guys in front of girls (a cool guy can get along with anyone, these guys end up looking insecure and bitter), they see every other guy in the bar as a physical threat or pussy competition, they hang out around other men doing manly shit so a girl in a miniskirt and push-up bra fries their circuits and they stutter, and just in general they’re not comfortable in a club enviro and that comes across clearly like a neon sign.

They also tend to be homophobic and thus very uncomfortable with sex and sexuality in general. Russell Brand says when he runs into one of these manly types he actually ramps up his flamboyant gayness instead of toning it down, because it makes the guys really uncomfortable and they don’t know how to deal with it and act normal.

Now I also know some manly types who are solid players. And there are times where a girl has decided “this is my type of guy” and if the guy has game he’s pretty safe, even if a metro guy tries she can force herself to stick with the manly guy.

But the reverse is also true, depending on your city and the environment, some girls like the metro guys. A construction worker in his work boots and a plaid shirt and $8 haircut, in a high-end nightclub, just looks socially inept. The slick Ryan Gosling from that recent movie looks way higher value there.



(Don’t) Be Like Mike

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YaReally
on October 17th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
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God such a good movie. Required watching for every man learning game. I think it’s important not just to avoid Mikey’s errors but to look at Trent’s alpha vibe. Dude is always positive, talks his buddies up, assumes attraction, scolds his crew when he needs to, isn’t afraid to cause a scene or be the center of attention, etc.


How To Inure Yourself To Beautiful Women

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immoralgables
on October 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm
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Always say “Meh” either out loud or to yourself when it comes to evaluating a hot girl.

It works for me. Even if they are so, the fact that you say Meh instead of OMG knocks them off the fucking pedestal in your mind.


  • YaReally
    on October 18, 2012 at 9:11 am
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    Try this lol:



gig
on October 17, 2012 at 8:07 pm
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This is what the Buddha recommends for a monk who’s been distracted by female beauty (which is after all in the eye—and hormones—of the beholder): Imagine her in fifty years. Or better yet, a hundred. it.

Female aging is one of the greatest tragedies of mankind. This way of thought is akin to visualizing people dying from cancer of sclerosis. It is sick

Besides, Buddhism is a freakish religion, freakish even for the already high standards of freakiness of eastern religions. My bet is that this Buddha guy was some sort of reverend moon who got famous in his time, got some followers for a few centuries until less freakish cults wiped out his own and was relegated to the ash bin of history until Californian and British hippies dug him back.


  • YaReally
    on October 18, 2012 at 8:57 am
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    Eastern Philosophy/Religions gel very well with PUA, since a lot of PUA is about learning to control your own destiny and seeking answers from within and breaking away from external validation and material things, instead of waiting around for someone else to fix things for you or blaming someone else for your troubles (aka “god will save us” or “god has a plan” or “that was the devil’s work”). Relgion in general is pretty silly to me, but I like parts of Bhuddhism/Taoism.



How To Inure Yourself To Beautiful Women

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YaReally
on October 18, 2012 at 8:49 am
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I’m going to just look up porn of fat chicks all day every day for a month without leaving my apartment. Then when I go out, all the 5s will seem like 10s and I’ll be in heaven. lol

On a more serious note, to paraphrase Tyler:

“Entitlement is how attractive she can be while you’re still comfortable being at the cause (“You. Come here. Give me your number.”), not the effect (“Do you LIKE me? Is this OKAY? Can I have your number??”). Freedom from outcome is how attractive she can be while you can just act NORMAL. (lol)”

How to use momentum to build your sense of entitlement (an exercise you can do this weekend):

And here’s a short clip describing another exercise you can do this weekend:

I actually don’t mind the nervousness. I just try to reframe it in my mind as “this nervousness is just a sign that I have good taste. If I wasn’t nervous, that’d mean I was talking to an ugly chick.” It still chokes me up, but I’d rather build reference experiences of conquering my nervousness than think of her being disgusting and gross ’cause if I do the latter then when I take her home how am I supposed to get a boner? I made her disgusting in my mind lol That’s no fun.



gig
on October 18, 2012 at 10:16 am
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My 21 year-old-stripper recent ex decided to shit in front of me a couple of weeks ago

&

In other words, that fermenting fecal matter will be sitting there slowly inching its way through her large intestine with a target release date of 3-4 days after its solidified formation

This is probably the worst comment exchange I have ever read in this blog in 4 years. Seriously, I thought you bozos would hibernate outside of normal society for at least a year after the release of Diablo III


  • Greg Eliot
    on October 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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    DIABLO III IS OUT???!!!!!

    All seriousness aside, I heartily concur.


    • gig
      on October 18, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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      There is one of those (fun) pie-charts asking: “why you don’t get laid”. And the pie-chart says:

      - because you are ugly (5%)
      - because you are poor (5%)
      - because you are fat (5%)
      - because you are a Level 85 Paladin (85%)

      I have to confess that I played Diablo II like that,

      [heartiste: in medieval england, a real life level 85 paladin would have cleaned up with the ladies. in contrast, a modern day level 85 paladin transported back to medieval england would have been just as shunned by the ladies then as he is now. and the real life paladin would have used the video gaming paladin's flabby cheetoh-fed ass as a flesh cover for the point of his joust.]


      • YaReallyLvl85
        on October 18, 2012 at 10:48 pm
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        “in medieval england, a real life level 85 paladin would have cleaned up with the ladies.”

        lol’ed. Next time a girl asks my hobbies I’m going to tell girls I play Warcraft and deadpan that. Love it.



Women Love Aloof And Indifferent Men: More Proof

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Anon
on October 16, 2012 at 12:27 pm
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Aloof, indifferent men are so because they’re banging other chicks and have other qualities that make them attractive to chicks.

[heartiste: maybe. but the aloofness and indifference casts its own spell over women.]

A typical nice guy emulating the aloofness

[if he's aloof he's not a niceguy.]

won’t get the same responses because he doesn’t have the underlying qualities and harem.

[sure he will. case in point: two niceguys, one is attentive bordering on needy, the other intriguingly aloof. the latter is the one who gets more interest from women.]

Rather, aloofness would probably help him with chicks that are already into him.

[it will help him with chicks already in his orbit, and it will help him attract new chicks.]


  • YaReally
    on October 16, 2012 at 6:35 pm
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    Keyboard Jockey theory. “Fake it till you make it” works. You just have to understand what you’re faking and why you’re faking it. Same thing as acting, and like acting, being able to appear congruent to your role (whether that congruency is natural or fake) determines whether she believes you or not.



Jeffrey
on October 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm
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The main reason PUAs prefer much younger girls-

[heartiste: ...is because they're the hottest.]

this would not work on a woman 25+.

[proof by assertion.]

She would have been with enough of these cocks by that time and she’d see it a mile away.

[when a man has been with lots of beautiful women and seen their naked bodies, does the fact that he can see the wonderful curves of women from a mile away mean that he no longer desires them?]

Who would want an old hag anyway?

[men without options.]


  • YaReally
    on October 16, 2012 at 6:31 pm
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    Keyboard Jockey theory.



Wolfie65
on October 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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Being aloof, acting like a jerk and all that stuff ‘casts a spell’ over a girl IF the guy is at least 6’2, younger than 30, looks like a soap star and/or has Scrooge McDuck’s bankroll. If the guy is too short/fug/old/poor for her taste, he can be aloof and jerky all he wants – by himself.


  • JR trolled a good one
    on October 16, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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    Well, looks definitely matter.

    [heartiste: no one said they didn't. but looks matter a lot more for men than they do for women. by that i mean, ugly men have a chance. ugly women do not.]

    This blog commits an error when it often dismisses the importance of looks for men.

    [strawman, meet troll. troll, meet your battered ego.]

    In some ways, looks are just as important for men as they are for women,

    [no, they're not, unless you narrowly define "some ways" as a drunk ovulating woman with a low digit ratio and a manjaw who has an itch to briefly hitch.]

    Research suggests that people generally date within their beauty rank;

    [cite.
    ps research also shows that the happiest couples are the ones where the man is objectively less attractive than the woman. i shit you not, troll.]

    so, what does ‘game’ really tell us, assuming this is true?

    [that most men don't use game? duh?]


    • YaReally
      on October 16, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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      Keyboard Jockey.



YaReally
on October 17, 2012 at 2:21 am
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Off-topic, but wanted to share:

http://www.pua-zone.com/forumdisplay.php?24-Community-Projects

Watch the combined drive of a bunch of PUAs create and solidify a new massive reference guide of updated game concepts for no reason except to share the information with future red pill swallowing men who want to get a handle on this.

It’s in the beginning stages now, but I’ll link it again when it’s further along. Just wanted to share the kind of stuff the PUA community does as an example of exactly why PUAs progressed game knowledge in such a short time.

If feminists were this co-ordinated and in sync, and similarly focused their combined energy in one direction, we’d all be fucked.


  • String
    on October 18, 2012 at 2:24 am
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    YaReally – Do you post on that forum also?

    If you do, I’d be interested in checking them out as I’ve gotten alot of value from your posts here.

    Thanks.


    • YaReally
      on October 18, 2012 at 4:14 am
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      Nope I only post here and at Rollo’s. But I read the sedfast forum because a lot of the posters there go way back in the game and have more experience/knowledge than places like sosuave or Roosh’s forum. They also have sections on managing Monogamous and Polygamous relationships which a lot of the Manosphere would probably find useful…they talk 100% cold hard logic about relationships in there and as I get older I figure it behooves me to learn about that shit incase I decide to settle down.

      There’s also a minimum of retard flame wars there because they moderate well, and sedfast isn’t linked to selling any particular product so there’s no biases. It’s a spawn-off from fastseduction which was the go-to central seduction board back in the pre/post-The Game days and was also well moderated and full of experienced PUAs.



When The Handicap Principle Is Just A Handicap

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necorochi
on October 15, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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Dear Chateau

Reading Revelation I came across a shit test that I’m not “SURE” how to respond, hence mystery or Lovedrop do not clearly give an answer to, here gose:

“You say something, but she completely ignores it as if she didn’t even
hear you. She avoids your gaze and acts like she can’t see you. She
completely disacknowledges you.
Didn’t she hear what you just said? You look stupid if you repeat
yourself. You try this once, and then get angry at her for “making you
look stupid.”
If you become confrontational, now you are the one in violation,
and she has a legitimate reason to treat you as weird and creepy.”

Basically it just tells you what not to do, which I understand.

If a girl says “What?” and acts like she didn’t here you to make you look stupid when really in truly she did hear you, what would be a proper responce? Help much appreciated.

[heartiste: "nevermind".
whatever you do, don't repeat yourself if you think she genuinely heard you but is playing a dominance bitch game. repeating yourself is low value. "nevermind" is a good reply to that. as is saying "what?" in return, like you're mimicking her for fun. "you heard me" is another good reply if she's being especially bitchy and you think she'd appreciate a little of the ol' ultra-asshole. or, my favored response, just ignore her "what?" and either change the subject or talk to someone else in the vicinity.]


  • YaReally
    on October 16, 2012 at 11:55 am
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    I use this to AMOG guys. I say “What?” and get them to repeat themselves, especially when they’re saying their name or if they zing me with a good burn. If I need to really crush them I’ll misinterpret them after too, so they have to clarify AGAIN what they meant.

    (Me with girl, guy comes up and hits on her and I can tell he’s a random and not a friend of hers):
    Her: “this is YaReally”
    Me: “Hey man, what’s up? I’m YaReally.” (bug friendly smile and vibe from me the whole time)
    Him: “(shaking my hand) Jimmy.”
    Me: “(as if he was too quiet for the bar music) What?”
    Him: “JIMMY!”
    Me: “Kimmy? Oh man you must’ve gone thru hell in school with a girl’s name.”
    Him: “huh? Wait no its–”
    Me: “It’s cool, I got a buddy who’s parent named him Jesse and people always assume he’s a girl before they meet him lol”
    Him: “(frustrated/embarrassed) no no, it’s JIMMY. With a J”
    Me: “Ohhhh fuck my bad lol sorry I can’t hear shit over this music. So where are your friends Jimmy?”
    etc.

    By then, even if he had a vibe going on with the girl, I’ve shit all over it and fucked his state up too much for him to recover lol I’ve had slick alphas escape this trap but its extremely rare and I don’t even get mad at those guys I give them props and learn from how they handled me.



YaReally
on October 16, 2012 at 11:38 am
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“Maxim #55: The degree to which you handicap yourself in an effort to signal high status to women should be commensurate with your game expertise and your confidence level.”

When a newbie starts out, we tell him to groom himself and get new clothes etc. it’s not because those things matter and will attract the girl, it’s because he doesn’t have enough alpha traits to make up for the handicap of looking like a slob.

When a PUA hits a certain skill level, it’s important that he go out once in a while or for a period of time looking like shit (a lot of PUAs will just shave their heads or gain/lose a bunch of weight or grow ugly moustaches and beards or wear the same outfit out for a month straight etc). At that point he has enough alpha traits to overcome looking exactly like the ubkempt newbie does and it’s important for him to gather the reference experiences of having success while looking his worst, to drive home the point to himself that his looks don’t matter. Once you’ve pulled a handful of girls looking your worst, you understand why the advanced PUAs stress that looks and nice clothes and cars are irrelevant.

Far as extreme peacocking goes, you need the congruency and confidence to back it up. If you go out dressed like mystery and take over a room like he does and disarm shit-tests effortlessly, it builds attraction (for a more common example, take the frat boys who go out in togas or as part of an 80s theme night etc an are just having a blast fucking around).

If you go out peacocked up and aren’t feeling confident and let shit-tests phase you, you’ll be the guy sitting in a corner socially mortified and feeling like an idiot thinking everyone’s watching and judging him, which wearing a ridiculous outfit. I learned that one the hard way lol but you have to, to really understand how much of a difference your vibe makes to the results peacocking gets you.

Peacocking isn’t what gets you attraction, peacocking instigates shit-tests from society around you, men and women and your own internal fears of social judgement/pressure, and allows you to demonstrate that you can handle those things like a boss and THAT is what gets you attraction.



Sex Debt

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YaReally
on October 15th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
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lol. Just lol. You guys make my job so much easier with articles like this, so thankyou lol

[I know what you're thinking, and I agree, but I'm delving into the social aspect of this, not the PUA applications.]


Hookup Men Vs “For-Real” Men

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taterearl
on October 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm
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Here’s a situation to chew on since I’ve never had a girl come back to me after she initially stopped contact with me.

A gal I took on one coffee date has returned contact with me. At the time she couldn’t continue with me because she was also dating another guy and wanted to pursue that. She broke up with the guy. She buttered me up in her message and talked about getting reacquainted. I have an idea of what I should do…but I figured more brains in the game could tell me how they would handle it.


  • YaReally
    on October 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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    If you want the lay:

    Txt “ya I’ll be at BarName tonight. You should come out. Dress sexy, I haven’t seen you in a while.”

    She’s likely to do it because she’s chasing you now, so you can set the frame. You’ve been fine without her for 2 months, if she doesn’t show or doesn’t dress up you don’t care and she knows that.

    When she shows up act unimpressed and make her qualify herself to you, approach the whole thing from the frame of she’s in the doghouse for banging some other guy and you haven’t decided if you want to fuck her or not yet, you’re on the fence about it and don’t care.

    Then at some point later in the night pick something she says/does (like her dancing) and act like you 180′ed into now wanting her because of that. ie – “I wasn’t sure about you but then you started dancing and…wow…” like you couldn’t take your eyes off her and she’s won you over. You could use something she says but I’d go with something physical she does like dancing or when she takes part of her clothes off because its hot or whatever…picking something physical sets a physical/sexual frame.

    At this point she’ll feel like she’s earned you and she’s had a night full of emotional drama, so you just cut to the chase and grab her and say “let’s get out of here.” and drag her by the hand out the door and into a cab.

    Don’t put any effort into this one, she’ll do all the work, you can pretty much just sit back and let it happen. If she gives you ANY hassle/resistance or tries to get YOU to come out to where SHE is (instead of her coming to see you aka her investing in you), just txt a “lol that’s cute” or something similar and then ignore her txts completely until she sends one later in the night or in a few days that shows she’s ready to play on your terms.


    • Alexander
      on October 14, 2012 at 10:25 am
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      “When she shows up act unimpressed and make her qualify herself to you, approach the whole thing from the frame of she’s in the doghouse for banging some other guy and you haven’t decided if you want to fuck her or not yet, you’re on the fence about it and don’t care.

      Then at some point later in the night pick something she says/does (like her dancing) and act like you 180′ed into now wanting her because of that. ie – “I wasn’t sure about you but then you started dancing and…wow…” like you couldn’t take your eyes off her and she’s won you over.”

      I was thinking about such a tactic, which is more less mimicking a girl’s behaviour(tactic?) that’s played on us.
      If she wants you, she’ll surely understand it completely.
      Ya really rules


      • taterearl
        on October 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm
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        So in other words…how you should act with every girl you meet.


        • YaReally
          on October 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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          You got it. The only difference between this and another girl is that she’s tipped her hand in advance and given away her cards. You know she wants you or she wouldn’t have re-initiated talking to you. There is no reason this won’t work out unless you literally cockblock yourself…like you would have to actively try to fuck it up lol

          You could have some fun with it if you just want to fuck around and see some messed up female psychology in action but if she’s a cool chick there’s no reason to fuck with her head, and I’m assuming you actually want the lay lol

          Good luck either way!



walawala
on October 13, 2012 at 1:58 am
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the irony or paradox of game, for me anyway, has been that before I understood it, I was investing tons of time in dates that lead no where. I have no goal and the girls would have to either make it clearer that they wanted to fuck me or would simply use me as an orbiter.

Now…after I bang the girls a few times…THEN we start going on what you might call a “date”—dinner, drinks, movies, walks etc. But usually that’s to kill time before banging.

I’m not sure that this is only a perception, a reality or my own reality that I’ve created as a result of becoming more atuned to what women are actually looking for.

There’s one girl I’m now gaming who wants to spend time, is shit testing, but it’s clear that she’s only setting up some time in her head so that when we do eventually bang each other, it will be more acceptable that we “dated” a few times.

But the reality is, we’re just hanging out, drinks, hanging off each other, flirty texts etc.

The “date” as I now see it was a substitute for “Comfort building”. But “comfort” and rapport building can take various forms and the time frame is irrelevant because tight game can accelerate this making the need for “Dating” irrelevant.

I go to restaurants or out for drinks and I see guys who don’t get it out with girls they’re clearly “dating”—nothing to say to each other, no IOI’s from the girl, it’s just killing time. Myeh.


  • YaReally
    on October 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm
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    “I was investing tons of time in dates that lead no where. I have no goal and the girls would have to either make it clearer that they wanted to fuck me or would simply use me as an orbiter.”

    Yep. Most guys are waiting for it to “just happen” or seeking blatant green light permission. And they choose dates that have terrible logistics for getting laid. It’s just a waste of time…you can “get to know her” over morning cuddles and going for breakfast with crazy sex hair.

    “The “date” as I now see it was a substitute for “Comfort building”. But “comfort” and rapport building can take various forms and the time frame is irrelevant because tight game can accelerate this making the need for “Dating” irrelevant.”

    This is a perfect way of describing it. I literally can’t even imagine what it’s like to go on a date anymore. It’s just not a thing I need to do. Either I’m going for the same night lay when I meet her or I build enough comfort via txting that she’ll come over or be up for a bullshit “date” where we just grab a drink and head to one if our places to bang. The concept of meeting up on a Saturday night for dinner and a movie is completely alien to me and sounds awkward and boring and expensive lol especially if the girl is boring which you don’t find out until you’re on the date shelling out a bunch of $ on the expensive dinner…it’s just not a good investment for your time/money

    I tell girls flat out that I’m more picky about who I go to dinner with than who I fuck. (stole that from Paul Janka but its actually true) Going from fuckbuddy to girlfriend is easy, all I have to do is take them to dinner after we’ve been banging…because they know my view on that, they go “omg he LIKES me!!” and it means way more than if I had done a traditional date at the start.

    It’s very very very easy to go from fuckbuddies to serious dating. That’s why the anti-gamers who say PUA is just about ONS and no good for finding an LTR are retarded lol. I could have a new serious GF tomorrow if I wanted to, but why would I want to?


    • taterearl
      on October 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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      If you never want to marry…then that route is fine. If you are looking for a woman to marry, then they can’t be a gal who bangs you that easy.

      But I agree about not investing a whole lot in them early. The most any woman gets from me unless she chooses me is drinks or activities where I’ll at least have fun like bowling. No flowers, dinners, jewelry…I feel dirty if I spend more than 20 dollars. I don’t think I’ve gone on an actual Friday or Saturday date in years.


    • walawala
      on October 14, 2012 at 11:38 am
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      Some examples of the non-date, dates…there’s now a girl I met on OK Cupid, 25. I replied to her with the following message:
      “You look interesting….innocent look but it seems to mask a wild side”

      She replied: “Why do you think I have a wild side…” from there it was on.

      It’s a good response—like the “Cold read”….

      We chatted and we agreed that this was about fucking. She is cute, 7, big tits, but completely horny, submissive and into everything.

      Date? I think she would be creeped out.

      Two other examples….i would more call it hanging out. I gamed one at a club, then number closed her, from there we met up for a dinner and hang out, then when I came back through for business, another dinner, then by the third or fourth time, I banged her. Now when I come through,we bang, then we go for some outing…

      The “dates” i’ve had…have gone absolutely no where.

      So pre-qualification, setting the frame early, making it clear you want to fuck them—all go towards weeding out the time wasters.

      If you get a “Are you just into meeting me for sex?”

      Response: I’m a man, too many women are sexually frustrated, because men aren’t up front, so everyone ends up frustrated and unhappy. I’m not like that. If you don’t want to meet, ok, no problem. But I’m a man, you’re a woman”—I paraphrased and simplified this from Krauser.

      Works every time. Chicks will always say “Oh, yah, I see what you mean”…

      A “date” might be going to a concert or grabbing something to eat, but not with some pre determined outcome.

      The outcome has to be somehow negotiated verbally or non-verbally early.


      • YaReally
        on October 14, 2012 at 1:35 pm
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        Solid stuff dude.

        “So pre-qualification, setting the frame early, making it clear you want to fuck them—all go towards weeding out the time wasters.”

        Yep exactly. And the more you do it the more you learn to calibrate to how innocent/slutty she is. Over time you can get the good girls to put out as fast as the slutty ones, you just need to use more discretion because of the fear of judgement and ASD and all that.

        If you get stuck going on dates, she’s looking at you through the provider frame instead of the fuckworthy frame. When you lay all the groundwork in advance setting the frame so she KNOWS to only expect sex from you, she won’t even ask for a date. Hell even to HER that’s a waste of time, like your submissive chick who would be weirded out by a date.

        “If you get a “Are you just into meeting me for sex?””

        Your response is solid. I have a GF right now so I tell them I’m no good for boyfriend material because I’m already taken but we have killer chemistry, life is short, and I like to be up front about my intentions because I’d rather be honest and have you say “I’m not cool with that” and we just be friends, than lie to you and be that guy who tells you he loves you just to get in your pants, I have buddies who do that and I don’t respect it.

        Pretty much a done deal from there. However you set the frame, the important thing is just to be 100% congruent to it. A Nice Guy saying that would trigger her red flags and a super blatant player saying “no you’re special I’m in love with you” would trigger them too.

        Again like the Joker says: nobody panics when everything goes according to plan, even if that plan is horrifying. That’s basically what congruency is and it’s why responses like this work for guys like you and I but wouldn’t work for a Nice Guy or one of the “aimless dinner and a movie date” guys.

        “The outcome has to be somehow negotiated verbally or non-verbally early.”

        This is very important. If I DO go on a “day 2l with a girl (PUAs called it that back in the day because “date” put too much pressure and expectations on guys so to help avoid falling into the traditional mindset we used a different word to get guys to focus more on hanging out than a dinner/movie date), we both know we’re going to fuck and that the hanging out is purely a formality, or a chance for her to loosen up a bit and for me to build some quick comfort, or if she’s an Internet chick it’s for us to make sure we have chemistry in person and generally she just wants to make sure I’m as flirty and fun in person as I am over the net and txting. Either way, she knows she’s getting fucked that night.

        My buddies go on dates or invite girls out with us with ZERO plan in their head on how they’re going to get her alone and actually fuck her. The girls end up frustrated in the end too, because they wanted the guy to lead things to sex but he dropped the ball.

        I’ve literally choreographed entire nights with certain buddies who get game. “Okay let’s put our jackets and shit on this chair so your girl will sit there with you, and mine will have to sit on the couch with me cause yours is on but I need to build more comfort with mine, and I’ll sit on this half of the couch so she has to face away from you guys when we talk. You vanish with your girl and bang her in the bathroom before we head to the bar and make it loud so it’s obvious and that’ll set the tone for the night and make mine jealous her friend is getting laid…” etc. etc. (that one worked out exactly as planned, we even laughed about how flawless it went the next day and we banged the two of them for months lol)

        Anyway, nothing “just happens”. Too many guys go on dates hoping something “just happens”. Girls are the ones who need it to “just happen”, guys are supposed to MAKE it happen. I’ve seen situations where I actually feel bad for the girl as my no-game buddy won’t escalate things and some of them have girl-coded their frustration to me and I’ve literally told them “I KNOW!! Fuck I’m sorry, I feel bad for you, he likes you and I’m trying to get him to fuck you but he’s such a fucking gentleman. Just give him some time he’ll figure it out.”


    • immoralgables
      on October 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm
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      ” or I build enough comfort via txting that she’ll come over or be up for a bullshit “date” where we just grab a drink and head to one if our places to bang.”

      YaReally do you have any resources or advice on how to get better at texting? I usually say too little so I don’t shoot myself in the foot as I have done plenty of times in the past and I’d rather err on the side of caution.

      But it’s a part of my game that is fundamentally lacking. I try pushing the boundaries here and there and can do fine once a girl and I have been fucking. I would still like to get better at using texting in the same way you describe. I’ve read some of your comments in the past about it and feel like I’m coming up a bit short.

      If it’s something that I’ll get better with through experience then no worries.


      • YaReally
        on October 14, 2012 at 6:46 pm
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        Don’t worry, most guys suck ass at txting lol Usually the “say as little as possible” rule is good to follow, just because a lot of guys will shoot themselves in the foot because they suck. But I’ve been doing this for a while, so even when I txt really long txts I’m still following basic PUA principles (leading, escalating, teasing, spiking her buying temp, causing drama, etc.). I’m pretty much running my real life verbal game via txt. I text fully proper too, punctuation and capital letters and no “u?” or “y?” shit…I don’t care if it makes them think I’m too invested, I was raised to type proper lol

        Here’s the fastest training method I’ve found to get good at text game:

        1) Make a FAKE profile on a free dating site like Plenty of Fish. Google for a pic of a dude who looks similar to you in terms of looks ’cause online girls will change their behavior based on your pic and the point of this is to get a realistic grasp of game, not rack up a bunch of girls you can’t even meet up with because you aren’t the Superman you used in your profile pic lol

        2) Grab a fake E-Mail address too. Ideally if you can arrange a fake phone number, that’s a bonus, just ’cause you’re going to crash and burn a bunch and you might not want your real full name coming up in these conversations lol But don’t worry about the phone # if that’s too much trouble, you can do it all by E-Mail and/or an instant messenger prog.

        3) Message a fuck-ton of girls, doesn’t matter what they look like or how hot they are. Message the ones that don’t have pictures even. Doesn’t matter, all you care about is that you have a bunch lined up to practice on. Pick a pretty non-offensive opener, you just need to get into the convo, even a gay one about the weather.

        4) Now the important part: Turn every conversation sexual as fast as possible. Literally try to turn it sexual after her first response. Take ANYTHING she says, and figure out a way to turn it into her hitting on you, something to do with sex, or something to do with the two of you having sex in the future. Check out her profile for topics you can bring up to turn sexual too. Doesn’t matter if it’s direct and in her face or if it’s self-depreciating and not serious at all…all that matters is that the conversation gets sexual and she knows you have a penis.

        You’ll lose a LOT of girls at this stage until you get the calibration down lol A method I use is to drop some innuendo and then follow it up with a boring plain question. That way if she ignores the innuendo and just answers the plain question, I know she’s not thinking sexual yet and I have a lot of work to do…if she riffs off the innuendo and then answers the plain question, I know I can escalate more and keep the conversation going back and forth between sexual and comfort-building. If she just riffs off the innuendo and ignores the plain question, I can go super direct and get naked pics asap.

        her: “i’m a teacher”
        you: “hmm, remind me to try to get detention. ;) what do you teach?”

        If she responds with “i teach geography. what do you do?”, she’s cold still. Do a plain boring message or two, then drop more innuendo followed by a plain question again. You’re basically doing “two steps forward, one step back, rinse, repeat” like you would to disarm Last Minute Resistance in the bedroom (google it).

        If she responds with “lol careful i have a ruler and i’m not afraid to use it. ;) i teach geography, what do you do?” you respond with something that keeps the innuendo thread going but also keeps the plain thread going. So something like “uhoh, geography is my worst subject. Remind me to steal that ruler when you’re writing on the chalkboard…if I’m not too distracted by the view ;) lol I’m an investment banker. (blah blah insert some shit here) Do you actually skydive or did you just list that in your hobbies to sound like a badass?”

        The pattern is that you’re making sure to keep a sexual thread going and guaging how she responds to it. When she’s fully into the flirt, you can escalate more.

        5) Try to get naked pics lol or at least topless ones. Two catches: 1) do it without sending her any pics of yourself aside from your face, no pics of your wang or 6-pack or anything, do it purely with your words, and 2) do it in a day or two of conversation max. Don’t waste a week+ on this, you should only need one or two decent conversations to end up with some sexy pics. If you’re online have her E-Mail them to your fake E-Mail addy.

        Doesn’t matter if she’s ugly lol you can google porn if you just want to spank the monkey. The point of this is to get good at turning conversations sexual early on.

        6) When she’s horny, push for a meet-up at your place or hers, give her a fake address if she asks for your addy. No date, no drinks, no dinner, etc. just when she’s flirty enough, a “you should come over, what time are you off work?” type txt.

        Bail on her after she agrees to meet up. That’s all you were looking for, is her wanting to meet up. Give it an hour or two and then make up an excuse (say your ex-GF saw your profile online and got jealous and you guys talked and you’re getting back together) and wish her the best of luck and then never respond to her again (unless you want to practice gaming girls while having a GF, in which case you can respond again later and practice setting that frame up).

        7) Do the same thing with your normal real online profile, but stick to girls you’re actually attracted to. Push for a phone number soon as possible and do it all via txt if you can. Here’s how to get a # asap: Make her laugh, then add “txting on POF is gay lol what’s your #?”

        8) Apply the skills you gain from this to girls you actually get numbers from in real life.

        9) Apply it in real-time in real life when you’re talking to the girl, and prosper. :)

        If you need help with the innuendo mentality, watch a bunch of Russell Brand interviews, clips, movies, etc. and Californication. There’s a lot more to it, but you’ll learn a lot of it through practice. Good luck! :)


        • corvinus
          on October 14, 2012 at 9:32 pm
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          Interesting stuff. I could be better at the innuendo.


          • YaReally
            on October 16, 2012 at 10:29 am
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            Innuendo is powerful. My game is pretty verbal as opposed to physically caveman aggressive so I build a lot of attraction through innuendo, misinterpretation (in a sexual way) and role-playing/future-projection. It shows that you’re confident enough to expect to get away with it, that you aren’t afraid to cross social boundaries, and that you’re used to people reacting well to it…and of course it gets her hamster thinking about you two in a sexual light.

            You’ll find the more you do it the more you notice patterns and run into certain responses just like any other area of social interaction. I have a bunch of my own personal responses to stuff like “you’re funny” or “where are you from?” etc that turn those innocent questions into innuendo.

            A key thing to remember is that she doesn’t really give a shit about a logical answer. When she asks “what do you do?” she doesn’t REALLY care. She just doesn’t have anything more interesting to ask and she’s still feeling your vibe out for attraction, especially online or via txt. You can ANSWER the question, because it keeps the convo going, but throw in some innuendo first.

            Her: “so what do you do?”
            Most Guy’s Response: “I’m a dentist. You?”
            Her: “that’s cool…I’m a teacher.”
            MGR: “cool, that’s impressive.”
            zzzzz

            VS

            Her: “so what do you do?”
            Better Response: “blatantly flirt with cute blonde girls (if she’s blonde). I’m a dentist. There are oral jokes in there, but I’m too much of a gentleman to make them this soon lol what do you do?”
            Her: “lol that’s terrible!! I’m a teacher…”
            BR: “Then you’ll have to teach me some manners. It could require many late-night study sessions. ;) yes, I was the loud obnoxious one in class when I was a kid lol”

            Same conversation, same information exchanged, much better vibe for getting laid fast or getting naked pics. This is why I can get away with sending long txts, my txts are designed to build attraction instead of just killing time in the friend zone. When she reads my txts she gets the /\/\/\/ emotions she wants, VS most guys who’s txts are a flatline ——- of emotions.

            Her txt the next day after meeting her at the bar “what u doin?”

            Other guys: “just hanging out watching the game. How was the bar last night? Did you have fun?”

            Me: “rubbing one out to your Facebook photos. How was the bar last night? Did you get hammered and dance topless on the bar? Or am I the only one who does that? lol”

            Which txt sets a sexual frame and spikes her emotions? My txt has more words, but there’s a purpose to them.


      • walawala
        on October 15, 2012 at 11:06 am
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        If you game a girl and get her number, then text game should consist of very simple outreach.

        A girl I met at a party, I followed all the gaming routines and rules here.

        The first time she was supposed to meet up to hang out, she texted to cancel because she was “sick”.

        I waited until 10 minutes after we were supposed to me and replied:

        “Oh. just got this. next time we meet up, you’re buying”

        That got it going.

        From there, when I met her, I’d game her.

        Then I’d usually text one word or two words. Often stuff that didn’t make any sense.

        She is Korean, so I’d just text “Juche”—the North Korean survivalist strategy. makes no sense. She thought it was hilarious.

        Finally, after about 9 months of this back and forth….she came over on a lay over not wearing any underwear and banged my brains out.

        But I had at least 4 other girls on the go.

        So now with texting, i usually start with “Ok, question, strawberries or chocolate?” Whatever they answer, I reply with : -5, xxx is sexier.

        “Heels or Flats” if she replies “heels” + 5 is my reply.

        So…it gets to be quite easy with practice.

        The problem in the beginning isn’t the length of texts, it’s hoping, wonder, thinking whether the girl will respond. When you start thinking like this, your coolness goes out the window and you start acting needy.


        • YaReally
          on October 16, 2012 at 11:18 am
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          “The problem in the beginning isn’t the length of texts, it’s hoping, wonder, thinking whether the girl will respond.”

          Yup. Or worrying about “is what I say going to keep the conversation going?” more than “how is what I’m saying making her feel at this moment?”

          It’s Friday night, 8pm-ish. Some girl you met last weekend is pre-drinking with her GFs and they’re all shooting out txts to guys they know to find a party or have some orbiters chase them around all night to stroke their egos

          You receive: “hey babe my girls and i are drinking wine lol what r u doing tonight?”

          You can respond like most guys: “hey sexy, I’m out with my boys. Where are you going tonight? Maybe I’ll drop by and have a drink”

          Or you can respond with: “eat shit”, which will get the “????” response and 30 min later you send “just kidding I love you. I’m at BarName tonight you girls should come.”

          Which text got the party of girls talking about the guy for 30 min and obsessing over why he’d send something like that and is he an asshole or is he legit mad at something or etc etc hamster doing acrobatics in the wheel…followed by relief that it was a joke and the entire group of girls all varying in emotion from “that was so funny we were so dumb to worry whew” to “what an asshole you shouldn’t date that guy he’s a jerk lets go bitch him out for treating you so mean!!” etc.

          The first guy sends his txt thinking “I hope she responds!! Should I have used a smiley face? Omg it’s been 5 min and no response…maybe I should txt her again? Was I rude? Maybe I should tell her I had fun last week and can’t wait to see her again…”

          The second guy sends his txt thinking “lol I’m so awesome.” and doesn’t really give a shit when she txts back or if he’s destroyed the sarge with his txt etc. he knows he’ll turn it around.



Great Scenes Of Game In The Movies

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PA
on October 12, 2012 at 9:43 am
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I read Le Chateau for two things: original material (including gems like “they never shop paying for their obedience”) and Whorefinder’s comments.

Say what you will about PC, but the Overton Window has been moving rightward since about 2008; in the underground for now, but everyone alive today is one foot in the official narrative and one foot in dissident facts.


  • Anon
    on October 12, 2012 at 4:23 pm
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    1- (YHW)H
    2- King A
    3- GBFM
    4- Whorefinder
    5- Uh
    6- Yareally
    7- Greg Eliot


    • Anon
      on October 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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      Everyone who hasn’t read a substantial amount of posts by those commenters during the last few years, should learn to shut the fuck up because he doesn’t know shit.


      • Greg Eliot
        on October 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm
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        Looks like I get the Horst Buchholz role in the remake of The Magnificent Seven… sigh… I was hoping for at least the Brad Dexter.

        I relish the inclusion, nonetheless.


        • YaReally
          on October 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm
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          Obscure references like that are why you are blow me.



Why Women Have A Sixth Sense

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YaReally
on October 11, 2012 at 12:38 am
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Intuition/sense/etc is just a combination of your Reticular Activation System picking up stuff relevant to you (ie – a girl avoiding creepy guys, a natural sensing the horny women in a room, poker player’s tells, etc), and your brain making a ton of little calculations and comparisons to previous reference experiences at a phenomenal rate so fast that you wouldn’t be able to break it all down calculation by calculation fast enough to do anything productive with it, so your brain just summarizes it in the form of a feeling.

Women are better at this in social interactions because they train more at it, from the second they get tits, and even before that, they’re forced to learn to read people’s intentions, motives, behaviors, etc. Men, especially these days with the Internet for communication and Warcraft to replace face to face social interaction, tend not to develop much of this. It’s not that they’re incapable, they just aren’t in social situations as much, especially ones that involve sexual intent. A really hot girl gets hit on in subtle ways by practically every guy in her vicinity, even just going to the grocery store, whether it’s a blatant “hey baby” or as subtle as a cashier being extra friendly or men losing track of their conversation as she walks by or a beta male walking down an aisle at the grocery store just to look at her and hope she opens him.

But it’s a learned skill. Girls generally have a head start but if you go out and expose yourself to tons of social interactions, you’ll develop the same sense they have.

Say a decently attractive girl has around 5 interactions a day where she has to determine someone’s intentions (even if it’s the gay shitty flirting like a bus driver chatting her up, co-worker guy being extra friendly, etc.). On the weekend stack another 20 because she goes to the bar. She’s at 55 a week, 26,400 in 10 years and most of these are based around sexual intent.

If you went out 4 nights a week for a year and opened 10 sets a night, that’d be 1,920 new reference experiences in a year. Do that for 10 years and you have 19,200 reference experiences under your belt.

The average guy probably goes out what, once a month? And talks to MAYBE 1 new stranger a night if that? In 10 years that’s 120 reference experiences interacting with new strangers and learning their intentions and to read them etc.

Then when you throw in the person’s own intent, ie – for women this stuff is just in the background subconscious survival, for the average guy he’s not even remotely thinking about his interactions, and a PUA is specifically going out TO study these things and break down every interaction he has in Field Reports and work out kinks in his game and learning to read women’s sexual signals, etc., you can end up with situations where PUAs are better at “female intuition” than most girls are, which is the case for myself and most of the guys I know who have a lot of experience with women. Those women are 10 steps ahead of most guys but we’re 10 steps ahead of them…the best part is that because people view “female intuition” as some kind of magic sense only women have, they can’t even comprehend that we could be out-thinking them and that just makes it even easier. And because they can’t figure out how we keep being ahead of them, the frustration and challenge makes them attracted to us.

This is why we stress going out. You can read all the Manosphere blogs and Mystery Method and YaReally comments you want, but you will NEVER rack up a serious level of social experience if you aren’t going out regularly and purposely approaching.



YaReally
on October 11, 2012 at 12:56 am
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I wonder what kind of a man this boy will turn out to be?:



walawala
on October 11, 2012 at 9:29 am
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This is why women shit test. These shit tests usually come out the minute they feel some tinge of attraction and don’t know what to do with it.

Here’s a transcript of a series of whatsapp texts with a hot 21 year old I met at OK Cupid I was gaming her, things are progressing.

Me: Ok, let’s go xxxxx for cocktails.

Her:Too soon. I am tired of these.

Her: Men just want to get me into their bed

I’m thinking….wtf….we’re chatting and it goes from cool to batshit crazy.

Me: hahah don’t flatter yourself

Her: Why don’t you just ask for shagging instead of taking me out. I’m telling the truth

Me: Because I want you to buy the first round.

By this time I’ve gone from confused, to just seeing where this is going to lead…

Me And frankly I’m a bit picky

Her: Everyone just want a pussy or anything with hole. Pathetic

Me: Behave.

Me: Just when I thought you were cool you get all weird. Just for that, first too on you

Her: I’m sorry I’m so fucked up lately. And I had a horrible haircut. Now I feel like shit.

I wrapped it up with some more negs….

But this is how hot young women see themselves. Without understanding women’s intuition I would never have been able to hold my frame and have her apologizing.


  • YaReally
    on October 11, 2012 at 10:58 am
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    @walawala: When I make fun of all the Keyboard Jockeys around the Manosphere and refer to how few guys here actually go out and sarge, you’re one of the few guys I can tell is actually going out and working on his game. Props, dude, keep it up!

    Good recovery, that chick is a drama shitshow. Don’t get too attached, and expect your vehicle’s tires to be slashed if you pump ‘n dump her lol Some other shit you can drop in there to support your frame if she keeps testing it or if you get her to actually go out for a drink, is to play up the picky angle. Her rant is about how guys will fuck anything with a hole so she hasn’t met a guy with standards yet. She’ll fuck you on the first date though, if you can get a date, so that’s good.

    Personally, I would send her something like “I’m picky, i don’t have sex with girls I don’t have chemistry with in person. We’re going for drinks so I can make sure you’re not a psycho. Quite frankly, your weird out-of-nowhere rant about fucking holes has me questioning even going for drinks, but I know a lot is lost in translation over texting.” but I send longer text messages than most guys prefer to…so it’s probably enough for you to just keep that mentality in your head: You have standards, going for drinks isn’t for YOU to impress HER, it’s for HER to qualify to fuck YOU, and her weird bratty behavior is already turning you off.

    When you text her, ask yourself “is what I’m about to send congruent to this headspace?” So if she texts you with an “okay you can take me out for drinks but I’m not sleeping with you” (her setting the frame of you trying to impress her and she holds the key to sex), you know sending “great! I know this nice restaraunt you’ll like! It’s okay we don’t have to have sex, I just want us to get to know eachother!” (you accepting her frame/terms) isn’t as congruent to it as something like “don’t worry, I’m sure I’ll be crawling out the bathroom window when I see your horrible haircut lol” is (you keeping the frame of being in charge of whether you two have sex or not, and her needing to impress you).

    “These shit tests usually come out the minute they feel some tinge of attraction and don’t know what to do with it.”

    Essentially, yep…but I would tweak the last part a bit to say: Shit-tests come the minute they feel some tinge of attraction, as they try to throw themselves OUT of attraction. Their subconscious knows “oh shit, we started rolling down a hill toward fuck-town, quick, hit the brakes!!” and it tests you, hoping that you’ll fail the test, and it can go “HAH, see?? That guy was a chump, attraction over! Whew, we’re safe now…”

    That’s why when you pass shit-tests, the girl is even MORE attracted. Hell, some PUAs purposely goad the girl into shit-testing them either directly (saying controversial things) or indirectly (peacocking) just so they can pass the shit-tests and build attraction faster than if she didn’t test. The girl gets the same Buying Temperature spike of emotions and rush of adrenaline that she gets when she jams on the brakes and realizes they don’t work. “omg I’m so fucked, I don’t know how to stop this from happening!!”

    This is also why girls will watch out for eachother and the Mother Hen will fuck shit up for you. A girl who’s Buying Temperature is through the roof isn’t thinking rationally, so her friend will see that you’re owning all the girls’ shit-tests and that she’s going to end up fucking you, so the her friend will jump in and pull her away (“we have to go to the bathroom!!”) and get her away from you so that she can calm back down.

    This is a big part of why we isolate the girl from her group. It’s also why when you re-engage the girl later she may suddenly be cold or back to full bitch-mode with you, because she’s had time to regroup and come down from the emotional high and put her guard back up when you see her again.

    If you’ve ever wondered why the Mother Hen usually seems to be the unpleasant downer of the group, part of it is because as the skeptical asshole downer intent on having a miserable night, she’s less likely to get sucked into being attracted to you, compared to her bubbly happy birthday-girl or bachelorette friend that she’s protecting.

    You can actually see a good shot of this in action in this super old PUA clip with analysis:

    He purposely pushes the routine too far for the video and spikes the girls’ BT too high, too fast, to the point where they can’t even form words, so they have to run away so they can calm down. We call this “frying her circuits” and it usually results in losing the sets so you want to be aware of when it’s about to happen so you can pull back and bring her back down a bit so she’s attracted, but not so attracted that her defenses kick in.



Snoeperd
on October 11, 2012 at 10:07 am
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Damn i had to cry when i saw the gamers reaction to a guy having fun at a convention; why do all nerds have to be white knights and defend those poor innocent (cough!) women; its not like theyre getting any pussy…..pathological altruism at its best

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.390353-This-kind-of-behaviour-at-cons-Eurogamer-KSI?page=12#15711642


  • YaReally
    on October 11, 2012 at 11:18 am
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    wow I read their comments before seeing the video and I was expecting the video to be some totally awkward creeper weirding girls out…

    Everything went better than expected. That guy was awesome. Really alpha body language and great voice tonality…he uses a lot of “breaking rapport” commanding/challenging voice tone that a lot of newbies don’t use…British people in general use a lot of this tone, where their questions sound more like statements/accusations. Over here in North America a lot of guys use? that voice tone? where your voice? goes up at the end? that dries up vaginas because it sounds approval seeking even if they’re spitting out gold.

    “umm I have a boyfriend.”
    “What if I killed him?”
    “ummm I’d probably be grieving for quite a while…”
    “Then you’d be fine?”
    “uhh you never know–”
    “Alright it’s a date then.”

    lol’ed and probably going to steal that.



Did Obama Have Game?

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YaReally
on October 10, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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Politicians need game. It’s just not necessarily seduction-focused. But the same comfort/rapport, eliciting values, body language, tonality, etc skills that land women land job interviews, handle debates, and encourage voters to choose you. There are a lot of good stories about Clinton’s eye-contact and memory/rapport skills around the net. Business types benefit from this stuff too, like Steve Jobs’ “reality distortion field” (which is really just intense frame control).

Really, every man benefits from learning some basic game, across all categories of his life. It’s why I don’t have much patience for people who stereotype PUAs as just out for one-night stand pussy…they’re simply displaying their ignorance and shallow understanding of a concept that’s far more all-encompassing than they could probably comprehend without experiencing it first-hand (which they never will).



“I didn’t need game to land my wife”

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Mr Average
on October 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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A lot of guys have “naturally” high status (like a great job or money), good looks, or are funny already and don’t need as much game to land a decently cute girl. Game helps you when you want to aim for girls who would otherwise be out of your league.

I know for a fact that a lot of the ‘gurus’ in the community used to get hot girls before they got into game and game has simply allowed them to get more of those women or get those women on their own terms.


  • YaReally
    on October 9, 2012 at 7:15 pm
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    A lot of guys get into game, even if they’re good with women, simply to have choice. Most Naturals don’t actually have any choice…they wait for ioi’s from the girl and act on the girls that they know will be responsive. They get laid a lot, but it’s not with girls that they really want unless that girl gives them the green light first.

    Game is primarily about giving guys choice. You see a girl you want, and you approach with a solid set of tools for getting her.



Loved and Loving
on October 9, 2012 at 3:40 pm
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NACALT. Not all cases are like that.
There is one small, but very important exception. Actually, three.
1. A no game man can get a good woman if he’s established by society as her senior/superior/authority figure. Think teachers – naughty, naughty students dynamics. ;)
I know two women in my small circle who fell for this. One student (a very hot, but decisively slutty girl – 8 in looks, 10 in breasts, LOL) was landed by an omega person (ugly, no game, feminine face). Relationship. Second one, not as hot as the first (7,5), but monogamous, landed a beta male, who was her teacher and who possessed one alpha trait (sense of humour, with no negging her). Married.

2. If a beautiful woman has been berated by other women and shunned because of character (I’ve known quite a few like these) – for example, being introvert, shy, weird, too conservative, too smart, too stupid, etc. She may have self-perceived SM status lower than her actual one – thus land with a man she considers equal, but who’s actually below her. This depends on how her parents treated her, too.
3. Competition with other women. Now you may say “Only alpha men get competed for” but this is not exactly the case. Real life example – hot girl cares not for a beta man who swoons over her – until his vicious harp of an ex-GF enters the picture. You see, she had decided to leave him, but in the wrong time – she’d just hit 35 years old . She lived a little time alone, realised her options with other men were zero, and decided to turn back to the provider she had left. Oops! He’s chasing another girl, 23, a hot one. Ex-GF makes the fatal mistake of declaring war with her for the beta man, berating her, showering her with venom, etc. Hot girl defends herself with counter-offence – fight for the man! – if another woman wants him so much, there must be something to him, after all. Kaboom. Romance blossoms, hot girl gets beta male, they marry. Happily ever after. :) **
*It wouldn’t be happily ever after in your society. Here, it’s possible. Provider traits are still “in fashion” here, because of our poor economics. We EE women are known for our gold-diggery. ;)
*Oh, and it helped that he has a 9 inch sword. Just saying. ;)


  • jadoescher
    on October 9, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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    There’s still game in there, dude. Maybe he didn’t have game that you saw or recognized, but its still there. The teacher with a sense of humor landing a hot former student? Teacher/authority figure game. Not PUA tactic stuff, but its still a form of game

    Your example in number 3? Ex girlfriend, pre-selection game. He had to have at least some game, or a lack of anti-game.

    It’s all game.


    • Stuki
      on October 9, 2012 at 10:56 pm
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      Game becomes a pretty meaningless term if you simply define it as absolutely anyone has ever done, that results in him getting laid. For the term to have meaning, it has to be narrowed beyond that. Mick Jagger could probably receive multisome BJs by simply passing out drunk in front of a clique of girls, but while doing so may well signal aloofness, calling it game really waters down the term.

      Doesn’t it make more sense to define game as something along the lines of conscious behaviors directed specifically at getting laid, where said behaviors are informed by either evo-psych, or heuristics derived from informed trial and error by other game aware men?


      • YaReally
        on October 9, 2012 at 11:35 pm
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        Mick Jagger being passed out drunk while dressed like a homeless man in a country where they don’t know him or how famous he is with no friends around him is not going to get the same result as Mick Jagger passed out in a strip club in Vegas after buying tables of $5000 vodka for his band who’s all causing a scene.

        You’re looking at it from too far back, you need to drill deeper to explain why the same act (passing out drunk) gets two different results. In that deeper drilling is where you’ll find game concepts being applied consciously or unconsciously.

        Think of it like this: at first people thought peacocking was wearing a crazy outfit. It got attention in a regular bar. So the logic was “peacocking = crazy outfit = getting attraction”. But through drilling deeper we found that if EVERYONE is dressed crazy, then the person peacocking is the person dressed in plain jeans and a t-shirt at a party full of people in fuzzy hats or suits or whatever. So if in the fuzzy hat party, the fuzzy hat is no longer getting attraction and the casual shirt and jeans gets attraction there when it wouldn’t at a plain-clothed event, we can’t say the fuzzy hat is attractive. We have to drill peacocking down to the concept of “appearing different from the rest of the people around you”. NOW we have a concept we can apply across the board with consistent results…the 4’5″ guy is peacocking by default when he walks into a room just because of his height. So is a white guy in a black people’s bar. So is the guy wearing a suit to a dive bar or rocker clothes to a formal event. All of these will get attention which will lead to shit-tests which will spark attraction.

        LandL is doing the same thing with his shitty examples. “They met. Here’s one vague event I’m focusing on that supports my theory. Married.” Like, really? Nothing happened between them meeting and getting married? You don’t think if we drilled down into their day to day lives we’d find any significant events between meeting and getting married? The guy who “never negs” hasn’t once in X number of years teased his girl in any way? You’ve been in their life and in their bedroom watching all this time?

        Of course that’s ridiculous. You’re just giving a complex thing (human interaction) too wide a scope because either you don’t really understand game or dissecting an interaction to such a deep level is too much mental work for you.

        Show me any pickup, conscious or unconscious, and I’ll break down a dozen little bits of game going on under the surface that most people won’t see. A lot of naturals game completely unconsciously too, they don’t realize that a lot of what they’re doing is triggering attraction. So you’d be saying a natural who gets laid by hundreds of girls but is just being himself (outgoing, loud, leading his group, naturally dominating the people around him etc) doesn’t have game or isn’t using any game. That’s silly.


        • Stuki
          on October 10, 2012 at 2:28 pm
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          I would certainly say someone who completely unconsciously happen to look like Brad Pitt, does not “use” game. “Got game” may be a bit wider and less precise. But to back propagate from “got laid” to “got game” doesn’t really help much in determining the actions that consistently leads to above average quality and quantity of lays.

          The problem I have with widening the definition to include anyone who ever got laid, is that it creates a situation similar to the one where people look for lifting advice from someone who just happens to have the genetics to get gigantic from curling beer pints and pizza slices.

          For game to be worth bothering with, it’s advice should at a minimum be universal enough to be teachable, and “using game” should be employing this advice, for the specific end of getting laid. “Be a filthy rich Italian Billionaire, a Rock Star, or some Mongol dude who rules the known world” will get you laid, but it is not my idea of “using game.”

          And neither is being a girl scout team leader, accidentally walking into a social venue surrounded by a platoon of nubiles, even though the end effect is the same as consciously applying game to make sure one enters the venue with girls, in a conscious effort to display preselection.


          • YaReally
            on October 10, 2012 at 6:15 pm
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            “but it is not my idea of “using game.””

            You can define shit however you want. I’m going to call the moon a banana from now on. In the meantime the rest of us will continue using the widely accepted definitions we’ve been using, instead of nerding out on nuances that don’t really matter.



fakeemail
on October 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm
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Hey, I think the girls in the second photo is cute. I’d take her over those beer skanks any day.


  • Anon
    on October 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm
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    Beta hamster in overdrive.


    • corvinus
      on October 9, 2012 at 4:55 pm
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      Tell me about it.


      • William
        on October 9, 2012 at 6:03 pm
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        “silly little girls” ?
        “bar skanks” ?

        Hamsters are going strong


        • Nicole
          on October 9, 2012 at 8:44 pm
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          Maybe, but the fake smiles they’re wearing are indeed indicative of skankitude. Maybe it was just a bad moment, but some guys are sensitive to that sort of thing. Otherwise, they are hot, but if a guy needs hot + not going to poison him slowly with antifreeze while playing the martyr wife of a terribly sick man, he’s going to stay away from a girl who bares her teeth rather than smiling.


          • YaReally
            on October 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm
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            I like when people who are unsuccessful at something have to tear down people who are successful at it to avoid the ego crash of admitting they don’t have the skill, willpower, ability, or potential to be as successful at that something.

            The same thing happens to entrepreneurs who work their ass off and become rich. All the shitty lazy people around them start talking shit about how evil and money-hungry they must be or how lonely and sad they really must be inside.

            Same thing happens when someone gets in shape or buys a new car or pretty much anything.

            Guess what: it’s possible to be hot, rich, successful, intelligent, and happy as fuck. It’s just not possible for you, because you’d rather waste your time tearing down people who succeed instead of learning from them and applying yourself.

            It’s also possible to find a girl who’s hot, intelligent, down-to-earth, etc. It’s just that we have to sift through the hordes of shitty girls with negative attitudes (encouraged by society), to find them.

            Why are there so many chicks wasting space in the comment section these days? Jesus.



Phillip
on October 9, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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I see it’s definitely a problem here the variety of definitions of ‘game’. Some people simply see game as social skills. Well, no shit, you need a degree social skills to get women. It is the techniques described in the PUA literature that most people refer to as ‘game’, and the central thesis of PUA is the necessity of becoming a so-called ‘bad boy’ to get women.


  • YaReally
    on October 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm
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    You can be anti-social and still have game and be alpha and attractive. Climbing a mountain or traveling alone to foreign countries or building a business from scratch are all things that will help most guys gain a handful of alpha male qualities and give them some game skills (leadership, confidence, social proof, discipline, not taking shit, feeling high-value, etc).

    It’s just that those methods beat around the bush of game (witness the mountain man or CEO or bodybuilder who’s a badass and girls are into him but he lacks social skills or seduction skills or is a Nice Guy and doesn’t get laid) whereas going out to “sarge” jumps right into the middle of the bush and trains you in a way that gets you the fastest, most targeted, easiest results. Plus it’s fun (unlike running a business) and you’re not likely to die doing it (like falling off a mountain).

    All PUAs have done is realized that working on your social skills is the most efficient route to being attractive to women. This is why we stress going out so much and why guys who aren’t climbing mountains or running businesses but who also only go out once every week or two for a few hours won’t get good and will give up on game. They’re doing nothing to obtain attractive traits.


    • Nicole
      on October 10, 2012 at 11:15 am
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      I don’t know, Yareally. The being bad ass in some way works very well without a dude saying a word on women who really like men, like to shag, and are up for it.

      Purim this year, I managed to pick the rock climber out of a group of guys standing around who don’t have any trouble talking to women. This is the Burning Man almost hippie except for the reserve duty etc. clique. Hot young booty everywhere, so I was pretty flattered that I had a shot, and probably wouldn’t have tried had I not been post breakup and figured I had nothing to lose.

      Having accomplished something important and/or facing one’s mortality regularly gives a man the right body language, which is, in my opinion anyway, much more important than the words.

      So even though I agree that the social skills are important, I’d recommend backing that up with activities scarier and riskier than getting rejected by a girl. Besides, no gym can do for your body what hanging off the side of a cliff face will. I don’t know if women really notice above our necks, but I and I think others notice below the navel.


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 1:12 pm
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        “So even though I agree that the social skills are important, I’d recommend backing that up with activities scarier and riskier than getting rejected by a girl.”

        Why do more than you need to? If you like climbing mountains, cool, go have a blast, but if you can land the turbo 10s with just social skills why bother risking your life?

        What have you done, as a woman encouraging men to endanger themselves to impress you, that’s in any way equivalent or makes you enough of a catch that a guy should bother putting in that much work to get you? It’s not enough that we have to learn social skills, now you want us hanging off the side of mountains? And what are you doing while we do this, making the world a better place? Curing cancer? Or are you watching Honey Booboo and eating McDonalds? lol


        • Nicole
          on October 10, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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          Hey…hey hey, I’m just the fat old mare who went to the petting zoo instead of the glue factory because of my cute, sad eyes. Besides, I was doing the Lord’s work (that was a joke, but it’s true that knocking boots on Purim is a blessed thing for Jews).

          I like them rough, and make no apologies for this. I’ve had my fair share of life endangering adventures, and still get out to where I can catch a scrape or snakebite every once in awhile. I like to think I do something good for this world, but whatever I mention will probably be minimized.

          Anyway, we just like what we like, same as men like what they like. Not every woman needs a super-masculine man. It’s just that having the power to match the attitude is helpful to one’s credibility.


          • YaReally
            on October 10, 2012 at 6:25 pm
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            I don’t have a response because I’m honestly not sure who you’re having a conversation with or why. I swear this conversation went basically:

            “This is how it works.”

            “Well actually, I recommend this instead…”

            “Why?”

            “Hey, woah, we all know I’m crazy okay? I’m not saying everyone likes these things, just me.”

            like…okay? We don’t really care that lumberjacks happen to make you, personally, wet. Maybe you need a LiveJournal to write about yourself in?

            [heartiste: welcome to nicole. it's her world. we're just living in it.]


          • YaReally
            on October 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm
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            Why don’t you just tell us the freaky shit you’re into instead of beating around the bush? You’re clearly dying to share and force it into conversations that have nothing to do with you anyway.

            Whenever girls tell me they’re too wild in bed for most men to handle, I’m always disappointed when I get them in bed and find out they thought being choked and slapped was hardcore lol



CavemanBro
on October 9, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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Dear CH,

I have a hard (heh) time, figuring out what vocal/facial clues mean when it comes to talking to women, as well as not being able to create a decent conversation from a cold approach that goes on for more than 5 minutes and get her asking questions and stuff, since I am a laconic kind of guy I would go caveman and just ask her for her number right away and I kinda talk fast, what do? is there anything I can do to help this?

Ooga booga,

-Caveman

p.s. opening and getting the number is easy, getting them to text back or make them meet me again is the problem :(


  • YaReally
    on October 9, 2012 at 6:54 pm
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    “figuring out what vocal/facial clues mean when it comes to talking to women”

    Go out more, check out some body-language books/articles/videos, etc. Make an effort to learn “girl code” VS just stumbling in and groping random chicks and crossing your fingers.

    “not being able to create a decent conversation from a cold approach that goes on for more than 5 minutes”

    Go out more, and write down some routines in advance to use or stories to tell from your life. Write down some questions to ask every girl you meet, even if they’re shitty questions as long as you can learn to play off the answers in a flirty way they’ll be fine. Take an improv class so you learn to think on your feet, lots of PUAs take them.

    “and get her asking questions and stuff”

    Go out more, and read up on push/pull theory by Swingcat and Mystery’s cat-string theory. Also read up on making her qualify herself. Then consciously apply this stuff.

    “I would go caveman and just ask her for her number right away”

    You’ll get a bunch of numbers…that will all flake on you. lol You’re avoiding doing any actual work or learning any actual game or taking any risks by just barelling in and going for a number ASAP so you can scurry off into the shadows and avoid risking a rejection…the problem is you don’t build any comfort/rapport and she ends up not giving a shit about meeting up with you again or being interested in you.

    “and I kinda talk fast, what do?”

    Go out more, and consciously focus on talking slower in your conversations.

    “p.s. opening and getting the number is easy, getting them to text back or make them meet me again is the problem :(

    Go out more, and read up on building comfort/rapport, I recommend looking up Juggler’s stuff on this. Consciously practice using it in the field.

    Also check out stuff by Brad Branson, you probably have a similar personality to him with being a man of few words so his stuff might resonate with you.

    Good luck!


    • CavemanBro
      on October 9, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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      So i guess the answer is, go out more? …..this will take a lot more work than i thought


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 12:00 am
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        It always does. They just don’t tell you that in the marketing for the same reason everyone buys the “lose 30lbs in 1 week without doing a single sit-up and eating chocolate cake!!” diet book instead of the “lose 1lb a week over a long period of time in a healthy lifestyle changing way that takes work and effort.”

        But if you want it bad enough, you’ll get there. ;)


    • CavemanBro
      on October 9, 2012 at 11:10 pm
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      ALSO:

      Dafuq is up with dem bitches that when I open them, they almost ALWAYS have closed body language, like crossed arms and shit. What if I was legit lost and I really needed directions…

      maybe i should shave….


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 12:05 am
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        You’re scaring/intimidating them with your approach style and lack of calibration (aka sensitivity to how they’re feeling in the moment and adapting your vibe to make them comfortable).

        You’re like a bull in a china shop playing a numbers game lol it’s the ART of seduction. Go out more and pay attention to how she’s feeling. If she’s stand-off-ish, tone it down a bit and acknowledge that you came in too hard. Don’t approach from the front, soften your voice, guage the energy level of her and her group and come in just slightly higher energy than them instead of way over the top or way under.


        • pantyfx
          on October 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm
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          If you guys put the same amount of effort into designing sexbots you wouldnt need to fucking calibrate and butttouch your way into a conversation in the first place. The market would properly reprice itself.

          You dont realize how absolutely zero fucking effort girls put in to be who they are. Its a fucking joke.

          Fuckity fuck fuck lololololol

          REALLY though.

          [heartiste: no one said reality was fair.]


          • YaReally
            on October 10, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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            Learning the calibration and butt-touching is fun. There are worse ways to spend your time than chatting up hot girls.

            If it was all just about getting an easy lay we could simply line up at your mom’s house. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. lol



Opus
on October 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm
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As you say, most women are middling but then so of course are most men. If it were the case that good looking women were difficult and ugly ones easy then you might have a point, but in my experience good looking ones are nicer and easier and ugly ones difficult and harder – but one can only date what is available and in the main the law of averages says that good looking girls are rare. Girls like the one in picture no 3 who have the advantage of being better made up and lit than the plain jane in picture no 2, so of course she looks better.

I remain to be convinced that the tactics of Game have any but the slightest effect on women’s desire. What you need is to be sufficiently young, good-looking and muscular – and then the right attitude helps. Girls swoon over Brad Pitt because he is or was all those things and not because of his tight game. If you are like Pitt women will fall into you lap; if you aren’t they won’t.


  • YaReally
    on October 9, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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    Imagine you’re poor or average income and live an average normal life working at a corporate career. Then you get invited to a party with celebrities and millionaires. You’re fucking mind-blown and the fact that these people are famous or have a bunch of money is enough to make them high-value to you.

    Now imagine you were born a billionaire and you’ve starred in a bunch of movies, and you’re invited to that same party. Ya, it’s cool that everyone is rich and famous too, but that external stuff is so commonplace in your world that it’s nothing mind-blowing. What’s mind-blowing is the internals of the other people…which people are confident and not afraid to express themselves around you, and which people have the same amount of money/fame but are hiding behind a facade that you see all around you every day associating with people who think their money/fame is enough to make them high-value.

    This is a big part of why super hot turbo girls don’t care much about looks/money/etc.. They’re SURROUNDED by guys with 6-pack abs and blowing thousands of dollars a night on bottle service and flying them places and shit. You coming along with that just means you’re in the same rat race for her attention as all those other guys, and all those other guys are probably better at that race than you.

    The catch is that the areas you can excel against those guys is in alpha qualities. Brad Pitt is attractive. But the guy Brad Pitt thinks is cool and looks up to, is even more attractive.

    I don’t think there’s a word for this concept in the PUA community, but it’s kind of like a breaking point where you hit an equilibrium…everything external suddenly becomes meaningless because everyone in the girl’s world has an excess of those external things, so she looks for different criteria to decide what’s attractive.

    The guy who’s underdressed at a tuxedo event is just as peacocked as the guy who’s wearing a tuxedo on a casual night. It’s all relative to your surroundings/environment and the other people in it.

    This is why you’ll see a lot of smokin’ hot girls willingly with “weird” guys, like artists and shit but the CEO guy has to pay/bribe the girls for their attention. Usually the artist guy is just a guy who’s got a really strong frame about the world around him, and is super passionate about his beliefs and expresses himself completely and doesn’t care what people around him think because he lives in his own reality. So that guy stands out in the girl’s world full of status-obsessed betas wearing alpha clothing.

    bla bla bla, the best way to see all this is to just go out a bunch. It’s all right there in front of you.


    • ImmoralGables
      on October 9, 2012 at 6:49 pm
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      Damn didn’t see you posted as I scrolled down on my phone but not surprised haha.

      To expand on what you said and to rebut the OP:

      Go to those high end social events and act unimpressed and get people to try to qualify themselves with their accomplishments.

      Make fun of the hot girl with the beta orbiters or treat her like you would a fat chick when she does something fucked up.

      Tell the high status artist or club owner something about his song or club that he could improve upon but do it from a point of view that you’re a critic and know what you’re talking about.

      Try doing these kinds of things and you’ll get the basic idea.

      In my public speaking class there is this sexy Asian whom always gets adorations and rarely gets critiqued when she receives feedback from her admirers. I’m one of the few that legit tells her where she fucks up and I don’t go out of my way to say hey to her every time unlike everyone else.

      If it came down to it. Who would she remember? Me or the fashionable, good-looking tool that kisses her ass like everyone else?


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 12:12 am
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        Yep, dead on. I do stuff like that all the time in high-value environments. Doing it will trip you out when you see people you thought of as super high-value basically begging for your validation when logically you’re a nobody compared to them.

        You also develop a sense for how comfortable with themselves people are under the public facade when you see how fast a lot of them seek external validation. There are smokin hot girls and rich buff dudes who are insecure as shit underneath it and panic when someone isn’t impressed by their external status. Same time there are smokin hot girls and rich buff dudes who are so comfortable with themselves that they don’t mind if you don’t like them because they know their worth. Guess which group are the high-value ones that make good girlfriends and buddies for your close social circles?


        • Anonymous
          on October 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm
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          This is the common statement that was repeated a lot when you were arguing with Xsplat who lived in a non-feminist culture. You at least inadvertently come across like every rich guy is insecure or buying bottle service instead of comparing oranges to oranges which would be a CEO with game vs a surfer dude with game.

          You’re living in a feminist environment where the CEO with equal game to a poorer dude is at a disadvantage.

          Young feminists cannot be bought. It’s their main identifying feature like hatred of men dating younger women is the main feature of older feminists.

          This “I can’t be bought” aspect of American feminism resonates, unfortunately, with the right wing as much as the left. It’s annoying because it causes men to not want to build civilization anymore. Thus this blog.

          In fact, in highly feminist American environments, being a CEO or having a lot of money will get you rejected faster than you can say “check please”.

          For awhile, hot women didn’t go anywhere near Silicon Valley and it wasn’t so much because of the reputation of techies for being nerds, but because of the culture that said women don’t need to find stable husbands nor dream anymore about a great house in the suburbs with a white picket fence and children.


          • YaReally
            on October 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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            “You at least inadvertently come across like every rich guy is insecure or buying bottle service”

            Not every, but the vast majority. It’s like bodybuilders or hot girls…ya, there are confident ones who are cool with themselves, but a lot of them are actually insecure deep down inside and doing what they do for the validation. I even knew a guy who chose to become a doctor (tons of schooling, debt, training, work, etc.) just because he thought it’d help him get girls. Deep down he wasn’t doing it for the right reasons.

            The problem with spending all your time focusing on getting rich is that you don’t have time to focus on your other shit. The guy riding the subway surrounded by people, and hanging out with his co-workers at happy hour, then meeting up with his friends for the night and heading home to his dorm is going to be better with women than the rich CEO who’s working 100 hour work-weeks at the office till midnight driving around in his expensive 2-seater car to his mansion on the hill.

            “instead of comparing oranges to oranges which would be a CEO with game vs a surfer dude with game.”

            The reason this comparison doesn’t work is that equal game gets equal results, and that two guys never have equal game because there are too many factors involved. This is a silly argument generally brought up by Keyboard Jockeys who’d rather mentally masturbate about hypotheticals than go out in the real world and observe how often they run into a CEO and a surfer dude with the same amount of game.

            The only benefit the CEO’s money gives him is that he has easier access to certain types of girls, and that’s really only relevant if those types of girls are your type. ie – the CEO can afford bottle service in Vegas so he can surround himself by Vegas type girls and the surfer dude would be out of his element in that environment.

            But now put them on a beach with a bunch of chill down to earth girls and the CEO is the one out of his element while the surfer dude kills it.

            It’s just not worth the mental effort to bother stressing about.

            “You’re living in a feminist environment where the CEO with equal game to a poorer dude is at a disadvantage.”

            Yes, if I moved to a third world country where I could buy myself a wife and lock her in the kitchen so no other men could interact with her, it would be different. But not everyone is a pussy lol

            “In fact, in highly feminist American environments, being a CEO or having a lot of money will get you rejected faster than you can say “check please”. ”

            It’s not relevant. This is theory. I know rich guys who do great with girls. Why do they do great? Because they don’t identify themselves or their worth by their money (an external attribute). Again why it’s silly to even waste mental energy on this stuff.

            Again, you have to dig deeper than you are. You’re still looking at surface level stuff.


    • Anonymous
      on October 9, 2012 at 7:22 pm
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      Consistently impressed with YaReally’s posts.


      • Spiralina
        on October 9, 2012 at 8:52 pm
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        YaReally is the real deal. I’m a woman (former “hot girl”) and everything he says rings true. There are loads of keyboard jockeys here posting stories about women that clearly come straight out of their imaginations, but he is talking about dynamics that actually exist in nightclubs and social groups.


        • YaReally
          on October 10, 2012 at 1:34 pm
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          Thanks for the props, all. Like I’ve said before, anyone who wants proof of the stuff I say just has to go out more and in time they’ll see it for themselves in action.

          I don’t subscribe to theories or hypotheticals, only what works…if I, and other PUAs, consistently found that money or looks made a difference with women, then I would be telling people to get rich and do sit-ups instead.


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 12:13 am
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        You should see my penis!



YaReally
on October 9, 2012 at 4:55 pm
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Well said. 100% agree. Some other points:

Ugly average girls and guys who don’t have a shot at getting the turbo hotties out of a nightclub whine about “those girls aren’t even hot and once the makeup is off they’re all hideous and ugly and their fake tits are gross and eww she has a tan what is she trying to be Snookie?” Plus those girls are obviously (to them) all drunk ditzy easy bar sluts that anyone can get etc etc. Generally these people don’t hang out with many very attractive women because their biases are based on stereotypes.

Do PUAs take down warpigs? Oh ya, there’s lots of that. Especially when you start out and you’ll take anything you can get for the sake of practice. But most PUAs, down the road, get bored of the average 6s and 7s and start purposely tightening their game up and going for the 9s and 10s. Hell I have to actively run anti-game when I talk to ugly girls because my flirting is so instinctual now that I have to consciously turn it off or I have to deal with them chasing me all night and scaring off better girls. Most PUAs generally get mostly 6-8s with the occasional <6 during dry spells or really drunk nights and a handful of 9s-10s. Compared to the average guy who gets primarily 4-6s with the occasional 7-8 and has never even TALKED to a 9-10 let alone banged one or had one as a fuckbuddy or relationship etc, that's pretty decent.

Two main factors for why PUAs aren't banging 10s constantly (despite the marketing) is that 1) we still get chickenshit approaching them. We're better equipped to handle them when we do approach but the adrenaline is going for us when we jump out of a plane as much as it is for other guys, tho we try to numb ourselves to it with exposure.

The other factor is that there just aren't that many 10s out there. Your shitty podunk little town doesn't have 10s. It might have a few really hot girls, and relative to the girls in that area they might be considered 10s, but they don't look like the girls you'll find in Vegas or high-end LA nightclubs. Most bars there'll be a ton of ugly, average and decent girls and maybe 2 or 3 legit turbo hotties that own the room, if that, on any given night.

Anyway, past around an 8 everyone's own taste gets involved and my 10 is your 8 and your 10 is my 8 so rating in detail gets a bit silly past that point. But we can all agree that the average anti-gamer isn't picking up girls like the last photo in the article and the anti-game women (hi, sue!) don't look like and don't have many (if any) friends who look like them either (and then they'll poll those average friends of theirs for their opinion on game concepts like anyone gives a shit what a 6 thinks of negs lol hi again sue)


  • Jason
    on October 10, 2012 at 4:42 am
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    “Your shitty podunk little town doesn’t have 10s. It might have a few really hot girls, and relative to the girls in that area they might be considered 10s…”

    The whole 1-10 rating scale is relative. It’s a sliding scale: grading on a curve. A mental-case 10 in Los Angeles is a mental-case 6 in Peoria. You know? They’re both top of the heap in their respective communities.


    • YaReally
      on October 10, 2012 at 1:52 pm
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      Oh I agree it’s kind of a dumb system. Especially when it’s super-simplified. Plus personality-wise, I like out-going, loud, energetic girls where someone else might like quiet, shy, laid-back girls, so again your 10 might be my 8 and my 10 might be your 8.

      The only reason we really used a system was for exchanging data in Field Reports.

      PUA History Lesson #34:

      In the old days of PUA Field Reports, a lot of us actually had 3 ratings…Her looks, her personality, and how she sees herself, out of ten.

      So a psycho drama-filled coke-head LA girl might be a 9/10 in looks, but a 2/10 in personality, and thinks she’s an 11/10. A down to earth, fun, average-looking girl might be a 7/10 in looks, but a 10/10 in personality, but is shy and thinks she’s only a 5/10.

      Her looks rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of how hot she was and how other people in the room would react to her and how difficult a set it was and why certain choices were made in which tactics to use etc. (a set of two turbo 10 who are peacocked and turn everyone’s heads just walking through the room, VS a lonely mousy 4 being un-noticed in a corner and probably having low self-esteem, etc.).

      Her personality rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of how into the girl he was, or why he treated her in certain ways or made exceptions to certain rules or altered his tactics as he got to know her (treating a 2 in personality like shit VS building a lot of rapport with a girl who turns out to have a 10 personality).

      Her “how she sees herself” rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of why certain tactics were used and consistent logic was broken…ie – you never neg a 6…unless she THINKS she’s a 10, then it’s fine. Or someone would be like “Dude that was a 10, you should have negged her.” but if she sees herself as a 6, then it’d fuck things up.

      Often this elaborate system only came up in unsual Field Reports where there was a need for clarification. If the girl was an 8 who looked and acted like an 8, there was no need to call her more than an HB8.

      A lot of the time now, guys simply subscribe to the binary system…She’s either a 0 (wouldn’t fuck her) or a 1 (would fuck her) lol



Turbo
on October 9, 2012 at 7:11 pm
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  • YaReally
    on October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am
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    Jesus. The body language in that photo dried up MY vag. “Aww shucks!” They could’ve ended the “here’s why” with just that pic.


    • taterearl
      on October 10, 2012 at 11:56 am
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      I’m reading a book about body language. If men had a better idea about that…it could cut out a lot of self defeating behavior.

      Slumped shoulders, palms up, insincere smile with lots of teeth…nothing projects an air of submissiveness.


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm
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        Even as a man, I would look at this guy and immediately have little respect for him and give him very little authority or value in my mind.

        It’s part of why I’m not intimidated at the bar by the body-builder or MMA guys or the Armani guys…a lot of them give off an air of confidence, and have badass tough-guy body language and you KNOW they could kick your ass or that they totally drive around in a Ferrari, and you really REALLY believe that they’re alpha and you can even pre-drink with them and talk about chicks and they’ll tell you all their badass stories about all these hotties they’ve banged and they’ll talk big about how they can’t wait to “pick up some bitches” and “get some pussy” that night as you guys head to the bar…

        …and then once they’re actually IN the bar and you put a hot girl in front of them or try to get them to approach, they’re standing there with a drink up at their chest looking around nervously, shoulders slumped and looking like this guy. The paper tiger revealed for what it is…seen this time and time again, and these guys have NO idea how much their body-language is giving away about their internal thoughts/feelings/self-worth. :)



shiva1008
on October 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm
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Women are human too. They need male attention. If men start only rewarding good behavior then they will start to come around. Unfortunately PUAs do nothing to discourage bitchy behavior from women, they just feed them the attention they crave and make them worse.


  • YaReally
    on October 10, 2012 at 12:28 am
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    We have no interest in fixing a fucked up society, we simply learned to be profitable within it. In fact you could argue that we don’t WANT women’s behavior to change because then we would have more competition since the beta schlubs with no game would have a shot as opposed to being stuck on the sidelines watching us own it.

    http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/putin-gun.jpg?w=588



Opus
on October 10, 2012 at 5:12 am
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I am going to tell you why Game is a non-existent entity.

Where does it derive from? Probably Neil Strauss’ book. And where did he get it from? Probably Eric Berne and Transactional Analysis, and he acknowledges the influence of Stephen Potter who wrote books with the titles Lifemanship and GAMEsmanship, but those books were not meant to be taken seriously, any More than Ovid’s Art of Love from 1BC was meant to be taken seriously but these are the forbears of Game. If Game really existed isn’t it curious that there is no Socratic dialogue on the subject; isn’t it strange that neither Augustine nor Kant (who both had a lot to say about lieing) never mentioned it. Indeed no one mentioned it until this millienium. Don’t you think that rather strange?

Game, such as it is, is merely applying ordinary tit for tat and the like to women, but in the main if you are like Brad Pitt, women are going to throw themselves at you and for that you need looks, youth and a few muscles.

The real problem with Game is this: that it is like religious belief. You will change if you sincerely believe. You did not change? Then you did not really believe. The same is true of Game. You did not score with that woman – you were not applying game properly. You did score, then you were applying Game. I say that is pooppycock. Given the amount of effort he puts in the success rate of Krauser is pathetic. If he had youth looks and muscles he would put in a fraction of the effort and time and do a lot better. Of course he does better than most, but his effort belies the claims of the efficacy of Game.


  • FuriousFerret
    on October 10, 2012 at 5:25 am
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    Opus,

    I don’t think you really fully understand how many men anti-game. In the presense of a hot girl, men will constantly act in the stupidest ways possible. If you were a never that much of loser around women, you probably don’t realize how bad this really is.

    I believe that looks mean NOTHING when anti-game is involved. I am a pretty decent looking guy. I look like a bigger version of Beck Hansen and I got IOIs all the time and I consisently fucked it up so so hard. I mean so hard that I eventually got skittish as hell.

    Getting rid of anti-game is the single best thing that you could ever do in terms of getting with women. It’s just like weight lifting and the McDonald Principle.

    When you start out from being a guy that has never lifted weights, you are usually a fat, soft, marshmellow with shitty muscle mass and no definition. However the first year that you put in hard work at the gym and lift, the gains are enormous RELATIVE to where you started. You are no where near the gym rats with huge muscles, but at the end of a year you have normal body fat percentage and decent muscularity .

    Now to go the next level and gain even more muscle, it takes twice the work. You have to learn about nutrition, learn the proper form, learn different work out routines. Each pound of muscle becomes that much harder. So to actually achieve that jacked look is extremely hard and takes years of dedication with the right training. Those are the guys that everybody looks up to in the gym.

    It’s the same with game:

    Year 1 – Anti-game gets sifted out and you get experience in using active game and you improve massively however you are no where near the experienced players and getting to level that constantly brings consisent results that years of practice and dedication.


    • YaReally
      on October 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm
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      “I don’t think you really fully understand how many men anti-game. In the presense of a hot girl, men will constantly act in the stupidest ways possible. If you were a never that much of loser around women, you probably don’t realize how bad this really is.”

      Yep. I have a couple of friends who WANT to get girls, but they don’t listen to my advice because they’re still clinging to the Nice Guy mentality (you HAVE to answer every txt she sends you, not answering would be rude and playing too many mind-games! okay there…). I routinely throw girls at them or watch them interacting with girls when we’re out and it’s just mind-blowingly frustrating to watch. They’re good looking dudes with a lot going for them, and they’re even really social guys, they just don’t understand seduction.

      So I’m constantly watching girls they know running up and hugging them and flirting with them while they do absolutely nothing about it. They don’t get her phone number, they don’t touch her, they don’t escalate, they don’t try to isolate her, they say and do things that turn her off…it’s so bad that it’s actually funny to me some nights even though it frustrates me to watch.

      These are guys you would probably think do fine with girls if you saw and met them, but they just ooze anti-game…and then I gotta listen to them bitch at the end of the night about “remember that girl?? she was so cute, wow” “did you make out with her?” “no…” “did you get her number?” “no…I got her Facebook though…” AWESOME. lol

      Like, these guys would have to undo most of this bad wiring before they could even BEGIN to start re-wiring themselves. I know because I had to do it, and I had a higher climb than these guys because I started out way worse than most people. It took me over a year to weed out the anti-game in me…I saw results during the first year, because I was going out a lot, but I was dropping the ball CONSTANTLY left and right lol

      People don’t realize how long a journey seriously learning PUA really is.



Adam
on October 10, 2012 at 9:54 am
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  • Greg Eliot
    on October 10, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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    The so-called ‘bemused’ alpha seemed to be blinking a lot… I would have been more impressed if he merely rolled his eyes and made that “yak yak yak” motion with his hand as she was spieling off the “I’m offended”s.


    • Lara
      on October 10, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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      His bemused smile was pretty good. She was really trying to shame him, but he seemed to handle it well.


      • YaReally
        on October 10, 2012 at 6:35 pm
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        Fucking lol’ed through the whole thing…that smirk on his face is great. You can practically see him thinking “fuck she talks a lot…but I’d still bang her.” Would love to have seen his response.



Balancing Sexual Pluralism

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YaReally
on October 9th, 2012 at 10:00 am
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http://www.funpedia.net/imgs/feb12/soon-meme-15.jpg

Also, I agree with King A. Bailing and hiring desperate 3rd world prostitute poon (“allowance” lol, okay there) because you don’t have the game to compete here is about as impressive as joining a kid’s basketball league because you can’t compete with the adults. It’s cool that you’re scoring points and all, but letting that delude to into pretending you’re on Michael Jordan’s level is laughable.


YaReally
on October 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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@Joseph

From your laid back, unreactive, relaxed response I am certain that accepting your share of the disease-ridden herpes harpies is not a significant threat since your share is approximately 0.

It’s cool man, when I’m budgeting I convince myself the NoName brand of ketchup is as good as Heinz too. I just wouldn’t brag about it to people lol


Comment Of The Week: One-Way Judgment

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NG85
on October 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm
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I’d also like to comment on this line: “She can judge reject men as she chooses, but men are not free to reject/judge her or her choices, ever.”

This is so true, and is the basis for so much female behavior. I’m assuming this is why things like rejection and dread game make women want you even MORE. Since they hate to be rejected, judged, kicked aside, etc., they’ll work harder to prove that they’re worthy.

How many of you have actually been the one to break up with a girl? In my entire life I haven’t been able to, the girls have always initiated it. I’ve been in a FWB situation for about 6 months now, and she’s been getting too clingy, so recently we had a talk and I told her I wanted to end things. She’s still in the picture, though, and refuses to leave. She’s doing anything she can to meet my approval so that I don’t reject her. But I guarantee that if she’s the one to end things, she’ll be onto the next guy with no qualms and no remorse or sadness.

I’ve found a good bit of game to use at bars is to talk to a girl or dance with her, then just turn around and go to the bathroom or get another drink without telling her anything. Sometimes she’ll follow, other times she’ll jump at you the next time she sees you. Last night I was dancing with a girl who seemed kind of into it, but not fully. I stepped in front of her, put my drink down on a table next to her, and walked away. She immediately grabbed my arm and pulled me back, and soon we were bumping and grinding. If I hadn’t done that she probably would’ve vamoosed a lot sooner.


  • Simon Corso
    on October 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm
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    What you’re talking about in the bars/clubs is Push/Pull basics. I recommned talking to other girls when you step away.

    Dumping a girl is the most effective DHV that exists outside of being George Clooney. It says ” I don’t need you. ” If you think for one second that you’re losing hand or you begin to feel that that she’s losing interest in a relationship. Then it’s time for ” I think we should see other people. ” Do not hesitate and do not retract.

    You can, of course, lose her this way, but if you’re losing hand or attraction it’s better to cut your losses on your own terms. With experience you’ll learn to judge and calibrate this. If it works, then you’ve spun the hamster well enough to reap rewards. If it doesn’t then it’s always better to be the dumper than the dumpee.


    • YaReally
      on October 9, 2012 at 5:23 am
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      As I like to mention, Tyler Durden used to keep his casual fuckbuddies loyal to him while he was off traveling by breaking up with them right before leaving. I don’t think he’d even tell them he was traveling, just start a fight, break it off, and go off the grid. I don’t remember exactly though.

      It kept the hamster spinning till he got back. For a demonstration of this effect, there’s this classic video lol:



Dr. Jeremy
on October 9, 2012 at 1:12 am
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Dear Heartiste and Fellow Readers,

Perhaps you can help me understand something. I have been reading your site and the Manosphere in general for quite a while. During that time, I’ve seen many analyses of female behavior like your anchorwoman story above. That female behavior is often explained as coming from hypocrisy, desire for unilateral freedom, wanting to be free from judgment, solipsism, wanting to be the chooser/rejecter, looking for unconditional acceptance, rationalization, vilifying and bullying men, emotionality, lack of reason, “hamsters”, “screeching”, etc.

Although these explanations are colorful and pleasing for frustrated men, I believe they are missing the ultimate point. All of these female behaviors are not simply the result of craziness or hamsters. Rather, they are tools for power and control. Few, if any, discussions seem to illustrate that though.

Why do the analyses and comments stop before that ultimate explanation? Why do men stop with these “surface” level explanations, before realizing it all boils down to women wanting to gain power and control over every situation at all times? Why do we get stuck talking about rationalization hamsters and female solipsism, when the real issue is a power struggle for women’s dominance and control over the hearts and minds of men? That is the single, unifying goal of all of these seemingly crazy and illogical female actions.

Feminism doesn’t trifle itself with these petty distinctions. Women are firmly focused on the underlying dynamics of power and control. For example, while most of the guys above are busy cracking jokes, the women above are attempting to subvert the discussion and take control of the thread.

Particularly, Nicole above, at comment # 374294, says, “About bullying, well…I’m a firm believer in might makes right. You have the right to talk shit to and about me, but I have the same right to use whatever means within my power to make you regret it. One should be careful when they fire a shot, as it gives away their position.”

That isn’t just shaming, hamster-ing, or screeching guys. Please take note. That is a focus on who is more powerful, dominant, and in control. She isn’t looking for approval. She is positioning to attempt to get obedience and compliance.

Later, Renee too tries to diffuse and reorient the thread. She is initially soothing and persuasive. She says “Lets be honest, we all have judged someone on their fatness before, usually behind someone’s back. But seriously, I just don’t agree that simply being fat is a character defect. I just don’t base someone’s entire character on that person’s size. There’s more to them than that.”

That isn’t just “framing”. That isn’t just female solipsism. Dismissing it as “female emotionality” misses the very important point. That is an attempt to control the discussion, dialogue, and opinion of others. It is a bid for power. So are “fitness tests”, tantrums, and every other bit of female behavior under discussion on here.

Overall, I’m just confused. I’m sitting here scratching my head, watching guys make jokes and worry about getting laid with thin women, when women are focusing on a much bigger picture. I’m wondering why guys don’t seem to see it, even when it is right under their noses in this very discussion thread. Bravo for taking the “red pill”. Bravo for not falling into some of these traps and getting laid now and again. But, many guys still seem to be blind to the larger power dynamic going on here – the struggle for overall control. Being Alpha and getting laid is only a byproduct of that overall control and power. So, why are we not talking about it that way?

The women certainly are…


  • Adam
    on October 9, 2012 at 4:08 pm
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    Women will always want control. We will always continue to not take them seriously.


    • Dr. YaReally
      on October 11, 2012 at 10:18 pm
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      That should be the end of discussion, quite frankly. Dr. J is attributing way more power and influence to women than we do. It’s okay Dr. J, a dog can get riled up but we don’t avoid making them housepets.


  • Hugh G. Rection
    on October 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm
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    And I totally fell for that shit. Debating women like I would debate men. It’s pointless. The righter you are the earlier she will try to escalate it into the personal, open other fronts and make you be wrong by responding to the bait.


    • Nicole
      on October 10, 2012 at 6:52 am
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      No, what you fell for was the very same common, modern butt-hurtism that you’re accusing the anchorwoman of. This is not a debate. This is a pointing out your hypocrisy smackdown.

      If you insist that you have the right to assert whatever social or physical power you have over others, then you should respect the fact that if you don’t kill the people in the process, they could someday gain more power than you and, give you some payback. You should also look at history and understand that revolution is seldom clean. It’s also usually a shift from getting fucked with no lubricant to leaders who just use more lubricant. Eventually they don’t even bother with that.

      People who have been put down in their past naturally either stay down or become monsters themselves. It’s very rare for someone to have the strength to be balanced, and in those cases, balance is usually a strategy, not a moral thing. This is just how life works. Shit on people, and they’re going to want to pay you back by whatever means are at their disposal.

      I think it’s hypocritical for guys in the habit of talking shit about people, get butthurt when someone gives them a return…not even violence for speech, but speech for speech. It’s just as hypocritical as someone sanctimoniously berating someone for being sanctimonious. Crabs in the same bucket.

      I don’t get too deeply into the moral side of it in conversations here because, as I said before, there is no such thing as morality or honor for at least 99% of people. Fear is the only language you understand. What you experience as morality is actually just fear of being ostracized and/or loss of resources and access as a result. You don’t honestly have an idea of fairness. You would eat, and many of you do brutally beat and exploit your young for the sake of fitting into whatever branch of the herd you’re blindly following.

      So I’m just keeping it about the facts. By and large, might makes right, and only the mighty can be truly righteous. Only those who have true power can choose to be moral or truly show kindness, and everybody else is just capitulating from fear.

      Since men are generally a tad less socially dependent, you’re more likely to get that, so instead of being angry with me for breaking it down for you, you should be happy someone even bothered to notify you when you’re being tooled.


      • Dr. YaReally
        on October 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm
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        lol you think you’re making some kind of huge threats and Braveheart speeches around here but seriously, nobody cares what you think. Just being a woman, we know automatically to put your comments in the “roll our eyes” category. And most of us would laugh if a man tried to get all “pay you back with whatever means are at my disposal” e-badass, let alone a woman doing it.

        Seriously, LiveJournal, think about it.


  • Dr. YaReally
    on October 11, 2012 at 10:16 pm
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    Dear Dr. Jeremy

    “Rather, they are tools for power and control.”

    Women don’t really want power and control. They think they do, and feminism tells them they do, until they actually GET it, and then they don’t know what to do with it and hope someone comes along to take the reins from them.

    “Why do men stop with these “surface” level explanations, before realizing it all boils down to women wanting to gain power and control over every situation at all times?”

    The same reason Chess players don’t waste time discussing how their oppenent’s moves all boil down to their opponent wanting to gain power and control over every situation at all times. It’s like, duh, we know. The back and forth is what the game IS.

    Basically it’s unproductive mental masturbation. I’m going to go out on a limb (not really) and guess you don’t go out and cold approach girls, and are instead happier discussing theory about social/sexual dynamics on message boards.

    “For example, while most of the guys above are busy cracking jokes, the women above are attempting to subvert the discussion and take control of the thread.”

    Yes, that’s what women do. We all know it and we don’t pay it any real mind. It’s like you’re saying “But the 5 year old tugging at your pant leg is trying to get you to do something for him! WE MUST STOP THIS!! Why is no one discussing this?!?!! You blind fools!!”

    It’s just not relevant.

    “She is positioning to attempt to get obedience and compliance.”

    And how has that worked out for her so far? Nobody gives a shit about Nicole threatening us lol

    “That is an attempt to control the discussion, dialogue, and opinion of others.”

    Again, how’s that working out? Any better than the 5yo demanding to eat cookies for supper in an attempt to control her father?

    “So are “fitness tests””

    You can say “shit-tests”, we’re all adults here, there’s no PC-police here.

    “Overall, I’m just confused.”

    No you’re not. You’re trying to instigate a fight that isn’t there. What happened to this shit you posted at hookingupsmart:

    “Finally…the frames of “war” and “battle of the sexes” is also one of those pesky socially normed beliefs that this article is about! Ask yourself…how true is it? Is EVERYONE really fighting for a one-sided win?”

    Over there you’re saying you don’t believe in a war, and here you’re trying to goad us into starting one.

    You’re more interested in an “intellectual” debate about psychology than what’s relevant/applicable in actual male/female interactions. We’re looking at “what can I start applying in my life, right now, to improve my interactions with women?”. Giving any real substance to the male/female power struggle that is obviously going on is a waste of effort and fosters a negative headspace that’s ultimately unproductive.

    There’s no war, it’s not a battle. It’s just a game.


    • Dr. Jeremy
      on October 12, 2012 at 5:12 am
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      Thanks you for your response…

      As I explained much better in my comment above to Chris, I am looking for a balance of power…not war. At least for me, sometimes that means knowing the other person has conscious or unconscious tendencies to control that must be addressed. Sometimes that means social power is unequal and might benefit from redirection. But, that doesn’t necessarily mean that re-balancing has to be done in a mean or hateful manner. Amused Mastery, as I believe Rollo phrases it, is a good example of taking control and balancing power, without a war mentality.

      Therefore, it was not my intention to be contradictory to my previous statements or instigating to others, although it regrettably seemed to come across that way. I was just a bit puzzled and frustrated at what I thought were really unbalanced interactions and guys getting tooled. After your response (and others above), I think that I mistook such amused mastery and non-reactivity for lack of awareness. Now I know. Personally, I tend to be less lenient and jovial about disrespectful and challenging behavior – more HOH/TIH, less PUA/Gamer, so to speak. So, I jump to “correction”, rather than joking, downplaying, or devaluing.

      I was honestly confused though. I was looking for discussion to try to understand. Where I am coming from is just very different. As I write in my own blog, my mind tends to start with theory and move to application. In this case, I start with the theoretical notion that this is a “power dynamic”, see how others are being persuasive or controlling, and work to correct that. I thought such an over-arching perspective might be helpful to others too. But, it sounds like I might be getting a bit too academic for the goals here, or stating the obvious that goes in the “duh” column. No problem. I will leave that stuff for my own writing or private discussion for anyone who cares.

      As for my preferences… I enjoy both interacting with women and intellectual discussion. I have just started to indulge discussion on comments and boards recently, because I do tend to get sucked into talking. But, I have been following game since my divorce in 2005 and logged my time meeting women. I don’t consider myself a hardcore player, because I tend to prefer managing LTRs and have a steady primary. Nevertheless, I do have enough real-life experience to be more than just a keyboard jockey.

      Given all that, when I’m on here, I will stick to discussing practical application. Now I know the audience and I’m not confused. Thanks again Dr. Ya :)


      • YaReally
        on October 18, 2012 at 4:44 am
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        “After your response (and others above), I think that I mistook such amused mastery and non-reactivity for lack of awareness. Now I know.”

        It’s cool, it probably comes across that way. In the wild, the jackals think the lion ignoring their nipping at him to laze in the sun is a pushover…they don’t realize he’s aware of what’s going on, he just doesn’t give a fuck. At a blog where people are just taking the red pill VS a blog where a lot of guys are already years into having taken it, you’d probably find more of what you were expecting.

        “Personally, I tend to be less lenient and jovial about disrespectful and challenging behavior – more HOH/TIH, less PUA/Gamer, so to speak. So, I jump to “correction”, rather than joking, downplaying, or devaluing.”

        As a guy who likes mental gymnastics, consider this: Why don’t you tolerate disrespect from people you don’t necessarily know well (ie – women you’ve just met or people who aren’t extremely close to you)? What’s the reason that it bothers you that someone who is, for all intents and purposes, insignificant in your life, disrespecting or embarrassing you? You can extrapolate this to other guys tooling you and trying to pick a fight or embarrass you as well. Why do you tend to react like Marty McFly (“Chicken?? Did you just call me CHICKEN??”) VS being unreactive?

        Generally it has to do with your ego (not the cocky one, but the “sense of identity” type one) and seeking external validation to determine your self worth. ie – “someone disrespected me, I must make them respect me because they clearly don’t think I’m worth respecting and that affects my feelings of self-worth and challenges my view of myself”

        A large part of internal game in PUA is based around basing your worth on internal validation. ie – the whole world can think I’m a loser, but I know I’m awesome and their opinion doesn’t matter to me (unless they’re someone who I hold in extremely high regard like a close friend, of course). This is why when a girl tries to gain power or shit-tests or another man tries to pick a fight, someone who’s internally validated brushes it off. They know what’s going on, but they attribute no value/power whatsoever to the other person so it becomes as insignificant as a 5yo calling you a “poo poo head”. It’s cute and worth a chuckle at best.

        Here’s a video you might find interesting, especially as you start to participate in discussions where you will inevitably run into people who do and don’t like what you say:

        (skip to 8:40, 13:25 is a good point too as well, stick it through to the end of the video, the whole thing is great really)


        • Dr. Jeremy
          on October 18, 2012 at 3:14 pm
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          Good points. Thanks again. Frankly, “lean to pick your battles” is something I’m still fine-tuning.

          Clearly, dialing it back with internet trolls is important. On the other hand, there are real social, political, and interpersonal issues going on here. So, at what point do men cease to be amused lions, ignoring nips they can tolerate…and become unaware and inactive lions, ignoring slowly being nipped to death? Having high self-esteem and not being reactive is one thing, but being delusional with an over-inflated ego that you cannot be hurt is another.

          Granted, being reactive to every little thing is not cool. But, not knowing when it is time to react isn’t either. It is like boiling a frog…if you turn the heat up slow, they won’t jump out of the pot. The change is small, they can handle and adapt to it, they ignore it, get used to it, and don’t react. Until, they boil.

          I don’t want to jump at every little change in the water…but I also don’t want to be so non-reactive that I get boiled alive. I lean too much toward the first – but I wonder whether some other guys here do lean too much to the second. At some point, moving to take greater action is necessary. If not now, when do we get to that point?


          • YaReally'sEgo
            on October 19, 2012 at 5:00 am
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            ““lean to pick your battles” is something I’m still fine-tuning.”

            You’ll never survive the Internet without it lol It actually related to pick-up in a way. One of my Natural buddies and I have a saying that we remind eachother of when we’re txting girls “You don’t have to respond to EVERY text.”

            “On the other hand, there are real social, political, and interpersonal issues going on here.”

            That’s the equivalent of the guy who gets into a fight at a bar because in the moment he feels like there’s a very real slight to his “honor” going on and he has to step up to “be a man”. The reality is that fight is retarded and what it’s over is insignificant in the long-run but in the moment the man is giving it way more value than it deserves.

            This is just an Internet blog, 90% of the guys on here don’t go out, half the women on here are dudes, and the only people who read this blog are people who are already receptive to its’ ideas. No discussion we have here is going to end up on the front page of Jezebel with feminists rallying behind us going “That’s true, that’s a good point you guys!! We’re changing our thinking!”

            With that in mind, there’s just no point to doing mental gymnastics over “women want power!”. It’s a fun exercise, but it doesn’t really benefit anyone. It’s like me saying “Guys, why aren’t we discussing that the sky is BLUE??” I mean, we CAN, but it’s not relevant to our goals.

            “So, at what point do men cease to be amused lions, ignoring nips they can tolerate…and become unaware and inactive lions, ignoring slowly being nipped to death?”

            The day after the Honeymoon. lol

            I’d argue that there’s no reason the first lion HAS to become the next. Becoming inactive and slipping from active disinterest into apathy is a choice.

            If I had to define it, I’d say it’s when a man lets his ego/identity control him. The movie Revolver has a lot of good stuff on this, especially the apology scene and the elevator scene.

            You can watch both scenes here:

            Essentially what this is trying to convey is the way your ego/identity controls you and holds you back in life, and how the only way you can beat it is understand it exists and confront it.

            Do you WANT to punch someone right now? Are you a violent person? Do you REALLY want to risk a lawsuit, permanent injuries on your part or theirs, crippling someone or being crippled, becoming someone who gets into bar scraps, etc.? Is that who you are?

            Now what if I put someone in front of you who’s talking shit about you. They’re calling you fat, ugly, stupid. It’s some big guy at the bar. And you’ve been talking to this cute girl and he’s making fun of you in front of her and you feel like a total chump. You really like this girl and she’s looking at you like “aren’t you going to hit him??” and he’s challenging you and telling you to step outside and she’s looking at you with her beautiful eyes and you can TELL she’s thinking “come on, stand up for yourself, I’m losing attraction for you here…”

            What do you do? If you step outside and get into a fight you didn’t want to get into, you’re letting your ego/identity control you. You’re caving to social pressure. You’re not solid enough in your beliefs and personal code to stand by your decision. Maybe you tried, but it was “really hard” because everyone was looking at you waiting for you to step up. Where’s your pride, after all? So of COURSE you have to step up.

            We can extrapolate this to a lot of areas. Approach Anxiety. You want to approach, but your ego/identity convinces you not to (“you’ll get shot down…what if she says no…you’ll be so embarrassed…what if she has a boyfriend who’s going to kill you…you can approach later, go get a drink first…she’s talking to her friends…”) and you listen to it and don’t approach. You’re the frog slowly getting cooked in the water because every little decision like that cranks the temperature up a little bit more until eventually you’re living a life that you’re completely dissatisfied with.

            Do you drink? Say you don’t. Then someone offers you a drink. What do you do? They pressure you and pressure you and this cute girl you’re into pressures you and everyone is looking at you wanting to to participate in the fun. They’re holding the drink right in front of you. Do you take it? Which lion are you if you can overcome all that pressure and ignore it and stay on your path?

            Now the catch is some people WANT to fight. So by fighting, they’d actually be living in congruence. But in all these cases, you want to drill down into the elements as far as possible. What’s the motivation/cause/reason for them wanting to fight? Do they truly enjoy it, in a Bruce Lee way where he’s just someone who lives for fighting? Or does he fight because he can’t stand being called chicken and his identity is challenged if he’s not respected and he’s chasing that validation?

            Take that drilling down back to Approach Anxiety and not drinking. Do you have AA for a LEGIT reason? No, of course not. Unless like, you’re a black dude in a racist bar full of white people, maybe the AA is justified. But in the majority of the cases, the reasoning behind it is bullshit and driven by fear and ego protection. Why does the person not want to drink? Is it because they value their health and legitimately like to take care of their body so that not drinking is congruent to that? Or is it because they’d LIKE to join everyone but they’re scared to really let themselves go and risk making a fool of themselves in front of everyone so their ego is controlling them?

            “but being delusional with an over-inflated ego that you cannot be hurt is another.”

            What makes it delusional? People can only hurt you if you allow them to. There are poor people and disabled people and people who’ve been through seriously tough lives, who’ve come out on the other end to be positive productive role models. The difference between them and someone who wallows and stews in misery because the restaraunt messed their dinner order up with the wrong sauce, is that they have an optimistic up-beat confident attitude that they can overcome anything.

            “But, not knowing when it is time to react isn’t either.”

            You are the only person who defines when it’s time to react. No one should be able to define that for you. In fact, if you WANT to react to everyone who slights you, and then I tell you you shouldn’t, and you stop doing it, you’re letting me define your rules for you. But, I would recommend that you do some self-analysis and look at specifically WHY you feel the need to react and at exactly what point reacting is worth or not worth your time.

            I think the biggest problem men have today is that they don’t really know themselves. They don’t know their beliefs, their values, their morals, and they don’t have a personal code they stand by…and if they DO have any of those things, they throw them out the window at the first sign that following them will be “difficult”. As a society we’re not really encouraged to look at that stuff, because it’s better for society as a whole if we all just pick the same goals and follow the same rules.

            An entrepreneur will be told by everyone around him that he’s crazy and that he should give up and just get a job like everyone else. And a lot of them will do that. But some of them will believe in their goals and not let anyone sway them from their path.

            This also relates to game because part of why women shit-test a man is to see how strong his resolve is. Can she make him cave on his own values just because she has a pair of tits? If some silly little girl can control him like that (or get him to react when she disrespects him), how the fuck is he supposed to handle the rest of the WORLD if she gets into a relationship with him? He can’t even handle some little chick he just met at the bar. This is part of why women get more attracted when you pass a shit-test…she’s realizing “This is a man who will hold his ground and no one can make him deviate from his beliefs or his path.”

            “but I also don’t want to be so non-reactive that I get boiled alive.”

            Define being boiled alive. Seriously.

            Like exactly what is this great boiling that you’re afraid will happen to you? That you’ll get trapped in a sexless marriage? That you’ll get killed by someone? That society will ignore or reject you as a person?


          • YaReally
            on October 22, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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            I’d say the crossed wires here are that you may not be aware of our Soft/Hard Next concepts:

            http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/laying-down-the-law-on-attention-whores/#comment-371207

            We don’t completely ignore what’s going on, because like you say that leads to discipline problems. We just don’t react the way normal guys do.

            To run with the dog analogy, if the dog nips at you, your way is like yelling “NO!!!” and smacking it with a newspaper and getting yourself worked up over it. We simply pull a Dog Whisperer and sub-communicate “this is not behavior that will be tolerated” through claiming our space (metaphorically, in application this would be like saying “im not having this discussion.”, communicating who’s setting the rules) and withdrawing attention and rewarding good behavior.

            Give the stuff in the link above a read. You said you had read a bunch of game stuff so I figured you already knew about this kind of thing. The lion analogy was probably a bad example because a lion isn’t disciplining the jackals so that’s my bad. The concept of being unreactive is difficult to explain.

            The dog training analogy is much better. Often, reacting to the dog just gets it more riled up and when people pet it while its barking at the door as someone new enters the house that just teaches it that being in that state will get the reward of attention and petting. Whereas if you claim your space and dominate like you expect the dog to fall in line, and ignore its barking, it’ll calm down and then you can reward it in its calm state. The Dog Whisperer actually has a lot of good techniques for handling women, but don’t let feminists hear me say that lol

            Hope it’s more clear now. The reacting that you do when you scold them is actually the short-term solution…it teaches her “ooo I’m in trouble…but if I ever need his attention, this is how to get it!” Whereas Soft and Hard Next’ing are simply a withdrawal of attention which teaches her long-term “acting out causes him to withdraw completely, he has no fear of losing me, omg I’d better stop doing that because he must be able to go out and get another girl!”

            This is for actual relationships…like with males, a random guy talking shit you can ignore completely lion-style. But a male friend who crosses a boundary or behaves in a way you don’t tolerate, the hard/soft next works as well. A girl you don’t know who shit-tests you, ignore it and plow and assume she’ll love you. A girl you’re starting a relationship with, soft/hard next training comes into play.



YaReally
on October 9, 2012 at 5:41 am
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If not even having a 6-pack or ripped muscles, but just simply being a healthy level of thin and in shape and dressing/grooming myself well, meant that I would have a solid 20-30+ years of the prime of my life with the world bending over backwards to appease me and begging to give me anything I wanted, from people falling over themselves to go out of their way to do me favors, to skipping lines and fees and paying for anything, to being handed jobs/careers over my competition, to having women beg me to let them buy me shit and take me on vacations and spend all their money on me, and to basically have no restrictions of my behavior or consequences for my actions across the mass of society, and for all that I didn’t need to have money, get an education, work hard, have a career, or basically put any effort whatsoever into developing myself as a human being in any way because I’d still get all that stuff as long as I was fit and healthy …you can sure as shit bet I would drive past McDonald’s and make myself a healthy salad. Even more so if I had a thyroid problem.

That’s the sad part to me, is that women have basically ONE requirement to have the world at their feet. Good looking dudes get a break too now and then but it’s nowhere near the same scale as women (a guy would need to be an 11/10 for even half that shit, whereas a decent 8 or 9 chick gets it), and we have to excel in a bunch of categories (confidence, leadership, dominance, etc) to be attractive…whereas a chick with a decent body who knows how to dress and do her makeup can work at Wal-Mart and live with her parents and there’ll still be a lineup of guys chasing her.

If I had a daughter, I’d find some good way to convey this concept to her without triggering an eating disorder. Hell, just not taking her to McDonald’s every week might be enough lol



Terry ♥’s Gene

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YaReally
on October 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
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1) I use some Gene quotes to frame my open relationships with women. The dude is speaking gold.

2) alpha guys are often hard to interview because interviews are usually bullshit and interviewers are usually putting on their own schtick (like gene said “why are you suddenly talking to me like that?”)

Try watching an interview with Marlon Brando sometime haha they’re super hard to get thru and so awkward and painful. But it’s a result of what I just said. there’s a great one where he tells the interviewer that the interviewer is an actor just like he is, and the role of interviewer IS his act. It’s all true and interesting from a psychology perspective but makes for a drag of an interview haha


Reader F’in Mailbag!

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Paul Gay
on October 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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Fatty news anchor goes off the rails after viewer email:

http://video.news8000.com/watch.php?id=36335



How To Remain Unflustered Like An Alpha Male

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Joe Sixpack
on October 3, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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How to Remain Aloof and Unflustered Around Chicks in Two Easy Steps:

1. Read this poll and the accompanying comments. (I mean, really read them and let this raw data from anonymous women sink deep into your brain):

“Ladies, how many men have you slept with?”

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fort-myers-fl/TN4JM9BRK3J7ALRIN

2. Remind yourself of this poll before initiating contact with every woman you talk to. If you’re interested in a relationship, consider her sexual demands and propensity for variety and cheating risk. And if you want a short-term fling, consider the high probability of her having one or more STDs.

Notice how her appeal and draw has diminished. Oddly, the hotter the chick the more aloof you can remain due to her statistically-given numbers count.


  • YaReally
    on October 3, 2012 at 11:04 pm
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    lol someone post this at hookingupsmart, Aunt Sue’s current article is about how hooking up really isn’t as common as the Manosphere would have you believe and most women are all virgin saints lol

    Would love to see how her hamster spins out of this one in the comment section.

    I’d post it but she deletes everything I write lol



A Reply To A Common Shit Test

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Backdoor Man
on October 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm
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Let’s not ignore the fact that height is huge advantage. A tall guy, even an ugly tall guy, will get women’s attention more easily than a good-looking short guy. Being short isn’t a deal breaker if you can get an audience, but height is the single most important physical characteristic that women look for.


  • YaReally
    on October 3, 2012 at 1:36 am
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    Also she’s obviously a paid actress. And a low self-esteem slut who was going to bang 10 other guys in the bathroom of that bar that night. Game only works on low self-esteem sluts, it wouldn’t work on a REAL woman. Also the whole video is obviously fake. Also Mystery is a celebrity who had a TV show so that’s why she liked him. Also he’s white and this would never work if he was any other height or race on any girl. Also he’s rich from teaching so she only liked him because he’s rich, you have to have money to get girls.

    Game doesn’t really work! This is all lies!!!


    • NiteLily
      on October 3, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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      I don’t know if the video is fake or real, and I don’t know if all or part of these elements you mentioned played a role. I’m inclined to believe they did. Therefore, you can’t say game doesn’t work. It works in certain instances, not all. It boils down to the guy having something to offer – looks, money, power, fame, etc. Most men don’t have fame, power, or money, but at least if they have some looks it can seal the deal. You don’t have to be very handsome, but you do have to look masculine and emit it. Most women are not looking for a pretty boy; they’re looking for masculine. I am amazed at some men thinking that women should fall hand over foot for them just because they are men and any woman that doesn’t is too judgmental, irrational, materialistic, or not feminine enough.

      Please evaluate yourselves fairly; ask if you had a daughter would you want her going after a guy with nothing to offer? I doubt it. Even a good-looking guy with nothing more to offer wouldn’t be the man you’d want for her.

      True; this kind of action works mostly on low-esteem sluts, but at least if the guy is masculine and Alpha, he has something to work with to entice that slut. But I know it wouldn’t work on me. I stay away from casual sex so I wouldn’t take this past some flirtation with him, which is fun to play, but will never end up going home with him.

      So yes, if you have nothing to offer but your masculinity, and there is a low-self-esteem slut around, there is a high chance you’d score. No brainer!


      • corvinus
        on October 3, 2012 at 10:26 pm
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        I’m pretty sure YaR was being sarcastic.


        • YaReally
          on October 3, 2012 at 11:26 pm
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          Just saving retards time, I mean those are most of the responses a video like that will get from guys who suck at game, are anti-game, and women after all.



Opus
on October 3, 2012 at 3:59 am
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Anyone have a good answer to the following, (when the two of you are hanging out together but she is playing hard to get) which I find both embarrasing and difficult to answer:

Her: What are you thinking?

and also in a most innocent voice

Her: Why are you touching me?


  • YaReally
    on October 3, 2012 at 4:11 am
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    Her: “What are you thinking?”

    “I’m thinking about the last girl I dumped for asking me shit like that all the time.”

    Her: “Why are you touching me?”

    “Well I was going to just slap you across the face with my cock, but I figured putting my arm around you would go over better…for now.”


  • Lara
    on October 3, 2012 at 8:19 am
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    “What are you thinking?”- Some random reply, I think CH once said, “a ham sandwich”

    “Why are you touching me?”- “Why, don’t you like it?” If she says “no”, stop touching her.


    • YaReally
      on October 3, 2012 at 11:28 pm
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      lol this is why guys shouldn’t listen to girls’ advice.



Steven
on October 3, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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As much as i respect Mystery, it surprises me how even after all of those years going out and doing his thing, that he still goes around running canned lines on girls. Surely, he should be a natural by now.

[heartiste: why fix it if it isn't broken?]

I’ve been doing this for 5 years and i figured out within the first 3 years that it’s all about learning the dynamics of being a dominant man. A man is above woman (Masculine) and a woman is below (Feminine).

[true dat.]

The higher perceived value a woman thinks she has, the more you need to make her realise that you’re better than her as a man. So this means, being an authority, leading, putting her in her place, teasing, having a strong frame and being aloof.

[women will never get this. they are constitutionally incapable of getting this.]

You develop this with experience without having to say anything.

[i suspect mystery leans on canned material for his filmed pickups as a graspable learning tool for newbs. in his private pickups, i bet he's lower key and relies more on body language and ad libbing.]


  • YaReally
    on October 3, 2012 at 11:35 pm
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    “[i suspect mystery leans on canned material for his filmed pickups as a graspable learning tool for newbs. in his private pickups, i bet he's lower key and relies more on body language and ad libbing.]”

    This is the case for most pro PUA instructors. Cajun admitted the same thing about his Keys to the VIP appearance…he was there to demonstrate/advertise the LoveSystems curriculum not just get laid.

    Instructors will still follow the system/concepts but they go out multiple nights a week all year long, they’ve developed their own personalized material. The RSD guys, especially Tyler, are actually pretty good about discussing their latest personal techniques that they’re messing with. Tyler gets excited enough to talk about them while he’s still testing them lol like when he spent some time attempting to go from meet to makeout/lay without saying any words at all. That’s not something you can teach a hardcore awkward nervous newbie. Try it sometime if you’re intermediate/advanced though.



Penis Size Around The World

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YaReally
on October 2, 2012 at 6:09 pm
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Know how I know you guys are gay? You discuss men’s penises all day.

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/size-matters/#comment-10012



Cat Patrol
on October 2, 2012 at 6:10 pm
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The average penis is six inches long. The average vagina is nine inches deep. Do you know what that means?…..

……It means there’s miles and miles of unused pussy out walking around!


  • Greg Eliot
    on October 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm
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    Joke’s already been told, up above.


    • YaReally
      on October 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm
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      “Joke’s already been stolen, up above.”

      Fixed for you. But that’s a good movie.



Anon
on October 2, 2012 at 6:18 pm
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OT

Motivational pickup by Mystery

http://askmystery.com/2012/05/09/best-pickup-captured-on-camera/

Gets interesting at 4:20.


  • YaReally
    on October 2, 2012 at 7:10 pm
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    Elbows too pointy. 2/10, would not bang.

    Besides, she SAID she talked to him because he’s tall! So that proves that you have to be tall to get laid. Game is a myth.



The Dude
on October 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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I do like Jack LaLanne’s thoughts on how to get your penis longer.

“If you lose a couple of inches off your stomach, your business down there will look an inch longer.”


  • YaReally
    on October 2, 2012 at 8:45 pm
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    Jack LaLanne is a badass.



The Dark Romance Genre

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Holden Caulfield
on October 1, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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Stupid feminists don’t understand why men value sex with virgins. bit.ly/SaA8Qw Hint: it’s the youth and the guarantee of paternity.

I agree with 100% with Heartiste’s interpretation. It adds up to feminists (who typically excuse slutty behavior and fatness) not liking that the virgins have higher sexual market value.


  • Anon
    on October 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm
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    It’s not sex that is valued with virgins, it’s marriage.

    [heartiste: it's both, which is why virgins can command such high prices on the open sexual market. sex with a virgin is extra exciting to men, all else equal, and not just because virgins are typically younger hotter tighter than non-virgins. the thought of deflowering a woman and being her first sends a blast of lust through a man. and marriage to a virgin means she will be less likely to stray, and more likely to bond to you.]


    • Anon
      on October 1, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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      I balked on fucking a virgin once, because I had no intention to stay with her, and her virginity didn’t excite me. It stirred a bonding feeling and a desire to protect her, but nothing purely sexual. Maybe I’m an outlier but I don’t really recognize myself in what you just wrote. Concerning the virginity for sale, I think it’s a good thing, the girl came out as the real whore that she really is, and the guy will realize a fantasy.
      But I really believe that virgins should be approached or courted with honourable intentions. There are many sluts out there to play around with.

      But since my belief seems to be in the minority, I may have to reconsider. If players really like to deflower virgins for fun, I don’t want to be the white knight with high morals. Feels like being a cuckold.


      • Anon
        on October 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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        Before YaReally comes crawling out of the woodwork slamming my delusions about virgins, and my “madonna-whore complex” (which is a feminist expression btw), and laughing about my desire to protect and bond with a virgin, I feel like I have to emphasize that I don’t believe that virgins are fundamentally different from other women, and that preferring a virgin for LTR or marriage is not a whim of “keyboard jockey armchair theorist MGTOW MRAs who don’t know how to pickup girls” lol

        A desire to bond and protect can lead to beta oneitis, but only for a bluepill chump. A virgin must be led, tamed, and feel dread, like any other girl.

        That used to be common sense, but I don’t expect a leftie PUA like Yareally to understand common sense, except if it was broken down by tyler durden on RSD.


        • YaReally
          on October 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm
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          lol I don’t fuck virgins anymore. Mostly for selfish reasons, they get clingy and they don’t know what they’re doing in bed and I hate having to teach them, etc.

          But they’re also generally looking for more than I’m offering (ie – an LTR) and part of my personal code is that I don’t like to lie to get girls, so I don’t have an interest in pretending to be into a relationship just to get in her pants because then I’m that guy that sends her down the cock carousel path by fucking with her head/heart early on in their sex-lives. I may think their notions of what love/sex is are retarded, but I can respect that to them their beliefs are important and are integrated into their identity. It’s like a bomb with a ton of extra wires…I can still diffuse it, but there’s more risk of blowing it up and doing serious long-term damage and I prefer not to mess with that these days.

          So believe it or not I actually partly agree with you. Your reasoning behind it is just way gayer and full of fanciful white knightery (bonding/protecting) than mine, is all.

          Also every slut was a virgin at some point. Virginity isn’t some magical thing bestowed only on the righteous good girls. That’s the main reason it’s silly to think they’re different. It’s a crap-shoot which girls are going to have sex and go “eh it’s okay I want to stick to this one man though” and which ones will go “holy shit that’s awesome, now I want to explore it more with other men”. I’d rather find out which type she is before investing in her lol


          • YaReally
            on October 3, 2012 at 8:10 pm
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            Wanting a virgin because you think it means she’s less likely to leave you is a sign of low self-esteem, insecurity, low-value, scarcity mentality, and a Madonna/whore complex.

            If you’re awesome, your girl won’t stray. A paper alpha needs to stack the odds in his favor, a real one will defy any odds stacked against him.


    • Justin gaged
      on October 1, 2012 at 3:41 pm
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      Well, i guess I’m extremely lucky to be a virgin engaged to a virgin.


      • Anon
        on October 1, 2012 at 3:57 pm
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        You’re luckier to have found this blog before marriage.
        Read something about how to properly fuck a girl, there’s a ton of awesome stuff out there to make up for your lack of experience.


        • Kristen
          on October 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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          LOL :D I don’t think he needs to read anything. Is it so difficult to have sex?

          [heartiste: if you read women's glam mags, sex is apparently very difficult for men to get right.]

          He just needs to be what he is and I think everything will be very nice.

          [famous last words.]

          I’m happy for you Justin gaged :)

          [you're easily uplifted.]


          • YaReally
            on October 1, 2012 at 6:05 pm
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            “Sex God Method is an interesting read for that purpose. But this “you have to be selfish in bed all the time, who cares what the bitch needs” meme needs to die a horrible death.”

            I agree completely. Yes, there are times to not give a fuck what she wants (part of the Sex God method is mixing it up with some of that I believe). But blowing a girl’s mind in bed is a combo of physical stuff (A-Spot, Deep Spot, and go watch squirting101 and listen to the instructions the guy in charge is describing for how to do it) and mental stuff (I get girls off via sexting all the time, and make them send me pics, vids, etc. of them doing the stuff I’m telling them to do, often at work because that’s funny to me lol).

            If you’re a virgin with a virgin, you don’t HAVE to learn this stuff, your chick won’t know if you suck or not. But 1) it’s fucking fun lol and 2) it’d still be wise to take an interest in it because as an evil dark triady PUA, there’ve been a lot of women who, if their man had been better in bed, wouldn’t have needed to fuck a guy like me behind their man’s back.


    • Kristen
      on October 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm
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      “the thought of deflowering a woman and being her first sends a blast of lust through a man.”

      I asked a similar question before but anyway …

      [heartiste: if you asked before and got an answer... why are you asking again? hoping for a different answer more congenial to your mental state?]

      Does this work even when a “girl” is 30 or 40 years old or only when she’s young?

      [youthnbeauty is a prerequisite.]

      I mean, I can understand that it’s sexy to be a 18 year old virgin but is it still sexy when she’s 35?

      [it's weird. but i suppose it's more of a turn-on than banging a 35 year old with forty cockas under her belt. so you've got that going for you.]


      • YaReally
        on October 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm
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        Been with an older virgin (late 20s). She had a near-rape experience young and it took a while to help her work through her fear of intimacy/men. Personally I think it generally means they’re damaged or have baggage of some kind…sex is a fun, healthy, exciting thing. I would think it was weird if someone told me they had never eaten a hamburger before or played a card game. It’s just strange and tells me we have extremely opposite views on sex and while I wish them the best of luck, I’m not going to waste my time on them.



Anon
on October 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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everyone should have a chick thats down for ANYTHING in their life
its scary its fucking crazy its fucking insane but it is good

just got done fucking her in the ass shit all over dick and she doesn’t care and still sucking that shit off saying nothing about it and in the moment in the heat and loving it.
i guess true about passion reducing the disgust reflex cause with the passion intensity at 10 there is no disgust reflex about anything and anything you want to do is ok no matter how off the fucking wall it is or that it goes against some norm or standard you are the setting the standard everything you want to do is ok.


  • YaReally
    on October 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm
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    Welcome to my world. lol



Ian Ironwood
on October 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm
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Anyone seriously contemplating writing a “Dark Romance” and wants to take a swing at it is invited to submit it to me at ian dot ironwood at gmail dot com, because I’m now the editor of Adam & Eve E-Press, an experimental on-line publisher. Since 50 Shades has pretty much boosted our business by 30% this year, you could say we’re interested, although terms would be negotiable. Probably nothing up front, but being able to leverage a huge customer base of masturbating women ought to have a bit of allure for aspiring writers.

A quick note: Even “Dark Romance” has the same essential elements of any romance: Uber-Alpha lead who is hopelessly misunderstood but rich and powerful; the woman who falls for him, usually after fighting with him for half the book; and the thing has to end with a HEA, or it won’t sell. Just sayin’.

So what can y’all offer in terms of a Red Pill romance?


  • YaReally
    on October 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm
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    I’m considering this, partly because 50 Shades exposed a mainstream market that might actually make the time investment financially worth it, and party because it would be an interesting social experiment to me as a PUA…as in would a story that follows the rules of seduction that I’m well-acquainted with hit that sweet spot with women on a larger scale?

    I actually write a lot of micro-length erotic stories when I’m sexting girls to give them something to imagine while they get off, and girls have been fans haha…but I haven’t written anything novel-length before and I’m not sure I could keep it going for 500+ pages.

    I’ll save your E-Mail address though, it’s going to be winter soon and I’ll have a lot more free time being cooped up indoors.



AD
on October 1, 2012 at 6:04 pm
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Any comments about this article?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2012/09/25/why_are_women_so_negative_about_the_pickup_artist_community_.html

“Why Are Women So Negative About the “Pickup Artist” Community?”


  • Adam
    on October 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm
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    Just a little female ranting. No comment is needed if you live by the mantra of “watch what they do, not what they say”.


    • YaReally
      on October 1, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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      Golly. A woman who’s an expert at game because she read The Game, who doesn’t understand female attraction, has no cites backing up anything she says that contradicts experiences guys are having every day of our lives, who picks and chooses the most controversial aspects of PUA to focus on in her article followed by “ewwws” and “I would never like that if someone did it to me”s, who has no idea what being an awkward nerdy guy who’s been a hopeless unwanted virgin for 25 years is like, and who expects a seminar to instant unwire and fix guys with 25 years of bad wiring and hang-ups so that god forbid they accidentally make a girl feel uncomfortable at a bar now and then as they learn how to socialize and interact with other human beings so they don’t commit suicide or go on a shooting spree.

      Never seen THIS before. This author is really breaking some new ground!!!!



prj3ctm4yh3m
on October 1, 2012 at 10:59 pm
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OT: if youre gonna propose; this is probably the way to do it.
like a boss.


  • King A (Matthew King)
    on October 2, 2012 at 12:45 pm
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    Talk about putting her on a rollercoaster. I’m sure there is a PUA term for this, whipping a girl around from one emotional extreme to another. Piloting is alpha X 10, I know this. (Just stay within yourself, fly during daytime, and don’t superalpha your bitches into the briny deep, JFK, Jr.)

    But the best part of that little production was the punny title, “In Descent Proposal.” Fuck that pilot noize, dude should be a headline writer.


    • YaReally
      on October 2, 2012 at 6:45 pm
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      “I’m sure there is a PUA term for this, whipping a girl around from one emotional extreme to another.”

      We call it “giving her the full range of emotions”: